**********OFFICIAL DEM DEBATE THREAD #4************

[Hissyspit]

No. 3 is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1413093&mesg_id=1413093

[Hissyspit]

1. Edwards wife shown in audience. n/t

[goodhue]

2. Edwards has a female flighter pilot plant

But he sounds good

[Hissyspit]

3. Gravel: Bush does not have the boots on the ground to invade Iran!

[Colobo]

4. Gravel is a clown.

[Le Taz Hot]

10. How many times are

you going to say the same idiotic thing?

[Colobo]

13. As many times as I want.

[Le Taz Hot]

17. You make yourself irrelavent.

[democrat2thecore]

22. Honestly, Your Guy Isn't Exactly Lighting Any Fires Tonight -nt

[Colobo]

34. So what? Gravel is still a clown regardless.

[Exultant Democracy]

30. I bet Obama is happy his avatar next to that type of negativity.

[bigwillq]

68. And there you go knocking another

of our DEM nominees.

Does it really feel that good? :shrug:

:eyes:

[goodhue]

5. Gravel reviewing history

And points out that of course women should register too

[spanone]

6. What an asinine question Hillary taken serious by arabs

what about duh.......condi rice???

[Hissyspit]

11. Yep. n/t

[Hissyspit]

7. Serviceman in Okinawa: Issue of Hillary as woman in Muslim states.

[rucky]

8. Pakistan had a female PM. n/t

[Colobo]

9. Hillary got a softball

[Colobo]

12. The question just gave her a chance to shine

[William769]

14. Isn't it great all the loud applause Hillary is getting.

I've lost count.

[NYC Liberal]

16. She's doing great tonight!

[creeksneakers2]

155. Hillary is really impressing me

She answers questions very directly,or at least in the general direction of the questions, and doesn't try to pretend she's on all sides. Her reputation will change for the better if she continues like this.

[BlueStater]

15. Obama mentioning Raygun

Ick.

[William769]

18. Boy did you miss a great thread last night.

[goodhue]

19. I seem to have a microphone in my hand

!?

[JohnLocke]

20. Clinton will NOT promise to meet with world leaders.

[spanone]

24. really stupid answer.....wtf?

[William769]

31. And Edwards agreed with her statement.

[Connie_Corleone]

36. Edwards agreed with Clinton

[pnwmom]

That's twisting what she said.

Which is that she would not PROMISE, right NOW, to meet with ALL of those men in her first year of office.

And, I'm paraphrasing here, that she would not meet with anyone unless something productive might come out of it.

[MichiganVote]

58. She also said that she would not meet without a goal/agenda to deliberate.

[defendandprotect]

21. 1 HOUR into debate and no questions on Global Warming -- !!!!

[Hissyspit]

28. Or impeachment.

:7

[Le Taz Hot]

35. Nor universal health care.

Nor outsourcing of American jobs.
Nor election fraud.

Pathetic.

[bdamomma]

71. Iraq, will always be on front burner until we get that roadblock

out of the way, *.

[goodhue]

44. indeed

presumably there may still be some

[Hissyspit]

23. Hillary: Diplomacy has been turned into a bad word by this admin. n/t

[goodhue]

25. high level presidential envoys

color me not impressed

[harun]

26. Booooooo Hillary, meet with Fidel

[rucky]

27. so much for the learning curve arguement.

[cynatnite]

29. Hillary is doing very well. n/t

[KoKo]

32. Hillary DISSES Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro...wouldn't meet with them!

[William769]

38. Good for her!

[harun]

48. Appeasing the neocons, yah real good for her (nonsense)

[MonkeyFunk]

46. That's not what she said

[goodhue]

33. Edwards started out well until he credited Hillary

[KoKo]

42. for not being willing to meet with Chavez and Castro? ???

[MonkeyFunk]

She didn't say she wouldn't meet with them

she said she wouldn't promise to do so in her first year. There'd be plenty of contact and communication to determine WHY they were meeting, and to ensure she wasn't being used for propaganda purposes.

Seems like a sound position to me.

[Hissyspit]

37. Question: By what date after Jan. 1, 2009 will all troops be out of Iraq?

[cynatnite]

41. That was powerful! n/t

[sabbat hunter]

158. well lets say

jan 21 2009, when the next president, a democratic president is sworn in.

according to biden at current troop levels it would take 1 year to remove all the troops.

so lets say that troop levels remain the same, it would be jan 2010 to remove all the troops logistically.

[goodhue]

39. another excellent out of Iraq question

[Hissyspit]

43. Also asked about candidate family members who are serving?

[goodhue]

57. indeed but Anderson let that part slide

[spanone]

40. Now there's a question how many family members do YOU have in iraq

[KoKo]

47. These questions designed to have Dems fall all over about Military Service but nothing

about Repugs. I can't stand Cooper and his choice of questions.

[harun]

56. I am sure the question choice was up higher than him and I agree

the questions are to make them look weak.

[DURHAM D]

45. Hillary's answer about meeting was perfect.

She thinks well on her feet.

[cynatnite]

49. It was a smart answer n/t

[NYC Liberal]

51. Yep, she said you have to make sure that the meetings would be substantive

and not just PR stunts.

[harun]

80. That's stupid, all high level meetings are PR stunts for both sides

that is why they don't just video conference their meetings with other countries, they want them in the paper.

[NYC Liberal]

85. They're publicized so that people know what's going on,

but there's a difference between a substantive meeting that is publicized, and a meeting whose entire purpose is camera time with no substance.

[creeksneakers2]

161. Its a basic rule of diplomacy

Don't meet without planning. Peace could end up being talked into war.

[William769]

53. Agreed.

[Hissyspit]

50. 3 more recs to Greatest Page? n/t

[NYC Liberal]

55. A rec from me, 2 more. nt

[spanone]

52. Go Gov. Richardson.....bring the troops home.

[BlueStater]

54. Richardson has gotten the least amount of airtime out of anyone

Even Gravel and Kucinich have spoke more.

[harun]

62. I would like to see the figures of the airtime each was given, Hillary

has to be above 40%

[bdamomma]

59. ohh, Biden is hot on the trail tonite.

[democrat2thecore]

74. He exudes confidence & leadership - even when I disagree with him -nt

[goodhue]

60. Joe is right . . . .extensive work

please

[defendandprotect]

61. Hillary -- No Pentagon planning for withdrawal .. . . . !!!

[theredpen]

63. I'm watching the feed with the Audience-o-meter on it...

...and Obama is getting the highest scores (~80%). Edwards is a close second (70%+) and Hillary a close third (usually around 70% but not consistent). It looks like 70% is the "ceiling" for positive response, but Obama breaks through it almost every time he talks.

Just FYI. Streaming available through a proprietary plug-in on cnn.com.

[NYC Liberal]

67. Where is that?

[theredpen]

86. Bring up the streaming video window

...the link is at the top of cnn.com

Before you maximize to full screen, you'll see some options on the right:

• Debate: plain coverage


• Debate: Opinions (this is the Las Vegas audience)


• Debate: Alt. View (other camera angle?)


• Debate: Opinions (this is the Manchester, NH audience)

[NYC Liberal]

114. Thanks! I'm watching on the teevee

[Connie_Corleone]

77. There's an audience-o-meter?

[eleny]

79. This is the best I've seen him yet

[democrat2thecore]

84. I don't see it. Honestly. . nt-

[Connie_Corleone]

90. And others do.

[theredpen]

100. .

[theredpen]

119. Richardson hits over 80% audience approval

(From the NH audience). His answer on No Child Left Behind sent up near 90% (so far, that's been Obama territory). Biden is hitting around 80%. This is obviously a resonant issue.

[eleny]

117. He appears to be much more comfortable with talking up his positions

Not my candidate but I'll give him some props. He's earned them.

[democrat2thecore]

81. Well organized - that's all

No way has Obama's performance been anywhere close to the others - excepting Gravel - he's bad.

[Colobo]

88. Obama hate...

[democrat2thecore]

168. Oh, if you challenge Obama it's "hate?" Pretty strong word

But, I suppose they will play it for all it's worth. Shameless, though.

[goodhue]

64. Hillary lost me there

Dennis is right

[rucky]

65. Dennis is chomping at the bit.

Give 'em hell!

[Hissyspit]

66. Kucinich: I reject assumption we'll be in Iraq until next president is in office.

[Exultant Democracy]

78. Gravel had a good commercial,

I wish he talked like that all the time.

[sabbat hunter]

160. unfortunately we probably will

considering how long it will take to remove all the troops, from a logistics standpoint.

[Hissyspit]

69. Break with Gravel campaign commercial.

[Hissyspit]

72. It mentioned global climate change. n/t

[Extend a Hand]

76. what was that number that Kucinich called on people to text to?

[Hissyspit]

82. Anderson keeps suppressing it.

I didn't get it. Maybe someone can google?

[eleny]

83. 73223

P-E-A-C-E

Edit to add a url for the story http://www.newsnet5.com/politics/13736010/detail.html

[Extend a Hand]

thx!

[NYC Liberal]

89. From his website:

http://www.textkucinich.us/

You can do it from your computer.

[Extend a Hand]

136. thx

[defendandprotect]

70. Kucinich -- "Get the troops home now" -- YEAH!!! YEAH!!!

[Solly Mack]

73. Yeah, America cares so much about what happens to Iraqis that America invaded

Iraq for lies and trumped up evidence, tortured Iraqis and detained them for no reason...

with concern like that....

[defendandprotect]

94. You weren't suppose to notice that -- bad boy!!!

[Solly Mack]

120. it's good to be bad

:)

[More Than A Feeling]

75. Good call for Gravel

Giving people a glimpse of his positions.

[Hissyspit]

87. Richardson commercial.

[Hissyspit]

91. Question from SC: Who was your favorite teacher and why?

[femmocrat]

98. There are more important questions about education.....

disappointing choice.

[femmocrat]

107. "Scrap it"! Great answer on NCLB, from Richardson.

:applause:

[ThomWV]

92. Anybody waiting for the IMPEACHMENT question?

[NYC Liberal]

96. You think *CNN* will let that through?

We can dream...

[Individualist]

130. I'll be surprised if they do

[spanone]

97. it IS the elephant in the room perhaps.....

[Hissyspit]

Great Gravel response! Laughter line.

[Connie_Corleone]

93. I really don't care who was their favorite teacher.

[smokey nj]

99. I don't either. What's next - What's your favorite color? Do you like cheese?

[eppur_se_muova]

122. Blue. No! -- Gree...AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH !!

"Answer me these questions three, ere the other side ye see!"

Hey, that would be a great way to "winnow" the candidates before the primaries!

[buzzard]

108. Bidens response was good, his favourite taught him the worst sin is abuse of power and the

second worst sin was sitting by and watching it.

[Minimus]

115. It may appeal to those who don't get involved with issues.

[goodhue]

95. I missed Gravel joke

but the audience seemed to love it

[NYC Liberal]

101. Said his fav. teacher was a brother who helped him with his

dyslexia and helped him to speak better, and he's gotten to use that so little tonight.

[Hissyspit]

102. Rock on, dude!

[NYC Liberal]

103. Richardson: Scrap NCLB

[NYC Liberal]

104. self-delete

[billyoc]

105. Was that a cheech and chong video?

Richardson is right, scrap NCLB.

[defendandprotect]

106. Richardson: "Scrap it!" -- good response -- It's a Bush family money maker!!!

[Hissyspit]

109. Richardson: No Child Left Behind penalizes schools. Last thing we need to do...

Federal program of ARTS in the school!

[Colobo]

110. Good answer by Richardson

[defendandprotect]

111. Biden would scrap it -- smaller classrooms -- basic stuff --

[Hissyspit]

112. Biden: It was a mistake to vote for No Child Left Behind. No, duh!

[goodhue]

113. Biden blames Kennedy?!

Drops Wellstone name

[OzarkDem]

127. What a hypocrite n/t

[femmocrat]

116. What.... they didn't ask Obama about "merit pay"?

[JohnLocke]

118. Edwards: All four kids went to public school.

[bdamomma]

121. I am disappointed too no questions about global warming or

the environment? I spoke too soon.

[JohnLocke]

124. There will be some later, I'm sure

[Hissyspit]

Here is new thread #5:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1413358&mesg_id=1413358

[BeyondGeography]

128. I like Biden

Thoughtful, soulful, even radiates goodness at times.

[theredpen]

131. Wrong link? n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

142. here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1413681

[eppur_se_muova]

133. bad link, takes us to top of 4. nt

try http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1413681&mesg_id=1413681

[Lone_Star_Dem]

139. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1413681

[eppur_se_muova]

144. Thanks, our posts crossed in the tubes. nt

[Lone_Star_Dem]

149. It happens

:)

[Colobo]

123. Obama gave a great answer

[davidthegnome]

125. Sorry excuse for a "debate"

It's about money and polls. The little guys aren't getting nearly enough of a chance to answer the questions. This is total crap. I don't care what their poll ratings are, in a DEMOCRACY, while engaging in a DEBATE involving a relatively SMALL number of people... everyone should be able to answer the questions asked, period. Screw CNN. Screw this sorry excuse for a debate.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

147. amen. but you know they milked the funny ones all weekend

long - making you think this would be novel. I think it's humiliating for the ones who don't get called on.

[defendandprotect]

126. Gravel: 30% of our children do not graduate from highschool -- !!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

129. THESE questions are stupid. Is this the BEST they could find

Bore - ing

I thought youtube stuff would be creative not some stupid simple junk

[NYC Liberal]

132. The problem isn't YouTube, it's that CNN is filtering the questions

and picking crappy ones.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

135. too bad this could have been fun. Chris Mathews would actually

be more interesting. I want to see them stumped. I want to see them trash AssHat more.

[NYC Liberal]

148. I'd like them to bring up the I-Word.

[graywarrior]

134. Any questions about dealing with the criminals in this administration?

I tuned in late, so I missed the first half.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

138. hell no - just boring crap

[defendandprotect]

143. They should be in jails here and in the world courts -- !!!!

[goodgd_yall]

137. Just joined this thread; the GDP thread is too quiet.

[goodgd_yall]

140. Dumb ass question

[theredpen]

141. NLBC Question: Audience loved Richardson response

(From the NH audience). His answer on No Child Left Behind sent up near 90% (so far, that's been Obama territory). Biden is hitting around 80%. This is obviously a resonant issue.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

145. Official #5 Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1413681

[defendandprotect]

151. Dodd: "We'll never get away from fossil fuels -- " WHAT ?????

We've know for decades that burning fossil fuels creates Global Warming ---

[defendandprotect]

152. Edwards -- No nuclear power -- YEAH -- !!!!!

[goodgd_yall]

146. OK theyr'e losing it; it's entertainment time now (re: CNN picks) n/t

[defendandprotect]

150. ELECTRIC CARS NOW !!. . .. FORGET THE LIGHT BULBS --!!!!

[JohnLocke]

153. Edwards: no liquefied coal!

[defendandprotect]

154. Obama also has no clue re Global Warming -- !!!! Wow!!! Not good!!!

[defendandprotect]

156. Hillary with a more honest answer on oil industry - + against Nuclear -- Good!!!!

[defendandprotect]

157. We should nationalize our oil industry and take back control from private families -- !!!!

[defendandprotect]

159. Voting -- Richardson for optical scanners -- that's still computers -- !!!

[defendandprotect]

162. Ah . . . can't we have Michael Moore for president -- ??? Imagine his sane answers on all of this !

[bdamomma]

163. these debates really don't get to the meat of matter.

maybe they should two smaller debates, with two groups, and then get them all together, they just don't have enough time to answer the questions, I mean are we only in tune to sound bite answers. * did alot of damage to all of us.

[More Than A Feeling]

164. And Dennis Kucinich produces a 3 AM infomercial

ugh.

[defendandprotect]

165. Gravel for "living wage" . . . YEAH!!!!

[defendandprotect]

166. Question re SS indicatesthe overall problem with tonights questions . . .. underinformed voters!!!!

Lady doesn't know how solvent SS is -- and a lot of that has to do with GOP propaganda -- !!!
Will anyone mention that Bush has been paying for Iraq war and his tax cuts for wealthy from SS?????

[defendandprotect]

167. Richardson: STOP raiding SS funds -- STOP privatization --