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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:29 AM
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Poll question: How Many Children Do You Have?
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 09:32 AM by rucky
not through adoption

RE population and environmental impact: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1393919&mesg_id=1393919

For the record: a) The discussion is a somewhat valid, but not if you're taking it from a pure cost-accounting perspective. Quality and quantity must be considered together.

b) Purely from an environmental/population take: I believe if you have two or less kids, you're making zero impact on population for the future generation. Three kids isn't going to kill anyone, unless everybody did it. Six kids is... environment aside, why the heck would anybody want to have that many kids?!

c) I personally know single people without kids who consume more than a typical family of three in Central America (just an example). Consuming less is the most practical and immediate solution.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:30 AM
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1. Two little cutie pies.
And neither one was planned - they were both "birth control" babies. Needless to say, hubby had a vasectomy last week - BUT I wouldn't trade either of them for the world.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:32 AM
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3. How old is the little one?
adorable!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:13 AM
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27. She's six weeks old yesterday.
My son is 8 years old. :)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:39 AM
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9. Beautiful! nt
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:32 AM
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2. None of my own. But a foster parent to 4 teens and looking to adopt.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:43 AM
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12. YOU are awesome! You have my sincerest admiration and gratitude.
Nothing makes me more angry, frustrated and upset than what I hear on an almost-daily basis about the ugly things that happen to kids, more often than not at the hands of their own parents. I cannot thank you enough for taking these youngsters into your heart and home and giving them the care and love they need. How fortunate are they--and you, as well.

Many blessings!

Tired Old Cynic
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:27 AM
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34. I always admire those who adopt.
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 10:28 AM by Clark2008
One of my closest friends, upon learning that fertility treatment was going to cost a fortune, decided, with her husband, to invest that money into adopting a child that needed a home instead of forking over thousands just in order to get a "blood" baby.

Funny thing, though, six months after she went through hell adopting a child from Soviet Georgia, she ended up pregnant. Now she has two beautiful children.

Same thing also happened to the people we bought our house from - she couldn't get pregnant so they adopted from the Philippines, I believe, and, in the process of finalizing the adoption, the wife ended up pregnant, so they had two little ones only a few months apart.

:)
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:34 AM
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4. Even the poorest of Americans has a greater
environmental impact than does someone living in the "third world."
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:45 AM
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15. Consumption trumps everything else. n/t
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 11:45 AM
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42. If a third world family has no money
and a poor American family has no money just how does the American family have greater impact on the enviroment? Let me guess, Americans are the blame for everything.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:35 AM
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5. none and at my age, I'll never have any. I choose not to in the 70s
when the population explosion was news

No regrets and looking around I'm glad. I'm just sorry I haven't done more to leave a better Earth for other's children
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:36 AM
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6. i have one
a son, and He's my world.

i am not planning on having anymore, though. i've had surgery to prevent further pregnancies.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:36 AM
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7. I have - 2, I'm a stepdad
so subtract two off of someone elses ok, ;-)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:37 AM
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8. 2 sweet little boys who are now a lot bigger than this pic shows
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:44 AM
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13. Where are you in that picture?
ancient site?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:10 AM
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25. Not ancient, but old. My g-g-g-g-g grandfather was the commander
of Fort Knox (in Maine, not the one with the gold) Sadly, he caught a terrible case of TB and the cold and damp of the fort didn't help it at all and he died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Knox,_Maine
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:52 AM
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17. NIce family and even sweeter tie dye!!!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:07 AM
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24. Thanks. :^D
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:06 AM
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23. delete
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 10:09 AM by GreenPartyVoter
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:39 AM
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10. None...yet.
Remember, reproductive choice is a two-way street.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:40 AM
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11. I stopped at one due to my high-riskiness. He is my world and
a little "carbon impact" monitor. He just may offset what impact he does have!
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:44 AM
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14. Two people into the world, two people out of it.
We're population neutral.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:54 AM
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19. Just so long as your kids don't reproduce
Otherwise if your two have two each, that's four more.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:05 AM
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22. Assuming virgin births. n/t
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:45 AM
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16. Do you want to count only living children or dead ones, as well?
Edited on Sat Jul-21-07 09:45 AM by HereSince1628
Because, I have one dead and two living.

My interest was always 2, back when I thought zero population growth was enough. My first baby (a girl)died in infancy.





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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:52 AM
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18. Sorry to hear about your daughter's death
:hug:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:17 AM
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29. Thanks,
but it's long, long ago.

Depending on what the OP wants to learn there's a difference in counts between #'s of pregnancies, #'s of live births and survivorships to some age and what that means to interpreting results...

It wasn't clear what the OP wanted.





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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:55 AM
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20. 2 kids, but 4 parents. (2 moms, 2 dads)
So I don't know if I should answer 2, or average us out to 1.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:57 AM
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21. We serve as staff for our 2 cats. Easier to herd than kids.
At least the cats think we are.

We decided not to have kids.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:10 AM
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26. I have 3 wonderful adult daughters
and I won't apologize for bringing any one of them into the world.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:15 AM
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28. A complex issue
(By the way, I have 2, now young adults).

You are right to question/consider environmental impact, but if this leads people to think they ar doing the world a favor by having no children, the discussion is too simplistic.

There are two ways to looking at having children from a societal perspective. One is to consider the resources and costs. The other is to look at a child as a contribution to the next generation and to society as a whole. If no one had children, the earth's resources would flourish (maybe too abundantly!): but then, of course, there would be no human society altogether. No artists or doctors, no scientists or environmentalists.

There are personal reasons to have children, and personal reasons not to have children. All valid. But for those who choose not to have one or two, it is not legitimate to claim you are doing society a favor. If you leave the next generation to everyone else, in one sense you are not contributing your share to your nation and/or society.

This doesn't mean I object to people having no children. Au contraire. It's just that I think the reasons should be honest ones.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:23 AM
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32. My take, exactly.
You just said it better.
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MrsMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:20 AM
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30. Two children
one girl (age 10) and one boy (age 2).

Never regretted it.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:21 AM
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31. One child and worked to instill responsible values in her from early age.
She is not a wastrel consumer. She cares deeply about socio-political-economic issues and takes action to make her case/convince others to be responsible citizens. She started shopping at Second Hand stores on her own when she started high school and tries to get as many of her purchases as she can from them still, in her mid-thirties.

She has become an enthusiastic gardener, even though she lives in an apartment. She uses the bus a lot. Her car gets great mileage and she uses it sparingly. She uses fans instead of air conditioning most of the summer (lives in Tucson). She recycles and has for a very long time. Her companion animals are all shelter rescues. She almost never eats beef. She buys locally as much as she can.

She is studying subjects which she hopes will serve herself and community in coming times of failing infrastructure.

I figure that one child I brought into the world is a responsible global citizen. She takes stands and makes statements, sometimes making herself a target for local crazies. As a teenager, she got us involved with a volunteer group that physically defended the property lines at Planned Parenthood when there were demonstrations and harassment of clinic patrons. Of late, she has become sort of a regular at protest marches and even alone on busy streets some July Fourth holidays, appearing as Liberty in Chains. I love her very much. She is one of my top heroes. There is no guilt for bringing her into the world. There is sadness at the mess she is inheriting.

She knows it is not easy being green, but she does more and more of it anyway. Yep, she tries to be green, in many, many ways. :D

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:23 AM
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33. I'm the only child of an only child.
I produced 2 children. They're adults. One is childless, and likely to remain so. The other has one child, and I'd bet every last asset I've got that he won't have another.

So...out of my grandmother, 4 generations later, there is one person.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:32 AM
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35. Two girls
I cam from a family of 5 and my wife had one sister.
We originally only intended to have one and spoil that child rotten. We did just that and when she was 5 and wanted sister, we decided what the heck, the two of them could grow up and be friends with any luck. 6 years apart, they wouldn't be competing.
We were lucky to get a second healthy girl and the spoiling just doubled.

Now we have one in college and still spoiling her rotten. But the amazing thing is we didn't raise them to be spoiled brats. They know that they are lucky and appreciate what they have and are very generous to others. They know that they are not rich kids and we work hard for everything we have. They also know we will do anything to help them in life.

When I look at how that part of my life has turned out, so far so good and I know how lucky I am.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:39 AM
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36. DU's impact on world population, as of 11:39 am...
-96
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 10:41 AM
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37. To be perfectly honest, I would have to say
I don't know. I don't think I have any, but I can't be sure.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 11:11 AM
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38. never been with a woman in a sexual way so none of course.
never wanted too.
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 11:12 AM
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39. None yet (I'm 26). I hope to have one, maybe two if the circumstances are right
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 11:25 AM
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40. I have two sons, both adults
Neither is married and neither is a father.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 11:33 AM
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41. Two (boy/girl) w/ two parents
Lights of our lives ... Best decision we ever made ... :loveya:
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