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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:01 PM
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Cunningham Bribery - Foggo (CIA)-MZM Cases Linked to Saudi Slush Fund Scandal
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 07:28 PM by leveymg
Evidence related to the Duke Cunningham-MZM CIA contracting scandal was heard this morning in extraordinary secrecy by a panel of 6th Circuit Court of Appeals Judges in Pasedena. See, http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20070805-9999-...


The extreme secrecy is highly unusual. Veteran lawyers could not remember another time when the appeals court held a completely closed hearing.

The subjects to be discussed are transcripts and documents related to the February guilty plea of Thomas Kontogiannis, a New York developer who admitted to a single count of money laundering in the Cunningham case. Kontogiannis' checkered past includes convictions for bribery and bid-rigging, an estimated $70 million fortune, and a knack for staying out of prison.


The reason this is being kept under wraps that is Greece, like Turkey, has been buying GOP Congressmen and CIA officials . . . with Saudi money, as part of an enormous multinational arms and political influence buying scheme being operated by the Saudi Royal Family in several western countries, particularly focused on the US and UK.

Thomas Kontogiannis' motives in bribing Cunningham has long been obscure. A month ago, it finally came out that Kontogiannis' interest in the matter was arms transfers to his native Greece. According to details that have slowly trickled out of the case, the Saudis are lurking in the background of this, apparently as bankers for the deal.



Mr. Kontogiannis was acting as an agent for the Greek military, which we are now told was seeking backroom business with General Dynamics and other U.S. defense contractors. See, http://news.aol.com/story/_a/disgraced-former-us-rep-du...

The lure of Saudi money appears to be key to these bribery and intelligence scandals, which also connects to the Valerie Plame mega-scandal and falsification of Iraq WMD intelligence by San Diego-based defense contractor, MZM.

This is just another side of the same scandal that snared Dennis Hastert, Jerry Lewis, and several dozen other Republican big-wigs and ranking members of various committees, along with the CIA #2, Dusty Foggo. This appears to be part of the American tie-in to the monster scandal in the UK involving BAE, a big British (and US) defense contractor, the Saudi Royal family, and an $80 billion slush fund, Yamamah ("The Dove", rhymes with "Ya mama"), which has been buying western politicians and intelligence services since the mid-1970s.

In 1976, CIA Director George Herbert Walker Bush first entered into an illegal deal with Saudi Intelligence Chief, Prince al-Turki, to continue covert Agency operations banned by Congress in exchange for Saudi money. In 1982, he was picked as Reagan's running mate, and, using Saudi funding, went on run a series of notorious "rogue" intelligence operations out of the Office of the Vice President. See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



This has been an ongoing conspiracy. Today, it also touches on the scandal surrounding the sudden firing early this year of US Attorney Carol Lam, who was forced out by AG Gonzales just two days after the arrest on February 13 of Dusty Foggo, chief lieutenant to CIA Director Porter Goss. Eight days later, Kontogiannis cut a deal with prosecutors in the Cunningham case, and was offered an unusually light sentence for his role in bribing the Congressman.

TPM Muckraker has been on-top of this story. Consider this Josh Marshall column from last March about Kontogianni and the connections which had then first emerged about MZM owner Mitchell Wade, and his partner, Brent Wilkes, have with corrupt elements of US intelligence and the Saudi Royals: http://beta.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2006_03...

03.09.06 -- 4:53PM // link

Another piece of the puzzle.

Remember Thomas Kontogiannis? He's the larger than life twice-convicted Greek-born real estate developer who is better known in Duke Cunningham's plea agreement as co-conspirator #3.

If you look through the Duke files, Kontogiannis' role was mainly as a pass through for large sums of money. Yes, he gave bribes and of course he was involved in a boat transaction with Duke. But in the Cunningham corruption club that was almost a rite of passage. Now, from the records, one of things that Kontogiannis wanted from Duke was some help trying to beat the rap (and later get a pardon for) a bid-rigging scandal back in New York. And for a long time I'd always sort of figured that Brent Wilkes and Mitchell Wade were the real players in this story, with Kontogiannis just added in for comic relief and -- as someone who controlled a mortgage company -- someone who could easily move money around.

But I'm hearing it may not be that simple. Consider this. Mitch Wade was in naval intelligence before he left to work in the fraud and public corruption sector. Brent Wilkes -- and we're going to be hearing a lot more about this -- was deep into the darker regions of the intel world. Both of their scams were the same, plying the government contracting biz deep in the classified realm where scrutiny and oversight is minimal at best.

Now you have the third player Thomas Kontogiannis (#4 was Kontogiannis' nephew. So I'll consider him an extension of his uncle.). Given the background and habits of the other two, is this guy really just a real estate developer from Long Island? Consider this passage from a piece in the San Diego Union-Tribune that I excerpted back in November ...

In a previously undisclosed link between Cunningham and Kontogiannis, the developer accompanied the congressman to Saudi Arabia last year. A Saudi-American businessman flew Cunningham to Saudi Arabia twice last year aboard a private jet. On the second trip, the jet stopped in Athens to pick up Kontogiannis, a native of Greece with businesses interests in several countries. Ziyad Abduljawad, founder and chairman of San Diego-based PLC Land Co., paid for Cunningham's two trips to Saudi Arabia, each at a cost of more than $10,000. Cunningham has described Abduljawad as an acquaintance who shares his interest in improving U.S.-Saudi relations.

SNIP

It was unclear who paid for Kontogiannis' trip.

SNIP

Just how did Kontogiannis get into the mix with Wilkes and Wade? What's Kontogiannis's real line of work?



Justin Rood fills in the answer to that last question, here: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000391.php



Cunningham, Felon Met With Saudi Crown Prince

By Justin Rood - April 17, 2006, 1:06 PM Over the weekend, a new profile by Copley News Service added to our understanding of former GOP Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham's "Co-conspirator #3," the mysterious Thomas Kontogiannis. Today, we can add a bit more. Recall that Kontogiannis bribed Cunningham through purchasing a yacht from the congressman -- and paying several hundred thousand dollars more than it was worth. His finance company also handled some of Cunningham's questionable mortgages. But reporters and investigators have struggled to understand what Kontogiannis was getting from Duke for all the money he spent on the lawmaker. The latest theory seems to be that Duke was introducing him to world leaders. As Copley reports:

Cunningham "introduced him to people. It was like he had a congressman on retainer," added.

The Copley story notes that he twice accompanied Cunningham to the White House, and kept a picture of himself meeting President Bush in his house. Now, TPMmuckraker has learned he apparently met the man who would shortly become king of Saudi Arabia. It's been known that Kontogiannis, a wealthy businessman and two-time felon, in 2004 accompanied Cunningham and a Saudi constituent, San Diego real estate mogul Ziyad Abduljawad, to Saudi Arabia. Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA) also went. Abduljawad paid for the trip. Until now, we haven't known much about the trip -- who the group met with, why, what they talked about. Cunningham is said to have gone in order to promote U.S.-Saudi ties, or some other such pap. Beyond that, we've had nothing. I called Calvert last week to ask him more about the trip. (He's the only one of the crew who's talking these days: Cunningham's in the pen, Abduljawad declined an interview, Tommy K's lawyer doesn't return calls.) Calvert's memory wasn't perfect, but he had some details to share. The group met with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah -- then the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, and now its king. Kontogiannis was at the meeting, Calvert recalled, although "he didn't say anything, as I remember," the lawmaker told me. Copley now tells us its sources say Tommy K's purpose "appeared to center on an oil business he owned in Europe." That's not much to go on. The group also met with "ministers of various government institutions within Saudi Arabia," Calvert said. He recalled Kontogiannis being present for "some" of those meetings. As for what was discussed, Calvert recalled only that a number of the ministers pressed Cunningham to help ease post-9/11 restrictions on student visas for Saudis. With Abdullah, Calvert said the discussion was "primarily social," and "trying to build a better relationship with the United States." Now a U.S. citizen, Kontogiannis is worth about $70 million, Copley reporter Joe Cantlupe tells us. He spent over $300,000 on Cunningham. "What Kontogiannis, 59, got from the relationship with Cunningham remains unclear," Cantlupe writes, but notes that the businessman visited the White House twice with the Duke. And now we know they visited the Saudi crown prince together also. Was that it? He bought Cunningham -- a well-positioned but hardly towering member of the U.S. House -- to meet world leaders?


Bottom-line: MZM-Cunningham appears to be part of the American side to the monster scandal involving multi-billion dollar kickbacks from defense contractors to the Saudi Royal family, which has been in turn buying western politicians and intelligence officials for decades.

Over the years, the Yamamah slush fund has bankrolled a series of Saudi black operations from Pakistan's nuclear program, to the BCCI rip-off, to the Iran-Contra operation, to the creation of al-Qaeda and political influence buying in the US and UK by various factions of the Royal family.

Every time the US and Britain puts together an arms deal with the Saudis, and now with third-countries such as Turkey and Greece, the overpricing and kickbacks funds a black program, often inside the US and Britain.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:04 PM
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1. Saudi Slush Fund Scandal
No matter where you go I will find you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9u9XpSuM0w
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:05 PM
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2. Up Up
:thumbsup:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:07 PM
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3. and was not there a $26 million Saudi check cashed in Oct of '04 .....
.... to help with the election fix. If I remember it right it was cashed in Montreal.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:12 PM
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5. Would love to read more about that.
Gotta a link handy? :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:20 PM
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8. and Jonathan Bush's Riggs Bank
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 07:21 PM by seemslikeadream
Bank with close ties to Bush administration engulfed in scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

NEW details of Thatcher coup plot: London Evening Standard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

SEC probes Marathon Oil payments in Equitorial Guinea (and HQ burns down)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Du Toit admits meeting Thatcher
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Terrorist Stocks?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

'Petroleum lures dogs of war to Africa'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

BBC News: Thatcher charged
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Margaret Thatcher's Son Released on Coup Plot Charges (Update2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Exiled leader in Spain denies any link to coup attempt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Scorpions say have more info on Equatorial Guinea coup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Financiers conspired to overthrow oil-flush African government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Mark Thatcher: The money trail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thatcher case twist as list of alleged coup backers vanishes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thatcher: Spain 'secretly backed coup by sending warships'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

WaPo: Allbritton Loses Riggs Bank (front page, day 3)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

E Guinea 'coup plot' verdict due + update/result
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I feel like a corpse in a river, says Mark Thatcher as he faces court...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thatcher to face coup questions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Phone links Thatcher to alleged plot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
There was no coup plot, says Du Toit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thatcher to ask Britain to help halt extradition
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thatcher charged over coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thatcher to be tried in absentia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Britain knew in advance of Equatorial Guinea coup plot: report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Tories Demand Answers on 'Coup Plot'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Mandelson faces questioning over 'link' to coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Legal Woes Cut Into Bottom Line at Riggs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Mugabe flies to Equatorial Guinea (coup plot latest)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Despots, Deposits & Directors - Riggs Bank
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

SABC asks to broadcast Thatcher court case
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Spain calls on EU to warn Equatorial Guinea - Riggs Bank
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Raids 'break up' 20m theft gang
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thatcher coup plot: Mandelson, CIA & State Department named
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Archer 'link to coup plot'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Britain accused of failing to investigate Africa coup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Pentagon link to Guinea coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:48 AM
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84. My head spins. We are not worthy. Stay off small planes. Please.
I want to know what part in this Hillary Clinton has. The GOP wants her as the pres, not just for the votes it will generate, but for more serious business.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:23 PM
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145. Well, her hubby is a member of the Trilateral Commission along
with Poppy Bush.
This very secret organization of multinational corporate bigwigs has been labeled: "Elite Planning for World Management".
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:11 PM
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4. Time to catapult the truth.
Up
Up
and Away...

(K&R)
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:17 PM
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6. Rock the House of Enron Part II: Saudi Slush!
:D
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:19 PM
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7. They've hit the mother lode at last. This is treason.
And Bush is the head of the conspiracy in the U.S. He was bought many years ago as was his father. For shame. I believe some of the Democratic congresspeople have also been bought. I have particular senator in mind who shall remain nameless.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:33 PM
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12. Aw, go ahead, tell us. What's her name?
(Oops.)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:48 PM
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22. I suspect we both suspect the same suspect.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:49 PM
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24. Come to think of it,
I'm suspecting two Democratic senators.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:35 PM
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16. Were they bought?
Or blackmailed?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:37 PM
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17. They also control NewsCorp, Time-Warner and Citicorp
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 07:38 PM by leveymg
and a dozen other of the largest financial, defense and media corporations with headquarters in the United States.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:09 PM
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37. This would explain much about the behavior of Congress...

but if much of the Judicial branch and the media have also been "bought", what to do? Obiwan KOnobi you are our only hope!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:20 AM
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110. YES, but is there enough mother in the lode for Congress to do something about it?
or do they call the "we don't have the votes" whaaaaambulance
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:23 PM
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9. Just Wow!
Thanks for connecting the dots!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:24 PM
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10. Kicked , recommended and bookmarked!
:kick:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:29 PM
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11. And Clinton. Why do you suppose Bill pardoned Marc Rich.
Check the connection. And what is Murdoch's tie in. He controls the Financial Times and now the Wall Street Journal. Who is behind him?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:34 PM
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13. The Saudi Royals Are Rupert Murdoch's Principal Backers
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/272

Here's the real deal: Murdoch is both a business agent for Saudi Arabia, and their chief propagandist. Part of his job is to distribute Saudi slush fund money back to selected American politicians.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:45 PM
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21. "Saudi slush fund money back to selected American politicians"
Guess which Democratic candidate?

All sorts of things fall into place here.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:05 PM
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25. Would this be one of two Democratic Senators on Sibel Edmonds Dirty Dozen list?
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 08:09 PM by calipendence
Or at least what USED to be two Democratic Senators on her list! :)

Perhaps the pieces ARE coming together more!

Here's the the thread I posted yesterday on this subject. Good that we have a newer one to keep this subject on the Greatest page for the next few days... Perhaps a few more dots there that people might also want to look at.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It will be very interesting to follow this over the next few days, and to see if the Union Tribune can actually talk this court into taking the seals off of some of the proceedings.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:21 PM
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28. Short answer:
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 08:23 PM by Jackpine Radical
Yes.

Here's the Dirty Dozen:

Senator Hillary Clinton

Senator Mike DeWine

Rep. David Dreier

Rep. Dennis Hastert

Senator Orrin Hatch

Rep. Peter Hoekstra

Senator Jon Kyl

Senator Joseph Lieberman

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger

Senator Rick Santorum

Rep. James Sensenbrenner

Rep. Mark Souder

Uh...Any questions?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:37 PM
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32. Here is link to Dirty Dozen list
Whistleblowers Dirty Dozen: Interview with Sibel Edmonds By Luke Ryland, July 2006

http://nswbc.org/DirtyDozen/Interview-Re-DirtyDozen.htm
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:16 AM
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66. Boy! She SKEWERS Hillary. THIS is why we should work to keep Hillary OUT
This confirms everything Hillary has shown she stands for.

Rupert Murdock must be proud.

:kick:
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #66
78. Is this the stuff Sibyl found out about?
and was gagged?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:18 AM
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88. I hate Hillary, and I don't hate Bill. Just Hillary. She's a war monger.
We have to keep her out. Period.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:07 PM
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114. Please note that one of the criteria for this list was being up for re-election
because some notable others would be included otherwise:


For example, how many hearings has Conyers requested that have actually taken place? Who do you think blocks those hearings when he wants some hearing on Abu Ghraib or the Valerie Plame case or on Iraq? It’s the House leadership - that is Sensenbrenner, Dreier, Hastert - and before that DeLay - you are looking at the top 5 or 6 in the House Leadership saying 'no this isn’t going to happen' - and they can say that - even if you have some other Republicans saying that they want the hearings too.

Then we have the fourth criteria for making the Dirty Dozen list. They have to be up for re-election in November. For example, Jeff Sessions would be on the list, but he isn't up for election in November, or Susan Collins - she's the Chair of the Homeland Security Committee - but her election isn’t till 2008. The same with Arlen Specter.

Here's the thing - we have 84 whistleblowers who voted on the Dirty Dozen list - tri-partisan - and the list was virtually unanimous - based on their records, and the trials and all of our experience we have had with Congress - it's based on their stance, the dealings we have had with each of them - both specific Whistleblowers cases and also general issues.

So that was the selection criteria:


1) If they have specifically let us down: Oversight, Accountability & Meaningful Whistleblower Protection Laws

2) If they are powerful in the relevant committees: Leadership Position

3) If they are visible

4) If they are up for election


Bolding added


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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #32
128. NM...link working now. n/t
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 01:46 PM by Texas Explorer
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. Is that Joe Lieberman I see up there
well, well, why am I not surprised.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #28
58. Maybe that's why Hillary's getting special treatment from Murdoch and the MSM.
Sad to say, but I do think that's what's happening here.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #58
82. Well, yeah, of course.
You know that there's Murdoch $$ behind Hillary, don't you?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:21 PM
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29. I did not realize she had identified two Democratic senators.
Maybe there are more. There are certainly a lot more Republicans -- probably every single Republican in Congress whether knowingly or not has benefited from Saudi money and/or support.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. Only one now of course!
:) Don't want to give him any more reason to think he's one than he continues to claim he is...
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:21 AM
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63. not sibel's case
to be clear, the dirty dozen doesn't pertain to Sibel's case, but rather to NSWBC members more generally.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:36 AM
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56. If only the patriotic idiots that watch Bill O'Reilly could uinderstand this point.
Bill/Fox and CNN are mouthpieces for Saudi Arabian interests. No wonder why our war is going so well in Iraq.

Great post....as usual.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #56
91. Fascism is all 3: Business, Government and Media. You need all 3.
And all of the members of the 9/11 comission were hand picked because of their personal connections to big energy: Oil, nuclear, and military contractors.

The war machine has us totally duped. There is no terror. If there is, it's home grown.

We are providing state sponsored terrorism and fabricating the excuses.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:35 PM
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15. Marc Rich Neocon
Look for who lobbied to pardon him.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:44 PM
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20. Strange bed partners, indeed.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:35 PM
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14. BAE
BAE Systems Recieves $35 Million For HAARP Program

June 14 2004

Washington (SPX) Jun 14, 2004 - The Office of Naval Research has awarded BAE Systems a $35.4 million contract to manufacture 132 high frequency (HF) transmitters for installation in the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program's (HAARP) phased array antenna system. The contract was finalized April 19 with BAE Systems Information & Electronic Warfare Systems in Washington, D.C.

The HAARP program collects and assesses data to advance knowledge of the physical and electrical properties of the Earth's ionosphere. "We look forward to contributing to this critical program. This is an opportunity for BAE Systems to play an important role in expanding knowledge of the Earth's ionosphere.

Significant potential applications include long-range communication, sensing and satellite vulnerability to nuclear effects," said Ramy Shanny, BAE Systems vice president and general manager for Advanced Technologies (AT).

In 1992, AT was awarded a contract to design and build the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), the HAARP program's primary tool used to study ionospheric physics. The IRI is currently composed of 48 antenna elements and has a power capacity of 960,000 watts.

When installed, the additional 132 transmitters will give HAARP a 3.6 mega-watt capacity. The HAARP build-out is jointly funded by the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Navy and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
more
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/missiles-04zi.html


BAE SYSTEMS North America has reached a definitive agreement with Advanced Power Technologies, Inc. (APTI), to purchase the corporation for $27 million in cash.

APTI, a private company with headquarters in Washington, D.C., focuses on intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance exploitation and information processing for defence, civil and commercial uses. APTI's core competencies include radio frequency (RF) and optical engineering, communications and networking, signal and data exploitation and knowledge creation.

Other disciplines include microwave engineering; antenna design and development; optical sensors, plasma and shock physics; advanced ordnance systems; non-destructive testing; signal and image processing; and digital control systems, including industrial-based process controls.

...

Mark Ronald, president and chief executive officer, BAE SYSTEMS North America said, "APTI's demonstrated performance, growth and high quality technical workforce align well with BAE SYSTEMS growth strategy in network centric warfare and information operations.

...

About BAE SYSTEMS:

BAE SYSTEMS is a systems company, innovating for a safer world. BAE SYSTEMS employs nearly 100,000 people including joint ventures, and has annual sales of around $19 billion. The company offers a global capability in air, sea, land and space with a world-class prime contracting ability supported by a range of key skills. BAE SYSTEMS designs, manufactures and supports military aircraft, surface ships, submarines, radar, avionics, communications, electronics, guided weapon systems and a range of other defence products.

BAE SYSTEMS is dedicated to making the intelligent connections needed to deliver innovative solutions.
more
http://www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/index.htm


How and why was electronic warfare carried out in rural Tennessee?

From the known profile of electronic weaponry, the electronic attack upon WJKM appears to have been caused by a tactical electromagnetic weapon, emitting a directed electromagnetic plasma, beam, pulse, etc. at the target. Electronic weapons with this capability are known, and can be land mounted in a facility like the former power plant, mounted in portable facilities like vans, trucks, helicopters or airplanes.

Electronic weapons may even be space-based, on satellite platforms. This reporter has personally met with an Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon who confirmed the existence of such secret space-based weapons as early as 1977.

An alternative electronic warfare delivery system may involve newly constructed relays for the HAARP installation in Alaska. The potential tactical electronic warfare applications of HAARP are under investigation. Serious public interest researchers maintain that HAARP's electromagnetic energy may cause effects such as earthquakes, such as occurred on July 7 in Hartsville. Electromagnetic weapons have been used in tectonic warfare, intentionally causing earthquakes. Electromagnetic pulse energy accompanies most earthquakes. Research shows that ultra low frequencies emitted by the HAARP installation may affect the human limbic system, and be used for mood management and mind control.

The close resemblance of the Hartsville attack to other U.S. Air Force electronic warfare led to speculation that radio station WJKM may have been chosen as a test target for a clandestine electronic warfare unit located within the power facility, or to which the power facility serves as electronic relay point. The likelihood that the electronic attack was accidental, rather than an intentional military test, is low, given that the targets were media outlets.
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http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews31.html


BAE Systems is Europe's largest arms exporter. BAE Systems is dedicated to producing innovative and high-specification ways of killing and maiming people. Satisfied BAE customers include Saddam Hussein in Iraq, General Pinochet in Chile, and the House of Saud. Are you a feudal Middle Eastern dictatorship that tortures your political opponents - and innocent British citizens? BAE Systems says: No problem! We just want your cash.
more
http://www.angloarabia.com /

Carlyle Interested in BAE's Shipbuilding Unit, Telegraph Says
July 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. buyout firm Carlyle Group, whose senior advisers have included former President George H.W. Bush, has expressed interest in buying BAE Systems Plc's shipbuilding business, the Sunday Telegraph reported, without citing sources.

The paper said Carlyle hasn't decided if an offer would include BAE's submarine operations at Barrow-in-Furness, England, and the sale of Britain's only submarine business to a foreign company may be politically sensitive.

BAE's Chief Executive Mike Turner said July 12 that Europe's largest weapons maker is in talks with several ``interested parties'' about selling its unprofitable shipbuilding unit, which makes Type 45 destroyers and Astute submarines. The company hasn't yet outlined what assets would be included in a sale.

Any bidder for Barrow would compete with DML, which runs the Devonport Royal Dockyard, and is 51 percent owned by Halliburton Co., the oilfield contractor led by Vice President Dick Cheney before he returned to politics in 2000, the paper said. The U.K.'s VT Group Plc has also said it's interested in BAE's shipbuilding yards in Barrow and Glasgow, Scotland.
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http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=a ...

From The Sunday Times
Snip
David Leppard and Robert Winnett

BRITAINS biggest defence company has been accused by a whistleblower of operating a 60m slush fund to channel bribes to members of Saudi Arabias royal family. BAE Systems now faces a criminal investigation over allegations that it used Peter Gardiner, a reputable travel agent from St Albans, Hertfordshire, to lavish its Saudi clients with gifts and luxury holidays.

Gardiner has given details of the payments in interviews with the Serious Fraud Office (SFO). Speaking publicly for the first time, he told The Sunday Times that he had spent 60m on BAEs behalf. It was an enormous amount of money. Its more a question of what we didnt spend it on than what we did, said Gardiner.

The slush fund spent by Gardiner over 13 years from 1989 and 2002 provided a 170,000 Rolls-Royce, other luxury cars, London apartments, private air travel and accommodation in five-star hotels in Hawaii, Los Angeles, Paris and New York. Under separate arrangements, middlemen also arranged prostitutes for some dignitaries.

The largesse was extended to Saudi officials and members of the countrys large royal family who controlled the kingdoms arms procurement, the chief source of BAEs income over the past 18 years.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1190953,00...

By Sylvia Pfeifer (Filed: 25/07/2004)

An American private equity group with close links to the Bush administration has emerged as a leading contender to acquire the shipbuilding business of BAE Systems, Britain's largest defence company.

Carlyle, which specialises in defence deals, is known for its links to the White House.

Until last year it counted George Bush Sr, the former US president, among its advisers. George W Bush, the US president, once served on the board of directors of Caterair, an airline catering company owned by Carlyle. James Baker, the former US secretary of state, and John Major, the former prime minister, both hold senior positions in the private equity group.

Carlyle has not yet decided whether its possible offer would include BAE's submarine operations at Barrrow-in-Furness. However, the sale of what is Britain's only submarine business to a foreign company could be politically sensitive.

Any bidder for Barrow will face competition from DML, the company that runs the Devonport Royal Dockyard. DML is 51 per cent owned by Halliburton, the US oil services company that used to be run by Dick Cheney, the US vice-president.


Analysts say one possibility would be for DML to link up with either VT or Carlyle to buy the yards. However, it is still not certain that BAE will proceed with the sale. The company has yet to issue a formal sales memorandum
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http://www.money.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/...

The defence firm and the slush fund
Robert Winnett and David Leppard

FOR the Saudi princes and princesses it was just another luxury trip to the paradise island of Oahu in Hawaii. Under the shadow of Diamond Head, the islands volcano, they enjoyed the run of one of the worlds best hotels while spending thousands in gourmet restaurants and designer boutiques.

The party of 50 people checked into its usual floor of suites at the Kahala Mandarin Oriental hotel. It has its own dolphins in a private blue lagoon, spas and beach butlers to provide face sprays, cooling drinks and sunshades. They hired a fleet of cars and after a few days travelled in a private Boeing 707 to another Hawaiian island, Maui, to stay at the five-star Grand Wailea hotel. The total cost of the trip in August 1998 was more than 250,000, including 25,000 on car hire.

For the Saudis, such holidays are part of the trappings of their royal status and influence in the oil-rich desert kingdom. But the trip to Oahu and similar jaunts are now attracting the attention of Britains Serious Fraud Office (SFO).

This weekend, details of the trip and others funded by BAE Systems, Britains biggest defence company, have been disclosed by a whistleblower to The Sunday Times.
more
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1190346,0 ...


BAE probed on 60m Saudi slush fund
From The Sunday Times
Snip
David Leppard and Robert Winnett

BRITAINS biggest defence company has been accused by a whistleblower of operating a 60m slush fund to channel bribes to members of Saudi Arabias royal family. BAE Systems now faces a criminal investigation over allegations that it used Peter Gardiner, a reputable travel agent from St Albans, Hertfordshire, to lavish its Saudi clients with gifts and luxury holidays.

Gardiner has given details of the payments in interviews with the Serious Fraud Office (SFO). Speaking publicly for the first time, he told The Sunday Times that he had spent 60m on BAEs behalf. It was an enormous amount of money. Its more a question of what we didnt spend it on than what we did, said Gardiner.

The slush fund spent by Gardiner over 13 years from 1989 and 2002 provided a 170,000 Rolls-Royce, other luxury cars, London apartments, private air travel and accommodation in five-star hotels in Hawaii, Los Angeles, Paris and New York. Under separate arrangements, middlemen also arranged prostitutes for some dignitaries.

The largesse was extended to Saudi officials and members of the countrys large royal family who controlled the kingdoms arms procurement, the chief source of BAEs income over the past 18 years.

From:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1190953,00 ...

BAE wins 1bn Hawk contract

from the Guardian
Wednesday September 3, 2003
BAE Systems, Britain's biggest weapons maker, today clinched a contentious 1bn order to supply Hawk training aircraft to India, in a contract for which Tony Blair personally lobbied.
The deal, in negotiation for more than a decade, has sparked much political contention in Britain.
(snip)
Critics have argued that the sale lays the British government open to charges of hypocrisy, as it was pushing for a big arms deal at the same time as playing peacemaker between India and Pakistan over the disputed territory of Kashmir.
ales to India and Pakistan, despite political tension between the two regional rivals.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,12559,1034880,0...

400 boxes of documents --- from Travellers World

Although such hospitality is considered routine in some Third World countries, it is a criminal offence for British companies to pay bribes to overseas officials. Fraud investigators are also concerned about the way the payments were described in the companys accounts.
The SFO is now studying Gardiners statement, together with the contents of nearly 400 boxes of documents that he has volunteered from Travellers World, his company.

Last week Gardiner said his company had acted entirely properly. He approached the SFO in March and has been helping them and the police uncover full details of the slush fund since then. The possibility of a criminal investigation into BAE marks a new low for the defence company, once the darling of new Labour. It has fallen out of favour after being accused of massive overspending on a series of Ministry of Defence contracts.

Gardiners evidence spans much of the period of the Al-Yamamah arms deal, Britains biggest export contract. It resulted in the sale of more than 20 billion worth of aircraft, such as Tornado and Hawk jets, and other military equipment to the oil-rich state.

Whitehall officials said last week they were shocked by the scale of the alleged slush fund. The government is determined to show that all cases of alleged corruption will be fully investigated, but the case is highly sensitive.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1190953,00 ...


UK arms firm's 60m Saudi slush fund
Police inquiry into arms firm's 60m slush fund

David Leigh and Rob Evans
Tuesday May 4, 2004
The Guardian

...

Files have been seized by Ministry of Defence police alleging corruption on a massive scale by Britain's biggest arms firm, BAE Systems. Payments totalling more than 60m to prominent Saudis are listed, a far greater amount than has been previously alleged.
MoD fraud squad detectives investigating allegations of bribery of a civil servant have seized 386 boxes of "slush fund" accounts.

Most explosively, the documents detail 17m in benefits and cash allegedly paid by BAE, which is chaired by Sir Dick Evans, to the key Saudi politician in charge of British arms purchases, Prince Turki bin Nasser. He is recorded under the codename "PB", alleged to mean "principal beneficiary".

BAE is trying to secure another 1.5bn of arms deals from the Saudi regime, following the sale of planes, missiles and warships worth 50bn to them over the past 15 years.

The documents list by name every Saudi official alleged to have received benefits from BAE in recent years. These include a number of military attaches at Saudi Arabia's London embassy, recorded as being provided with luxury London houses at BAE's expense.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,10674,12090...

BAE Systems is offering its staff in Saudi Arabia an extra 1,000 a month in an attempt to stop the exodus of staff, one employee has told BBC News Online. The indefinite monthly payment follows a one-off payment of 4,500 in December after housing compounds were bombed in May 2003, killing 35 people.

The security situation has deteriorated since then. Earlier this month al-Qaeda militants beheaded an American engineer they had been holding hostage.

The British-owned defence firm made the 1,000 cash offer in an e-mail to each of its 2,400 staff in Saudi Arabia, describing it as an "emergency security payment", the employee said.

The employee said that people have been on edge since the housing compounds came under fire in May 2003 but that employees were encouraged to stay on the payroll to get the lump-sum offer in December.
more
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3837407.stm

Includes replies to:
"Are you an expatriate working in Saudi Arabia? Are you pondering to leave or is the security situation still under control? And how is your company persuading you to stay? Tell us your experiences.At the request of our readers in Saudi Arabia e-mailing us their stories, all names have been withheld"


US war system reaps $2bn for BAE

David Gow
Saturday July 19, 2003
The Guardian

BAE Systems, Britain's biggest defence manufacturer, yesterday secured its place at the heart of the Pentagon's visionary new electronic warfare programme, with a contract from Boeing worth up to $2bn.

It is seen by the Pentagon as capable of delivering a precise firepower that will dwarf the "shock and awe" seen in Iraq this year.
BAE's selection, along with Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, America's biggest defence contractors, buttresses its ambition to become a substantial US military supplier.

The company, at loggerheads with the British government, has made no secret of its ultimate plans for merger with the big US players such as Boeing or Lockheed, though talk of an imminent deal is too premature.

The highly classified work of BAE's two US units, one of them acquired from Lockheed and both run by US citizens, will be kept secret from the company's main British businesses under US laws, which forbid such technology transfer - a restriction that Tony Blair asked to be lifted in his Washington visit this week.

Jack Dromey, chief defence industry negotiator at the TGWU, said the plans would mean the end of a 70m project, known as Red Dragon, to build a repair facility in the centre of a new aviation park at RAF St Athans, near Cardiff.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,100142...

BAE Systems enters agreement with Carlyle Group

BAE Systems North America has reached agreement with The Carlyle Group, Washington, D.C., to spin out its Imaging Sensors business located at Milpitas, Calif.
Imaging Sensors was previously part of BAE Systems Reconnaissance and Surveillance Systems of Syosset, N.Y. In the transaction, BAE Systems provided the assets of Imaging Sensors to form a new company, Fairchild Imaging, Inc. Closing of the agreement occurred April 6, 2001.
The core competencies of the new company, Fairchild Imaging, are in charged coupled device development and fabrication and electronic imaging systems. This company pioneered the development of CCD imaging technologies and has continued to innovate in a number of commercial product areas serving medical, dental and industrial surveillance markets. It currently employs 123 people.
"Fairchild Imaging is an excellent business. This transaction is part of our continuing strategic alignment to our aerospace core competencies, and provides Fairchild Imaging with great opportunity for future investment growth and success in its new commercial markets as well," said Mark Ronald, president and CEO, BAE Systems North America.
Under the terms of the transaction, BAE Systems North America retains an equity interest in Fairchild Imaging. The new company will continue to provide CCD products to the Reconnaissance and Surveillance Systems business within BAE Systems North America. Financial terms were not disclosed.
MORE
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele....
UK: MoD official took BAE gifts
David Leigh and Rob Evans
Tuesday April 6, 2004
The Guardian

A slush fund run by Britain's biggest arms firm, BAE Systems, has been providing free holidays to a low-paid civil servant at the Ministry of Defence, according to allegations made to the Guardian.

The information has been passed to the Serious Fraud Office, which is planning to interview a key witness today.

...

The firm, which uses a battery of methods to persuade Britain and regimes all over the world to buy its weapons, has frequently been at the centre of corruption allegations abroad. The Guardian disclosed this year that since Labour legislated against bribery of foreign public officials, BAE has secretly shifted its files of payments to agents and foreign politicians into a vault in Geneva. BAE is also alleged to be using Swiss banks and offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands to conceal its transactions.

The Guardian also disclosed allegations that BAE has been operating a 20m slush fund to provide prostitutes, yachts and free trips for Saudis. This fund, according to the documents, also appears to have been used to finance the free holidays for Mr Porter. BAE has refused to respond to all these allegations, other than to make a generalised denial of wrongdoing.
more
http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,118678...

BAE chairman named in 'slush fund' files
David Leigh and Rob Evans
Wednesday May 5, 2004
The Guardian

...

Sir Dick Evans, the retiring chairman of BAE who faces his his final shareholders meeting today, has been named in allegations concerning the arms firm's 60m "slush fund", according to documents seen by the Guardian.

His name is referred to in a number of alleged phone calls, emails and meetings. The slush fund allegations are under investigation by Ministry of Defence police.

Sir Dick, who also faces questioning on arms procurement by MPs on the Commons defence committee this afternoon, remained silent yesterday in the face of the allegations about him.

Documents previously seized by MoD police detail 17m of alleged payments to a Saudi responsible for arms purchases from Britain, Prince Turki bin Nasser.
more
http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,10674,12097...

DRS Technologies Receives $23.3 Million Contract to Provide High-Frequency Radio Transmitters for U.S. Government
Tuesday June 15, 9:30 am ET

PARSIPPANY, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 15, 2004--DRS Technologies, Inc. (NYSE: DRS - News) announced today that it has received a $23.3 million contract, including options, to provide high-frequency (HF) radio transmitters for the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), which supports a U.S. government Arctic research facility being built to study the Earth's upper atmosphere.
The $11.5 million base contract was awarded to DRS by BAE Systems PLC (LSE: BA.L - News). For this award, DRS will manufacture more than 60 Model D616G 10-Kilowatt Dual Transmitters to fulfill the transmitter requirements for the HAARP program. Work for this order will be performed by the company's DRS Broadcast Technology unit in Dallas, Texas. Product deliveries to BAE Systems' Information and Electronic Warfare Systems in Washington, D.C., are scheduled to begin in March 2005 and continue for approximately one year.

"We are pleased to continue our role as a premier supplier of transmitters for the HAARP program," said Steven T. Schorer, president of DRS's C4I Group. "This award enhances DRS's position as a leader in high-technology radio frequency solutions for secure and tactical communications systems supporting the applications of the government scientific research community."

The high-frequency or short-wave Model D616G Transmitters were designed specifically for the U.S. government HAARP research facility. Currently, the ionosphere provides long-range capabilities for commercial ship-to-shore communications, transoceanic aircraft links, and military communications and surveillance systems.

A primary goal of HAARP is to understand how variations in the sun's radiation affect the performance of radio systems and to improve military command, control, communications and surveillance systems.

DRS Broadcast Technology, formerly known as Continental Electronics, is a global leader in broadcast transmitter equipment. It is the foremost supplier of advanced radio frequency transmission technology and the world's most experienced provider of the highest power radio broadcast equipment, offering a full range of products for broadcasting, military and scientific applications.

DRS Technologies, headquartered in Parsippany, New Jersey, provides leading edge products and services to defense, government intelligence and commercial customers. Focused on defense technology, DRS develops and manufactures a broad range of mission critical systems. The company employs 5,800 people worldwide
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http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040615/155095_1

Lebanese billionaire is drawn into BAE arms deal inquiry as 'second middleman for Saudis'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

BAE Wins FBI Computer Contract
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

MI5 quizzed over BAE 'slush fund'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

2,000 jobs to go at BAE Systems
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

BAE rocked by fraud investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:38 PM
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18. A motherload
Thank Gawd...
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:06 PM
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26. Emptywheel (Marcy Wheeler) also has background info
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 08:06 PM by DemReadingDU

In this thread for June 2007, search for info on BAE, Riggs bank, and Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia...

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/0...


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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:43 PM
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19. And don't forget Tricky Dicky
Wades company MZM Inc. received its first federal contract from the White House. The contract, which ran from July 15 to August 15, 2002, stipulated that Wade be paid $140,000 to provide office furniture and computers for Vice President Dick Cheney.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:48 PM
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23. Cheney replays a lot of scripts left over from Bush, Sr.
Cheney was annointed to do exactly what Bush Sr. did for Ronnie. To run the real government.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:11 PM
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27. The SECRET gubmint.
Bunkers ready.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:28 PM
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30. Thank you! This one is bookmarked
This whole case has the possibility of blowing the whole RNC/BFEE/DOD/Contractor axis completely out of the water. It's gone beyond the simple RICO vulnerable money laundering system, it's gone to international crime and the obvious funding of the terrorism keeping this scum in power.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:31 PM
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31. You are good.
Very good, indeed!

Thank you for posting the type of thing that makes DU an outstanding source of information.

Nominated.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:38 PM
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33. K&R!, K&R!, K&R! ding, ding, ding, ding......

I've read slush funds could be in $10s of BILLIONS! That kind of money can buy a lot of congresspeople.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:01 PM
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36. So -- are the Saudis the real force pushing for war with Iran?
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 09:38 PM by starroute
Maybe a non sequitur -- but I saw Pete Hoekstra's name on Sibel's Dirty Dozen list that someone posted above and a couple of pieces clicked into place.

It's clear that the Neocons support US attacks on Iran because they see that as benefiting Israel. But I've been puzzled for a good while about why certain military-industrial types like Hoekstra, who have no particular connections with Israel or the Neocons, would be strongly involved in beating the wardrums against Iran as well. A Saudi link would explain that mystery very efficiently.

Taking this a step further, I think it should be obvious that Israel and the Saudis act in concert far more often than not. They may not trust each other, and each may be wary of allowing the other to gain any advantage in armaments, but by and large their interests in the region are aligned -- and both see Iran as their greatest threat. Which means that this latest matched pair of Saudi and Israeli arms deals should be seen in the context of what leveymg is describing as well.

Something very interesting is starting to creep out around the edges.


On edit: If Murdoch is involved with Saudi money, that might also explain why several of the retired military guys who are among the extreme warhawks at the Iran Policy Committee are also Fox News commentators -- like Major General Paul Vallely, Lt. General Thomas McInerney, and Lt. Colonel Bill Cowan.

Oh, and come to look at my notes, another one of the 11 members is James Akins, who was Nixon's ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the October 1973 war. I was never able to make sense of his involvement as long as I was looking for Neocon ties, but now it really starts to add up. Akins' bio at the Iran Policy Committee website says:

http://www.nci.org/05nci/02/IPC-feb7.htm

James Akins was U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Nixon administration. An internationally respected expert on Middle East and energy issues, Akins has been an active and outspoken proponent for a just resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict and a prescient analyst of the Middle East peace process and Arab politics in general. Author Jean-Jacques Servan Schreiber has called Akins "the westerner who knows the most about the Middle East and has the closest relationship of trust with its leaders."
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:21 PM
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40. We all need to hammer on Waxman to get Sibel to testify!
I think she's probably got a few key puzzle pieces to what's missing here! We really need them!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:35 PM
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43. We should also push to see the redacted pages of the 9-11 report...

according to one official who viewed these pages, and leaked information to the New Republic, investigations showed direct ties between the 9-11 hijackers and officials high up in Saudi government.

http://www.aijac.org.au/updates/Aug-03/040803.html#Arti...

"We're not talking about rogue elements. We're talking about a coordinated network that reaches right from the hijackers to multiple places in the Saudi government."

There have also been reports, verified by leaked documents, that highjackers were shadowed by Mossad agents.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:51 AM
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60. that could be interesting!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:49 AM
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69. don't miss sibel's...
THE HIGHJACKING OF A NATION
Part 1: The Foreign Agent Factor
http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Op-ed-Part1-Nov15-06.htm

( and part 2 is even better - http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Part2-FNL-Nov29-06.htm )
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 03:33 AM
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70. Ah yes...
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 03:40 AM by AntiFascist
Conspiracy theory? This came from a Senator who read the classified portions!


The most explosive revelation in Grahams book is the following statement with regard to the administrations attitude on page 216: It was as if the Presidents loyalty lay more with Saudi Arabia than with Americas safety. Further, he states that he asked the FBI to undertake a review of the Riggs Bank records on the terrorists money trail, to look at other Saudi companies with ties to al-Qaeda, to plan for monitoring suspect Saudi interests in the United States; however, Graham adds: To my knowledge, none of these investigations have been completedNor do we know anything else about what I believe to be a state-sponsored terrorist support network that still exists, largely undamaged, within the United States.


What would Senator Clinton say about lobbyists who represent these groups?



...

The Military Industrial Complex certainly seems to be a winner in having the congressional report pertaining to the Saudi governments role in supporting the 9/11 terrorist activities being classified. The exposure would have meant grounds for U.S. sanctions and retributions; it would have risked the loss of billions of dollars in revenue from its top customer. These companies dont even have to officially register as foreign agents; after all, their strong loyalty and unbreakable bond with foreign elements exists by default; it is called mutual benefit. They are Foreign Agents by Default.

...

Considering the fact that Saudi Arabia is the top buyer of the U.S. weapons industry, Carlyles investment and its stake, and of course Jimmy Bakers far reaching influence within the Pentagon and congress, everything seems to come together and fit perfectly to shield this foreign interest no matter the price to be paid by the American public.


Damn, and here's the drug connection with Turkey! $36 billion, its more than half as much as the BAE slush fund. Also, recall there were leaked reports that Mossad agents were shadowing 9-11 hijackers and breaking into DEA offices?


Heroin trafficking is also the main source of funding for the al-Qaeda terrorists. A Time Magazine article in August 2004 reported that al-Qaeda has established a smuggling network that is peddling Afghan heroin to buyers across the Middle East, Asia, and Europe, and in turn is using the drug revenues to purchase weapons and explosives. The article states: al-Qaeda and its Taliban allies are increasingly financing operations with opium sales. Anti-drug officials in Afghanistan have no hard figures on how much al-Qaeda and the Taliban are earning from drugs, but conservative estimates run into tens of millions of dollars. Anti-drug officials say the only way to cut off al-Qaeda's pipeline is to attack it at the source: by destroying the poppy farms themselves. This year, Afghanistan's opium harvest is expected to exceed 3,600 tonsenough to produce street heroin worth $36 billion.




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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #70
156. actually...
the actual BAE slush fund was only $2bn (iirc) - and that was over a number of decades...

the heroin slush is ANNUAL (altho the $36bn is street level value, not the amount available to the major players)
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:08 PM
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160. $2 billion was allegedly conduited through Saudi accounts at Riggs Bank...

It is reported that $80 billion may be unaccounted for since 1985, in the total oil-for-jets barter deal.

"Prince Bandar's ghost writer, William Simpson, has revealed that Al-Yamamah provided off-balance-sheet covert funding for the decade-long Mujihadeen covert war to drive the Soviet Red Army out of Afghanistan. U.S. intelligence sources have independently confirmed that at least some of those funds went to the recruitment and training of foreign Muslim fighters, who were sent to Afghanistan. Some of those fighters, following the Afghan War (1979-1990) would later surface in such far-away places as Algeria, the Philippines, Indonesia, Yemen, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as Islamist insurgents, including members of Al Qaeda."

As for the street value of heroin, the middlemen may be an interesting mix of corrupt intelligence and organized crime. Notice, if you are familiar with Mad Cow News, heroin may not be the only drug who's dealing is associated with Al Qaeda, in areas such as Florida.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:58 PM
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48. Constant image: the House of Saud Prince, George (in the middle), the Israeli leader ...
walking ... hand-in-hand-in-hand.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:28 AM
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93. Micheal Moore had it on film. Just not the dirty details. He needed proof.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:01 AM
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62. We are Saudi Arabia's proxy in the ME.
They attack us on 9/11 and we-

1) exit the military bases in their country.
2) invade their #1 immediate secular threat on their border, Iraq.
3) hang their #1 threat's leader
4) keep the price of SA oil up by keeping Iraqi oil off the market
5) allow US troops to be the lightening rod in the ME, taking the heat off of the House of Saud and their corrupt Kingdom.
6) Will probably take on their #1 religious rival in the ME, the Iranian Shia.

And Kingdom Holdings are huge players in Newscorp and Time Warner, so they are dictating the message to the American public.

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:42 AM
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68. dirty hoekstra
the hoekstra segment of my dirty dozen interview with sibel is here
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/peter-hoekstra...

"Over a year ago the CIA IG finally completed its investigations of CIA & 9/11; then, immediately, Goss decided to classify the entire report, and he successfully did just that. The CIA-IG investigations included interviews of CIA whistleblowers. Hoekstra & his committee refused to challenge the classification; thus, prevented the public from getting to know the facts/cases relevant to 9/11 & the courageous whistleblowers who gave up their careers/jobs to bring these issues to the public's attention. And finally; as we all know, the House Intel Committee has refused to hold meaningful oversight hearings (despite many recent CIA whistleblowers relentless efforts); they are also the most staunch opponents of whistleblower protections for Intel employees."

Hoekstra also blocked Russ Tice from appearing in Congress to talk about the NSA spying program
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:20 PM
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115. Exactly
"Israel and the Saudis act in concert far more often than not..."

I've wondered about this for a long time, and people tend to blame one or the other depending on how their bias lies. But the truth points to something else more along the lines of the infamous "new world order." This is a new form of sovereignty based on money.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:13 PM
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38. K&R dagnabbit! nt
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:20 PM
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39. The USA firings scandal is now international. Thank you for this
thorough post on our very corrupt government.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:05 PM
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150. You mean foreign reporters can dig up the truth on our corrupt govt but WE can't
since we'd end up in the 'gulag' ?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:26 PM
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41. Thank you K&R n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:34 PM
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42. I still think we need to look at possible connection to the potential CIA/Super dollar plot...
The elements, tons of laundered money, the CIA, and the incredible amount of secrecy have me want to know more about what Frankfurter Allemaigne studied in their analysis that points to CIA's involvement in super dollar counterfeitting which they allege here:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/46786 /

Here's another link from Guerrilla News Network...

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/25472/Super_notes_Whats_Going...

Super notes: Whats Going On?
Thu, 24 May 2007 02:49:44 -0500

Swiss authorities question U.S. counterfeiting charges against North Korea

By Kevin G. Hall
McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON Swiss police who closely monitor the circulation of counterfeit currency have challenged the Bush administrations assertions that North Korea is manufacturing fake American $100 bills.

...



...

The American secret service, the CIA, could be responsible for manufacturing the nearly-perfect counterfeit 50 and 100-dollar-notes that Washington pins on the terror regime of North Korea.

The charge comes after an extensive investigation in Europe and Asia by the Sunday edition of the Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung of Frankfurt, and after interviews with counterfeit money experts and leading representatives of the high-security publishing industry. <>

The administration of George W. Bush officially accused Pyongyang of the deed in the autumn of 2005, derailing Six-Party Talks on Pyongyangs nuclear weapons program. Since then, tensions on the Korean Peninsula have increased considerably. America charges that North Korea is financing its rocket and nuclear weapons program with the counterfeit Supernotes.

North Korea is one of the worlds poorest nations and lacks the technological capability to produce notes of such high quality. According to the Frankfurter Allgemeinen Sonntagszeitung, North Korea is at present unable to even produce the won . The sources, which do not wish to be identified, allege that the CIA prints the falsified Supernotes at a secret facility near Washington to fund covert operations without Congressional oversight.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:16 PM
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44. kick
so this is read by more here...

thanks.
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:27 PM
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45. Please foreard this to KO and wherever else necessary!
This need to be front and center, and we need to have all the presidential candidates chime in
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:04 AM
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64. There's a good chance Amy Goodman would cover this
Amy does outstanding journalism and isn't afraid of the truth, no matter where it leads.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:35 PM
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46. Excellent post! n/t
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:45 PM
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47. Thank you for posting n/y
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 11:02 PM
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49. K&R baby! eom!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 11:03 PM
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50. Tell people.........
get this info out! It's not going to be on CNN! We are the journalists now! :grr:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 11:40 PM
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51. i HAVE A QUESTION..WHY WAS CUNNINGHAM MOVED TO A DIFFERENT PLACE?
AND WHY WAS THE DEFENCE KEPT OUT OF COURT IN THIS CASE THAT IS ONGOING? how can a defendent defend themselves when their defence lawyers are not allowed into court and everything is secret?

something is coming down big..or is going to be covered up with new USAttorney that was put into Carol Lams slot..??

but the moving of Cunningham concerns me..are they protecting his life?? or setting him up to get knocked off?
and will we ever know??

this needs to all be exposed ..this secrecy in the court is concerning me..

thank you all for your brilliance!!

fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 11:41 PM
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52. K&R brilliant!! thank you!
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:06 AM
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53. K & R....and bookmarked. My head is spinning...
This is just too much to absorb at one time.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #53
80. I'll say
It's like playing connect the dots but the dots just never end and the picture that appears keeps looking uglier and uglier the longer you play.
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:11 AM
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54. K&R n/t
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:13 AM
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55. It's almost Orwellian double-speak
In the Kontogiannis case, both sides met in secret proceedings on Feb. 21 and 22. There was never any notice of those hearings given, according to documents filed by The Copley Press for the appellate court hearing.

It was not until 4:45 p.m. on Feb. 22 15 minutes before the federal courts close that a notice was posted on the court calendar. It referenced a closed hearing for the next day, Feb. 23 at 8:15 a.m.

Moreover, the notice was advertised on a court calendar under a different case number and different case title. Effectively, there was no way for the public to know that In re: Request to Seal Proceedings had anything to do with Thomas Kontogiannis and his case.

It's almost Orwellian double-speak, said Gregg Leslie, the legal defense director for The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. They say, 'We need secrecy, but the reason we need secrecy is also secret, so we can't tell you.'

....

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20070805-9999-...

Almost?
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:46 AM
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57. K&R
Going up.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:48 AM
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59. I thought these were all conspiracy theories, looks like they are not
wow!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:59 AM
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104. Remember, kids, just because it's a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it's not true!

:tinfoilhat:
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:56 AM
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61. Kicked. Recommended. If I could give this 20 Rs, I would.
This is important stuff.

You have connected so many dots here, you may have just explained everything.

Exemplary. Well done.

- as
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:07 AM
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65. Outstanding post & thread
recommended.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:31 AM
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67. Outstanding thread in every way!
K & R

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 03:44 AM
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71. Kick and recommended
I am bookmarking this for a better read tomorrow. I am having trouble taking it all in. Thank you for posting this. I think I'll copy the whole page and save it for history to show my grand kids when their older.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 03:53 AM
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72. Thank you
This has to be the most informative thread I have ever read on DU. Glad to recommend. Anxious to read more tomorrow. This needs to be kept kicked for days and days.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:04 AM
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73. Brilliant. I'm humbled. And to think people are wasting time on that anon. b.s.
Totally bookmarked and, as an added bonus, you're not on my buddy list ;)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 06:47 PM
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148. Shackley's Third Option, arming both sides of a conflict and profiteering
no matter which way events sort out

http://www.nndb.com/people/255/000130862/
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:54 AM
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74. Bump...up
:donut:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 06:32 AM
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75. The firing of US Attorney Lam was to prevent further investigation.
Looks like that little plan isn't working out so well. This is some complicated coruption. This Regime reeks.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 06:54 PM
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149. NBC knew this a year ago. ABC's 'investigative' team Brian Ross et al knew too
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 07:01 PM by EVDebs
but things stayed quiet until Dan Moldea and Larry Flynt broke some of the DCMadame links

"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy Duke Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA. "

FBI probes Watergate prostitution allegations
Infamous hotel used by defense contractor to entertain lawmakers?

Prostitutes for lawmakers at Watergate?
May 4: The bribery scandal involving former U.S. Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham opened up a new line of inquiry for investigators: hospitality suites run by lobbyists. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.


By Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit
Updated: 4:38 p.m. PT May 4, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250 /

and ABC's teaser re 'the next Watergate',

ABC News Update on Hastert Story
May 24, 2006 10:21 PM

Brian Ross Reports
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/05/abc_news_up...


All in friggin' May 2006 !!!!! What are they waiting for ???? Oh, I get it, to buy time for the "others" in Congress and the CIA to cover their assess and offshore their assets. The US taxpayer is screwed again. Way to go.



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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:03 AM
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76. K&R! A puzzle piece here, a puzzle piece there.
Profiteering from death is all these people know.

:grr:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:30 AM
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77. Most excellent.
Remember the Halloween Massacre.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:27 AM
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79. This post needs to stay alive until election day!
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:31 AM
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81. Darn darn after reading the first paragraph
the first thing that flashed into my mind Iran=Contra. Sounded just like it. And I bet it was.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:39 AM
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83. K/R and bookmarked. Thank you leveymg. n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:52 AM
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85. Just saved this to my hard drive to send to Edwards after he breaks
this scandal in 08.

When you know these things, everything makes sense: Killing JFK, 9/11, vietnam, all the gulf wars, palestinian and russian cold wars. And of course, Terra.

After the 04 election I was devisated. How could my own country be so stupid? How could Americans choose this?

It's actually easier to live with this truth: Our country was stolen by organized crime, and the criminals were put into office.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:42 PM
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139. Hey, that's an idea!

Bringing this to the light of the mass media could allow Edwards a huge leg up in the campaign and a chance to really damage Clinton's popularity.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:05 AM
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86. Please write the Editor of the Union Tribune and thank her for this: Address:
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 09:13 AM by jazzjunkysue
letters@uniontrib.com
readers.rep@uniontrib.com

A hearing no one can hear Aug. 5 by Greg Moran

Editor Karin Winner

Here's mine:
Dear Ms. Winner,

I found a posting of Greg's article on www.democraticunderground.com and learned that your paper was largely responsible for nabbing Duke Cunningham and outing the entire Saudi Slush Fund conspiracy.

I thought there were no more good reporters or new agencies in this orwellian presidency. Thank you for your perseverance in the face of the dangerous Bush crime family and decades of secret arms deals.

You have restored my faith in my country. You are all american heroes and patriots.

I will look for your articles in the future.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:28 AM
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112. That's a GREAT idea!
:yourock:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:17 AM
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87. A thing of beauty
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:19 AM
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89. marking for later. eom
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:22 AM
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90. Kicked and recommended.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:23 AM
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92. interesting
kicking to come back and read more later.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:31 AM
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94. So the Saudi bribe fund, er, slush fund, er, kick-back fund made its way to Foggo?
Well. Who knew?

The Bushes, I guess, seeing how Jonathan Bush ran Riggs Bank.

Like the Sopranos, "He's Family."



The Spook Bank

More on the Riggs-CIA connection.


By Jack Shafer
Posted Monday, Jan. 10, 2005, at 10:37 PM ET
Salon.com

Wall Street Journal reporter Glenn R. Simpson earned a much-deserved attaboy from me last Friday for his story, "Riggs Bank Had Longstanding Link to the CIA" (Dec. 31, 2004), which places the Riggs Bank money-laundering scandal in new context by being the first to connect it to the agency.

Simpson reports how the Riggs-CIA "relationship," which goes back some time, may foil the prosecution of alleged money-launderers employed by the bank. (Riggs admitted no wrong-doing last year when regulators fined it $25 million for violating currency laws.) The connection, Simpson writes, puts the government in the unenviable position of convincing juries that the "bank's failure to disclose financial activity by the foreign officials wasn't implicitly authorized by parts of the U.S. government."

Simpson's piece also invites speculation that the Justice Department might abort the prosecutions lest courtroom brawls reveal more about Riggs and the CIA than the government wants made public. The Riggs-CIA romance goes back at least to 1961, according to this passage in Thomas Powers' biography of former CIA head Richard Helms, The Man Who Kept the Secrets (1979):
    On Friday, April 21, 1961, for example, two days after the surrender of the exile invasion force , two men in workclothesthey might have been taken for window washers, say, if not for their neat Ivy League haircutsapproached a teller in the DuPont Circle branch of the Riggs National Bank in Washington with an unusual request. They asked the teller for six to eight bank checks totaling well over $100,000 to be made out in the name of Arthur Avignon. The teller was not as surprised as he might have been. Men from the CIA often arrived quietly to inspect the financial records of certain local embassies, and the teller was also familiar with several oddly active accounts in the name of groups like the National Association of Loggers, the Dry Cleaners' Association, and so on. When he had asked about these strange accounts after first going to work at the branch he had been told frankly, "Oh, those are dummy accounts."


Powers writes that a week later the teller read an Associated Press story datelined Havana in which Fidel Castro damned the CIA for its plots against Cuba and specifically mentioned funds that had come from Arthur Avignon.

SNIP...

The FBI seems to have its own special relationship with Riggs. In a 1986 Nation column, Christopher Hitchens writes that the FBI obtainedwithout a subpoena or court orderthe account information of a friend of his who banked at Riggs' Dupont Circle branch. Later, FBI Director William Webster admitted that the information was made available "on two occasions" by "confidential sources." Prior to President Bill Clinton's sacking of FBI Director William Sessions, a Justice Department ethics investigation determined that the director had purchased a $435,000 house that was beyond his means with a "sweetheart loan" from Riggs. Riggs Chairman Joe L. Allbritton referred Sessions and his wife to a Riggs bank official after he learned they were house-hunting, according to a Feb. 4, 1993, story in the Washington Post.

As long as we're indulging in speculation, what should we make of the 1997 deal in which J. Bush & Co., a money management firm owned by Jonathan Bush, George H.W. Bush's brother and W's uncle, was purchased by a unit of Riggs Bank? Exactly how close is the Bush dynasty to Riggs and its scandal?

CONTINUED...

http://www.slate.com/id/2112106 /



Excellent work, as always. Thank you, leveymg!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:36 AM
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95. k&r nt...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:42 AM
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96. Kick
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:46 AM
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97. I just sent this thread to Keith. I think it would help if others did, too.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:55 AM
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98. Union Tribune's follow up article this morning...
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 10:01 AM by calipendence
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070807-9999-...

Judges mull over secrecy of litigation

Government wants proceedings sealed
By Greg Moran
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

August 7, 2007

PASADENA A federal appeals panel yesterday wrestled with issues of secrecy, classified information and the public's right to monitor court proceedings in two separate high-profile prosecutions from San Diego.

The three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals made no final rulings on either case.

One case centers on the guilty plea of a co-conspirator in the Randy Duke Cunningham bribery scandal. Government lawyers have blanketed the proceedings in a thick shroud of secrecy, which The San Diego Union-Tribune has been trying to get lifted.

The judges ended up asking for more arguments in the next two weeks from prosecutors and The Copley Press Inc., publisher of the Union-Tribune.

...


I'd spend more time analyzing this, but I have to run back to pick up my cat from the vet this AM where hopefully he's not going to die! :( So yes, like another thread postulated this morning, I do feel a bit like chicken little over the last day or so!
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:32 PM
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116. It would be illegal to classify info to cover up crimes,
and presumably it would also be wrong to close a court proceeding just to avoid embarrassing someone. Our nation can be harmed as much by illegal activity hiding behind national security as by revealing actual security secrets.

Good luck with your kitty.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:49 PM
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119. Thanks for the wishes... Found out he has a 50/50 chance of having cancer...
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 12:49 PM by calipendence
:(

Just blew over $1000 more dollars on vet bills today. Already had blown close to $2000 last month for earlier treatments for him and for radioactive iodine treatment for my other "kid" cat a few weeks ago. And I'm sure I'm going to be in for another $1k or so if he needs surgery. There goes any hope I have of buying a house any time in the near future! Life seems kind of depressing these days!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:50 PM
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129. I just went through the whole dog-at-the-vet, and sorry to say, it was sad.
I hope your outcome is better than mine. In the end, the $2K did nothing at all to extend her life, no fault to the doctors.

Now, I'm glad her deterioration is ended, but this house is so empty...

Good luck.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:13 AM
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99. You're trying to pin everything on the Saudis? A "monster scandal"?
I mean, I know the Saudis make the easiest of targets, and you have some neato pictures and articles everything, but meetings and pictures together doesn't support (or even come close) everything you are trying to claim here.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:15 PM
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122. I didn't make up any of the reports cited here. Yamamah is the "monster scandal", there's
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 01:16 PM by leveymg
no denying it.

By the way, there are plenty of countries involved in this story. But, Saudi Arabia is the source of most of the cash.

Read the Kerry Commmission report. It's still the same players, doing the same things, because nobody got thrown in jail the first time.

So, what's your beef, exactly? You don't like the pictures?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:05 PM
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136. Wait a minute. Is this satire?
The name of the monster scandal is "Yamamah"?

As in "Ya Mama" or "Yo Mama"?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:52 PM
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140. Another label might be "The Nexus of Terror and Politics"...

you can argue with Keith Olbermann over that one.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:29 AM
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100. This Is What Failure To Impeach Invites
We were in the same position with the reaganpoppy gang but failed to enforce the law. We got 4 more years of Poppy and an "in your face" criminal pardon of the co-conspirators to boot.

This time we got the criminal pardon of Scooter first. More will follow.

And without impeachment the sufficiently-bushie US Attys will be readly and waiting to steal 4 more years.

Only Impeachment ... can break the cycle.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic, (and legal, legislative, electoral, diplomatic...) option.

----

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:34 AM
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101. Is this money going to hedge funds?
Cerberus, for example, came out of nowhere to buy billions of dollars worth of assets. They also contributed thousands to buy off Jerry Lewis & Cunningham, as well as other GOP politicians. I've wondered where this company suddenly got this massive influx of cash. Is it possible that Saudi Arabia has been funding these hedge funds out of the "slush fund" in order to expand their influence?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:24 PM
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123. Actually, Cerberus-Gabriel is an Israeli bank-holding company that morphed into a hedge fund
See my story on Cerberus: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/10/21556/5045

I would not be at all surprised if there's a significant Saudi interest backing Cerberus, as well.

As I said, strange bedfellows.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:34 AM
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102. dupe
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 10:35 AM by Marie26
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:58 AM
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103. K & R
Thank you!
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Magginkat Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:04 AM
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105. Who's Doing The Bribing & Blackmailing?
I've seen bribery and blackmail mentioned several times in this thread by have yet to see anyone mention who might be doing the bribing and blackmailing.

I have been suspicious that Bush and Cheney are using their spying programs from day one to backmail key members of Congress. A couple nights ago when the House followed the Senate in their treasonous sellout of the U.S. citizens with FISA law, any doubts that remained were completely removed.

Maybe Bush & Cheney thought they had a monopoly on the Saudi business until they listened in on a few phone calls or intercepted a few emails.

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:09 AM
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106. Jeebus!
:kick:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:12 AM
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107. We need an International Corruption Forum
Threads like this deserve a special place where all the puzzle pieces can be kept for future reference and sharing.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:14 AM
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108. K & R How can this be summed up SIMPLY for friends/family who
do not follow "politics" and rarely use their critical thinking skills?

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:43 PM
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127. There's the rub!
It's so freaking complex and has been going on so long it takes a long time to bring someone up to speed.

-Hoot
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:04 PM
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130. America has been sending the Saudis tens of billions each year for decades.
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 02:17 PM by leveymg
The Saudis have been spending some of that money to buy the ruling American political party, a controlling share in leading U.S. banks and media, along with elements of its intelligence services as insurance on that investment. In 1976, then CIA Director George H.W. Bush made a deal with the head of Saudi intel (later, Ambassador to Washington), Prince al-Turki, to continue covert operations that Congress had cut off. That story is told here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

As part of this relationship, the Saudis buy billions of dollars worth of weapons systems from American and British defense contractors at inflated prices. During the Thatcher Administration, the Brits made an arms for oil deal with Saudi Arabia, which was named Yamamah ("The Dove" in Arabic). A large part of that money -- estimated at $80 billion -- has been kicked back to various ranking members of the Saudi Arabia Royal Family, and much of it has simply disappeared.

During the Reagan-Bush Administration, George H.W. Bush and a group of former CIA officers on his staff arranged for the Saudis to fund a series of secret wars in Central America and South Asia. A Pakistani bank, BCCI, was used to fund these secret wars along with pet projects of the Saudis, including the Pakistani nuclear program and global Jihadist paramilitary forces. Those joint projects by the Bush wing of the CIA and their Saudi partners were later known as the Iran-Contra, BCCI, AQ Khan, and al-Qaeda scandals.

After the Administration's Iraq War deception 2003, some in CIA, the Pentagon and the Justice Department moved to reign in the illegal Bush-Saudi covert operations, Israeli espionage, and related foreign influence buying schemes that have corrupted the White House and many GOP Congressmen and some Democrats. The federal prosecutions of Scooter Libby and the Cunningham-CIA contractor corruption cases are part of that effort to put the genie back in the bottle. Not surprisingly, this has proven extremely difficult, in greatest part because the corporate media has seen to it that the American people have no idea of what's been going on.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:13 PM
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131. Hey, the TIA aspect of this could become the most scary aspect
See my post #120 below re First American and its database, hence datamining, potential. If in the 'wrong hands', yours, mine, any US citizen's data, can be tweaked or used against you in or out of a court of law.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:08 PM
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137. America has not been "sending the Saudis tens of billions each year for decades," except if you mean
buying their oil from them is "sending billions each year." This is ridiculous.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:01 PM
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141. The oil revenue over the decades, alone,...
should have made them trillionaires. I can't believe the nation itself is in debt, where has it all gone? <cough, off shore>
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:07 PM
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142. But that was money spent by the U.S. to purchase oil --that is an open transaction, not some scandal
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:23 PM
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146. Of course, but the point is...

how has the money been spent and reinvested? We know from the Saudi's own public relations campaign that the Kingdom Holding company has invested heavily into American banking and media companies. We also know they have invested heavily in the military-industrial complex, including companies like the Carlyle Group. This is all perfectly legal as well.

What is starting to come to light is that "they" have been in control of much of the terror nexus as well. Now, within the Saudi ruling hierarchy I'm sure there are good guys and bad guys, and some effort has even been made to take care of the most obvious of the bad guys. The real question is, how much of the bad influence has taken control over our own government?? Also, how do you draw the line between good and evil when terror is used to feed the military-industrial-oil engine of the Western world?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:08 PM
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151. Middle Eastern foreigners controlling the media, government, international money reserves . . .
. . . wait a minute . . . I have heard this before somewhere.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:22 PM
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158. There's a HUGE difference...

Cold War era (and WWII for that matter) Jews were feared for having Communist leanings. The current cabal is as far right on the political spectrum as you can get.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 06:37 PM
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147. What do you think they've been doing with all that money?
They can't spend it all on palaces, and their income far exceeds what's needed for continued upstream oil production. They invest it abroad. Like all investors, they seek to safeguard their money.

Lacking a large standing army, aircraft carriers, airlift capability, and other means to project global power the Saudis rely on paid proxies, and stealth to get what they want. As much as possible they want to maximize their profits and control global market conditions and dictate terms of business. That requires dominance over intelligence, information media, and the ability to influence policy of consuming nations and countries where they have significant holdings.

Are you so naive as to believe that the Saudis don't exercise their own form of real politik, which includes political operations and espionage inside the U.S.? They would be the only major power that doesn't try.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:09 PM
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152. Sounds like an international media conspiracy with control over money, government, "influence" . . .
. . . wait a minute -- I have heard this before somewhere . . .
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:01 PM
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155. As I said, all major powers (and wannabes) try it. The Saudis succeed
more than most because of the sheer volume of money they bring to the table, and the long-term perception in the west until 9/11 that the Saudis presented no security threat and were nearly as incompetent as they are wealthy.

Add to that the close relationship the Abdullah wing of the Royal family's with the equally dynastic Bush family. The Bushes, as Prescott, Sr and Herbert Walker proved, were willing to do business with just about anyone, even Nazi Germany.

The Saudis viewed GHW was a natural pick in the US. Republican internationalist, who held control over the Right-wing of the American intelligence community. So, al-Turki and Bandar, on behalf of their brothers and cousins, entered into a long friendship with Bush and his political cronies.

With virtually unlimited funds, how could they lose?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:47 AM
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164. No, that's not it. Keep trying. Media and government run by monied semitic foreigners . . .
. . . are you getting warmer?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 07:45 PM
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167. Maybe you should read this interview of an insider....

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf

the "semitic" influence is clearly biased on the Saudi side.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:17 AM
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109. Damn well worth bookmarking
before the links disappear from the search engines.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:21 AM
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111. It'd sure be nice if some leaders would get control of the defense industry.
:rofl:

That's funny, huh!
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:36 PM
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117. Talk about the wag tailing the dog!
our government get control of the defense industry? I just read "When the Pentagon was for Sale" (Quaint, old days of Reagan) and it looked like a how-to manual. Even some of the same cast of characters.


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tnlurker Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:54 AM
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113. I'll read this later
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:37 PM
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118. You are brilliant... but you know that I I think that already:)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:50 PM
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120. Just saw Bourne Ultimatum and GHWB resembles the CIA guy
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 01:46 PM by EVDebs
running the sub rosa Blackbriar hit squad offing the occasional US citizen or foreign national reporter who 'gets in the way'

But who needs a brainwashed hit squad when you can outsource it to BCCI 'in the United States'

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/07later.h...

and use plausible deniability as your fig leaf. Saudi $ and Pakistani muscle.

And if I'm not mistaken, didn't one of the creators of First American Corporation have a naval intelligence background ? I thought it might be a company founder,


""OH2390

Kennedy, Donald Parker

An oral history with Donald Kennedy

Interviewed by Karen Hervey Reese

Date: March 20, 21, 1995

Language: English

Ephemera : photos

Project: Orange County Pioneer Council


Status: Complete transcript , 86 pp.

Abstract : Chairman of the First American Financial Corporation, discusses changes in the title insurance industry as experienced by the Orange County Title Company that was established by his grandfather, C. E. Parker. Explains the company's growth into an international business, First American Title Insurance Company; family involvement in the company; and major projects undertaken by the company. Recalls early ancestral personalities and gives highlights of his own wife and children. Was a successful golfer and served in the navy in World War II . Mentions some local Santa Ana personalities.""

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:4HlSrujH06AJ:coph....


And the company's website provides this tantalizing information:

http://www.firstam.com/content.cfm?id=5168&menu=70

"As the nations largest data provider, First American is able to use the vast information resources that the company currently houses to predict market trends and create solutions that can guide customers businesses. By looking at the data for patterns, First American is able to see through all of the data and provide customers with long-term solutions that help them to run their businesses more productively and with less risk....

With the success of its endeavors in Canada, First American used a similar business model to develop international operations around the world. First American was the first title insurance provider in Mexico, Korea, and Hong Kong, and has the leading market share in Australia and England. Today, First American continues to explore new international opportunities, as well as work with government officials and community leaders in developing nations to help these leaders create legislature that protects landowner rights and secures a stronger local economy. "

I thought ChoicePoint was the largest data provider but I was wrong. So if you want some TIA (total information awareness) this would be the place to assimilate. It seems Jimmie Carter, Stansfield Turner, Jackson Stephens, all attended Annapolis together. If First American's assistance in the BCCI affair was needed it would only take a phone call to Mr. Kennedy it would seem to me, and things would be off and running.

What would the Saudi connection be here ? Ptech / GoAgile maybe via software; and Alltel with phone links and Jackson Stephens ?

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:56 PM
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121. I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard more about this.
Not.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:26 PM
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124. The photo of a frowning Reagan is very telling---when was it taken?
He doesn't look very happy!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:31 PM
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153. I believe it was 1980, when Bush was running against Reagan for the GOP nomination.
Interesting contrast.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:29 PM
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125. BCCI
This is a great thread for information and this is my first post to DU.
I do not expect to post much.

This link is good to park here as related background, the Kerry Report on BCCI.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:34 PM
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126. Oh yess. BCCI is part of the picture. Definitely.
And welcome to DU.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:34 PM
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134. Allow me to be the first to say, Welcome to DU!
You'll hear that a lot until you get your first 1,000 posts. :hi:

If you've read the Kerry Report, you know the script, already. That was the template for every major international banking rip-off and covert op that followed. B-) :evilfrown:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:03 PM
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135. Thank you, and Welcome!
:hi:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:22 PM
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132. Time Magazine July 29, 1991 "The Dirtiest Bank Of All" - BCCI
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 02:28 PM by EVDebs
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,973481...

"B.C.C.I. even accomplished a Stealth-like invasion of the U.S. banking industry by secretly buying First American Bankshares, a Washington-based holding company with offices stretching from Florida to New York, whose chairman is former U.S. Defense Secretary Clark Clifford."

Did those ties ever go away ? What is First American doing nowadays, hmmm ? Largest database in the US and world ? That's very useful for those who want a central place to mess people over, kinda like a one-stop-shop for 'the goods' on anybody you're really after. But stop and think, would a third world terrorist really need to get on First American's database or would he/she avoid it like the plague ? The latter, of course. So if First American's database is mined for TIA by 'intelligence', who's really being terrorized now ? Seems safe to say the lawabiding citizens not the perps.

Ironic huh ?

The dataprocessing end of First American's operations had a Perot link too back in 1991

Perot Systems signs two multi-million clients - Robert Plan Corp., First American Bankshares Inc
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_1991_Apr...

but I don't know if things have changed since then...

More research is needed here to get to the bottom of his well.


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:28 PM
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138. You can bet Osama's not in the database.
None of the owners are--none of the Bin Ladens or Bushes for example.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #138
144. But he is mentioned in the index to Outlaw Bank, the book the Time reporters wrote
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 05:29 PM by EVDebs
So he was on the 'radar' screen as far back as the early '90s with these reporters, JONATHAN BEATY AND S.C. GWYNNE

http://www.namebase.org/sources/cL.html

Add to the mix at the time, Alan Friedman's book Spider's Web

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/17/161...

and an Italian bank with Georgia connections, Banco Nationale Lavoro,

and you get a bigger part of the early '90s mess caused by 'intelligence' arming Iraq and creating messes where none need have existed in the first place only for the sake of oil and The Kingdom.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:36 PM
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154. Wow.
Well, our connections to Osama no doubt go back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when we armed the Mujehedin, who were augmented by various Saudi Wahhabi types, some of them led by Osama.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:05 PM
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157. When seeing and hearing isn't believing
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 09:05 PM by EVDebs
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:31 PM
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133. kick
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:14 PM
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143. KIIIIIICK!!! This is the heart of many ills in this world.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:56 PM
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159. Anti christs, plural
"A few short months after his Inauguration on March 30, 1981 Ronald Reagan was shot in an assassination attempt by Presidential stalker John Hinckley, Jr. Characteristically, Reagan greeted wife Nancy as she visited him after surgery with "Honey, I forgot to duck" (borrowing Jack Dempsey's line to his wife the night he was beaten by Gene Tunney for the heavyweight championship." Interestingly enough, this episode had many of what would come to be considered the Christian Right (a major part of the Reagan Revolution) wondering if in fact Ronald Wilson Reagan might in fact be the prophesied anti-Christ because he survived a head wound and his full name had 6 characters in each part leading to the number 666.

Thankfully, it turns out that he wasn't the anti-Christ - though there are some that might still argue that - and he did recover to continue governing the country. This is also quite interesting because, as it turns out in the following years, it was Reagan's own strong Christian faith that lead to him referring to the USSR as the Evil Empire. He was even questioned at one point regarding the Star Wars defense program because he had been discussing Armageddon with some friends. Funny, you never know how things work out."

Ronald Reagan 666 ?
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 08:27 AM
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161. I saw this over TP...What does it mean?
bobh,

From PACER:

2/2/307 Arraignment:

Court waives fingerprinting with USM for security purposes.

Court also waives probation interview for the PSR for security purposes.

Court orders the govt to provide a updated status report regarding the investigation every 28 days to chambers under seal.

Also on 2/23/07, Kontogiannis was given permission to travel outside the country with the permission of the Feds.

On 7/23/07, Kontogiannis was ordered released from the custofy of US Marshalls, whatever that means. The same order mandated that Kontogiannis be fingerprinted.

Judge Burns first ordered the records unsealed at the end of May so whatever Tommy K was doing for the government between February and May was over.

Posted by: Nosybody
Date: August 7, 2007 5:28 PM
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:53 AM
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166. It means T.K. is a "cooperating gov't witness", which implies that he was "turned"
at some point. Perhaps, all along, he's been part of some latter-day ABSCAM investigation.

Do you know what THAT would imply?
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 08:35 AM
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162. Tom Tamm
#2: Over at DailyKos, Ballerina X asks if the Thomas M. Tamm whose home was raided by the FBI last week is the same Thomas M. Tamm who commented at Media Matters on July 25th. There, Tamm identifies himself as a "former DOJ lawyer" and raises the issue of political interference inherent in Gonzales' blocking U.S. prosecutors from pursuing Congressional contempt charges.

Name: Thomas M. Tamm
Hometown: Potomac, Maryland USA

Dear Eric: Is not the administration's position that they would not permit the U.S. Attorney to prosecute a Congressional Contempt referral an implicit admission that they allow politics to impact prosecutions? They are admitting that they would interfere with the independent judgment of a prosecutor on a specific case. I suggest that this is precisely what the firings of the U.S. Attorneys are ultimately about. Yes, they serve at the pleasure of the president, but they do not prosecute at the pleasure of the president. The White House is guilty of taking the blindfold off lady justice, not just covering her breasts. I am a former DOJ lawyer, for what that is worth.

link from Americablog OPEN thread

Posted by: CAROL LAM
Date: August 8, 2007 3:22 AM
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 08:36 AM
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163. Amazing.
Edited on Wed Aug-08-07 08:38 AM by Major Hogwash
The "fire Imus" thread in April got more recommendations than this thread.

Bookmarked this one.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:21 AM
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165. Bump up
k
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