House Debate on (Senate) FISA Bill Thread #2

[Tatiana]

Previous thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1514392

[babylonsister]

1. Thanks, and could you put #2 in title so no one gets confused? nt

[Tatiana]

3. Added, thanks! n/t

[rodeodance]

2. thanks. This is HOT

[rodeodance]

5. Conyers says he offended by Repug saying he Hated Pres and AG. Good for HIM

[rodeodance]

6. He did it nicely----NOT jump up like Repugs have done and say STRICK those works!

[rodeodance]

8. None of the Dems who have spoken have say AYE have they?

[rodeodance]

11. who is this? "interum measure" and will support it.

[annabanana]

4. What kind of a majority do we NEED here, anyway?

[karlrschneider]

12. Just a simple majority, I think...unless somebody pulled a dirty trick.

...

[rodeodance]

66. I really do not know. How do we find out?

[karlrschneider]

92. I really wish I knew. It's a debacle.

:grr:

[Tatiana]

7. Conyers talking about "reverse targeting."

Surveillance directed at a person located outside of the United States. There is your reverse targeting.

As Solly Mack indicated in the first thread, everyone outside the U.S. is a potential target.

[annabanana]

9. can we get some recs?

[Solly Mack]

10. unfortunate names for Congress people - Flake

[rodeodance]

14. was he a Dem or Repug? (He will support the bill)

[annabanana]

17. repug

[babylonsister]

13. Jay Inslee-go, guy! He's definitely not a Gonzo fan! nt

[rodeodance]

19. "don't pass this bill" he says.

[karlrschneider]

15. Jay Inslee...telling it like it is!

I love this guy

[SaveAmerica]

16. What happened to Republicans wanting less government? hmm?

[zabet]

18. K and R

Go Inslee!!!!

[Tatiana]

20. In the U.S. we don't let Alberto Gonzales intercept our email conversations without some degree

of judicial review. GO JAY INSLEE!

[Solly Mack]

21. I don't trust Gonzales....nothing comparative about it

[high density]

22. 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11

Destroying the Constitution is the only way to prevent another 9/11. We must do it!

[malaise]

29. Why this sudden non-stop terra?

I don't get it.

[karlrschneider]

31. They really truly do believe that, isn't that sad and scary?

:scared:

[rodeodance]

23. REC. and another fear monger is up

[NoodleyAppendage]

24. Yo Vito! Gonna have to crack some terrorist heads...the muthers.

What a chimp.

J

[annabanana]

Anyone want to take bets that Peter F*ckin' King gets up and

talks terra terra terra soon?

[Tatiana]

25. "9/11!" (Somebody knock back a shot....) n/t

[karlrschneider]

37. I'm jusht aboutt out of Crowwwwn Royal......here....

-thud-

[babylonsister]

26. 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 - ARRGGH! nt

[Terri S]

27. ah, the 9/11 tie in... had to happen...

give me your rights or we'll be blown up again...

[Solly Mack]

28. but it's OK to lose a parent in a "war"

[babylonsister]

36. 'Funny' that never comes up, isn't it. nt

[Solly Mack]

38. Yeah, real funny

[SaveAmerica]

40. It's almost the same number isn't it? At least 3,000 children are without

a parent because of Bush and Cheney's lies. He needs to be reminded of that.

[Solly Mack]

48. he doesn't care....

[annabanana]

52. Thornberry up lying his ass off. . . .n/t

[SaveAmerica]

30. Give us the power to stop Bush and Cheney from letting something

else happen to our country. That's the power I want.

[w8liftinglady]

32. how can these repubs live with themselves?..

I was a Libertarian for 20 years before I converted.FISA defies everything Republicans "should" believe in.My Dad is a Repub.He is shocked by the infringement on OUR rights.

[billyoc]

35. I hate republicans.

I also hate whatever these people are.

The republican party went away a long time ago.

[rodeodance]

41. I think that if Repuglicans actually read and THINK about this bill, they would do

a double take!!

[rodeodance]

49. ha ha, A Texan Repug says nothing about checks and balances have NOT

been totched in this bill.

what a JOKE he is.

[rodeodance]

55. "closes the gap"----HA HA he has the WH talking points.

[Tatiana]

46. It's no longer about principles with these people. It's about power and control.

States rights, smaller government, fiscal responsibility... they don't believe in any of that $hit if it infringes upon their imperial Bush monarchy.

[rodeodance]

33. DEm Scott======bet he does NOT support the way he is talking

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. Except for Reyes, all the Dems speaking are speaking STRONGLY against it.

I am keeping fingers and toes crossed that all the other Dems will follow suit.

We will also have the additional votes of the Progressives that voted against yesterday.

[IChing]

43. I just worry about the blue dog dimicrats

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. Same here IChing. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

39. Question. Is this going to be a straight up and down vote or will 2/3 apply? nt

[karlrschneider]

47. I don't even see how the hell they can HAVE a vote..there are about 14 people there

:wtf:

[michaz]

56. Where are they all?

[karlrschneider]

65. Who the fuck knows? Out having a drink somewhere, maybe??

????????????

[michaz]

73. After listening to all this, I need one too!

[karlrschneider]

85. It really is way beyond bizarre, isn't it? Trading incoherent babbling soundbites.

:mad:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

57. They'll all come creeping in when it's time to vote. It's almost a mystery when that happens.

Obviously there is little interest in the debate.

[rodeodance]

113. a post downstream says simple Majority NOt under suspension rules.

[partylessinOhio]

42. All the Repugs have is fear, fear, and 9-11 and George Bush says so.

For this they ask we surrender all our rights and futures.

This is so wrong - already agreed to by our Senate which has a Democratic majority.

How is this even believable?

:thumbsdown: :scared: :cry:

[L. Coyote]

44. Don't forget to recommend.

[Solly Mack]

45. checks and balances? what are those? how would anyone in Congress know?

[IChing]

59. Bobby Scott is saying what the data mining propblem we both see

[michaz]

51. K & R

[Solly Mack]

53. if shit was gold, they could balance the budget right this second

[w8liftinglady]

63. LOL-I am drunk-I can laugh at that-how pathetic!!!

[L. Coyote]

69. Send thee to the DUzies! And grow tons of mushrooms with the leftovers!

[VP505]

54. Jeez I don't

know how much more of this I can stomach watching. My blood pressure is probably sky high listening to the bullshit the RePukes are spewing.

[Gregorian]

58. Republicans think the Bill of Rights is a Bill of Goods. An inconvenience.

It is inconvenient. And it is inconvenient on purpose.

We're still fighting off King George all over again.


They all sound like used car salesmen. Have I got a car for you!

[rodeodance]

60. Bobby Scott, Dem is correcting a REpug. te he.

[L. Coyote]

61. Did Bush's Secrecy Endangered America? YES! Hiding Truth, Spying, FISA, and Trust Gonzo.

FROM: Did Bush's Secrecy Endangered America? YES! Hiding Truth, Spying, FISA, and Trust Gonzo.
L. Coyote Sat Aug-04-07 06:17 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1514312

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Did Bush's Secrecy Endangered America? YES! Hiding Truth, Spying, FISA, and Trust Gonzo.

A. Many months ago, a FISA court secretly ruled that it was illegal for the NSA to intercept communications routed through the USA.

B. Bush did nothing, except, of course, not reveal the secret ruling about the secret spying, because he had secretly violated the law himself.

C. Many months later, the secret FISA court ruling is revealed.

D. Bush blames Dems for not getting the fix on his desk overnight, want warrantless spying as a solution, and wants Gonzo to be the decider.

Geeee-eez, who needs math? Bush should have had this fixed overnight, many months ago, instead of guarding the secret!

NOW, in a masterful magic show of distraction, Bush and the Rs changed the issue by proposing that Gonzo be the decider on authorizing warrantless surveillance of Americans. Clever as all hell as distractions go, and everyone is falling for their sleight-of-hand magic show. But, didn't the Administration know about this when the FISA court handed down the ruling? ABSOLUTELY. But, they hid their dirty secret for political gain, and, epitomizing cynicism, now, when revealed, use it as a political tool.

CONCLUSION: Bush endangered America, knowing fully well the NSA could not legally intercept Al Queda communications routed through the USA, rather than let his dirty secrets get out! Damn simple. Who needs math? (Or maybe, he was violating the law and doing the spying anyway, so no worries mates.)

Tell me if I got any of this wrong, please.

And, which of the following is the likelier Bush scenario

A. illegally spying anyway, or
B. not fixing the problem to hide past crimes?

[annabanana]

62. Jane Harman . . she's good

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

70. And she's for it. Not so good IMHO. eom

[babylonsister]

76. Not from what I just heard. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

82. She said they will deal with changes before it sunsets. That means she's voting for it.

[rodeodance]

94. She fooled me also. thanks for having a clear head. I was getting excited and not listening.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

I was too and then she stopped me cold in my tracks. She might still vote against it but

KNOWS that it's going to pass. I keep and continue to keep hoping that maybe these guys will become true American heroes...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

102. The good thing, the Progressives that voted against it yesterday will vote against it tonight. eom

[billyoc]

97. Harman is DLC, she'll vote for it. n/t

[Solly Mack]

64. Well, gee, I thought they were out of the US...guess I made a "mistake"

[babylonsister]

67. Harman: violation of constitutional rights, need checks and balances,

doesn't want to repeat Senate's mistakes!

[brentspeak]

68. Bobby Scott is not a very persuasive speaker

Not exactly the guy the Democrats should get up there to speak to the public on this.

[rodeodance]

71. Jane Harman Dem. MY GOD---she actually is OPPOSING THIS BILL

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

74. No, she isn't. She said they'd deal with it before it sunsets. She's voting for it. eom

[babylonsister]

79. She also said the Senate made a mistake last night, so I'm confused now. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

91. OR, maybe she knows it's going to pass and she hopes to correct it before it sunsets??? eom

[rodeodance]

84. I did a double take as I typed. I was too excited.Damm. You are Right.

[partylessinOhio]

90. Harman is for it - my understanding.

[annabanana]

72. Why are "we poised to repeat the Senate's mistake"?

[high density]

75. Heather Wilson: I've got a need for more cowbell, err, I mean spying.

????

[Sonicmedusa]

81. I was thinking the same thing.

[Solly Mack]

Heather Wilson is a fool

[HughMoran]

83. tool

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

77. Heather WILSON, Repug!----GAP, GAP, TERROR TERRor woman on board!

[Tatiana]

78. Damn, I think Jane Harman is against it? n/t

[karlrschneider]

87. You thought wrong.

:puke:

[rodeodance]

88. She fooled me----right up until her last few words. She will do a AYE

[Bumblebee]

96. No. She is "we are in a vise" person who will vote for it even though it

does all these horrible things. Don't hold your breath.

[partylessinOhio]

80. Could someone smack these people upside their heads,

and do something terrible to Heather Bimbo!

[buzzard]

86. "Reasonably believed to be outside the US" right oops I thought you were from

Canada sorry.

[Solly Mack]

89. Yes - let's clap for trash

[Lochloosa]

93. Time for #3?

[brentspeak]

95. Heather Wilson just lied out of both her ears and her nostrils

She said "it would allow warrantless surveillance of those outside the country who are reasonably believed to be terrorists"...

No, it would allow warrantless surveillance for anybody believed to be terrorists. That's the whole point: Gonzo doesn't need to prove to anyone that someone is "reasonably believed" to be a terrorist.

[rodeodance]

98. another Dem just said NO.

[Solly Mack]

99. Instead of getting rid of an AG like Gonzales, he gets more power

Hello?????

LMAO

[rodeodance]

100. anyone know if we need a simple majority or 2/3 like last night??

[rodeodance]

103. Watt, Dem saying Terrorists win if we give up our Con. rights tonight by voting for his bill.

[rodeodance]

105. now, jan Sharkowski. She is good (Dem). talking of giving up our Liberties.

[billyoc]

104. simple majority, without further changes.

It's not under suspension, IIRC.

[rodeodance]

109. THANK YOU for this INFO. I missed the beginning.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

110. Why am I not surprised? eom

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

116. BTW! Thanks for the information! eom

[pinto]

101. Rep Watt brought up a primary sticking point = AG Gonzales.

[w8liftinglady]

106. Man-the Dems have SO outmatched the Repubs

and this is something that Repubs have been in favor of in the past-personal freedom.I know-I was a Libertarian for 20 years.They have officially sold their souls.

[IChing]

107. Cohen is up and he is good...yeah

[rodeodance]

112. He and others have said tonight they do NOT trust Gonzo

[Wiley50]

121. RE: Cohen : It's nice to really have a firebrand Tennessean

I'm damned proud of that guy!

[Solly Mack]

108. Someone start thread 3, please. I'm horribly lazy...thanks :)

[Tatiana]

111. Thread #3 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1514971

[L. Coyote]

114. ***** House Debate on (Senate) FISA Bill Thread #3 *****

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1514971

[rodeodance]

115. Dem. Joe. S. Navy bet. sounds good so far. he will do a NO. YEah

[rodeodance]

117. Repug saying he heard a lot of hate tonight but he talks Hate. Whow!

[rodeodance]

118. Liberal Dems, Janet Reno, children burning. whow. what a NUT case!

[malaise]

119. That was frightening

He said if Dems don't pass the legislation, they will be responsible for a terrorist act. They are worse than school yard bullies.

[Wiley50]

120. Waco and Ruby Ridge? Tiahirt is one Weirdo Wacko! n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

125. Ruby Ridge happened under bush 1, but they always forget that. They blame

Clinton for what happened before he was sworn in.

[rodeodance]

122. Hoyer up. I wonder where he is going?

[babylonsister]

123. I hope the 'left' way! nt

[rocktivity]

124. I have YET to be told why the spying can't be done WITHOUT a warrant...

:crazy:
rocknation