Why is China being attacked for these toys

[malaise]

when it is US companies who made these arrangements with them (for loads of profits) and it is those companies and the relevant Federal Agency who did not check these toys?

Isn't this the same as the food problems? Isn't the issue the lack of consumer protection from Bushco and the corporations.

[Kagemusha]

1. Ah, did you read that article on it being the importer's responsibility?

And how, to save costs, importers aren't doing their own batch testing but are having the suppliers do it themselves, which is a massive and obvious conflict of interest?

I wouldn't trust US suppliers doing their own batch testing, either. It's not personal to the Chinese, as I see it. The process is simply begging for abuse.

Edit: Here it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2953626

[malaise]

3. Thanks for that n/t

[live love laugh]

2. All of a sudden China is the cause of all world ills. You'd think we were about to attack them

or something. :tinfoilhat:

[malaise]

12. I've maintained from day one that the US

is not going to repay all that China debt. Enjoy the ride.

[Breeze54]

4. Umm, well, maybe the pet food poisoning and now children has riled people up?

Seems reasonable to me! I mean, they knew and so did the companies,

that the toys were toxic. How could they have not known?

The Chinese aren't dummies and neither is Mattel, Fisher Price et all.

To me that means out right flagrant criminal behavior for $$$$$$!!

That pisses me off. That kind of shit always pisses me off.

[Buzz Clik]

5. More to the point...

... we continue to buy total shit that the Chinese supply us.

Fool me once, shame on ... fool me .... Goddam Chinese foolers.

[malaise]

6. And here is the reason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1587989

[ClassWarrior]

8. And you gotta figure if a supplier's a crook who's gonna screw the labor...

...he or she's gonna screw you too.

NGU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Part Of It Is They Are Flooding The Market With Questionable Goods And

And some of it good old xenophobia...

[malaise]

10. So who exactly is importing all these Chinese goods

if not US corporations?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. My Point Is That If These Products Were Coming From Britain Or Canada There Would Be A Lot Less

Complaints...

In the early 90's Japan was the bogeyman ... Now it's the Chinese...

[malaise]

14. True

I remember when our Chinese neighbour bought a Toyota way back in the 60s. My dad nearly had a heart attack.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I'm Trying To Figure Out Which Group Has The Most To Gain By Demonizing The Chinese

eom

[karlrschneider]

18. Who is demonizing them? They're the ones sending toxic shit here...

:eyes:

[karlrschneider]

16. Didn't you mean the early 60s? By the 90s Japanese cars were already

catching up with domestic products...

[napi21]

9. I blame this all on outsourcing & Shrub & Walmart!

If the toys were still made in the US, this wouldn't have happened!

If Shrub had not reduced the funding of all the regulatory agencies while encouraging more and more imports making it impossible for them to do their jobs, it wouldn't have happened.

If Walmart wasn't constantly badgering their suppliers to lower the prices, this wouldn't have happened!


The one line that convinced me Walmart had a big part of the responsibility for this mess came from the CEO of Mattel. He bblamed it on a subcontractor the China company used. Mattel specified the type of paint to be used, and the subcontractor ignored their spec in an effort to get a better price and make more money! Mattel is a large supplier to Walmart, and you can bet your sweet bippy WM hammers them constantly to lower their prices. Mettel in turn hammers THEIR supplier and the beat goes on!!!!

[malaise]

11. The backlash will hit Walmart

big time.

[karlrschneider]

17. Remember when WalMart was in its infancy, with their Flag and "made in the USA"

as part of all their advertising? Now it's almost impossible to find ANYTHING in their goddamn stores made in this country.

[napi21]

26. That was Sam Walton's original plan. I remember when the first

WM opened in the Pgh. area. The banners ourside all said "BUY AMERICAN"! Almost all the stuff inside the store was made in the USA! I don't know what happened. Did it just not work, did Sam get greedy? I know it got MUCH worse after Sam died!

[karlrschneider]

31. It's a nasty and dangerous kind of economic symbiosis. We want cheaper prices

and so we buy the cheap stuff which is made elsewhere and that forces domestic manufacturers to either cut prices which is difficult or impossible so they just shut down. All we do these days is circulate what little money we have around and at each step a little more is siphoned off to foreign producers. So we keep borrowing more and more hoping the bottom doesn't fall out. It will, probably sooner than later, and it will not be pretty.

[marandric]

23. China "mishaps"

My question is Why is antifreeze getting into toothpaste? Why is lead paint being used on children's toys? (that has been explained possibly) Why is the pet food tainted? What are they doing over there? There are too many "coincidences"!
Why isn't our illustrious Homeland Security labelling China as a terrorist threat?!
You may be accurate in your assumption that Walmart and Shrub are to blame for making it into the U.S., but there are other questions that also need to be answered. Something about this is very bothersome.

[napi21]

30. It's NOT anti freeze in the toothpaste, but one of the ingredients

FOUND in anti freeze. diethylene glycol (DEG)

Diethylene glycol is also illegally used as counterfeit glycerin in some nations and sold internationally as a component of cough syrup and toothpaste. <[br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylene_glycol

Paint is used on almost all children's toys that are not plastic, and even some that are. The problem with these recalled ones is that the Chinese used a lead based paint instead of a non-toxic one. Lead based paints are cheaper than the non-toxic ones.

The pet foods were contaminated with aflatoxin. It was added to the raw material to boost the protein content test so they could demand a higher price from the customers who used the wheat gluten to make the pet food.

In each and every case, it all comes down to $$$$$$$$$$$!!!!

[Sonicmedusa]

19. You f*ch with the US , there's gonna be blood.

It is our "foreign" policy.

There must be people to hate for the 'pugs to have a chance in '08.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Ding, Ding, Ding...We Have A Winner

eom

[malaise]

21. You're onto something here n/t

[madrchsod]

22. the chinese have been using lead in their products for years

in the late 90`s it was lead leaching out of cheap chinese plastic mini blinds. american suppliers were not using lead in their products. lead is a good material to create weight and stability to plastic and paint.

what burns my ass is the united states has spent billions in time and money to rid lead paint and other products that were poisoning children and adults . now because of our greed for cheap toys and other products we are again poisoning ourselves. who`s to blame? everyone from china to those who would refuse to buy american made products because they cost to much.

[MrMickeysMom]

24. Agreed... I just witnessed the weasel CEO from Mattel do his best finger pointing

Pretty amazing how all those "executive strategies" don't filter into "operational strategies". Is that cause these operations, which BTW, have been around long enough to be transitioned overseas all of a sudden cloud their lenses as CEOs? This drives me nuts. Bigger is better. Operational cost of doing business makes an organization like this run truly with a "mind by Mattel"

[malaise]

25. It's all about money

That simple.

[MrMickeysMom]

28. Well, can we modify that to- it's all about achieving Wall Street Quarterly performance...

which is a short term money scheme, but without long term stategies by the ever-present publically traded companies being run into the ground.

[Savannah_H]

27. reply

Bring our factories home I say. God only knows what goes on in those factories.
I will only buy US made.

[MrMickeysMom]

29. ...which is harder and harder to do !

[karlrschneider]

32. Lots of luck with that. Forget any electronic apparatus, we don't make those

any more. Appliances? Same story. Go to any big box store and find something actually manufactured in the USA...it will be a damned tough challenge.

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[malaise]

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