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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:51 PM
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Ponds
{1} "The increasing complexity of both technological tasks and the built environment is a source of many negative stress response patterns. In buildings, institutions, and communities, the nurturing properties of vegetation can ameliorate stress and provide maintenance for a healthy society." – Landscape Views and Stress Response in the Prison Environment; Marcia June West; M.A. thesis; University of Washington; 1986.

In the past three weeks on the Democratic Underground’s General Discussion forum, there have been a number of threads that have discussed issues involving how we all relate to the environment. Do we drink bottled water? How do we view our relationship with animals? Are we in Iraq solely for oil? Are children "bad" for the earth?

In the same period of time, I’ve noted a mild increase in the number of threads, and perhaps individual responses on threads, that reflect an "edge." Some people anticipate the current administration may create a national emergency to maintain power. Others express frustration with elected officials in congress. There are even a couple of threads with more than a hint of tensions between the sexes. Great googamooga, there are times when reading DU:GD is a lot like singing the Temptation’s "Ball of Confusion."

I’ve been wondering what people here do to "re-charge their batteries?" And what connections might there be between our personal space, our home environments, and how we deal with not only the stress in our own individual lives, but more: in a society where we have become a fear and anxiety producing machine?

{2} "We should consider how ‘our aesthetic reactions to landscapes may have derived, in part, from an evolved psychology that functioned to help hunter-gathers make better decisions about when to move, where to settle, and what activities to follow in various localities ….stimuli such as flowers, sunsets, clouds, thunder, snakes and lions activate response systems of ancient origin’." – Evolved Responses to Landscapes, from The Adapted Mind: Evolutionary Psychology and Generation of Culture; Gordon Orians & Judy Heerwagen; Oxford Press; 1992.

Sometimes on my posts on DU:GD, I have quoted from a wonderful poem about an Onondaga Elder, who explains to a "young" man that he never takes a drink of water, without giving thanks. That Elder’s name was Harold Elm, and he was from a generation that never would have associated water with something in a plastic bottle, purchased at a store.

His wife never planted corn, watered her gardens, or took part in a harvest without recognizing these activities as part of a ceremony. There isn’t really an end to that ceremony, because part of that corn becomes seed for the next year’s cycle. But there is a time she prepared the corn for her family’s meals.

There is a different consciousness found in Mr. Elm’s relationship to water, than to that of the person who produces bottled water. Mrs. Elm had a different relationship to the produce of her gardens, than Barbara Bush has to the produce her servants prepare for their "Thanksgiving" feast.

There is a real world, and there is an un-real world. One produces cool spring water and healthy food. The other creates fear and anxiety. No one can go "back in time," and few can inhabit a world that is fully detached from the tensions of modern society. How we find a balance between the wonderful advantages of modern technology, and the hustle and bustle of our high-tech society.

{3} "Sometimes, having had a surfeit of human society and gossip, and worn out from all my village friends, I rambled still farther westward than I habitually dwell, into yet more unfrequented parts of the town, ‘to fresh woods and pastures new,’ or, while the sun was setting , made my supper of huckleberries and blueberries on Fair Haven Hill, and laid up a store for several days. The fruits do not yield their true flavor to the purchaser of them, nor to him who raises them for the market. There is but one way to obtain it, yet few take that way. If you would know the flavor of huckleberries, ask the cow-boy or the partridge. It is a vulgar error to suppose that you have tasted huckleberries who have never plucked them. A huckleberry never reaches Boston; they have not been known there since they grew on her three hills. The ambrrosial and essential part of the fruit is lost with the bloom which is rubbed off in the market cart, and they become mere provender. As long as Eternal Justice reigns, not one innocent huckleberry can be transported thither from the country’s hills." – Walden; Henry David Thoreau; Chapter 9: The Ponds.

This weekend, I was able to eat huckleberries and blueberries growing on my land. I am lucky to live in a rural area, on an old farm. For generations, the people who lived here had a relationship with the fruit trees and berry bushes that I enjoy today. My daughters and their friends spent a few hours picking raspberries, which made their morning meal seem like dessert

My cousin has been here much of the past three days. He knew that I have wanted to put a pond on a swampy area on my property. I rented the machine, and he did the work. Like on any project, some things went "wrong." It would be easy to react by being upset, but it is easier – more natural – to not become upset when you are surrounded by open fields and children picking berries.

My cousin has a grasp of machines which I do not; I am able to identify certain plants that indicate a source of water 8 to 10 feet below the surface. Then, on another section, he found the water supply, located the 3 feet down, just below the frost-line in the coldest of winters. Years ago, one of my father’s elderly friends told me that his father, as a youth, helped lay the leather "pipe" that carried the water to an old, long-gone barn. Though that leather is also long-gone, the wood shaft was still there. My pond has water coming in.

My cousin asked, "Can you imagine how long it took to put that in 100 years ago?" Yes, but life moved at a different pace 100 and 200 years ago, when other people lived in this old house. And I am closer to that reality than to the anxious-nervous-frightened non-reality of republicans. I find that I can deal with the toxic parts of our fast-moving modern society by stepping back into the peace of "not doing" that Thoreau advocated.

Elaine Penwardin noted that "while pursuing the humblest occupation – such as planting or cutting flowers, I perceived, as a chink of light through a door opened quickly, a greater plan of things than our programme for the year, a larger world than that surrounding us, and one universal pattern of things, in which all existence has its place …. I have felt peace descend on me while I have handled plants, so that a rhythm and harmony of being has been brought about. That harmony is the beginning of health ….. There is a universal pattern, a pattern that flows like a stream, like the moving pattern of a dance. It is possible even through such contact with the earth as I have had, to be drawn into that pattern and move with it." (It’s the Plants That Matter; 1967)

We can’t fight fear by being afraid. We can’t cure the anxiety and depression that damages Americans’ daily lives by accepting the corporate definition of reality, which capitalizes on people’s anxieties and depression. We need a change in consciousness in this land. That’s as politically necessary as the 2008 elections, and as socially progressive as making education and health care available to everyone in the country.







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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:05 PM
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1. I believe that this is the coolest, most insightful post I have ever seen here.
Thank you H2O Man.

My family is the steward of land that we have inhabited since 1630 (Texas).

Thank you for a beautiful piece of writing.

Tom
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:08 PM
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4. Thank you.
Sometimes I wonder if I should post things like this on DU. I appreciate that you enjoyed this one.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:12 PM
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7. Hear hear
:thumbsup:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:12 AM
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39. That last paragraph.... A return to a spiritual grounding in a harmony with creation, nourished by
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 09:27 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
a regained reverence for it. There.... I've mananged to make a sow's ear out of a silk purse!

PS: I've just seen on TV, a few seconds ago, the tiny, crystal-clear spring from which the River Congo, the largest river in sub-Saharan Africa flows. Awesome to meditate on.

Something else, that old H2O Man, and no mistake.

In the spirtual desert they inhabit, the so-called "have more"s could own all the most beautiful, unspoiled, natural territories in the world, and the most simple peaceful contentment and joy would still forever elude their grasp.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:06 PM
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2. I live in the mountains of NC
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 10:07 PM by G_j
I religiously go for hikes, stop at streams, listen...

I used to have a cabin in the woods with a sweat lodge next to it, but now I live in the city. For many years I communed with the natural elements in that way also. I sorely miss that, but still I have access to nature and it is a key to my spiritual survival.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:09 PM
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5. My younger son
has this one-room "cabin" that we are moving over near the pond:

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:28 PM
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11. perfect! n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:54 PM
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16. It won't be
hard for him to cut up enough firewood to keep me warm in there this winter. He likes to box, and so I'll let him use my old axes and saws to get in shape.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:08 PM
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3. k&r
:thumbsup:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:10 PM
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6. What A Refreshingly Cool Drink This Essay Is
Needed to read it, to be pulled back to the brink of reasonableness. Sometimes you just have to stop, be reminded. I too, have had my moments of being caught up in 'what if". Not without reason, I'd say, given the circumstances and the people. But a steady diet of it can be as harmful as eating cardboard dumplings. Fresh berries are better.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:21 PM
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9. One of the books
that I read this weekend as my cousin dug the pond was "To Become a Human Being." It is by Steve Wall, the National Geographic photographer who co-wrote "Wisdom Keepers" with friend Harvey Arden. This book is the message of Leon Shenandoah, the late Tadodaho of the Iroquois. In it, Leon talks about the benefits of all people -- Indian and non-Indian alike -- getting back into actively participating in the ceremonies of life. Leon talked about how modern society had "covered up" those old ceremonies that connect us to the earth and to each other.

I was thinking about that after my cousin uncovered the old water supply. It also reminded me of years ago, before I became disabled, and I thought that one area near my house needed a "walk-way." I got materials ready, and started the job. About 8 inches down, I found there was an old, well-made walk-way, needing only to be uncovered. I remember telling my supervisor at work about it, and him laughing and saying that I wasn't the first person to have the idea of putting a walk-way there.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:23 PM
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22. I Was Reading About This Book, 'The Wild Trees', Earlier Today
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 11:24 PM by Me.
And thought I'd share it here:

“Richard Preston, best known for The Hot Zone, the terrifying tale of the Ebola virus, is a science writer with an uncommon gift for turning complex biology into riveting page-turners. In The Wild Trees, he hoists himself into a gentler subject: old-growth forests, mostly redwoods, that have managed to evade the timber industry's blades and still live along the coast of northern California. Preston assures us that, amazingly, until the past two decades the ecosystem formed by the intertwining limbs of these ancient, gargantuan living things had never really been studied. Preston introduces us to several researchers, most prominently botanist Stephen C. Sillett, who are probing the mysteries of the skyscraper-high forest canopy. In addition to Sillett, there's Michael Taylor, a millionaire's son and speed-chess champion who is afraid of heights but downsizes his life to work as a grocery clerk while he searches for the world's tallest tree, and Marie Antoine, who at the age of 8 lost her mother to cancer and became a scholar of lichens. Eventually, Preston, who took up tree-climbing as a respite from writing, joins them up in the treetops.

Preston invokes the spirit of, among others, Darwin, Audubon and Jacques Cousteau as he makes the case that Sillett and the others are master explorers who have begun to reveal the enchantment and majesty of the world's largest living things, some of them thousands of years old. And a reader can't help but compare these skywalking Ph.Ds, inventors and oddballs with mountaineers such as Whymper, Mallory, Hillary and Norgay who challenged the world's highest peaks, especially as the tree climbers bestow appropriately grand names on their discoveries: Atlas, Gaia, Icarus, Helios, Hyperion, the Screaming Titans. In his rich metaphorical style, Preston makes us feel the forest undergrowth tearing at the explorers' clothes, the wind swaying the "Treeboats" they sleep in, the bees stinging their faces as they make epic ascents of behemoths. Stands of virgin redwoods that survive amid clear-cut stumps are like "Mohawk haircuts." When a middle-aged redwood loses its top spire, it is "a little like a man going bald." The expansive crown of a really old tree "can look like a thunderhead coming to a boil." Redwoods "as tall as an office building" are balanced in a "pancake of roots" so shallow one looks like "a pencil standing in mud."

This ambitious narrative has multiple interconnected branches. Preston instructs us in the history of old-growth forests, explains forest-floor and canopy ecology, tells how gadgets and techniques to climb were invented and introduces recreational tree-climbing as a sport. Throughout, he weaves in the personal stories of a crew that includes the studious, the brave and the eccentric.” Cont…

http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Trees-Story-Passion-Daring/dp/1400064899
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:14 PM
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8. I stopped reading at the 4th paragraph because I want to share what I do,...
,...without influence from whatever followed in your OP.

My family and friends are immediate priority no matter what my personal interests.

I connect with every person in my path, even if our perceptions differ,...because,...I CAN connect with others and feel a sense of joy everytime I do connect with another person.

I maximize the resources I have at hand and do better, everyday.

I PLAN to reach out further but accept whatever life may deliver.

I am addicted to understanding the human condition and dream of being a piece of peace in that condition.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:32 PM
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12. NOW, I can reveal adaptation to my rural existence, having read the rest of your OP.
I wondered if I'd get through the first winter in "rural" life. I could go on and on about adapting from "sure-thing" hot water and dishwashers and heat and,...blah, blah, blah,...

,...having every small wildlife critter move into your warm home is quite the experience for a spoiled, convenience-hugging, UNCONSCIENCE brat of a "SELF-SERVING" society.

Now, I struggle to remember "that world" which takes and takes and takes.

I figure the takers are indocrinated to take and take and take, blindly.

While the right-wing wackers scream value for life,...they take. I GIVE TO LIFE, without expectation of anything in return. Giving is enough, for me.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:51 PM
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15. When we first
moved in this house, my wife thought it would be good to not have tv. For a little over 5 years, rather than sit in front of a screen, we would engage in other activities. One example was sitting around the fireplace in the cold season, and having fun doing things like making music (my wife and children are all talented musicians, and put up with me because I can write lyrics faster than they can). And I would tell my children something that one of my friends told me: that in this era, when the world is moving faster and faster, and our culture seems to be spinning out of control, we need to make a conscious effort to step back.

It sounds like you recognize the benefits of that, too.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:11 PM
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19. I have developed an appreciation for moments,....none of them are "ordinary".
There is no "ordinary" human experience.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:57 AM
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36. That is really great
You must enjoy every day that way.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:26 PM
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10. I too often forget
to say thank you. Life "moves too fast" etc.. bla, bla...
I can say that one can even offer a thank you for the air we breathe and contemplate this miracle also.

I truly believe that if we can learn ONCE AGAIN to nourish an "attitude of gratitude" in our culture for the simplest things like water, air, food, friends, human life has the potential of regaining it's balance.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:36 PM
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13. Beautiful post H20 Man. You are an exceptional writer able to paint pictures with your words.
When I find my stress levels extremely high lately, I take my 2 children and volunteer at our local dog shelter. It seems to be the only time when I can take the thoughts of what is transpiring completely out of my mind. Although I have 2 wonderful adopted dogs of my own, it is working with these less fortunate dogs, many older and formerly abused, that completely removes the negativity from my thoughts. The difficult part comes in leaving and returning to the real world.

I've tried walks in the woods, biking and other outdoor activities but my mind seems to drift back to worldly problems. I have recently begun to paint the house, but that too doesn't erase the perils of the world. I don't enjoy many of the things that I used to, like socializing, as I find it infuriating that most people are willing to pay attention and attempt to correct what is occurring-just too self absorbed in their own daily lives.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:10 PM
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18. That's nice
of you to volunteer at the dog shelter. When I read your post, I was reminded of Gandhi's saying that only living things bring living joy to human beings.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:38 PM
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14. Thank you, sir.
I needed that. My daughter and son needed me to have that.

K n R
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:58 PM
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17. There are two realities.
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 11:09 PM by Gregorian
There is one inside of our minds. And there is one in the world.

I spoke with a friend a few days ago. She was carrying her grandson on her shoulders. He said, "Grandma, I don't want your bones to become brittle and turn to dust". She replied by saying, "Close your eyes. Can you see me?". After some talk, he realized that he could still see her. I found this most powerful a perspective. This is a positive, philosophical and perhaps even real reality.

But there is also the the physical reality that we experience right now. That of the environment. It is different than our lives in a sense. Maybe it's just a longer lifespan. But it has to be here for future generations. All I want to say about it is one example. One undeniable example. In western society, every child that is born also gives birth to an automobile.

Of course it isn't that simple. The math doesn't support my statement exactly. But the idea is that in our society, we have some serious changes to make.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:14 PM
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20. Right.
Serious changes are in the future. And not the distant future. The only question is if we are going to be the agents of positive change, or the victims of the harsh, cruel realities that we call "nature."

We can't make positive changes by attempting to remain the same.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:07 AM
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44. That is exactly why I worry. Thank you.
I see the trap being set by people's own ignorance. And greed. And boredom. While so much time is going by. I see leadership playing an essential role in turning people's thinking around. Carter was the last president who was speaking this way.

Your words are the same ones I use. The very thought that WE can make the change, or we can have it done for us by the planet. And earth (or nature) is heartless and ugly.

For years I have yelled into the wind. It's so helpful to hear others acknowledge the truth of this situation.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:18 PM
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21. Life is what is you make it.
Reality is what you examine,...and there is certainly more than two.

No offense to you, sincerely.

"Reality" is an examination of what we can see and measure. For some, it's an incredibly rich adventure,...the examination of facts. Others prefer to ignore what is.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:27 PM
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23. And, serenity is the ability (or perhaps, the willingness?) to move
between inside and outside,

I read H20 Man's OP about an hour ago and have been asking, what DO I do to recharge? And after the obvious, which is talking to friends at DU, I thought of how lately I'm really looking at the grasses that grow out here on the beach. There are so many -- and even the same plant looks like something else season to season. It's surprising how you can live in a place for years and not see it.

But also, the OP made me remember how, when my sons were 4 and 7, they'd go out and pick blackberries so I could make pie for supper. Sometimes, they'd come home with empty buckets and blue cheeks and tell me very seriously that there were no berries to be found. lol


:toast:

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:15 AM
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45. I love that.
I'm not even sure why. Maybe it's the innocence of your sons following their instincts. Impatience. Happiness. Satisfaction. Plus you didn't have to even make the pie.

I made blackberry pies last year when I still had my farm. I'd also go walking out by the creeks and just eat the best ones.

One of the things that was on my mind when I posted was the loss of places to go in order to be at peace. Whether it's cars or people or even noise from planes in the sky. I remember the penninsula when it was quiet. Of course it's subjective, to a degree. But I see that degree getting smaller by the minute.

Man, I didn't think this thread would tolerate my comments so well. I am still very worried. But not as much about us as about China and the other growing places.

Oh well. I've got sunshine to go feel. The fog is almost burned off.

I can see those blue faces. That's great.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:29 PM
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24. wonder story-thank you.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:37 PM
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25. Superb, H2O Man, just superb
Peace.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:41 AM
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28. Thank you.
In 1996, a friend who taught at the State University in Oneonta, NY suggested a book by Charles Lewis (Green Nature/Human Nature) to me. We had been discussing something that had happened at work. A person I worked with was having a hard time adjusting to life in a small city. I had bought him a small bird feeder, which had suction cups that allowed him to attach it to the window in his 3rd story apartment. It certainly didn't "cure" his depression, but it did get him interested in various types of seeds to attract different birds, and got him to the public library to read more about birds and feeders. Small stuff in the greater scheme, perhaps, but real. My friend, who has a passion for environmental psychology, encouraged me to do more in the area of plants.

By chance, the director of community services had bought a greenhouse kit, which had been in a box for about two years, which was intended for the day treatment program. The contractor who had constructed the buildings which housed the day treatment program, the psycho-social club, and the alcohol & drug abuse services, kept putting off the green house "construction." And so I organized the clients, and we built the greenhouse.

More and more, as I watch the insanity that some journalists used to call "the Bush doctrine," I find that I benefit from watching the bird feeders, and interacting with the plants that grow on this land. I know that I am fortunate to live in a rural area. But for those who live in urban areas, it is possible to do the same things on a different scale. I imagine it is probably at least as beneficial for them.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:32 AM
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32. Oh, I love to watch the birds!
Mostly I buy black sunflower seeds to attract cardinals, and thistle to attract yellow finches, and sugar water to attract hummingbirds. But during the various seasons of the year, we also get other interesting birds, too many to list. I have several bird books and always on the lookout for birds passing thru. My 5 year old grandson enjoys helping me fill all the feeders and counting the various colors of birds.

I have begun walking every morning, mostly for exercise. But an added benefit is listening to the robins and cardinals singing. And watching the early morning sunrise. It is such a pleasant time of the day.

Thank you for your OP.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:08 AM
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26. Being, by "not doing". I needed that.
And thanks for pushing my Upstate NY buttons.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:06 AM
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31. A week ago,
I had a visit from a friend who I hadn't seen in over 25 years. He lives near LA, and doesn't get back to this area often. We walked down the old dirt road to this waterfalls, and he was saying how different this walk was for him, than the hectic pace he is part of when he walks the busy streets of cities like LA.

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:08 AM
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38. Funny. I don't get back often, either.
And I'm in LA.

That photo reminds of a "swimming hole" just outside of Margretville to the SE off Rte 30. Twenty years since I last saw it.

I wouldn't be surprised if you know the spot.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:21 AM
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41. I know Margaretville
as I used to be employed in human services in Delaware County. I am not familiar with the "swimming hole" you mention, but think that one of the nicest things about this part of the country is how many spots like this there are. In just a few miles around where I am, there are five beautiful waterfalls, and another six "swimming holes" on the creek. My children and I find everything from artifacts dating back to the Lamoke culture (circa 2000 bc) to a mill stone made "back East" in the late 1700s around the site in the photo.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 03:57 AM
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27. Thanks for the literary "St. John's Wort"! Much needed and appreciated.
I have a small yard in Santa Fe. Just being here is marvelous. No sky like a Santa Fe sky.

I run my two German Shepherds, Meg and Max, almost every day out there. Twenty minutes in pursuit of racquet balls makes them happy, pooped pups. Gets a little of the wim and wigor out of them. Max sleeps in the bathtub every night to get away from his "bitch" sister. She is one, and she's got the papers to prove it. Dogs are the best people!

And then I drink green jasmine tea and look at my hollyhocks. I think in another incarnation I *was* a hollyhock plant. I may not have evolved much since then, but I'm working on just standing in one place and being calm, exuding joy, like my favorite pink flowers.

What could be more perfect? :)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:33 AM
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48. My shepherd
is named "Mugs," and there are times when I wish I could be reincarnated as him in the future, because he has more fun than anyone else I know. My brother used to raise shepherds (near LA) in the '80s and '90s, and he told me that having the males was like hanging around a group of clowns.

I used to raise birds -- chickens, ducks, geese, and turkey -- and had a lot of coyote come through. I think they considered my property a "drive through" for a quick snack. Mugsey's being here ended that routine. He's never bothered the deer that pass through here; the small herd that dines under our apple trees don't seem concerned by him. Though we hear them across the creek at night, I haven't seen any evidence of the coyote on my property since Mugs moved in with us.

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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:47 PM
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71. Mugs is beautiful! I've had German Shepherds in my life forever...
... starting with the two seeing-eye Shepherds owned by friends of my grandparents -- a married couple who were both blind.

I took a sentimental journey back to upstate New York three summers ago. I lived in Ballston Spa, near Saratoga Springs, as a child. I've never forgotten the turning leaves in autumn.

Life is good.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:41 AM
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29. This past Weekend
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 07:43 AM by formercia
we went into the Maine North Woods, a place where you can spend all day and not hear the noises of modern society. I can understand why people enjoy walking the Appalachian Trail. We stopped at a couple of places where the trail crossed our path, once to fish for wild Brook Trout and another just to enjoy the view.

If you ever get the chance to hike the Trail, I highly recommend it. The only down side, is the other people there and the evidence they leave behind.

I remember almost stepping int to a still steaming pile of Moose droppings and wondering if the depositor was watching me. Moose don't scare easily. There's an old saying that if you call in a Bull Moose, you have two choices, shoot it or give it up.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:09 AM
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50. That sounds like fun.
My wife and I used to like to head up to the northern part of NYS, and hike the trails there. These days, I am not able to get out as much. I'm lucky that our children have taken the time to clear a number of paths around our property for me to enjoy. One of my favorites is an old turnpike, from the late 1700s. Our driveway is part of the long-gone stage coach route, and our house an old "station." Here is a picture of part of it:

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:30 AM
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52. Metal detector?
probably a number of old coins about. We live in a small ante-bellum farm house that is across the road from an old stage coach stop. So far, i've found 2 Civil War era coins digging in my flower beds. There's probably more. It gives me a reason to dig more flower and veggie beds.

Too bad you can't get out more. I dread the day I can't go hiking in the woods, even just to sit under an old tree and watch the grass grow.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:40 AM
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53. For a long time,
I've thought about getting a metal detector. A good friend had suggested that I should get one, and had mentioned the likelihood of old coins, too. I don't know much about them, but am under the impression that I could buy or rent one for a reasonable amount.

Near the far edge of my lawn, there used to be an old blacksmith shop. I believe it was there until at least 1900. And near the falls, there was a cloth & carding "factory" up until at least 1807.

I know that even when my sons dig a flower bed for me, they always find things. Some old, some not-so-old. The next time my younger son stops by, I do believe that I'll get him to go rent us one, so that we can get an idea how well it works. There is a place that rents them in a community about 12 miles from here.

My friend told me that with old stage coach stations, one would do well to check near the doors and under the windows. I guess that makes sense.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:50 PM
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73. Renting one is a good idea.
If it doesn't work well due to mineralization or just a lot of worthless metal around, you won't be out much. Try a couple of different models. One might work better than the other under your conditions. Get a couple of Silver coins and bury them to get an idea of how the detector works under your conditions.
I wound up building my own several years ago. It used to be a hobby. I became involved with a bunch of characters that were looking for the Lost Dutchman treasure and used to build equipment for them. The feds have closed the area off now.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:01 AM
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30. Beautiful post
Thanks.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:36 AM
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33. I'm fortunate enough to have a back door that looks out to the gorgeous high Sonoran desert.
Part of my view is obstructed by a wonderful man-made object--the Central Arizona Project canal. I can look past the canal to the northern hills where the water is gathered, then see the conduit--originally put there literally thousands of years ago by the Anasazi.

My husband won't drink water out of the tap, but I can't stand bottled water. I can't explain it, but it just isn't "there," if that makes any sense. I have to laugh about the fact that that water 50 yards from my backdoor still goes through so many man-made processes before it gets to me, but it's that one extra process that just makes it seem less viable.

I've had the wonderful opportunity to grow up both in rural and urban areas and I truly appreciate the wonders of both. I've studied the WPA as a hobby and I can look at the magnificence of the man-made structures at the Grand Canyon with as much amazement as I can the canyon itself. They are the coming together of the wonders of nature, technology, and just good, old fashioned hard work done for the best of reasons.

In short, I'm "connected," I think. I don't dwell or think deeply about how, I just appreciate that I am.

I'm clouding up after reading that post. Hope has a tendency to do that to me lately. Thanks, H2OMan, once again.

K&R.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:00 AM
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37. My neighbor
came over last night to see the pond. We were discussing "the neighborhood," including one fellow who has created disputes by stealing timber and old stone walls from another person's land. Some people just don't fit in. But, on the other hand, there is a new kid in the neighborhood. He's in his early 20s, I think, and he is so excited to have bought 12 acres for a price that my neighbor and I think was a bit steep. Anyhow, there was an old CCC pond on the property, that had been dry for decades. There was a leak somewhere, and the pond is on the side of a mountain that is steeper than the price the fellow paid. But the fellow bought an old bulldozer, and re-made that pond.

I think that sums up where we are as a nation. There are a few confused people who think they gain an advantage from stealing the timber and stone from their neighbors. And there are other good people, who are working to rebuild the old structures that made this country its potential.
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il_lilac Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:37 AM
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34. thank you
just got back from a week without tv, internet, newspapers. Took a youth group about 200 miles away on a mission trip and refurbished some low income housing. The kids were obsessed with the fact that there was no tv the first day. During the day we worked hard as we transformed that dirty hellhole into a place we hoped would be a clean,safe haven for the family that would move in next week. After work, we prepared a meal together, and went to either play basketball, swim, or take a walk. My favorite evening I was obsessed with seeing the sun set on the mighty Mississippi river. Having worked hard, ate well, I found a peace there that I had forgotten. I must go to water to recharge. It is life.And yes, I gave thanks.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:29 PM
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70. Years ago,
work crews came from other states, and did work for low-income home owners in our area. I was able to refer a number of the people I worked with to the program. I remember one house in particular, which caught the students' attention. It was in part because they worked long hours at each house, and so they became very familiar with parts of the homes, including the bathrooms.

In the one home, there wasn't a modern bathroom. It had the old-fashioned "outhouse" attached to the back of the building. As summer turned to fall, one of the adult crew leaders got back in touch with the elderly people in the house. He paid to have a contractor build a nice modern bathroom inside the house. That was one of the things that really has impressed me in life. It might sound strange, but I thought it showed the basic goodness of people, that a guy several states away would not only come here with a dedicated group of idealistic youth, and do such a great service, but would also carry it a step further a few months later.

I think it is great that you are doing the same type of work. It is laying the building blocks of that change of consciousness that this culture really needs. Thank you for that.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:55 AM
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35. Thanks for sharing
I don't know exactly how we will get back in balance on the earth. Many people are able have a high enough view to realize just how in trouble we are. My view is sort of in between, not being able to just buy into modern society, or to see how I can make any major change.

I do believe that the earth, the lakes, the animals all belong to themselves and that is where the earth will return someday. A human being owning part of a beach always felt to me as completely wrong and still does.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:14 AM
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40. When I was young,
Chief Waterman used to tell me that every living thing was an important part of the web of life on earth. He said that the connectedness provided benefits for all. He said that only the humans were really unnecessary, and so that indicated that we are here to learn from everything around us. I think that we learn by participating in that universal pattern that Elaine Penwardin describes as a dance.

Almost every year that I've lived here, I've had people stop and ask if they can hunt on my land. (Twice I've found people who didn't ask!) I politely tell them no, I do not allow hunting on my property. Animals are "safe" here, except for the small rodents that our cats ingest.

At the same time, I recognize that those who hunt and fish tend to be among the most active in environmental protection, because they appreciate the land and water, and recognize the severe damage that our culture is doing to our environment.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:37 AM
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42. I am glad you don't hunt
It is a cause I have adopted. I have always had an activist strain in me, but did not respond to the call until recently. I went to a local DNR meeting with 99% hunters. I saw a picture of a bear trap and the site of it went right through me. Then a dream told me this could be a good cause and purpose. I have to read all about hunting and hunters now, and become acutely aware of the horrors of animals in pain.

As for hunters and fisherman being conservationist, I do not see it. I am appalled at how few people in DNR service get into the business because they want to help nature. The hunting community just has the wilderness and the DNR to themselves, they own it. The mentality is very low in my opinion.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:50 AM
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43. It's posts like this that make me come back for more....
I, too, live the rural life and I swear the close contact with nature helps keep me sane during these trying times.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:46 PM
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66. This is
what the pond looks like now. It's not big, only about 45' by 85'. But it will be perfect for me.

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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:55 PM
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67. Excellent
That will be a real treat.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:05 PM
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68. And here
is the horse shoe that popped up at the edge:

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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 03:11 PM
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74. Be patient with your pond
It will take a few years before nature reaches her own balance.

During the initial stages there will be some problems -- like mosquitoes.

But mosquitoes are food, so natural predators will arrive to take care of them.

If you grow tall pond grass or reeds around the pond -- dragonflies will settle there.

They are the most beautiful, mystical creatures. They are astonishing to watch with their extraordinary flying and diving skills. They come in brilliant, incredible colors.

They can eat up to 600 insects a day, and mosquitoes are their favorite food. In the south they are known as "Mosquito Hawks".

Here's the thing: It takes from 1-3 years for a dragonfly to pupate -- to go from the nymph state (when they live in water and prolifically eat mosquito larvae), and after they mature they evolve into the astonishing adult beauty that will enchant you.

We used to have dragonfly "sentries" that would fly back and forth in front of the screens of our open windows and doors where the mosquitoes would gather attracted to the carbon dioxide from our breath. The sentries would snatch them up at dusk.

My warning to you is that you need to be cautious about neighbors and county spraying programs because dragonflies are super-sensitive to pesticides. If they are wiped out -- it means that you have nature's top mosquito predator wiped out.

Here on our N. Florida land we have an ancient pond that with Indian burial mounds. It used to have thousands of dragonflies, which of all the critters, is by far the most valuable as a bug controlling entity. And our pond had every imaginable type of critter naturally attracted to this old water site-- but because of pesticides, their numbers diminished greatly since we first moved here -- even though there are only two homes built on this pond, and neither of us use pesticides on our land. The reason for their demise? In 2000 the county decided to start truck spraying for mosquitoes and although we won't let them spray our 21 acres, and neither does our neighbor, we now almost never seen a dragonfly, whereas we used to see thousands.

Another huge change: The summer nights are also much less noisy with the sounds of thousands of insects, frogs, toads, etc., that used to be so loud that we couldn't hear ourselves speak when outside at night.

Now the sounds emanating from the pond during summer months are weaker -- more like what one would expect in January.

Nothing is more stupid and self-defeating than spraying poison in the air -- purposefully killing thousands of beneficial
insects.

No matter how beautifully we argued our case to use BTI instead of petrochemical poisons, no matter how well we documented our concerns, the county would not listen. Now everybody I talk to says they notice a huge decline in amphibians and dragonflies throughout our county.

End of rant
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 03:22 PM
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75. I'm not sure
if the grasses near the pond show up well in this photo, but it is in a swamp, and we get to see a good many dragonflies. I like the name "mosquito hawk" -- it fits them well.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:48 PM
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79. Got my own little pond that I made when we were excavating/doing foundation work.
I had a 5 acre field with good gravel....we dug down about 10 feet and it a spring....so we widened that up to create a small spring fed pond. It's becoming a popular spot for photographers to come to take pics of the deer and assorted other wildlife that show up.

Have to tell you, H2O man, that, right after I posted in this thread, I went downstairs to get a cup of coffee. I witnessed quite an extraordinary event. We have a fair amount of morning doves that hang out up here (they kind of drive me crazy because they start their "singing" at 1st light). Anyways, I saw one flying in front of the kitchen window....and BLAM!, a red-tailed hawk drove the thing right into the ground. It was really startling to see how quick and hard it hit that dove...feathers flying everywhere. After it got it firmly in its talons, it exited to a nearby tree to enjoy its meal. Nature is like that. :-)

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:22 PM
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81. Indeed, it is.
Hawks are a powerful bird, and along with the beauty of watching them soar in the sky, is the violent impact of their catching a meal. I have seen a hawk carrying snakes, and once, saw one take off from our lawn with a duckling. Only once have I witnessed a "hit" -- and to be honest, I wasn't expecting it, and didn't actually "see" it clearly. It looked like a rabbit was flattened and grew wings a second or two later.

My daughters have cats, and the outdoors cats are some of the best hunters I've seen. Unlike a hawk, cats do not kill always their victims quickly. My daughters tend to react differently to a cat catching a chipmunk than a mouse, or a wild rabbit as opposed to a mole. But nature is what it is.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:25 AM
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46. Mandevillas Vine....Summer of the birds, butterflies and wonder...
Your wonderful article nudged me to share what the KoKo household has done this Summer to cope with the stress. While rummaging around our garden center this spring we saw this incredibly beautiful vine staked and growing in a pot. It was over six fee high on the stake with large fushia pink flowers. I couldn't think of why I should buy it...but kept being drawn back to it and eventually decided it was just too beautiful not to and I could maybe train it up a post on our deck.

We brought it home in it's large pot and wrapped the tendrels around our deck post and figured that it probably wouldn't last more than a week. It's now the end of July and it's grown like Jack's beanstalk up to the top of the lattice work we have over part of our deck which is probably about 14 feet up. Every day we look at it it seems to grow inches and has attracted hummingbirds, butterflies and birds who just like to perch in it's lush leaves and large blooms. I even saw a honeybee sitting on one of the blooms one day and I haven't seen any honeybees in our area for a couple of years, now.

Visitors keep asking "What is that vine?" And, since this is the first year I've seen it in our garden center, I decided to do some research. Here's information I found from Local Harvest (which also supplies heirloom plants and seeds, mail order) plus a quote from their website that goes along with the theme of your post. And, I wondered if I was so attracted to that plant because it is described as: "its heavy green leaves and coarse stems adapt to any condition." Finding ways to be more adaptable "under any condition" particularly the stress many folks here on DU are feeling is the way to go and having one wonderous thing of nature that delights with something new every day gives much to look forward to even for those of us with small yards in cities.






Nature creates the best essentials for the mind, body, and spirit..MMN

http://www.localharvest.org/store/item.jsp?id=8304


The flowers are stunning.This pink morning glory blooms in abundance and is an excellent choice for any sunny location indoors. Put outside on a porch or a patio during the summer and watch this tropical vine grow. Flowering nine months out of the year, its heavy green leaves and coarse stems adapt to any condition. Profuse floral display.

Mandevillas (Depladenia) are showy, relatively small vines that are popular for their heavy production of large, colorful trumpet shaped flowers. This very floriferous hybrid is one of the showiest of all pink flowered vines, with clusters of 3"-4" bright rose pink trumpets with dark pink throats in summer and fall. Handsome leathery dark green leaves, twining stems.

A popular vine that likes heat and grows well in containers. It must have good drainage. Tropical America. 30 F.

Mandevilla Vine gracefully twines its way up a trellis or fence, eventually covering it's supports with pretty, oval leaves. It is vigorous and fast growing.

Full sun, grows to 1.5-3’ in container, vining in habit, minimum temperature 60°, blooms in spring, summer and fall.

We specialize in heirloom seeds, native medicinal herbs, culinary herbs, and natural bath products.


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:37 PM
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77. That's a nice vine!
Great flowers on it, too.

One of the books I bought years ago was the Reader's Digest "Back to Basics." It has a lot of things of interest to those who homestead, etc. I re-read the book when we moved here, and I remember parts of it had to do with grape vines. We have some, near the old orchard. There is something fascinating about vines.

Thank you for sharing the photo, and the information about the plant!
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:27 AM
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47. I simply have no words. That was beautiful in a way I can't express. nt.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 10:28 AM by swimmernsecretsea
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:38 PM
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78. Thank you.
I am glad that you enjoyed it.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:47 AM
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49. I picked tomatoes and squash this morning
from my small garden. In a little while, I will go out and water everything, so the plants will survive the 100 deg.F. day. There is peace to be found in gardens and the natural world.

Thanks for the word picture; I am not good with verbal stuff, preferring music or oil painting for my expression.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:55 PM
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84. I miss being
able to grow gardens like I used to. Some of my favorite memories are of helping my grandfather, who had the best gardens that I have ever seen. Of course, my attempts to grow tomatoes never measured up to his; as much as I like tomatoes, I will admit the best tasting ones never came from my gardens. (grin) But squash .... I loved to grow squash. Being from central NY, and having my grandfather for a teacher, meant that the "three sisters" of corn, beans, and squash were what I grew best.

Your post made a word picture in my mind: you mentioned picking the produce in the morning, and I remember how much I loved walking out barefoot in the morning, when the grass was still damp, and the soil in my garden would cling to my feet. I'd pick small squash and cucumbers, and eat a few as I looked around to decide what produce was coming back to the house with me.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 11:20 AM
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51. I was so in need of reading this, thank you so very much
may peace always be your friend and mentor
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:57 PM
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85. Thank you.
I am pleased that you enjoyed it. And peace to you, too, my Friend.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:13 PM
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54. you are a lucky man, H20
I would give anything to live on land my family had owned for a long time.

From where I am sitting right now, in a rented home in the Pacific Northwest, I can see a corner of the house that was once my grandmother's. But these buildings are three thousand miles from the lands my family settled in the New World in the 1600s. For 304 years my mother's family tended family land along the Cape and up and down the Connecticut River. It is all lost to me, gone when her family came West in 1924. I mourn the loss of those roots every day.

Young people, take note from this thread: holding on to a family place is a priceless thing to do.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:23 PM
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86. That's interesting.
Moving that far, after living for so long in one general area .... it's not that different, really, than the move from (I assume) Europe in the 1600s. I often wonder about what motivates some people to move, while others stay in the same area. In my father's family, groups were coming from Ireland for decades in the 1800s. They would work, save, and help the next group come over. Then they helped them get work (stone cutters on the canals and then railroads in NJ/NYC and upstate NY), save, and help the next group. In the early 1900s, some moved back to the Old Sod, which was probably based on the same feelings that you express about your family's land.

But in every family, one guy would head west. They were called "Boomers," because they were looking for the next boom town, which was sure to be found in the next town, or state. So I know of great-great uncles, great uncles, uncles, and a brother who ended up in California. Of the three generations of these fellows I've known, they were all a little more restless than their siblings who remained on the east coast.

What, if I might ask, motivated your family to move from the east coast to the west coast?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:16 PM
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55. I am so in awe of your eloquence and beauty here.
This is one of the most inspirational posts I've read here in a long time. Thank you.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 06:25 PM
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87. Thank you.
I had debated in my own mind if I should post it, or not. The responses on here make me glad that I did. I'm pleased that you enjoyed it, and appreciate that you let me know!
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:18 PM
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56. What a beautiful post
And if i could be so selfish as to reply with a plea for my favorite critters? I hope you won't introduce fish in your pond... IMO, there is nothing better to teach children about the wonder of nature than a vernal pool. Frogs, salamanders, larval insects, fairy shrimp, fingernail clams... not sure what part of the country you live in, but i am never more at peace with the world than when watching life cycle under the surface of a little pond.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:31 PM
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58. When I was a little boy,
I used to spend hours and hours watching the salamanders in our pond, and in our neighbors' ponds as well. And watching (and listening to) frogs. I love froga and toads, and do not think it is a good sign that there are today but a fraction of the numbers I knew as a boy. But salamanders always were the most fascinating .... I remember that they reminded me of dinosaurs as they floated in the ponds.

I am definitely looking forward to the salamanders and frogs!
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:17 PM
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62. New York
You should be able to get some of my favorites -- the Ambystomatids -- yellow-spotted (probably what you saw as a kid), blue-spotted, Jeffersons, maybe even tigers? I'm excited for you! I'm in grad school, and my research is on how human modification of the landscape (roads, agriculture, etc) affects population genetics of marbled salamanders. It's a difficult thing -- i'm so at peace out in the woods, but then i come home and analyze the data and realize what an impact we're having on these little guys. I want my kids and grandkids to be able to experience what you and i did!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:39 PM
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64. I must admit
that I am not well-schooled in the types .... we have the yellow-spotted ones, plus the green ones which also become a reddish-orange and are called "newts" by people here. In the farm ponds of my childhood, there were hundreds and hundreds of them, probably about 2.5 to 3 inches. They would float about a foot below the surface of the water.

I will say, however, that in a near-by river, there is the largest population of "hellbenders" in NYS. Almost every year, students from a number of the regional state university branches come near by to view them. For many years, I was a willing volunteer guide to find the best places for the students to see them.

I also used to work with a group that showed a film "The Frog in the Pond" to people interested in environmental issues. It told about how the damage humans do to the environment had begun to impact the frog population. Even making notice of the differences in ability to find frogs, between a curious child and a feeble old man, I still find the reduction in the frog and toad population alarming.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:20 PM
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69. The green ones you describe
are indeed newts -- the Eastern or red-spotted newt, Notophthalmus viridescens (i am a nerd -- but i love the sound of those scientific names).

I am so jealous about the hellbenders!! I've been out many times in Ohio looking for them. They are very rare here; the siltation in the rivers is wiping them out throughout most of the state. There are only a few rivers where they are still found, and so far i've still never seen one in nature.

Local names in Appalachian counties are just as good as the Latin binomials: hellbenders are called "snot otters," and the Eastern newts are known as "red-spotted crick lizards." :-)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:40 PM
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88. The hellbenders
have a primitive look. I think that is why some people assume that they are other than harmless when they do happen to see them. Years ago, a reporter for the Oneonta NY newspaper (The Daily Star) did an article on how the Unadilla River, from it's intersection with the Susquehanna back for about 25 miles, had such a large hellbender population. I showed the article and picture to co-workers, who almost without exception thought they were repulsive. When I look at them, I am reminded of some of the dinosaurs that I read about as a child. My oldest brother had a great set of plastic dinosaurs that one of our uncles bought him at a museum, and I wish I could recall the name of one type .... but it isn't one of the more common ones that an old man can easily recall.

It's funny, but my oldest brother has serious issues related to head injuries from a career in boxing, and substance abuse after he retired from the ring. There are days he knows me, and days he doesn't. Two years ago, our "middle" brother came back from the west coast to visit. He told me that it was difficult seeing our brother, who was not having a good day. So he asked him, "Do you remember when we used to watch the salamanders at the Monroe farm?" And our brother brightened up, and chatted about those long lost days for more than a half an hour. They played a role in our childhood. I think some people see them differently than others. And too many people never see them at all.

Please excuse an old man's rambling on and on about salamanders. You have got me thinking about them. Thank you for that.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:41 PM
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94. I'm happy to listen to salamander ramblings!
Many times when i tell people here what i'm studying, i get a blank stare... or, "we have salamanders in Ohio?" They are fascinating little creatures -- or big creatures, in the case of the hellbender! -- and definitely seem to be from another era, as you say. I'm afraid salamander evolution (or evolution in general) just won't be able to keep pace with how rapidly we are changing the natural environment. There is good evidence that global warming is facilitating the spread of chytridiomycosis, a fungal disease that is wiping out frogs worldwide. It's really heartbreaking...

We need more people like you who appreciate the beauty of natural areas, and ponds, and don't just want a flat expanse of green green grass courtesy of Chemlawn.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:24 PM
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57. Thanks, H2O Man
This is such a lovely story...the reminder that we need to "smell the flowers" and give them thanks....of summers long ago....the water and green ...a sweet refresher for this desert dweller. Even though I have my green patches and gardens here, I do miss the soft green slower pace of childhood days back east.....thanks for this.

:loveya:
DR
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:01 PM
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89. When my cousin
was creating this pond, I recited part of the Juan Ramon Jimenez poem "El Viaje Definitivo" (The Definitive Journey) that is found at the end of Carlos Castaneda's 1972 "Journey to Ixtlan":

".... And I will leave. But the birds will stay, singing:
and my garden will stay, with its green tree,
with its water well.
Many afternoons the skies will be blue and placid,
and the bells in the belfry will chime,
as they are chiming this very afternoon.
The people who have loved me will pass away,
and the town will burst anew every year.
But my spirit will always wander nostalgic
in the same recondite corner of my flowery garden."

In part it was in tribute to his work -- as others have noted, there is something important about building something, be it a flower garden, a pond, or a stone wall -- which will last far longer than we will.

And I also recited it because not only was that book one of my cousin's favorites back in an earlier phase of our lives, but today we have become somewhat like those two old men in the book, who sit around on lazy afternoons, and inhabit a separate reality.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:44 PM
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59. Be sure to visit his blog
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:48 PM
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60. Great post
K&R and also I also feel envious ;).
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:15 PM
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61. Oh, THANK you.... Wendell Barry would be proud...
...to have communicated such loveliness. A much, much-needed reminder.

We needn't live in the country to experience this renaissance. My own journey back into connection with the earth and her rhythms began in a city apartment on the corner of two busy streets, with a desire to have fresh cut flowers in my living space on a regular basis. Being too poor to buy cut flowers often, I thought of forcing bulbs for the winter to ease my seasonal depression. That was the first step on a long road.

And it has been reaffirmed for me again and again with every step into my garden (which includes my potted indoor plants and my boxes on the balcony as well as the beds and landscape surrounding our house): The rhythms of nature are the rhythms our species evolved to. They are stamped as deep within us as our mitochondrial DNA. Connection with those rhythms-- learning them, experiencing them, appreciating them, incorporating them into our existence-- is the source of all balance, health, and internal peace.

appreciatively,
Bright
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:29 PM
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63. Very nice essay.
I wish I had a pond on my property, but what I do have is sufficient. Because of my wife I have a beautiful flower garden to look upon. To recharge I also observe and photograph birds. There is a certain ineffable elegance I find in them. Avian photography gives me an excuse to get out and enjoy the environment and remind me of the peace that does exist in this land despite all that is around me.
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 01:45 PM
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65. Amazing work.
Carolyn Baker covers a lot of the same issues here in the way that you do, although she is coming from a much more negative angle.

What to do? What to do? Taking action in the face of collapse.
http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/48/
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:48 PM
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72. Lovely beyond words.
And what a beautiful child you have as well.

I am lucky enough to have neighbors with a raspberry patch who have an open invitation to my daughter to "pick any time." Last night she ran outside with a large bowl and hopped the fence. I could see her blond curls peeking up from the patch as she worked so hard on her mission. When she returned home she had about two pounds of fresh berries.

We have the beginning of our own raspberry patch alongside our garage. This year it yielded about three berries, but we were delighted that it survived the winter and know it will grow stronger each year.

With that, I'm off to request Thoreau from the library and water my poor plants.

Thanks again for the lovely, thought provoking post.

I wish we had a greatest of the greatest, because this post would be at the TOP of that list.

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Pierogi_Pincher Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 03:34 PM
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76. I logged on purposely to respond to your eloquent OP.
It is a drink of cool water.
Everyday 'revelations' attempting to get me 'bound up'; I see-saw--"we'll be okay/no we won't".
Coupla days ago, (me being onna down-swing: bad pain in left knee not subsiding & stubborn me at last giving up to see the doc), reaching the bottom of the stairs, a tiny in-flight creature caught my periphery, thot it was a big bug. Was a precious hummingbird who landed on a branch directly in front of me. I gave 'thanks' and cried.

P_P
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:16 PM
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80. Thanks.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 05:19 PM by bvar22
We recently left the city for a new life closer to the earth. We couldn't be happier.
Our well is spring fed, the water cool and clear.
Our garden is healthy and productive, and the garden ripened veggies provide an explosion of flavor only hinted at by the store bought imitations. We trade tomatoes to a neighbor on the next hilltop for free range eggs.
The blackberries are in decline now, but were abundant in early July. It was a gift to be able to eat them from the vine, still hot from the sun. They also made wonderful cobbler.

Thanks again for the wonderful essay.

Twilight Harvest
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:24 PM
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82. Excellent post
:thumbsup:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:28 PM
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83. I've been gardening.
I've already pulled enough bell peppers from what I grew from seeds to make a couple of salads, and half of the cantelope and watermelon seeds I planted are already vining and need to be replanted. Oh, and I've got a tomato plant that's flowering.

My labors, my fruit.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:16 PM
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90. Thank you for these words...well done nt
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:45 AM
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91. "Great Googamooga"
I love this post. What do I do to recover from GD? I seek out H2O Man posts I may have missed and read them again and again.

:hug:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:47 AM
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93. One of the
great lyrics, that! "Great Googamooga!"

Ball of Confusion

From "Temptations Greatest Hits Volume 2",1970
Lead by Group(Eddie, Dennis, Paul, Melvin, and Otis)


(Eddie)
People movin' out,
People movin' in.
why, because of the color of their skin
run, run, run, but you sho' can't hide


An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,
vote for me and I'll set you free
rap on, brother, rap on


(Dennis)
The only person talkin' about love thy brother is the preacher
and it seems nobody's interested in learning
but the teacher


Segregation, determination, demonstration, integration,
Aggravation, humiliation, obligation to our nation


(Group)
Ball of Confusion


(Dennis)
Oh yeah, That's what the world is today,(Group):Hey,hey


(Paul)
The sale of pills are at an all time high
young folks walkin' around with their heads in the sky
the cities aflame in the summertime (Eddie):And, oh


(Group)
The beat goes on


(Dennis)
Evolution, revolution, gun control, the sound of soul
shooting rockets to the moon
kids growing up too soon
politicians say more taxes will solve everything


(Melvin)
And the band played on


(Group)
So, round and around and around we go
where the world's headed, nobody knows


(Dennis)
Oh, Great Googamooga, can't you hear me talkin' to you
just a Ball of Confusion, oh yeah
that's what the world is today, hey


(Eddie)
Fear in the air, tension everywhere
Unemployment's rising fast,
the Beatles' new record's a gas


(Dennis)
And the only safe place to live
is in an Indian Reservation


(Melvin)
And the band played on


(Eddie)
Eve of destruction, tax deduction
(Paul)
City inspectors, bill collectors
(Eddie and Melvin)
Mod clothes in demand
Population out of hand
(Dennis)
Suicide, too many bills
hippies moving to the hills,
people all over the world are shouting "End the War"


(Melvin)
And the band played on


(Dennis)
Oh, Great Googamooga, can't you hear me talkin' to you


(Group)
Just a Ball of Confusion,
that's what the world is today, hey
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:44 AM
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92. Beautiful, calming, inspiring, full of important insights to be shared.
Your posts are treasures. Thank you.

K & R
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:47 PM
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95. There's a community garden by my house
Sometimes when my work gets to me I go out there just to be with the plants and bees and such. It's very relaxing.
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