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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:50 AM
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WH Forbids Rep. DeFazio (D) Access to Security Plans
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/bas...

DeFazio asks, but he's denied access
Classified info - The congressman wanted to see government plans for after a terror attack
Friday, July 20, 2007
JEFF KOSSEFF
The Oregonian Staff

WASHINGTON -- Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.

As a member of the U.S. House on the Homeland Security Committee, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure "bubbleroom" in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.

On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED.

"I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack," DeFazio says.

Homeland Security Committee staffers told his office that the White House initially approved his request, but it was later quashed. DeFazio doesn't know who did it or why.

"We're talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America," DeFazio says. "I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee."

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:52 AM
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1. Don't tell anybody but I don't think there ARE any plans
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:55 AM
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4. It's the NOLA Plan. The contracts are probably already
written up and in a drawer.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:57 AM
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8. Our representatives need to see that for themselves, but I don't believe
...that for one minute. There are plans and those plans are sinister and will bring down the Constitutional government of this country.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:31 PM
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21. They Won't Let ANY Democrats in Congress See The Plans
Because the plans call for them to all be rounded up and
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:53 AM
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2. Oh, they are so up to no good.
What I don't understand, and I would bet money THEY don't understand, is wtf they think will enforce their seizure of power.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:55 AM
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3. These fascist BushCo bastards must be stopped now!
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:55 AM
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5. That's because the plans don't include a "congress"
You don't need to see it because buddy you ain't in it.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:53 PM
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31. I read somewhere that the drafters decided Congress would be too hard to reconstitute...
... and that the continuity of government plans DO NOT include a Congress.

Sure would make it easier to run the dictatorship that way.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:35 PM
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41. Then DeFazio needs to get on national TV and confront them.
The Keith Olbermann show is probably the only possibility, given the current state of the media. But he needs to ask that question in front of the entire country and get everyone talking about it: "Is the reason I wasn't allowed to see the continuity of government plan because it doesn't include a Congress?" And keep asking, and get everyone asking, until they are forced to answer yes or no.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 01:38 AM
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55. Ditto. Out of a job. .. eom
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:56 AM
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6. well, folks, this crapola just keeps coming!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:56 AM
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7. We need to have Nancy ask the same question. Let's see them
turn her down. And when they do, that will just piss more people off and their polls with drop again.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:57 AM
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10. FUCK POLLS.
We need a rope.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:58 AM
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12. If they hang themselves, it'll be better for everyone but
I hear you!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:58 AM
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11. And also Senator Reid
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:57 AM
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9. I don't know why anyone thinks Defazio would have been allowed in
Unless and until people are held accountable- and pay some serious penalties, I can't imagine why the administration would grant the Democrats ANYTHING.

What are they going to do about it? Whine to the corporate media?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:01 PM
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14. The corporate media is losing viewers/readers in droves.
This cosy little arrangement these jerks have enjoyed can't last much longer, imo. Unless, that is, they can figure out how to incite another crazy wave of nationalism.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:37 PM
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23. Ratings Don't Matter. They Are Sacrificing Ratings to Help the Repigs, Who Help Their Parent Corps.
It ISN'T about ratings. It hasn't been about ratings for some time now.

If it WERE about ratings, don't you think they would have done something with the
prostitution scandals (one of which even took place at the WATERGATE Hotel!)
They have had more juicy scandals to report than in the past 100 years,
so what do we get? Paris Hilton. They are sacrificing ratings, big time, to
help the repigs. Their parent corporations want the Repigs, and they want war.
War is more profitable to GE than good ratings could possibly be.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:43 PM
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30. I get it about the parent war profiteers but, there is a tension there,
imho, that will only increase as the Thugs go down in flames this cycle.

I can hope, right? :)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:01 PM
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36. Dems can restore the 'fairness rules' that got tossed a few yrs back
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:10 PM
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37. The Thugs are selling it as censorship. Yes, we should try to get it done.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 12:39 AM
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51. Oh but the Thugs should be in favor of the Fairness Doctrine
Then they would be treated fairly by the liberal news media.

:sarcasm:
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:11 AM
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57. time for another false flag terror attack.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:01 PM
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13. DeFazio Rocks
Although I have David Wu as my rep to the North, Defazio rocks.

It tells us that they either dont have a plan, or they are planning something along with the CIA
with another 9/11 terror attack....
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:02 PM
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15. Come on Nancy, how much more is it going to take WTF!!!
Three seperate but equal branches huh? We don't even have the right to know who our dictators will be when they take over? Guess we'll just call him/her Big Brother/Sister.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:08 PM
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16. The entire committee should ask to see the documents. nt
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:19 PM
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47. Hell, the entire Senate and House should ask!
:mad:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:11 PM
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17. They're doing it because they consider the Legislative Branch irrelevant, and
would *love* to have a chance to prove it before their now-loaded Supreme Court.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:17 PM
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18. "bubbleroom" ?
Is that like the Cone of Silence from "Get Smart"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_of_Silence


If so, that explains a lot about this mess.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 12:41 AM
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52. That's what I thought when I read the OP
Cone of Silence, heh heh.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:29 PM
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19. even the American Enterprise Institute, thinks this is stupid



Bush administration spokesman Trey Bohn declined to say why DeFazio was denied access: "We do not comment through the press on the process that this access entails. It is important to keep in mind that much of the information related to the continuity of government is highly sensitive."

Norm Ornstein, a legal scholar who studies government continuity at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said he "cannot think of one good reason" to deny access to a member of Congress who serves on the Homeland Security Committee.

"I find it inexplicable and probably reflective of the usual, knee-jerk overextension of executive power that we see from this White House," Ornstein said.

This is the first time DeFazio has been denied access to documents. DeFazio has asked Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., to help him access the documents.

"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right," DeFazio said.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:40 PM
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26. Link??
please
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:53 PM
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45. It's the link in the original post
:shrug:
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:31 PM
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20. K+R
this is important
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:35 PM
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22. The Senate and House Dems must demand answers in unison!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:39 PM
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24. Do I have this right? They aren't going to tell us what camps we're
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 12:39 PM by snappyturtle
going to be assigned to after a false flag terra-ist attack?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:40 PM
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25. What can you do? HR333 is a good start Congressman.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:41 PM
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27. didn't he see the Presidential Directive 51.
maybe we should send that to him, would that help?
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:41 PM
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28. Once again I'm going to write to the House critters to impeach! NOW!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:41 PM
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29. Now that's odd in a suspicious way.
Hmmm...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 12:58 PM
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32. I did call Nancy's office. She does have access to those plans
per her staffer. Is that a good thing or not, I can't tell. :(

Now I have to bookmark this thread.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:14 PM
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34. Has she actually SEEN them, or does she just think she can because that's what the LAW says?
DeFazio is legally entitled to see those, but look what
happened when he tried to.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:17 PM
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35. Her staff told me she had access.
But, I didn't think to ask if she'd seen them or if she's asked to see them.

Maybe I'll call back on Monday. If I call too often, they'll take out a restraining order, lol.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:23 PM
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39. I just called left msg w/ my number
I said I wanted to know whether she actually will confirm she has seen these plans herself, or is just under the impression she has authority to (as DeFazio believed he did to, only to find he was denied access.)

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:26 PM
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40. Thank you, halobeam!
:hi:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:37 PM
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42. at least thats what she thinks
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:59 PM
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43. I have to call again on Monday. I don't trust any interaction
our leaders have with this White House. There is not reason to trust it -- which is different than distrusting Nancy and Harry. I hope.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:10 PM
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33. These retards are un-f*cking-believable.....


K&R!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:19 PM
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38. kick !!!!!!
:kick:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:35 PM
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44. Scary K&R
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:56 PM
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46. More of the same. *Co continues its subterfuge. n/t
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:40 PM
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48. "Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried..."
Notice how they try to marginalize him with that little statement, sometimes the corporate media's propaganda is too obvious.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:26 PM
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49. Bastards!
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 12:17 AM
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50. I know what their plan is after a terrorist attack...
... Bush stands on the pile of rubble with a bullhorn, smirks and shouts "I can't hear you"...


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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 12:44 AM
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53. Then they invade some country that had nothing to do with the attack.
Some country chosen at random. Say, Iran.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 12:47 AM
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54. he should return with the Sergeant-at-Arms
and about twenty armed guards and demand entrance

Damn there are so many things popping, one of them has to boil over
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 07:28 AM
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56. My head is now exploding on a daily basis.
The fascism turn has almost been complete. Just a few more turns of the screw and we won't even be able to save America,
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:13 AM
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59. perhaps the screw has been turned farther than you think.
perhaps america is already beyond saving.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 08:12 AM
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58. They didn't want 'em to see how the Halliburton Homeland Security Detention Camps
will be used.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 09:05 AM
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60. The plan is simple; Bush has already declared he will take over all
3 branches of government. We must never let that happen. No. 1 he is too incompetent to breathe and no. 2 he will never relinquish that power once he gains it.
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