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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:46 PM
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For a change, Joe Lieberman should be commended on one thing
I stipulate forcefully, Joe Lieberman has been a disappoinment
to many. I do not need to state why. We all know that.

Liberals are or should be known for their openmindedness and fairness.

Capitol News, C-Span had a news item. Lieberman calls for a WarTax
to fight the wider war on Terrorism.

This is important . The Bush Budget reflects the astronomical costs
Iraq and Afganistan have racked up. My friends, monies will be taken
from every program in the budget to help pay off this debt. Think of
all the money we have borrowed from China,Japan, Mexico, Taiwan to
keep this thing going. We pay interest on this debt. It still
has to be paid back. In the meantime, we cannot insist on China
being fair in Trade Practices or any foreign policy. We are
indebted to them. Somehow, we and our children or grandchildren
will be paying this one off.

Lieberman is referring to the wider war on Terrorism. We all know
whomever becomes President, the Terrorism War goes on. It appears
Lieberman sees as I do that in time all our government services
will suffer as we expand the wars. We can reach a point where
we cannot afford Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security any government
services. The Republicans will love this --gives them a reason
to end these "give aways'" as they call them.

Until Vietnam, every War this country fought was paid for by a war
tax. Everyone Paid, the Richest to the Poor. Yes, The Corporations
took civic responsibity and stepped up to the plate. Shared Sacrifice
was considered a good thing and the people stuck together.

Wars are not cheap. Therefore, I commend Joe Lieberman for
stepping up , seeing a need, and calling for a solution.
Liberals are openminded and fair. I am complimenting for
this action.

When Geermany particpated in Gulf War, they initiated a tax
with a sunset provision. A Date Certain after the war ended
the Tax would end. Each Citizen contributed a small amount
and it added up to a sum needed for the country.





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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:48 PM
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1. Oh please... If he really cared he'd demand an end to the Bush tax cuts.
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 01:48 PM by Beelzebud
He wants to keep the tax cuts for the rich, and tax everyone in the middle.

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining...
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:53 PM
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3. Exactly; what Lieberman is proposing would fall on everybody,
and be much more regressive. Regressive is in general a good epithet for Liebertoad.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:59 PM
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15. Right now the poor and Middle Class
are paying for the war and also providing their children as
soldiers.

I am certain they would find ways to make it eqitable.

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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:01 PM
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20. Your trust that "they would find ways to make it eqitable" is
most touching. When have "they" ever found ways to make it equitable? More specifically, when was the tax code last changed in a more progressive direction?
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:10 PM
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24. And I'm sure there will be a loophole for the war profiteers.
Can't cut into those profits since that's why we're fighting wars.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:48 PM
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2. Fuck Joe Lieberman. The bad far outweighs the good.
I don't give a shit about anything he does.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:55 PM
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4. Are you going to let your dislike of the person
completely cloud the issue.

Joe did not vote for the Bush Taxcuts. He made a press
appearance to explain the country could not afford
the Bush TaXcuts.

Please do not make me defend Joe.

Fair is fair.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:57 PM
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10. Yep.
Just like I do Bush, Cheney, et al.
They are all cut from the same (sack) cloth.
You can bet if Joe did ANYTHING...that it benefited him in one way or the other.
Ole Joe doesn't do anything for anyone but himself.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:59 PM
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16. Fair is fair?
Ok. I'll play.

Who OWNS this war? Joe does.

He's the head cheerleader for it. He challenges people's patriotism. He "projects" bullshit everywhere he goes.

No clouded judgement here. Facts are facts. Period.

Let Joe take out a loan if he wants to pay for this war. I'm not going to fund a bunch of murdering traitors who have NO regard for RULE OF LAW or the well-being of MY country.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:55 PM
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5. Remember the 87b bill Kerry voted FOR? That had war PAID for by re-instating tax on top 1%
and the money was targeted for fully equpping the troops.

He voted AGAINST the 87b that was unpaid for with no accounting system in place for where the money was spent.

Joe sided with Bush then, when he should have sided with Kerry.

Now Joe says a war tax is the way to go. He KNEW that three years ago.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:58 PM
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13. that whole issue just pissed me off so much
Nobody knows the facts, they just liked a stupid ass catch phrase!

:grr:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:55 PM
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6. No way. Not from me.
Joe, Little Lord Pissypants and McCain OWN this war. I don't want ANY of MY tax dollars funding this immoral and illegal war.

Like Americablog (Aravosis) says...
"Take out a loan, Joe." Pay for this YOURSELF!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:59 PM
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14. actually they should vote themselves a benefit cut
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 01:59 PM by MissWaverly
I am sure that a 20% reduction across the board of all perks and benefits that Congress
enjoys would add to a hefty sum, just like the cost of running Air Force One for the
Vacation King.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:00 PM
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18. Hiya! Nice to see you.
:hi:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:03 PM
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22. HI, Fooj
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 02:09 PM by MissWaverly
Hey, just how much does it costs to run the Air Force One plane, Ray Naygin called it a flying penthouse.

See this snip from USA Today.

Usually, that means paying a few hundred or a few thousand dollars for the president and a handful of aides. It's a minuscule sum, compared to the $56,800-per-hour the Air Force estimates it costs to run Air Force One.

It is an advantage that Bush and other presidents before him have enjoyed. President Clinton frequently was criticized by Republicans for his record-setting use of Air Force One in the campaign season, and Bush is exceeding Clinton's pace.

"It's really something that's abused," said Bill Allison, managing editor of the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit, government watchdog group.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...


:-)
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:56 PM
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7. I f you want the war to end this is a good idea.
When Joe six pack has to pay for the war out of his pocket now instead of his kids then the war has a problem. If everyone has to sacrifice a little then it becomes a major problem for them. The they will demand that bush get us the hell out of HELL.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:56 PM
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8. Crap: end the tax cuts for the filthy rich.
For example, the estate tax repeal is going to cost 1 Trillion Dollars over 10 years. There's your war tax right there.

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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:56 PM
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9. Screw LIEberMe
We all have to work hard in 2008 to get some more Dems elected to the Senate so we can kick his sorry puke ass to the curb and finally rid ourselves of him.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:58 PM
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11. I see your point. This will NOT endear him to the GOP, so for once he's not kissing their
butts, thank heaven. What party is Lieberman this week?

Why not simplify the whole thing by just repealing *'s massive tax cut for the most wealthy? That's a no brainer. But, of course, Lieberman hasn't got the stones.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:58 PM
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12. End the freakin' war, Joe and you won't NEED a dumb ass 'War Tax.'
SIMPLE! Asshole.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:07 PM
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23. We could end the war in Iraq tomorrow BUT
the wider war on Terrorism will continue. A Democratic
President will have to Continue the War or if a Republican
Wins he will have to continue the War on Terrorism.


this is one of my main points. Wars will drain the budget.

We must separate in our minds--Iraq War from Wider War on
Terrorism.

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:14 PM
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26. Please define the war on terrorism?
What exactly makes it a war? Who is it against?

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:46 PM
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30. Define the war on Terrorism--
To be absolutely honest I cannot define War on Terrorism.

I see it as a struggle between Ideology. Since the Terrorists
(those who use their Religion as reason to attack the West and
what they percieve it stands for.) I do no see them as attacking
us because we believe in freedom.

I see them as people threatened by the very idea of having to
move from, in some cases, a Tribal Lifestyle with ancient beliefs
and traditions. Eye for an eye--beheading enemies . Their
struggle as I see it is against Modernity. The West in particular
represents the very worst of Modernity to them. They have determined
that money is essential to us to make our world work. Thus the
World Trade Center has been hit twice by Terrorists.
For some having "Infidels" in their country is an abomination.
For some, from where they stand,they see the Israli-Palestinian conflict
as a reason to attack. In other words it is complicated and
many things including their perception we are on the side of
their "despot" leaders.

For whatever reason, they attack and try to destroy what they can.

Our government determined to fight back using military might.
This is how it became to be called War on Terrorism.

We could pull out of Iraq tomorrow and going after terrorist
(do not call it war) would still be the number one issue.
If a Democrat wins, the war on terror will be their lst
responsibilty. If a Republican wins, it will be their
first responsiblity. Ask your favorite candidate.
Iran, Hezbelloh, hamas, the list goes on, Oh yes
Syria harbors terrorists. It all depends on how
we deal with them. There is no candidate who is not
aware of this responsibilty. Hillary said she would
end the War In Iraq, --



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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 05:57 PM
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33. I'm not surprised, no one can define it. It's not really a war.
So we shouldn't be funding "it". Instead we should spend the money on real security measures at our ports and perhaps actually listen to warnings of impending attacks, and deal with terrorist activity through intelligence - real intelligence - and police type work and not by spending trillions of dollars invading an "innocent" (in relation to 9/11 & WMDs) sovereign nation.

If we had spent all that money on realistic things can you imagine how far we'd be in this "war on terror"? It isn't a war, it's nothing we should be going out and fighting with or military. I really wish people would stop using those nonsensical phrases about wars on terror and drugs etc... we shouldn't buy into that and repeat it.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:23 PM
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28. We could put a soldier at every 5 feet around our borders for a FRACTION of what this damn war costs
We could also inspect every container coming into this country for a FRACTION of what this war costs....what MORE do you need to fight that supposed 'war on terror?' Terror! Terror! Terror!

The cost of Protecting this country from the INSIDE wouldn't be even close to the cost of this damn war.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 06:18 PM
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35. The only reason there's a "War on terrorism" is because this administration...
...allowed 9/11 to happen - AT BEST.

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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:00 PM
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17. I'll give Joe credit
He expels carbon dioxide which is needed by plants to make oxygen.

That's the only useful purpose he serves.

TlalocW
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:15 PM
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27. He uses the oxygen too so it's a wash. nt
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:01 PM
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19. Extra! Extra! Lieberman flip-flops on how to pay for war!!
Remember, during the 2003-04 Democratic Presidential primary debates when Sen. Lieberman blasted Gov. Howard Dean for his position on rescinding Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy to pay for Iraq and the war on terror as a position that would start a Dean Depression, well looks like Lieberman has finally agreed, at least partially, with his Democratic arch-nemesis. The difference between Liebermans and Deans position is that Dean wanted those who profited the most off of unneeded tax cuts and war spending to shoulder the bulk of the burden. Lieberman wants the poor and Middle Class, not those who contributed to his re-election campaign, to bear the burden of his and President Bushs horribly bad judgment on Iraq.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Sen. Lieberman!
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not_a_robot Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:02 PM
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21. I could go for this
Als long as it was selective. For instance all GE products should be taxed 50%, fox products likewise, and any corporations that contributed to the bush campaign at least 25% depending on their contribution. All corporations and other business people that contribute to 'thinktanks, their lobbyist drones, and other forms of human shells should have associated products taxed at 20%. That would do nicely.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:11 PM
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25. Oh goody. Permanent financing for his PNAC wet dream
Using the thought of helping people who are being forked by his warmongering.

No thanks.

Joe can blow me.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:47 PM
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37. Hear, hear!!!
Very well stated. Except Joe can just bite me.

Jeeeze, I despise that man.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:44 PM
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29. If I thought the tax would be done fairly
I probably wouldn't object. But no way that * and his greedy Freeper, Fundie, Corporate hypocritical friends would pay. They would make sure that there was a large loophole so that the wealthiest paid only a fraction while the middle class shared the burden. And they would probably disguise it in something fair sounding like hmm "flat tax". :eyes:
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:49 PM
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31. So what the hell am I paying now? Get real. I can barely afford to keep my heat and electricity goin
and I've been paying through the nose for gasoline just to get to work since Dubya has been in his little war against the entire middle east. I'd say I've paid plenty War Tax. Not to mention the huge deficit that's going to have to be paid off some time in the future. So in short, HELL NO!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:37 PM
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32. Only one problem with that.
There is no War on Terror.

Terror has no leader. Terror has no army. Terror has no base of operations. Terror cannot be attacked, and therefore cannot be defeated.

Criminals who use terroristic tactics can be apprehended and dealt with by police.

For the cost of one week in Iraq we could fund all the necessary police we need to deal with criminal terrorists.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 05:59 PM
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34. Commended for pushing the WoT lie?
Pfft, please.

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Dracos Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:34 PM
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36. Lieberman is a sell out
Bush made him his BITCH!I don't care about anything he has to say.
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