OFFICIAL Thread #2--- HOUSE SESSION, they are WILD today: (bit of RECAP):

[rodeodance]

It all started at the Midnight Hour--late Thrusday night. The argument was over ILLEGAL immigrants getting WELFARE (Agriculture bill --an amendment was being voted on that allowed food stamps for illegal immigrant kids).
very close vote. both sides think they won---gavel went down before Repugs thought the vote was finished and critters on both sides thought they won.Repugs were outraged and walked out of the House.

AT 9 am today, House gavelled in. Lots of polite talk. Boener and Hoyer agreed to recess for a bit to talk about what to do about vote last night. During this time Repugs called a Press Conference. Lots of name calling, whinning (Repugs). Dems did not have a news conf as far as I know.

Reid and Pelosi had a PRE-scheduled news conference. Harry looked very tired---he listed some accomplishments and asked that the Repugs and WH work with the Dems to get the appropriations bills done (recall Bush yesterday took the approach of just lecturing the Dems for not getting the bills done!!).

Pelosi looked good. Talked of the Mississippi River road issue. Then gave a list of accomplishments.

She and Harry both talked about the passage of 9/11 recommendations and Bush signing today--with Pelosi saying the commission had made the reccomendations 3 years ago but WH not implement----now they HAVE TO.



This afternoon the House came back. The bill was about FiSA-----Heather Wilson got upset and motioned for an adjournment. The issues with voting machines on the floor. Lots of interruptions and questions from Repugs. Kids on the Floor today




Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Alcee Hastings just reamed the Rethugs on the house floor
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1504664#1504664
1504664, Alcee Hastings just reamed the Rethugs on the house floor
Posted by u2spirit on Fri Aug-03-07 12:48 PM

The rethugs are piss/moaning about Fisa law. Hastings just yelled at the rethugs for 2 minutes at a fever pitch. It is getting real ugly folks. I wouldn't be surprised to see a fist fight break out by the end of business today.



Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject HOUSE session LOTS OF ACTION Official Thread# 1 (cspan1)
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1504925#1504925
1504925, HOUSE session LOTS OF ACTION Official Thread# 1 (cspan1)
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Aug-03-07 01:18 PM


HOUSE session LOTS OF ACTION Official Thread# 1

Right now Heather wilson contested the bill (Fisa related)---she asked for an ajounment. House
is now voting on it.

Here are a few threads: I will try to find more in a bit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1504664



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_go_co/congress_notebook;_ylt=AgyGYwWNONllP2Vfz3ZKsyCyFz4D
Republicans angry over House vote

By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - House Democrats apologized Friday for wrestling what appeared to be a winning vote away from Republicans Thursday night.

Republicans continued to steam, however, over the episode in which they appeared to be the winners by a 215-213 tally on a procedural motion designed to make sure illegal immigrants would not get certain benefits from an agriculture spending bill.

Instead, with several lawmakers milling in the well of the House registering votes, Rep. Michael McNulty, D-N.Y., gaveled the vote to a close, saying the GOP measure had failed on a 214-214 tie.

Republicans erupted, chanting "shame, shame, shame," and then walked out in protest after McNulty permitted further Democrats to switch their votes to prevail 216-212. Despite winning that tally, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., moved for a revote as permitted under the rules, and Democrats prevailed again.
........

There are a few posts:

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject "The IMPERIAL DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY" ROTFLMAO! Pence, repuke, just said that about the Democrats.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1503633#1503633
1503633, "The IMPERIAL DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY" ROTFLMAO! Pence, repuke, just said that about the Democrats.
Posted by in_cog_ni_to on Fri Aug-03-07 10:22 AM

On C-SPAN 1....the repukes are on LIVE whining about the vote last night and Pence had the freakin' NERVE to refer to the Democrats in the House as "The IMPERIAL Democratic Majority." :rofl::rofl:

They've all lost their memories! HELP...call Dr. Frist!!! :rofl:



Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Alcee Hastings just reamed the Rethugs on the house floor
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1504664#1504664
1504664, Alcee Hastings just reamed the Rethugs on the house floor
Posted by u2spirit on Fri Aug-03-07 12:48 PM

The rethugs are piss/moaning about Fisa law. Hastings just yelled at the rethugs for 2 minutes at a fever pitch. It is getting real ugly folks. I wouldn't be surprised to see a fist fight break out by the end of business today.


............

House during first 30 minutes of Friday am. (Lots of shouting--Repugs had walked out

Thrus evening and the rukus continued this am)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1502644&mesg_id=1502644



C-span RE-played the Thrusday night walk out by Repugs on Friday am.

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject on cspan on ---last nights fight where Repugs walked out.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1503218#1503218
1503218, on cspan on ---last nights fight where Repugs walked out.
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Aug-03-07 09:29 AM

Forum Name Political Videos
Topic subject (1:03) of the House screaming match last night
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x45157#45157
45157, (1:03) of the House screaming match last night
Posted by underpants on Fri Aug-03-07 09:57 AM


.......
I could only find this article about the event:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0807/House_erupts_in_chaos.html


August 03, 2007
Read More: Bad behavior

House erupts in chaos

In a massive flare-up of partisan tensions (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv), Republicans walked out on a House vote late Thursday night to protest what they believed to be Democratic maneuvers to reverse an unfavorable outcome for them.

The flap represents a complete breakdown in parliamentary procedure and an unprecedented low for the sometimes bitterly divided chamber.

The rancor erupted shortly before 11 p.m. as Rep. Michael R. McNulty (D-N.Y.) gaveled close the vote on a standard procedural measure with the outcome still in doubt.

Details remain fuzzy, but numerous Republicans argued afterward that they had secured a 215-213 win on their motion to bar undocumented immigrants from receiving any federal funds apportioned in the agricultural spending bill for employment or rental assistance. Democrats, however, argued the measure was deadlocked at 214-214 and failed, members and aides on both sides of the aisle said afterward.
........................

The official House website did not show a record of the vote as of 1 a.m. Friday.
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http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2007/08/republicans-walk-out-on-procedural.html

Fri Aug-03-07 11:47 AM
Original message
Republicans Walk Out On Procedural Matter
Friday, August 03, 2007
Republicans Walk Out On Procedural Matter
- by Kyle E. Moore -

In what Politico calls an "unprecedented low", Republicans late last night walked out of the chamber in the midst of a incredibly close vote partially tied to illegal immigration.

The vote was gaveled closed by Rep. McNulty whith the results still in dispute. Republicans say they had an extremely narrow lead of 215 to 213, while Democratic leadership called it at a tie. Amid vast protest, there was even talk of reopening the vote, but the already incensed Republicans staged a walk out.

But Politico gets it wrong in one aspect. This isn't unprecedented. Indeed, there's plenty of precedent, for instance, back in the summer of '05, Republicans stormed out after Democrats wanted to actually, you know, debate the Patriot act. And again, this time only in committee, Republican members staged a mini walkout over voting machines.

Because this is incredibly mature behavior of our elected officials. Not that Democrats are above criticism here, gavelling a measure closed before the voting results is clear is not a good thing, but from the sounds of it, Dems were moving to rectify the situation. Walking out, on the other hand, is something even my three-year-old knows better than...........

.............

[rodeodance]

1. hi all, back for another good session???

[rodeodance]

2. well, a Repug is dissing a Dem. So it goes

[rodeodance]

3. We have a gentlewoman up with the gavel-maybe she can keep order??

[rodeodance]

4. oh for Pete sakes-another game--they want to Adjoun

[rodeodance]

5. k

[rodeodance]

6. k

[MiniMe]

8. That was the revote from earlier when the voting machine display wasn't working

Heather Wilson called for a recess because she didn't get her amendment in

[rodeodance]

13. I did not know as I came in a few minutes late. but yes I recall the Health Wilson huplala.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. They KNOW this isn't going to pass. They're just stalling. What a bunch of

assholes. I would be so embarrassed to call myself a repuke.

[rodeodance]

18. that little Tx Rx even admitted it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. GREAT recap, rodeo!

:hi:

[rodeodance]

10. thanks. I am off work today. I just heard they will be in session tomorrow.

[myrna minx]

11. Thanks for this recap. I had no idea what was going on.

K&R.

[porphyrian]

12. Heh, look at the nays. Miss your flights, Republibitches. - n/t

[rodeodance]

14. can you all keep this kicked. I have slow dial up and it is REALL SLOW today

[rodeodance]

15. k

[rodeodance]

16. anyone know WHO the chairwoman is?-the gaveller.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. No. I didn't see her.

[displacedtexan]

19. K & R

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Yep. I'll keep it kicked.

[rodeodance]

24. "the White House offered an eleventh-hour accord to Democrats -Bush back off

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Bush says Congress must stay in session until it passes new spying law
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2940501#2940501
2940501, Bush says Congress must stay in session until it passes new spying law
Posted by Purveyor on Fri Aug-03-07 11:32 AM

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON — President Bush said today that Congress must stay in session until it approves legislation modernizing a U.S. law governing eavesdropping on foreigners.

"So far the Democrats in Congress have not drafted a bill I can sign," Bush said at FBI headquarters, where he was meeting with counterterror and homeland security officials. "We've worked hard and in good faith with the Democrats to find a solution, but we are not going to put our national security at risk. Time is short."

The president said that lawmakers must not leave for their August recess this weekend as planned unless they "pass a bill that will give our intelligence community the tools they need to protect the United States."

Earlier today, the White House offered an eleventh-hour accord to Democrats in the negotiations over the matter, saying it would agree to a court review of its foreign intelligence activities instead of leaving certification up to the attorney general and director of national intelligence.



Read more: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003820002_websurveillance03.html

[rodeodance]

25. and thanks

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Since when can the Executive branch tell the legislative branch what to do??!!

arrogant little shit.

[porphyrian]

23. Sure. Hmm, 3 rep. nays. Now 4. 5. Not that it matters much, but interesting. - n/t

[cspanlovr]

Only 6:50 left to vote. Are the repugs out in the hall holding their breath,

till they get what they want?

[RadiDem]

20. Just turned on C-SPAN / What happens after this vote?

[rodeodance]

26. Fisa modernization bill , Mississppi bridge $$.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. They will go back to either debating this bill, I think....The repukes have their version

and the Dems have theirs.

[Gelliebeans]

22. Awesome Recap

Thanks so much rodeodance for this. I for one appreciate the great work.

[rodeodance]

28. you are welcome. It was actually rather fun watching these turkeys today

[aquart]

58. Second that.

It was really helpful.

[NV Whino]

27. Thanks for the recap

No TV here.

[loudsue]

30. If it was that close, it means that the DLC is voting with the repugs again

DAMN THE DLC!!! DAMN THEM TO HELL!!!

:kick:

[porphyrian]

31. No, all of the Democrats voted nay. (Actually, 14 were no-votes.) - n/t

[loudsue]

93. Can't be: We have a greater majority in congress than this.

"Instead, with several lawmakers milling in the well of the House registering votes, Rep. Michael McNulty, D-N.Y., gaveled the vote to a close, saying the GOP measure had failed on a 214-214 tie.

Republicans erupted, chanting "shame, shame, shame," and then walked out in protest after McNulty permitted further Democrats to switch their votes to prevail 216-212. Despite winning that tally, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., moved for a revote as permitted under the rules, and Democrats prevailed again."

It is NOT a one-vote majority in the house, only in the senate.

:kick:

[rodeodance]

32. they are going to the REpug news photo op (I found it very Hurtful)

[rodeodance]

35. actually, I do not which conf. they switched to during this vote

[displacedtexan]

34. Motion to adjourn fails, Rs whine

Dems are smiling.

Love it.

[rodeodance]

37. smile. whatever that news conf. is they are asking if Boener leaked the info

that is of issue now-the fast track Fisa bill

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. Here we go again!!! Wanna bet she calls for adjournment again when she doesn't get her way?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

38. Do these people seriously want Gonzo in charge of this stuff?

Are they really that stupid? I just don't get it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. YES, they do! He must be in charge to cover up all their CRIMES.

[Buttercup McToots]

41. Not stupid...

Very very smart and very scary...

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

48. It's just kinda horrifying to watch this lockstep crap again. Delay is gone,

I thought they might have gotten strong w/o him strong arming them.

[rodeodance]

40. Heather Wilson was on Jane Harman this am. Healter isa NOODLE

[rodeodance]

43. Heather keeps asking for the Director of Nat. Intell to her in here so he can approve the Dem bill

[JTFrog]

42. Heather says she'd rather

work this out quietly behind the scenes. I bet she would.

[rodeodance]

44. and believe me she HATES it that she has to talk to Jane Harman

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Harman just explained what the repukes want...give Gonzo ALL THE POWER...ignore the courts!

[buzzard]

47. She was sounding reasonable or am I missing something?

[rodeodance]

54. The DOJ is a appointed by the WH. Dems want a separation

[in_cog_ni_to]

62. No. You didn't miss anything. They want Gonzo to have all the power so he can cover up all their

crimes...past and future crimes.

[pinto]

63. She made a good, concise wrap up of one main issue: Gonzo.

And maintaining a legal framework for intelligence activities.

:kick:

[rodeodance]

46. yes, we do need a legal framework and Heather ould give that to Gonzo

[rodeodance]

49. glad the TX critter (repug) yeilded his time!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. damn scary!

[MiniMe]

51. If they start using Fatherland instead of Homeland

we are in big trouble. I think we are almost there.

[in_cog_ni_to]

53. It won't be long.

:(

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

56. It feels the exact same to me and everytime I hear it I want to puke. eom

[aquart]

83. Me, too.

[aquart]

52. They can dish it out but they can't take it.

My how they squeal when one percent of what they did to us is done to them. Poor little victims.

[rodeodance]

59. "Imperial Democrates"--they used this word several times today

[aquart]

86. They always call us what's true for THEM. They want the empire.

They want Emperor George to have sole rule and divine right.

[ljm2002]

55. Hoekstra is giving an impassioned speech...

...against a clause of the bill that Jane Harman already said is out of the bill.

:wtf:

Are they just talking past each other, or is he just a dissembling idiot Republic? Or am I getting senile? Maybe all three...

:-)

[KoKo]

57. It finally hit me...Repugs don't realize they DON'T Control It All...Anymore!

They just can't get over that they have lost and will lose and lose again and again. They push them selves around like the Bullies who always got their way...but they've been left in the dust.

[aquart]

60. They lost BECAUSE they're bullies. And everybody saw it.

[Buttercup McToots]

61. Yes

Bullies....

[Buttercup McToots]

64. Who was that guy?

He a dem?

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. Yes, he's a Dem.

[Buttercup McToots]

66. So I heard that they upped the threat level for Congress?

?

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Sessions just read the Director of Intelligence's recommendation...dictated to him by BUSH and the

repukes expect the Dems to accept it!:rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

71. I think like Hastings did say that, the Democrats have to keep making the point that the DNI is

a Bush/Cheney tool.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

68. On to the MN bridge amendment.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

78. So the Republicans are voting NO for the MN bridge amendment.

WTF?

[pinto]

69. The gentleman from Florida refuses to yield to the gentlewoman from New Mexico.

He's doing a good job on a feisty floor.

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. He BLASTED her this morning! Whooee...was he maaaaad!

[pinto]

And, he's outmaneuvering Sessions by a long shot.

[rodeodance]

70. WHOW------WTH is going ON!! D em speaker just said the "WH order the Director

to put out that memo!! WHO

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

74. And the Democrats are going to have to keep saying that. Actually, I believe I heard

over the break on C-Span, that Cheney ordered it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. NO kidding! I didn't know that. An even BETTER reason to NOT accept it!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

80. Exactly! eom

[aquart]

Alcee Hastings.

I'm so grateful for c-span because I thought that was a girl's name. It is, instead, a fine and able gentleman.

[in_cog_ni_to]

81. He's awesome. :) He brought his attitude with him today! I'm so glad

they're finally standing up to these thugs.

[aquart]

91. It is a lovely thing, isn't it.

The Republicans really think we don't remember what they did when they had the majority?

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. LOL! The Democrats have found a backbone today!

[rodeodance]

76. well, the DEm leader just got lots of claps

[rodeodance]

79. AYES are louder!------at least they do not need a SUPRAmajority

[blogslut]

73. Go Alcee Hastings!

Riding the wild bill! He's got the reigns and that Heather Wilson better step off.

[rodeodance]

84. Can someone start a # 3 thead plese (i have go for a bit)--Thanks.

[Buttercup McToots]

82. Is there something going on or is it just me?

I just have a feeling that there is some kind of maneuvering going on...
I don't know much about procedure but I feel like some chess pieces are
being moved just out the corner of my eye...I feel a sense of strength and confidence
in the Dems...even a non-vocal hee hee hee....
Just me?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

85. A vote is going on for a resolution~

Meanwhile, cspan is showing a clip of Reid et Pelosi from earlier today. 10 minutes left on vote.

[porphyrian]

87. I think they're voting on whether to consider voting on FISA and Minnesota bridge funds.

It's amazing these people ever get anything done.

[pinto]

88. HOUSE THREAD #3 is up. It's here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1506226

[rodeodance]

90. thanks will go there now.

[rodeodance]

89. What's in the FISA Bill-----by babylonsister post:

orum Name General Discussion
Topic subject What's in the FISA Bill?
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1506210#1506210
1506210, What's in the FISA Bill?
Posted by babylonsister on Fri Aug-03-07 04:01 PM

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003861.php

What's in the FISA Bill?
By Spencer Ackerman - August 3, 2007, 4:46 PM

From the Bush administration's perspective, the House proposal to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act goes way too far to restrict the intelligence community from collecting crucial information on terrorists. Yet looking at the bill, it's hard to see what the White House's objections could be.

For one thing, as TPMmuckraker reported earlier today, under the bill, the primary role for the FISA Court is in issuing generalized surveillance warrants for "persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States." Those warrants don't have to name their targets, nor locate where the surveillance will take place if the attorney general shows that the surveillance methods used will mostly exclude U.S. citizens and residents. Such warrants will be approved, according to section 105(c)(1)(C), if the FISA judge determines that collecting "foreign intelligence information" is merely a "significant purpose" of the AG's request.

What happens to U.S. persons who may be tapped? There isn't any requirement for a probable-cause-derived warrant to continue surveillance on them. Instead, the attorney general would only have to create "guidelines" for surveillance on people in the U.S. as the result of one of the aforementioned warrants. Every 60 days the Justice Department's inspector general would have to report to the FISA Court and to the Congressional intelligence committees on compliance -- including handing over a list of names of those U.S. citizens and residents under surveillance during that time period. Nothing in the bill indicates any power for either the court or Congress to do anything about any American caught in the surveillance web.

Additionally, for reasons that aren't explained, the attorney general gets one last dalliance with warrantless surveillance: he can authorize surveillance for up to 15 days after the bill's passage if he says there's an "emergency situation," and the court can bless an extension of not longer than another 30 days.

The Bush administration doesn't get everything it wants under this bill. There is still, after all, some role for the FISA Court. There's no post-facto approval of FISA warrants, as Admiral McConnell wanted. And there's no retroactive liability from lawsuits brought against telecommunications companies who complied with warrantless NSA surveillance from 2001 to 2006. But on most issues, the House bill provides a great deal of flexibility to the president, who today said that "so far the Democrats in Congress have not drafted a bill I can sign. We've worked hard and in good faith with the Democrats to find a solution, but we are not going to put our national security at risk."

Update: See Marty Lederman and Jack Balkin for more.

[aquart]

92. See, I don't wanna give him ANYTHING.

Rewarding bad behavior is just poor training. It sets a bad example for parents and children. And nations.