A quick translation guide for dealing with DLC candidates

[jgraz]

When They Say: Pragmatic
They Mean: Corporatist
Example: "Rahm Emanuel's campaign was a pragmatic success."

When They Say: Grown-up
They Mean: Corporatist
Example: "Unlike Dennis Kucinich, Hillary Clinton is a grown-up."

When They Say: Rational
They Mean: Corporatist
Example: "Harold Ford advocates a rational approach to foreign policy."

When They Say: Reasonable
They Mean: Corporatist
Example: "Steny Hoyer wants to adopt reasonable restrictions on greenhouse gasses."

When They Say: Centrist
They Mean: Corporatist
Example: "Diane Feinstein's centrist views have not been popular in the more liberal areas of her state."

When They Say: Bipartisan
They Mean: Corporatist
Example: "Joe Lieberman led a bipartisan effort to compromise on the Roberts nomination."


Any others that I've missed?

[Clark2008]

1. Great list.

But, you've repeated "grown-up".

Hurry and fix that.

Still - that list would make me smile for its cleverness, even though it makes me sad for its reality.

[HereSince1628]

2. check # 3, I think there's a problem.

[jgraz]

8. thanks, fixed it

Cut-and-paste is the bane of my existence.

[kenny blankenship]

3. "Serious" they've been using that one a lot recently

with the same ulterior meaning you detailed: corporatist, pro-war.

[jgraz]

9. Yeah, I hear that a lot

Like when Hillary said she wouldn't talk to our enemies or Obama refused to rule out using nukes. That's some serious foreign policy right there.

[flying rabbit]

4. self delete

redundant observation

[meegbear]

5. When they say: Corporatist?

[kenny blankenship]

6. they don't use that one in public - it's a no-no word

Maybe at one of their orgies, though, scrawled in lipstick across their buttocks...

[meegbear]

20. LOL!

Gotcha winkwinknudgenudge!

[harun]

7. When they talk about America's Interest's (When they aren't in America)

....Corporatist.

Example: "Oil is a vital national interest approaching border security in importance."

Example quote source: http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/stories/20070807/o...

(Even though that particular article isn't from a Dem)

[IndyOp]

10. I sincerely wish I could recommend this twice!! (n/t)

[Dogmudgeon]

11. It's defining a buzzword with another buzzword

When someone uses the word "Corporate" or "Corporatist", all anyone can really say is, "the author doesn't like whom s/he's talking about".

The emphatic form of corporate is fascist. Both words and their derivatives produce the same kind of MEGO (Mine Eyes Glazeth Over) response as their "DLC" counterparts.

Also see: Conservative; Right (-Wing); Hegemony; Patriarchy; Liberal (as used by Marxists in Europe and by Counterpunch); Reactionary; Oppressive; Management; Boss; Authoritarian; The Man (invar); and all -ist and -ism variants.

And a kick because I like the thread.

--p!

[BrightKnight]

12. Kucinich can't be beat

Everyone should get behind Dennis Kucinich. Even if he looses the self riotous feeling you get from supporting him can't be beat.

[truedelphi]

27. Did you really really mean "self riotous"

Self righteous or self riotous - I'll take Dennis anyway I can get him.

[BrightKnight]

29. If you go far enough left you will end up righ·teous.

I don't have a problem with him. I would be very happy if any of them could win. I am going to do everything in my power to assure that a Democrat wins.

I understand why Obama and Edwards would be attacking Senator Clinton as the establishment candidate. It is the obvious thing to do.

They can not win the general election like that. All of the media and every entrenched interest in the Country will shoot them down. That is not what a lot of people want to hear but you know that it is true.

I can also see that a lot of people on the right will be very happy if Senator Clinton does not win the primary.

--

The word was "self-righteous." It was obviously a spell check replacement error.

Also, I know that "righteous" is not hyphenated. When People attack things like that they are usually unwilling or unable to argue with the point of the post.

[donkeyotay]

63. I think you had it right the first time: self riotous

That's how I feel when I hear him speak. I do a little happy dance inside: self riotous.

[BrightKnight]

71. Icarus was flying high for a while too.

"...exulting in his career, began to leave the guidance of his companion and soar upward as if to reach heaven. The nearness of the blazing sun softened the wax which held the feathers together, and they came off. He fluttered with his arms, but no feathers remained to hold the air. While his mouth uttered cries to his father it was submerged in the blue waters of the sea..."

I would rather have a Democrat in office.

[donkeyotay]

79. I thought Kucinich was a democrat. nt

[truedelphi]

81. I do a happy dance too. n/t

[Individualist]

52. Kucinich is the antithesis of everything DLC stands for

He's anti-corporatist, anti-war, pro-impeachment, etc. DLCers are the ones pushing the "unelectable" talking point.

[BrightKnight]

59. That's good. We can't have any of that. - n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

13. More examples:

When they say: too far left
They mean: for the interests of the common people over the corporations
Example Dennis Kucinich is too far left.

When they say: isolationist
They meandoesn't think the U.S. should use its military to control other countries' internal affairs
Example: The isolationists in Congress want a speedy withdrawal from Iraq.

[Solly Mack]

14. bra-fucking-vo

[YOY]

15. I've been called "stupid childish hippie" by those who support some of those people in your example

I guess it's may avatar. That's about a stupid and ignorant as a FReeper.

I'm not hippie by any stretch of the imagination and my temper proves it.

I take care of myself and my family so I'm no child.

and I'm better educated than 95% of the population (and well though of in terms of independent thought.)

All for pointing out that their war-loving corporate candidate is just that. It's as if the moment that candidate threw his/her hat in the ring is the moment that they forgot to boo and hiss the injustices of the Bush regime as they gun up to do more of the same themselves...albeit with better grammar and pronuciation...

[arikara]

56. My middle aged eyes are failing me

I can barely make out the first word "Peace" in your avatar if I squint, but the second word is just a blur so it must be the young 'uns with better eyesight that are calling you a hippy. I get called one too because I am for peace and healthy organic food.

I really REALLY despise it when they say "I like Kucinich but he's not electable." That very attitude is self defeating and what makes him unelectable.

[IndyOp]

16. I've got a few from Jeb Bush!

When They Say: Increased Democracy, Good Government, Respect for Private Property, and Rule of Law
They Mean: Corporatism
Example: For too long, democracy has been defined as having a fair election, for those of us who believe in freedom and liberty, it's become crystal clear that elections and economic reforms are not sufficient unless they are backed up by good government and respect for private property and the rule of law."


When They Say: Entrepreneurial Capitalism
They Mean: Corporatism
Example: At a conference in Santiago Chile Bush said "unleashing entrepreneurialism" was a primary theme in the region.


When They Say: Globalization, Modernization
They Mean: Corporatism
Example: "Globalization has sped up the world to warp speed," he said, "and the countries of Latin America are falling behind Asia."


On edit - link: http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2840.cfm

[cascadiance]

17. "Moderate", "Mainstream", "New Democrat", "modernizing"

are a few more... All of course meaning "corporatist".

[KAT119]

18. kick

[ThomCat]

19. Excellent list! I could see that being the text of a great political cartoon.

[bbgrunt]

21. thanks for that bit of wisdom.

[billyoc]

22. responsible, sane, universal, broad, sweeping, all-encompassing,

Oh fuck it, any adjective.

[Lerkfish]

23. you forgot "progressive"

in another thread I was told "progressive" means "moderate", or coporatist if you prefer.

[BeHereNow]

24. Most excellent post- and right on the money too! Only you forgot ONE- an important one!

When they say: National interests
They mean: CORPORATE INTERESTS
Example: The troops are fighting to protect national interests in the Middle East.

Also applies to the phrase- National security...

BHN

[leftchick]

33. exactly right BHN!

[BeHereNow]

75. Back at ya!

BHN

[smoogatz]

25. Responsible. Serious. Consensus. Mainstream.

Great post.

[zazzle]

26. When Centri$ts say "bipartisan" - Democrats lose - corporatists win

[cosmicdot]

28. knr

Thank you!

[Just-plain-Kathy]

30. Puting down the DLC? I wonder how long this thread will last on the front page?

K&R

[dmallind]

39. Where the heck have you been

This is just more tired impotent railing by the holier than thou crowd who would rather have a party with maybe - maybe - 100 seats in the House and a bare handful in the Senate rather than admit that most people really are moderates, and would prefer to elect them.

It is par for the course to bash "DLC" Democrats (even those who have nothing to do with the DLC, and even forgetting that the last DLC candidate did a pretty nice job) on DU. In fact it's the only way to garner any credibility or plaudits from the echo chamber who think that everybody would really support Dennis Kucinich if only they just could get past the dark shadowy media conspiracy that is apparently blocking any possibility of, say, reading his website or watching the debates, or CSPAN, or going to his campaign events,or searching out any number of candidate comparisons. Apparently the idea is that people too apathetic to read past headlines would become an unstoppable army of progressive populists striving for economic isolationism and a gunless nation if only they could read about Dennis on page 1 once in a while.

Occam has a really thick beard around these parts, because I can think of a damn sight simpler reason that moderates do better nationally than ultra-progressives.

[LoZoccolo]

44. Sir, if I could recommend replies rather than just original posts, I would do so.

[jgraz]

50. For a short post, you've managed to pack in a staggering amount of disinformation.

"This is just more tired impotent railing by the holier than thou crowd who would rather have a party with maybe - maybe - 100 seats in the House and a bare handful in the Senate"

Yep, screw the core principles of Thomas Jefferson and FDR. It's just about holding on to power.


"rather than admit that most people really are moderates, and would prefer to elect them."

Oooh, thanks. I forgot that one!

When they say: Moderate
They mean: Corporatist
Example: Most people really are moderates, and would prefer to elect them

Of course, this is a flat out falsehood, no matter how you define "moderate". Tell me, are most people "moderate" on abortion rights? Gun ownership? The Iraq War?

People may hold mixed positions, but there are very few "moderates" on most of the pressing issues, unless by "moderate" you mean people who just aren't paying attention. And hey, in case you haven't noticed, most of the voters in this country hold some pretty non-corporatist - er - moderate positions.

I think what you really mean is that most people vote for the person the corporate media tells them to vote for, in which case you would be -- sadly -- correct.


"It is par for the course to bash "DLC" Democrats (even those who have nothing to do with the DLC, and even forgetting that the last DLC candidate did a pretty nice job)"

Another one!
When they say: Pretty nice
They mean: Corporatist
Example: Bill Clinton did a pretty nice job as president.

NAFTA, Welfare "Reform", his absolute hostility to cutbacks in corporate welfare, etc, etc, etc. Clinton was a smart, competent president, but he was a corporatist president.


"In fact it's the only way to garner any credibility or plaudits from the echo chamber who think that everybody would really support Dennis Kucinich if only they just could get past the dark shadowy media conspiracy that is apparently blocking any possibility of, say, reading his website or watching the debates, or CSPAN, or going to his campaign events,or searching out any number of candidate comparisons."

Oh yes, that huge pro-Kucinich echo chamber. Watch out for them! (And you call US the conspiracy theorists)


"Apparently the idea is that people too apathetic to read past headlines would become an unstoppable army of progressive populists striving for economic isolationism and a gunless nation if only they could read about Dennis on page 1 once in a while."

And here we have it -- the true reason for all the B.S. He wants to keep his shiny metal penises and buy cheap poisonous children's toys from China! Hate to break it to you, but neither of those is a "moderate" position.


"Occam has a really thick beard around these parts, because I can think of a damn sight simpler reason that moderates do better nationally than ultra-progressives."

I'm betting you can think of simple reasons for a lot of things. You might try letting a little complexity into that "moderate" brain of yours. Not every solution fits onto the bumper of your pickup.

And, by the way, it's not "ultra-progressive" to want fairer taxes, sane gun laws, universal health care, an end to the war, fair trade policy, and a stronger social safety net. That's the position of the majority of the people in this country. That's probably why all those "ultra-progressives" got elected to Congress in 2006.

[dmallind]

66. Well let's see if I can deal with some of that

How can you be moderate on abortion? Simple - try to reduce the need for them, illegalize them after viability but leave them legal until then.

How can you be moderate on gun control? Simple - be perfectly fine with background checks, licensing, permits, heck even competency tests, but still believe the people have the right to be armed.

Incidentally the Dems NOT being moderate on this last issue has caused them to lose a lot of elections, and gun ownership by individuals is a part of the Democratic platform to boot, for that very reason. I rather think that calling something owned by about 40% of the population - including tens of millions of Democrats - "shiny metal penises" is a pretty good indication you're not the one in tune with the majority of moderates here.

Oh yes I remember the horrors of the Clinton years. Lowest unemployment in modern history. 23 million new jobs added - almost all of them after pasaage of the horribly corporatist working American destroying NAFTA. First government surplus in 4 decades. Consistently rising standard of living and purchasing power. Inflation minimal. Greatest rate of home ownership in history. Plumetting violent crime. What a corporatist (whatever that means today - seems to be "anything other than wacky fringe candidate" most of the time) slimeball to foist that torture on us. Yep free trade really is bad for the economy! Look at how much unemployment and per capita income went horrible in teh years after NAFTA!

Let's see who's closer to the platform voted on by democratically elected committee members here. This of course being the platform of the party that is either left or moderate left. (not to you perhaps - but since at keast 40-50% of the population vote for more right-leaning parties, then clearly the Democratic party cannot be seen as anything more right than moderate in today's electorate's opinion.

Quote: Free and fair trade that creates American jobs. Exports sustain about 1 in 5 American factory
jobs. Open markets spur innovation, speed the growth of new industries, and make our businesses
more competitive. We will make it a priority to knock down barriers to free, fair and balanced trade so other nation's markets are as open as our own.

Me - I'm fine with that. Couldn't say it much better.

You - no doubt you would consider everyone who voted for this, and Kerry and Edwards who ran on it - corporatis extremists?


Quote: We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep
guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do.

Me - I'm fine with that too. I think the assault weapons ban as was was a pointless bit of window dressing but I'm certainly OK with the idea of restricting truly military weapons from civilians. I don;t care if a rifle is black and plastic and has a small stock like the AWB did, but I'm fine with keeping machine guns and full autos only for the guys in uniform (and actually this goes FURTHER than the AWB - which still allowed full auto possession).

You - shiny metal penises?

So - your only argument left is either that Dems as a whole are right of moderate (which would be rather silly as shown above) or that the platform is a DLC plant which completely snuck under the radar of those who voted on it and stood behind it.

[jgraz]

77. And by "address some of that"...

you really mean "ignore it completely"?

How can you be moderate on abortion?...

How can you be moderate on gun control...

I didn't ask if it was difficult to whip up a moderate position, I asked if most people actually were moderate on these issues.

The rest of your post is more of the same, bringing up new issues rather than defending your original statements. Of course, your original statements were pretty indefensible so your reaction is pretty understandable.

[dmallind]

82. So in other words

You now realize that plenty of people are moderate, and that so is the Democratic platform.

But hey keep bashing the moderates!

[jgraz]

83. Yes, that's exactly what I said

(you knew the eyes were coming, didn't you)

[Toasterlad]

84. Dennis Miller? Is That You? n/t

[Senator]

31. K&R

[leftchick]

32. my fav: "Hillary says they are building the American Dream initiative"

reality: building a 'Corporatist's Dream initiative'

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=137&subid=900111&co...

So the American Dream Initiative is a positive agenda for change that will unite Democrats across the country. Many Democrats worked hard to make this American Dream Initiative a reality -- the Democratic Leadership Council, the Progressive Policy Institute, the Center for American Progress, the Hope Street Group, NDN, and Third Way.

[cyclezealot]

34. Hillary Clinton is a grown up

Is that why she is having temper tantrums with O'Bama.

[windoe]

35. Thanks for a right on post!!

George Orwell was a prophet, unfortunately.

[bread_and_roses]

36. K & R (n/t)

[Richard Steele]

37. K&R- well done!

[LiberalEsto]

38. Great job! nt

[Gold Metal Flake]

40. A "moderate" composes a rational response...

Ad-hominen attack (snicker)
Factually and historically incorrect statement formed as a question with bonus straw man (snicker)
Disingenuous and vague accusations of ulterior agendas as self-supplied answer to question above (snicker)
Fear mongering + red herring (snicker)
In closing, ad-hominen attack (snicker)

[PurgedVoter]

41. When they say: Compassionate

They Mean:
Example: "George W. Bush is a compassionate conservative."

[hvn_nbr_2]

42. If their lips are moving, they mean corporatist. nt

[LoZoccolo]

43. IBTL!!!!

[stillrockin]

45. Nail, meet hammer.

[frylock]

46. fucking BRILLIANT!!

[Kurovski]

47. A bit of a different structure here:

When They Say: "We're keeping our powder dry."
They Mean: "We're taking a powder."

Alternate meaning of "We're keeping our powder dry" when directly addressing constituents: STFU.

[robinlynne]

48. excellent analysis!

[Totally Committed]

49. This thread is a WINNER!

I love it.

TC

[OHdem10]

51. Excellent List which all adds up to Moderate Republican

"Rockefeller" Republican or Republican Lite.

[Individualist]

53. When They Say: Unelectable

They Mean: If Kucinich is nominated, we're screwed!

[hfojvt]

54. moderately funny

but won't be incorporated into my world-view any time soon.

When I say 'world-view' of course, I must mean 'corporatist world-view'. I think ACME sells these little cardboard dividers so the world can be divided into 'us' and 'them'. Then you can get a ROMCO (tm) purification unit to keep purifying 'us' until it is no more than 1% of the population. Not enough to win an election, but enough to maybe play spoiler and ensure that Rudy is elected in 2008.

[Name removed]

55. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jgraz]

58. Yeah, that's a serious question all right

Communist??? Are you fucking kidding me? You do know the Soviet Union collapsed about 20 years ago, don't you? It was in all the papers.


An actual serious question: if every other post in DU is "Maoist, Stalinist, Pol Potist, Chavezitist, or any other form of Communist", why the fuck are YOU still here? There are several other websites whose politics should be more to your liking.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

60. Of course it's a serious question - which you haven't answered

Just to show you how it's done, I'll answer yours: the reason why I'm on the Democratic Underground, is because I'm a Democrat. Not a Communist.

I don't have a Mao avatar or a Che avatar. I don't post threads actively recruiting for Green or Socialist candidates. I don't cheer the dictatorial ambitions of foreign leaders because of their neo-Communist politics. I don't write massive broad-based attacks against America or the Democratic Party. I actually like America, and the Democratic Party, though of course, I'm disappointed every once in a while.

Simply because the D.U. tolerates the presence of non-Democrats, and that they use this website as a bully-pulpit to bash Democrats (to the point where they've made the place so hate-filled that many Democrats are leaving the D.U.), it does not actually mean they own this site.

So I ask again, why are you here? Is driving people away from the D.U. your real goal?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[jgraz]

61. I'm not answering your question because it's complete bullshit

It doesn't deserve an answer from a thinking adult. It's not really even an question, more like a childish, reactionary attack with a question mark at the end.

I'm on Democratic Underground because I'm a Democrat"

Are you sure it's not because you are, at this very moment, under the ground?


"Not a Communist."

Have you any idea how tired that rhetoric is? Why not just accuse me of being a Tory?


"I actually like America"

Not that I need to tell anyone but you, but this shit is straight out of the O'Reilly/Hannity/Limbaugh/Coulter playbook. What's next? Are you going to accuse me of waging war on Christmas?


"Is driving people away from the D.U. your real goal?"

No, but I wouldn't mind driving away a few unthinking, jingoistic right-wing morans.



Are you still here?

[ProudDad]

62. Ah, the purity police have spoken...

I'm a pro-Castro, pro-Chavez, Anarcho-Syndicalist, IWW member, Socialist, Green-Leaning who's registered as a Democrat...

I'm just as much "Democrat" as you are, bunky...

The difference is that MY kind of Democrat is GOOD for society, Good for the future of humankind and other creatures and Good for the Earth.

"Conservative" Democrats are on the same side as the republicans and are basically evil...

But you can stay anyway -- if you're a registered "democrat"...since that's the only price of admission to the "Democratic Party"


On Edit: Kick -- too late to recommend.

[jgraz]

67. Actually, it's the purity police from the year 1948

I knew we weren't past this as a society, but I thought that DU was at least one place I could go and not have to read this shit.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

69. Because your delicate mind needs shielding...

...from any opinion that doesn't completely agree with yours, in a thread you started purely as flamebait.

So of course, just like the religious right, you equate your inability to censor others with an attack on you. A "police" attack, no less. Yes, everybody who calls you on your anti-Democratic-Party rhetoric is an oppressor. Help, help! You're being oppressed!!

Worse, you get questions you simply can't answer, except with with profanity. The shock! The horror! Oh, the humanity!!

Oh cry, cry, cry me a river, with sniveling, mewling, whines.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[jgraz]

70. Point out one "Stalinist" post on this board

Then show me one in support of Mao or Pol Pot.

Yours is not an opinion, it's a delusion. A destructive, hateful, moronic and thoroughly discredited delusion. You calling yourself a Democrat is like George Bush calling himself "compassionate".

[ConservativeDemocrat]

73. OK...

Here you go, pal. It was reeeeeeally difficult to find. I entered "democratic underground Stalin" in google; it was the fourth entry down.

I actually hadn't expected it to be quite that easy. I've seen much much worse stuff, but to Skinner and the mods' credit, they delete it - even though the people who write it have established accounts and continue their hate against Democrats on a daily basis.

By the way, since you refuse to answer the question why you're here if you hate Democrats so much, maybe, since it's in the same general vein, you'll take a crack at Skinner's question instead: Do you ever get tired of hating?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

p.s. This is my last post to you, my friend. You live in your own little world in which moderates are evil, and documented fact is "delusion". There really is no arguing with people like that. So I'll tell you what I tell Republicans I can't move: I hope that one day you can give up your anger. It's just not healthy. And I hope you may one day see the people you hate (in your case, the DLC) as actual people, not soulless manifestations of "evil". For that kind of thinking leads to abomination.

[jgraz]

76. Uh huh...that's really a Pro-Stalin message

Again, your hateful screed said that MOST of DU was Stalinist, Maoist, Pol Potist, etc etc etc. Do you stand by that? Most of DU support murderous dictators? The fact that you admit having no idea how common such posts are just proves that you were talking out of your ass.


I do have one answer for your question: One of the reason I'm here is so I don't have to be bothered by idiotic, jingoistic right-wing asswipes. Clearly, I now need to find another motivation.

[ProudDad]

92. You probably shouldn't bother

conservativedemocrat has probably put you on ignore -- the refuge of cowards...

----------

I guess conservative democrats like "conservativedemocrat" can't stand all those Maoist, Communist, Stalinist, Pol Potist (not) radical ideas like:

Everyone deserves enough Food to eat...
Everyone deserves a Decent Place to live...
Everyone deserves Health Care...
Everyone deserves Justice...
Everyone deserves Peace...
Everyone deserves an Earth that's habitable by mammalian life...

And we're all in this together and owe it to one another to help each other out...

And if any of that "hurts Big Business" than tough shit.

People are more important than "Big Business"

[jgraz]

99. See, it's that kind of Commie Pinko crap that's bringing America down

Why don't you just frickin move to Moscow, Comrade?

[ProudDad]

93. Did you even READ that post?

Keerist -- you reference one post in a thread about a Russian poll that indicates that many young people in RUSSIA believe that Stalin did more good than bad for the Russian People... That's quite a reach...hardly qualifies as proof that DU is Stalinist...


And you're sooooooooo tender, so insecure...you think everyone hates you....

I don't hate you, I don't hate anyone.

I loath some ideas. I loath ideas that harm people, ideas that cause the kind of inequity we experience here in the belly of the beast, ideas that the "conservative" Dems and republicans continue to push for and vote for and fund.

I loath corporate capitalism...that bogus myth, that empty religion that will destroy all mammalian life on Mother Earth unless stopped in it's evil tracks...

You hardly sound "moderate", my friend. You sound rather petulant, bigoted against anyone to the left of richard nixon and absolutely ignorant of how the world actually works for the vast majority of us humans.

[Alexander]

102. Thanks, CD, for being EXACTLY like Joseph McCarthy.

I thought that crap was over 50 years ago.

Apparently some of his minions found their way to DU.

[jgraz]

103. In fairness to McCarthy, I don't think even he would accuse someone of supporting Pol Pot

I mean, the man did have some limits.

[stimbox]

85. McCarthy is that you?

It's like HUAC all over again around here.

[rjones2818]

64. When they say 'Reality Based'...

[jgraz]

68. "Maoist, Stalinist, Pol Potist, Chavezitist... Communist"

Still shaking my head at this. Stalinist. Seriously, this guy is writing this in 2007 and he's calling DUers Stalinist. And "Pol Potist" (apparently a jingoistic slur I'd never heard of).

I've rarely seen even the freeps post shit this stupid. Un-fucking-believable.

[ProudDad]

94. Well, he's part right

I AM a Chavezista...

[ulysses]

80. the DLC does not equal the Democratic Party.

You knew that, of course.

[jgraz]

87. You Stalinist!

[ulysses]

88. you fringe leftist!

[jgraz]

89. Awww, can't be a Pol Potist?

Those Khmer Rouge bandanas are bitchin'

[ulysses]

90. only if I can be a Sandinista.

[jgraz]

91. It's a deal. See ya at the flag-burning

[Greyhound]

57. K & R

[rjones2818]

65. When they say....

Go Dennis and Co-Sponsors of H Res 333, they mean their patriots!

[thegreatcause2]

72. Great post

"Our" political system works like a holding company for corporate interests. What happened to the constitution? Was it outsourced to corporations?

[treestar]

74. One consideration they may be using, though

Many people have jobs with big corporations.

I wonder if the 25% kook-aid drinkers, sometimes, are reacting they way they do because their jobs are dependent on the military industrial complex - somebody must be employed in that very huge industry. Or in the providing-of-security type industry - these must be their happy days.

When I lived in California, there was a large company that employed a very large number of people and it was for the space industry - lots of people who worked there had very good reasons for the space program. People who work in military base towns never want that base closed, whether it is needed for our "defense" or not.

Everybody does it. We have to believe that what we do is invaluable to society. We could moderate it by having a better safety net for people who end up falling in through the cracks when things/needs change.

[ProudDad]

95. Imagine

Imagine if we were to build new industries concentrating on alternative energy, electric vehicles, mass transit.

Imagine if we had complete "free" education from Pre-K through Grad School.

Imagine if we had Universal Single-Payer Health Care...and enough public Hospitals staffed to supply it.

Imagine if we had an Apollo Program for housing -- every person has decent housing.

Imagine if we converted our agriculture to a fully sustainable organic model instead of the current corporate model


Imagine how many people could be gainfully employed, fed, housed and cared for if such a vision came true...


We don't need large corporations to have a decent society...


Imagine...

[treestar]

97. I always wonder why we don't do that

Why are war and space exploration and shallow things what we value - it seems that way when you look at our industries.

[mmonk]

78. A few missed but unprintable ( or a poor idea to type).

[stimbox]

86. Excellent!

Great post jgraz.

Corporatist=Fascist.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
-Not Mussolini.

[ShaneGR]

96. Quick, call me a DLC Democrat!

But I'd rather focus on the Republicans than tear apart Democrats. After all, we are the big tent party. Not the vote 100% our party line or you're not welcome party.

[ProudDad]

101. See, our problem with the DLC

is that they EMULATE the republicans rather than focusing on ending their reign of horribly bad ideas...

[Kurovski]

98. Kick.

[Totally Committed]

100. Kick!

TC