Caught On Tape, Tom DeLay Says US Must Be Connected To Israel To Enjoy Second Coming....

[Purveyor]

After attending the College Republican convention, Nation journalist Max Blumenthal took his camera to the Christians United for Israel's annual Washington-Israel Summit in D.C. Founded by right-wing mega-church pastor John Hagee, the group has "added the grassroots muscle of the Christian right to the already potent Israel lobby," "forging close ties with the Bush White House and members of Congress."

That evangelical support for Israel is largely based on "End Times" theology is largely irrelevant to the Israeli politicians who share the goal of expanding settlements into the West Banks and a military strike on Iran, but it is anything but irrelevant to the rank-and-file members and even one former House Majority Leader.

Blumenthal opens the video by interviewing Tom Delay, who when asked how much the "Second Coming" plays into his support for Israel, says, "obviously, it's what I live for, I hope it comes tomorrow."

Delay closed by saying, "we have to be connected to Israel to enjoy the second coming."

While Hagee and others have stated that "End-Times" theology or eschatology plays no role in their support for Israel, the people Blumenthal interviewed tell a different story. Former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Dore Gold, also claims that it plays no role and is not concerned with the apocalyptic undertones of such a group, claiming only the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad purports to want Armageddon.

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http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Delay_US_and_Israel_to_enjoy_0726.html

[iconoclastic cat]

1. When DeLay is in front of his maker, he's in for a nasty surprise. nt

[formercia]

14. DeLay is a Golem

conjured from the cesspool of an insane asylum.


He has no belly button.

[dorkulon]

18. Really more of a reptile (pic)

[Swamp Rat]

41. Here ya go:

:D

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. Sorry, your mythology is a little off --

the Golem was created to defend the Jews, not to destroy them.

[formercia]

26. I know

In Prague if I remember correctly.

The NAZIS were big at calling forth demons and intermediaries as well. They were very much into the occult.

Have you read the Spear of Destiny?

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. Nope. Who wrote it? nt

[formercia]

38. Here's the link

http://www.amazon.com/Spear-Destiny-Trevor-Ravenscroft/dp/0877285470/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-4868838-1903247?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185479498&sr=8-1

buy it used, it's a lot cheaper.

I was lucky, found a hardcover first at a book sale...

[RaleighNCDUer]

47. Thanks. nt

[Ian David]

2. See related thread: America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse: Bush's Plan to Immanentize The Eschaton

America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse: Bush's Plan to Immanentize The Eschaton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2747646

[quiet.american]

3. One of the best presents I've ever gotten was DeLay's resignation speech given on my birthday.

Aside from being arrogant and greedy, the man is N-U-T-S.

[MADem]

4. There's no nice way to say it--the guy is fucking NUTS. nt

[paparush]

10. You could say he's Nucking Futs

[calazini]

52. That was my exact thought

What a crazy bastard and he's in for a big surprise when he meets his maker!

[MADem]

56. Yeah, I imagine She might be a bit pissed at him!!! NT

[Tom Joad]

5. These people oppose Israel making peace with its neighbors

they oppose any compromise with Palestinians as being against their god's will. Not one inch must be ceded to Palestinians. and hagee further believes that nuclear war with Iran is a certainty (and desirable).

Strangely, however, this crackpot hagee got a keynote speaker slot at the aipac conference last March. Pelosi also spoke at the aipac conference, although to her credit she was booed by many in the room.

More here:
http://www.stopaipac.org/christianright.htm

[sharp_stick]

6. I wish they would be magically whisked away already

can you imagine how nice this planet would be without fundie nutjobs around to destroy it?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

7. Don't these extremist Evangelicals consider Jews to be damned unless they convert

at the moment of the second coming? Don't they consider Jews to be heathens unless they choose to no longer be Jews and become Christians before the so-called righteous are whisked away in the rapture?

[Tom Joad]

9. Yes, but they support Israel, and for most of us the rapture thing is a fairy tale anyway

so if you are one who supports Israeli expansionism and militarism, what's to lose?

It would be like if you had a nice employer who paid you well, treated you okay, but thought that your afterlife was going to be eternal damnation and with fires and maybe bad tv and everything for eternity. If you were like most of us who thought that hell was a fantasy and nothing more, it may not bother you much.

So some aipac-types are willing to go along, and link up politically with these people who support arming Israel and providing massive US economic aid to a fairly wealthy country. what's not to like?

Unless you believe in peace & justice, of course, and that's why many Jews (and Christians and secular people) scorn Hagee and his ilk.

[Tom Joad]

11. Hagee also believes the holocaust was his god's punishment.

so yes, this man is a real sick puppy.

Why does Abe Foxman of the adl embrace him?
ask abe.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

Why do "progressives" embrace the likes of Ron Paul and Pat Buchannan?

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. Progressives DON"T support Ron Paul or Pat Buchannan.

Lay off drinking your own kool-aid.

[Behind the Aegis]

24. Oh, but they do!

Perhaps you should take your blinders off!

[Ian David]

25. Show me a "progressive" who supports Pat Buchanan so I can kick them in the nuts. n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

30. You have most of them on "ignore." :)

[Ian David]

54. I forgot that I shared my ignore list with you, (My "Who's Who of Woo-Woo") n/t

[calazini]

53. I'll go with ya!

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. To me, progressives are not a "they", but a "we"

and we recognise Ron Paul to be a libertarian conservative who is 90% opposed to everything progressive - we support Republicans supporting him, to split the opposition, but would never support him ourselves. And Pat Buchannan is a fucking Nazi - hardly a progressive icon.

Progressives, FYI, are not damn commies (though some damn commies are progressives) nor are they fucking Nazis. Nor are they just whoever you happen to hate at the moment.

[Behind the Aegis]

33. Try reading what I wrote, as opposed to what you want to see.

I never said Buchanan was a "progressive icon." As for supporting Paul to split the Republicans, fine. Then it was not you I spoke of in my original post. However, there are those who say they would support him over any democratic candidate, except Kucinich, and a few of those have even gone as far to suggest a Kucinich/Paul ticket. I find that nauseating!

"Progressives, FYI, are not damn commies (though some damn commies are progressives) nor are they fucking Nazis. Nor are they just whoever you happen to hate at the moment."

What an incredibly stupid strawman and ad hominem! First, I never said or implied I hated anyone, nor did I call progressives anything other than progressives.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. You did not, in fact, even mention progressives.

You talked about "progressives", obviously implying that progressives are something other than what they are - I was simply trying to interpre what you meant by "progressives".

If you are talking about "progressives" who support fascists, call them trolls, like they are. For whatever they are, they are not progressives.

There are a lot of dems who think that progressives are from outer space - when the reality is that every advance in human rights in this country has come from the efforts of progressives. If you are not in those ranks, I apologise - but the post sure seemed to indicate otherwise. The right leaning DLC corporatist dems who are trying to coronate Hillary want us lefties to shut up - but we are used to that, and we will be here trying to keep the party from shooting itself in the head yet again.

ON EDIT:
I just re-read the thread and my response, and it seems to go off on a tangent - I can only plead that I've been sick for a week and popped back in here after leaving a Hillary thread, making my tangental remarks seem like they did, in fact, come from outer space. :silly:

As a matter of fact, I sincerely believe that anyone who advocates a Kucinich/Paul ticket is 1) pulling your leg, or 2) batshit crazy. What they are NOT, is progressive. That said, there are some here so damaged by the war that they are less than rational about how to stop it - that they might be progressive, or that progressives may be connected with them is just indicative of how messy things are in the real world.

[Behind the Aegis]

43. The quotes

I used the quotes around 'progressives' because it is what they call themselves, but they are not what I would call "progressives."

"If you are talking about "progressives" who support fascists, call them trolls, like they are. For whatever they are, they are not progressives."

According to you, and personally I would tend to agree in most cases, but that is how they define themselves and on most topics, they do toe the progressive agenda, except when it comes to certain topics.

"There are a lot of dems who think that progressives are from outer space..."

I do not think progressives are from outer space, but there are a few who are a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Reality tends not to be their friend. Like any group, there are those that fall outside of the realm of logic. This goes to my original statement, "politics make for strange bedfellows."

[RaleighNCDUer]

45. LOL - And so we find agreement.

Your post was written while I was editing my last post, saying much the same thing.

Cheers.

[libnnc]

32. the only "progressives" who support those two are morans

who don't know their ass from next Tuesday's laundry.

Either that or they're fucking lying about being "progressive".

Paul and Pat are isolationist racists and those who support them (if you scratch under the surface just a little) are too.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. I would tend to agree.

However, that doesn't change the fact they call themselves progressives and liberals, and in most cases, appear to be.

[Tom Joad]

28. won't find that from me...

Pat belongs in an asylum for the criminally insane.
He may sometimes say things many of us agree with (e.g.-Iraq war is a bad idea, who here doesn't think that?) but overall he is a violent fascist.

So i don't think he deserves a "place at the table". Certainly wouldn't give him so much as a place sweeping the floors at any conference i had anything to do with.

Hagee was a keynote speaker at the aipac conference. And he was wildly applauded (no boos like they gave Pelosi)

[Behind the Aegis]

31. And you won't find Hagee cleaning out my septic tank.

But, there are those, mainly ones who spout the "broken clock defense" when it comes to him and a few other notables, who do defend him or use him as a source or find him "interesting."

[Ian David]

55. I actually enjoyed Lou Dobbs the first two times I saw his show.

He was talking about Bush selling the port facilities to Dubai and not screening the freight.

He and Olbermann were the ONLY ones talking about it.

I actually publicly cheered for him.

And then I watched a THIRD episode of Lou Dobbs...

<shudder>

I agree with you.

Just because you might occasionally agree with someone, sometimes, on some things, does not mean they are "one of us" or even a decent human being.

I once found myself agreeing with Bill O'Reilly for a whole three minutes, until he continued his train of "thought" (if you can call what he does "thought") to what he believed was its logical conclusion.

[bear425]

8. Dupe. But, it's a good story to get out there. k/r

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1440466&mesg_id=1440466

[Poiuyt]

12. Why isn't DLay in prison right now?

[satya]

13. These wingnuts should all be supporting Kucinich, since he is obviously the "anti-christ".

And getting him into office would get us that much closer to the "rapture".

I think his campaign should pursue this angle ... :evilgrin:

[Tom Joad]

19. In their minds yeah, since Kucinich does promote peace between Israel and its neighbors.

but i think supporting such "evil" would mean they would go to hell.... they want to be on the side of "goodness" and war, war, war.

[Hydra]

15. The GOP will use anyone

People yearning for the end of times can't appreciate how great the world is and more, they can't see how much it could be.

"When a person, by his reprehensible behavior, practically cries out to be destroyed, it is truly your moral obligation to indulge them their wish. The person who takes every opportunity to "pick on" others is often mistakenly called "sadistic". In reality, this person is a misdirected masochist who is working towards his own destruction."

Anton LaVey

[sarcasmo]

16. Delay is just NUTS.

[bbgrunt]

17. this video is appalling--not only Delay, but also LIEberman.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. Can you imagine Tom Delay meeting Jesus? What would Jesus say?

Could it be "Be careful of what you wish for"????

[damntexdem]

35. It sounds like Tom is into some kinky sexual practices.

If we're not still 'connected,' does that mean that there will be no second coming or that we just won't enjoy it? ;-)

[Hydra]

36. O.o

:spray:

Bwahahaha!

Refer to the post about the Repubs being perverts :D

[robertpaulsen]

37. As if I didn't have enough reasons to hate LIEberman.

Hagee stressed the need for a preemptive military attack on Iran to "prevent a nuclear holocaust" as he introduced Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) to thunderous applause from the crowd. Lieberman compared Hagee to Moses and pointed out a visiting Rick Santorum as a "worker for what is good in our society."

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[Megahurtz]

51. I'll 2nd your Umpteen Pukes. n/t

[SpiralHawk]

40. "Second coming."? Is he bragging abour republicon diaper sex?

I mean, real Americans are revolted at the idea. But apparently just the idea of republicon sexual devancy is enough to get other republicons excited.

What would Jesus do? Vote as a Democrat, I am sure.

[Swamp Rat]

42. Tom DeLay eats cockroaches

:D

[Kadie]

44. Yuck!

Roachmouth

:rofl:

:hi:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

50. The real Tom Delay died years ago while fumigating a basement

In fact, those fumes were strong enough to cause a particularly foul cockroach to mutate and take on human form, with Tom Delay's body as a model. That transformed cockroach mutant went on to serve in Washington and also inspired the Mimic movie and its sequels. And those little cockroaches going in and out of his mouth are in fact his children. That is what inspired the movie Men In Black.

[Initech]

46. The fact that the religious wingnuts have access to the WH is scary shit.

Hagee is a very dangerous man and his followers are equally dangerous. I'm glad that Delay is out of office, it's much better for the country.

[Megahurtz]

48. Here's What I Think Of DeLay:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1444279#1444781

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

49. Did he define "enjoy"? Free beer? Nude volleyball? Or, just eternal hymns and donations?

And, how would the "unbelieving" Jews fare?

[Solly Mack]

57. this would be funny ..except well...

way too many people actually think this way