**********OFFICIAL DEM DEBATE THREAD #5************

[Hissyspit]

Here is No. 4:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1413358&mesg_id=1413358

[Colobo]

1. On education- Richardson and Obama lead.

[NYC Liberal]

Sex ed question.

[spanone]

2. anybody home?

[Hissyspit]

4. Yup. n/t

[Hissyspit]

3. Planned Parenthood employee: Have you talked to your children about sex?

Using age-appropriate terminology and good info?

[markk]

5. edwards doesnt know how old his older kids are

beautiful

[PinkTiger]

One died.

The other is a girl. Give him a break!

[markk]

36. I get the response that one is dead

I forgot about that, but what does the other being a girl have to do with him not knowing her age?

[shaniqua6392]

20. One of them is dead now.

That is why he was tripping up a bit. His son died when he was 16 years old. He still has a daughter in college and two little ones at home.

[Colobo]

6. I don't like the sex question. What are they gonna say?

[NYC Liberal]

9. They ought to have asked about sex. ed. in schools, or something substantive.

[Hissyspit]

7. Obama asked about sex ed/kindergarten. "I want my children to know when someone

is doing something inappropriate.

[Hissyspit]

Question: Does Al Gore attention hurt y'all's feelings?

[Hissyspit]

11. Question from snowman about Global Warming.

[Greeby]

8. umm, what the hell was that?

:rofl:

[spanone]

10. comedy central..........

[NYC Liberal]

12. FINALLY A GLOBAL WARMING QUESTION!!

[billyoc]

13. lol @biden, "tennesee got it's feelings hurt." n/t

[spanone]

15. i'm in tennessee and yep, that was painful.

[Colobo]

14. Why do people do such stupid videos?

[rusty charly]

23. looking for a slot at sundance.

trying to be that 'talked about' video. the 2007 political version of flagpole sitting.

[LEW]

16. I like this debate format

It has been interesting and the jokes are coming from real people and not just the politicians!

[NYC Liberal]

27. Good format & idea, unfortunately it doesn't work with the MSM

filtering the questions.

[Hissyspit]

17. Stephanie from Berkely CA: How is US going to reduce it's energy consumption?

[trashcanistanista]

18. Kucinich - good answer to the snowman

stop fighting over oil.

[harun]

37. I like how fast he answered that the other candidates are not green enough

it was instantanious, no hesitation

[Solly Mack]

19. it's for the snowman babies!

[goodgd_yall]

21. Going for entertainment value now, not depth

[spanone]

24. not much depth all night.

[goodgd_yall]

30. Where's the impeachment question?

[NYC Liberal]

40. CNN's cutting room floor.

Of course they won't let that one through.

If they do, of course, I will be very glad.

[Hissyspit]

26. Here's hoping for an serious impeachment question. n/t

[Colobo]

22. Gravel: Fair Tax/Energy Conservation?

[Cameron27]

25. I didn't get that either.

[JDPriestly]

28. OK so I'm in the library card generation.

Will someone in the YouTube generation please explain how I get the debates on this contraption they call a computer?

[msongs]

34. you have to let the turner network strip mine your computer with a special plug in nt

[JDPriestly]

43. That explains it. What a con. What do you expect of CNN

anyway. I can't even find any button to press.

[trashcanistanista]

42. Turn on the TV - its on CNN

[JDPriestly]

Thanks, but I don't have cable. I guess I am just out of luck.

Please post these on DU as much as you can. Thanks.

[Greeby]

29. Show of hands?

Oh Jeebus :eyes:

[NYC Liberal]

31. Good: Hillary called out Anderson

[William769]

41. Correct me If I'm wrong she's been the only one in all the debates to do that to the moderator.

[many a good man]

32. Eyebrow plugs would make Dennis jump 30% in the polls

I kid you not.

[Hissyspit]

33. New Question: Scientific consensus on man-caused climate change. Nuclear power?

[Hissyspit]

39. Edwards: We haven't built a new nuclear power plant in a decade. Expensive, not safe disposal. n/t

[trashcanistanista]

46. Edwards - no on nuclear power.

I agree with him.

[theredpen]

35. Dodd Hits 80% Approval

The Audience (in NH) liked his answer about the carbon tax.

[goodgd_yall]

44. I actually like Dodds

Unfortunately not many others do.

[Squatch]

38. "How many people took a private jet to get to the debates today"

Ouch. Very ouch, when Richardson raised his hands sheepishly and said "yesterday?"

[zippy890]

45. Obama supports nuclear energy

don't like that much

[spanone]

49. neither do i, not one little bit.

[Colobo]

50. Hillary is in the fence on nuclear power

[William769]

53. I thought she was pretty clear.

[NYC Liberal]

69. Yup. She was...if you listened to the question without going in already

knowing you'd oppose what she said.

("You" not meaning you specifically ;))

[robinlynne]

154. She said she is for nuclear power but against it.

[William769]

157. She also said why.

[robinlynne]

158. yes she did. I agree with Edwards though. I don't believe you can make nuclear safe.

not worth trying to make it safe. you can't. She sort of avoided the issue.

[goodhue]

51. yes, disappointing

[goodgd_yall]

57. That's not news

I've read before that he supports it. That's enough to make me probably not vote for him.

[Minimus]

47. I hate the backdrop. It is too busy!!

[Hissyspit]

48. Clinton: I'm agnostic about nuclear power. Waste, cost issues. n/t

[Hissyspit]

52. Melissa is cute. I hope she is a DUer. :)

Sorry... :P :crazy:

[Hissyspit]

Question: Standardized voting.

[Colobo]

59. She's smart and hot. I wanna call her! :)

[BeyondGeography]

68. Ask if you can come out to Calif. and see her standardized voting form, Katz

:toast:

[theredpen]

54. Approval of Nuclear energy answers

Both Edwards and Obama gathered audience approval slowly. Edwards peaked at 80%, Obama at 85%. Hillary held steady at about 75%

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

55. None of this matters, people

It's a dog and pony show. Why the hell should these Dems put themselves through this when they should know better than anyone that there will be no elections in 2008??

[DURHAM D]

62. In that case - why are you here following the thread?

Don't you have something you would rather be doing.

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

107. Because I'm goddamned angry that the media will not put on any impeachment questions

I'm not surprised, of course. WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I have something I'd rather be doing - I'd rather be reading a book and not worrying constantly about when this rogue regime is going to drop the other shoe on us. HAVE A NICE DAY.

[goodgd_yall]

63. Noted

Now go on your way, DTBK.

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

115. With respect, I was here first, Mr./Ms. 351 posts

I have as much right to say what I want as you do.

[Hissyspit]

64. Well, just on the OFF-CHANCE that we maybe get an election pulled off

- and I'm even addressing the issue of the fraud that the right will attempt - it probably helps to pay some attention.

[theredpen]

66. Oh please. There will be elections. n/t

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

113. I hope so, but I tend to follow this adage:

"Expect the best and prepare for the worst."

[bdamomma]

147. if there isn't there will be a serious confrontation.

[Hissyspit]

56. Break, with Biden's candidate video.

[billyoc]

58. biden's clip wasn't bad. n/t

[CountAllVotes]

74. I've been oddly impressed w/Biden recently

He does have a lot of experience, that is for sure. I'm liking Dodd too. Does any one here support Dodd, Biden and/or Richardson?

:dem:

[AndreaCG]

60. FINALLY The election reform question

But that MoFo Cooper cut it off after one candidate to go to fucking commercial.

Fuck Cooper.

[theredpen]

61. Audience reaction to "Standardized Voting" question

The Audience REALLY LIKED the question. Approval was up to 65% before Richardson even started talking.

Response to Richardson's question was luke-warm to warm (60%-70%). 70% is pretty much "the passing grade." If you don't get over 70%, you didn't really impress the audience.

[billyoc]

65. Anderson Cooper needs to go to the E! channel where he belongs. n/t

[Colobo]

67. So far Clinton winning the debate, Obama second, Richardson and Biden tied in 3rd place

[William769]

70. Where are those stats from?

[spanone]

73. thin air

[Colobo]

77. My opinion.

[spanone]

80. just kiddin'

[William769]

82. Thanks, I thought I was missing something somewhere.

[rinsd]

81. I think those are Katz's opinions

[William769]

85. Thanks.

[Dawgs]

71. Oh Jesus Christ!!

Hillary has looked okay tonight!! She has refused to answer many of the questions.

[NYC Liberal]

75. Not if you actually listened to her answers.

She most certainly answered the questions asked of her.

[William769]

79. There seems to be blinders for ears also.

[NYC Liberal]

87. That or some people are ready to trash whatever she says before she even says it.

Even if they do listen.

[theredpen]

78. Based on the audience response: Obama, Edward, Clinton

A decent answer gets 70% approval from the audience.

Obama typically hits 80%. Edwards frequently exceeds 70%. Hillary usually hits it, sometimes exceeds.

Gravel is not doing well. Others have had their moments.

[Colobo]

86. I hope the like Obama better!

[William769]

93. He's got to stop invoking Reagan's name!

It will come back to bite him in the ass.

[Hissyspit]

72. Kucinich Video!

Test P E A C E

[Hissyspit]

76. Question: Congress willing to be paid minimum wage?

[Minimus]

84. None have Mitt Romney money! LOL

[Connie_Corleone]

89. I liked Obama's response to that question.

[goodgd_yall]

83. Another stupid question

What democrat is not going to say they are for increasing the minimum wage? The Republicans should be asked that.

[Hissyspit]

88. Question: Social Security

[theredpen]

90. Minimum Wage Question Audience Response: Obama nails it

Obama gets over 80% response. Kucinich answer over 70%.

[Hissyspit]

91. One more recommendation? n/t

[NYC Liberal]

94. There ya go. Recc'd

[AndreaCG]

92. Cooper let a Social Securityfunding question slip through

This time the fucker didn't go to commercial break but only 2 quick answers allowed.
FUCK COOPER!!!!!!!

[theredpen]

95. Social Security Audience Response: Dodd OK (>70%) Obama fizzles

Audience responded favorably to Dodd saying we should not privatize. Obama didn't get over 60% for much of his answer.

[William769]

97. Where the hell is this meter at?

[theredpen]

104. You need to get the streaming feed on CNN.com

Look to the right of the main screen. There are other options. Click on one that says, "Opinion"

[William769]

110. Thanks, I guess it to late now, I've been watching on CNN.

[zippy890]

101. what audience- youtube or live audience?

[theredpen]

108. Live Audiences in Las Vegas, NV and Mancheseter, NH

I'm logging the Manchester audience

[William769]

121. Edwards just hit it out of the ballpark!

[Hissyspit]

96. Question: Taxes. What's with all the freeper questions?

[goodgd_yall]

99. You said it. n/t

[NYC Liberal]

100. "If a Democrat gets in office, will our taxes go up?"

[Minimus]

109. that last video was definitely a freeper - taxes go up when Dems in office.

[creeksneakers2]

163. I noticed that too

They freeped You Tube and it worked. I'm going to have a few questions for Republicans for the next You Tube debate. I hope DUers are encouraged to offer theirs.

[theredpen]

98. Soc. Security #2 Audience Response: Richardson does well

75% for most of his answer

[spanone]

102. was that mr. wavy gravy?????

[Hissyspit]

103. Crap, this is starting to get silly. n/t

[Cameron27]

112. Yep.

[goodhue]

105. Kucinich did well just now

[Colobo]

106. Where's Edwards?

[Hissyspit]

111. Question: Personal stories on HEALTH CARE...

Alzheimers

Diabetes

Woman with cancer

How will you deal with chronic diseases in health plans?

[Hissyspit]

114. Obama: How is it the wealthiest nation on earth cannot provide health care for everyone?

[Hissyspit]

116. Edwards: Obama's plan is not universal because it does not mandate coverage.

[harun]

117. Aren't we the most in debt nation on Earth? (n/t)

[goodgd_yall]

119. Edwards: the only way to get Universal health care is to mandate it.

BS, I say.

[goodgd_yall]

128. Clinton: Disgrace U.S. cannot provide universal health care

[Colobo]

118. Obama throws jabs at Clinton and Edwards; nice.

[Colobo]

120. Edwards is BACK!!!

[Colobo]

126. Hill was hit hard by Edwards and Obama on health care

[goodgd_yall]

132. I don't quite follow you n/t

[defendandprotect]

122. Edwards wins on national health care -- stand up to insurance companies! + drug companies !!!!

[goodgd_yall]

135. Obama said that n/t

[William769]

123. Edwards just hit it out of the ballpark!

[waiting for hope]

127. Edwards just hit a home run!

[Colobo]

133. Edwards gave the best answer on health care, followed by Obama.

[wildeyed]

134. that was amazing. n/t

[Babsbrain]

138. A man from Western Virginia had a cleft palate and couldn't talk for 50 years

He had no health insurance.

The USS Comfort is in Latin America fixing cleft palates.

[trashcanistanista]

142. Hil did a follow up on the family dynasty question.

[goodgd_yall]

144. Guess I missed something n/t

:shrug:

[Minimus]

124. Hillary: National Committment to Healthcare.

[Hissyspit]

125. Another Health Care Question: Undocumented workers. n/t

[Cameron27]

129. I agree with Dodd,

let them all answer the same damned question.

[theredpen]

130. Health Care #1 Audience Response: Important Question

The audience approval is at 70% just for the issue. Answers:

Obama had a slow rise. Kicked up at "it's an outrage" comment. Finally score: 80%

Edwards: Slow start (60% and dropping). Recovered with the personal stories (70%). The "richist nation on the planet" comment also won big. Final score 85%+

Clinton: Another slow build. I think the audience is really looking for substance from the candidates. Hit 75%-80%.

[defendandprotect]

131. Hillary was forced because of Edwards' answer to mention Insurance companies/drug companies -- !!!!

She wanted to say "special interests" -- then realized Edwards had busted the question open

[William769]

139. Hillary's back!

[Hissyspit]

136. Here is new thread #6:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1414100

[theredpen]

137. Undocumented Health Care: Answers not popular

Dodd and Richardson were mostly at 60%. Richardson ended strong, off topic (75%)

[Colobo]

140. Nice answer by Hillary.

[NYC Liberal]

141. Hill says 2000 election was A FRAUD!! Big applause!

[robinlynne]

155. That surprised me. pleasantly. so we are now mainstream....

[Minimus]

143. Yeah. If bush hadn't been elected we wouldn't have bush, clinton, bush, clinton!

[trashcanistanista]

148. Gravel, uhm

I don't think he'll be invited back.

[tridim]

150. Not to mention she's not a Clinton, she's a Rodham.

[Colobo]

145. Gravel needs to shut up!

[goodhue]

149. but he speaks the truth

[HughMoran]

153. I love what he is saying

Fuck 'em if they can't stand the truth.

[DURHAM D]

156. Yeah - his version of the truth.

What a clown.

[HughMoran]

164. He is so 100% right - follow the MONEY!!!!!!!

He is completely on target with respect to corporate money.

[goodhue]

146. Gravel: Clinton & DLC sold out Democratic Party to Wall Street

I wish he was wrong

[wildeyed]

151. God and guns......

:scared:

[MrSlayer]

152. Wow, Gravel really dropped the bomb on Hillary there.

She had a great moment and he just crushed her. Spanked Obama and Edwards too.

[CountAllVotes]

160. Gravel was right!

and they all know it!

:loveya: Gravel!!!

:dem:

[MrSlayer]

162. Yeah, he was.

He really took the wind out of her sails.

[bdamomma]

159. ........

Biden likes Dennis's wife.

[Timbuk3]

161. My thoughts

I watched most of the debate. I was, and still am, an Edwards supporter. My dream ticket is Edwards/Obama, but I would vote for any of the Democratic candidates before I'd vote for any of the GOP candidates, but there's one who won't get the nomination that I'd really have to hold a gun to my own head to get myself to vote for him.

Gravel is an idiot who lowers the level of debate. Once I heard him advocate a fair tax I knew I'd never vote for him (in the primaries.) I hope he quits, soon. I'm tired of hearing him complain about not having center stage. There's a reason for that, Mike. Your guitar only has one note.

Having said that, 30% of GOP candidates proudly don't believe in evolution, so I have a favor to ask. I don't have a webcam, and don't know how to post on YouTube, but if the GOP is going to have the same kind of debate I have a question for them...

"For over 200 years every man and woman who's served in the miltary, every congressman, and every President has taken the same oath: 'I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will...to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.' For you, which is the supreme law of the United States, the constitution or the Bible?"

[defendandprotect]

165. Closing comments --

Notice Wolfie took over -- we tuned out --
Elizabeth Edwards was on a while . ..

The 2 hour "debate" could have been done in an hour --
the YouTube videos weren't impressive -- obviously, someone got into the question jar --
or we have very uninformed citizens -- and that's possible!!!

Looks like CNN is now proceeding to spinning --
doubt they ask where an IMPEACHMENT question was?
or why Hillary said the 2000 election was a FRAUD -- and it received huge applause!!!

We had cars that went 42 mpg in the 1960's . ..!!!
What in the hell are we talking about -- ???

Nationalize our own natural resources --
Get Electric cars -- !!!

Nuclear Power plants are simply targets for terrorists or LEAKAGE problems of one kind or another -- not insurable by private insurance companies --

SS & Medicare -- obviously GOP propaganda has been successful --
Hope everyone goes to see SICKO -- !!!!

Michael Moore for president --
Cindy Sheehan for VP --