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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:19 PM
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Alberto Gonzalez is an "absolute legal giant" compared to Janet Reno
A caller on CSPAN just said that. He also said the investigations are a waste of time. I could agree with that statement. But calling Gonzalez a legal giant is just a bit over the top, IMO.
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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:20 PM
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1. I just heard that as well . . .
from the 'typical repugnican non-thinker' - KKKRove would be proud!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:21 PM
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2. Didn't you love the way they just went on to the next call?
:rofl:
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:23 PM
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3. Did he explain why he thought that, or would that be too hard?

Do legal giants lie under oath?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:42 PM
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15. No he didn't explain
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:24 PM
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4. That's cuz to be a legal giant it's not what you know. It's who you know. nt
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:24 PM
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5. To begin with, Gonzales had no criminal experience prior
to going to the WH as counsel and then AG. Reno was the Dade County District Attorney.

But then again, why argue with a RW nut that hasn't a clue what he's talking about. He's just another RW nut calling C-Span.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:37 PM
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11. What do you mean Gonzales had no prior criminal experience?
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 12:37 PM by Jack Rabbit
He was Bush's lawyer. That should have given him a lot of experience in crime.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:20 PM
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18. Ya beat me to it --
;)
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 02:11 PM
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22. Heh.. heh... Got me!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:25 PM
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6. He's certainly an absolute giant douche and an absolute giant liar. nt
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:26 PM
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7. Does "legal giant" mean "mental midget"?
I'm confused... :shrug:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:26 PM
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8. How do we impeach without investigations?
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:31 PM
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9. The GOPig canned response will be

that impeachment is unnecessary since no *crime was committed.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:45 PM
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16. I am not holding my breath assuming the investigations will result in impeachment
You can call me a pessimist. :)
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:34 PM
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21. Impeachment process is quasi-investigational
When in the House, the process involves hearing testimony and evidence to determine which charges, if any, to bring. Witnesses are called to testify, etc. After all the evidence is presented, the House votes on the charges and sends it to the Senate for the trial portion of impeachment.

It only takes a simple majority vote in the House to begin the investigation process.

Thats why some are unhappy that Dems are choosing to hold hearings and play footsie with Bush and DOJ, when they could be doing a more thorough job of it under impeachment.

To some, this choice indicates the Dems aren't planning to impeach Bush or Gonzo and want to simply "investigate" and run out the clock until 2008.

Some Dems support this method simply because they want Dems to get the WH and solidify the majority in Congress.

Other Dems want the impeachment method of investigation because it not only makes Dems look strong for 2008, but also because its an action that upholds the Constitution and prevents further erosion of rights, maintains high standards for ethical and legal conduct in office and preserves the balance of power between all 3 branches of government.

The non-impeachment route is a slippery slope - letting crooked leaders rig the Constitution to their benefit w/o sanctions.





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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:35 PM
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10. If "absolute legal giant" = complete Bush toady,
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 01:11 PM by PA Democrat
then I would agree.

Before hooking up with Bush, Alberto's legal experience was limited to working at the law firm of Vinson & Elkins. Here is some background on the firm:

The firm is known for its energy industry expertise. However, in recent years, it has also been recognized as a leader in many other practices including public finance, infrastructure development, international transactions, media law, mergers and acquisitions, private equity, class action defense, regulatory matters, professional liability, and complex commercial litigation. Known for its traditionally friendly work atmosphere and excellent employee benefits, Vinson & Elkins was voted one of the best places to work in Texas in 2006. Outside of the law, Vinson & Elkins has also been recognized for its community involvement and support for the arts.

Among others, Vinson & Elkins represented the failed energy company Enron prior to the company's collapse in 2001. This led to a number of lawsuits against Vinson & Elkins and others by former Enron employees and shareholders. After nearly five years of legal battles, Vinson & Elkins was dismissed in January 2007 from the last significant litigation related to the Enron collapse.

Currently, the firm represents former Congressman Bob Ney in connection with the Jack Abramoff corruption scandal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinson_and_Elkins
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:37 PM
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12. I don't think the issue is how smart he is or his legal mind
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 12:51 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
The issue is his integrity and whether he can even once tell the truth and whether he's simply a marionette as Attorney General, willing to follow any order given to him by his Chimp. He could have the legal mind of a Benjamin Cardozo, but he'd still be a lying, obfuscating, immoral and unethical law breaker.

I'd rather have an absolutely average legal mind in the position of Attorney General if his/her allegiance was to the law and the Constitution instead of to political operatives like Gonzalez.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:40 PM
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13. Now, Now...If you had a mind like a rank and file GOPer...
My dead dog could pass as an "absolute legal giant".
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:41 PM
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14. Absolute legal giant - perfect for an absolute idiot dictator.
May they both ascend the steps of AF1 together to carry them back to Texas more disgraced than Nixon, but with a higher degree of relief by the world, not just us.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:08 PM
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17. He's an absolute legal fuckup. nt
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:27 PM
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19. I think he's right.
In the way that a giant is a bumbling fool that uses his power to crush and destroy things. Just look at how he's crushed your privacy and belief in the constitution. He's also done wonders in crushing the idea that America is a meritocracy.

Legal Giant, indeed.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:27 PM
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20. i couldn't agree less with the statement that the investigations are a waste of time
when the ag of our nation lies to the senate they must investigate.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 02:22 PM
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23. I must need new glasses -- I misread the header as "legal git"
And I just assumed that some of our UK friends were weighing in with an all-too-accurate assessment of AG!
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