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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:18 PM
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I KNEW there was a reason I can't stand the term "Homeland" Security!!!!
I'd never heard the United States referred to as "The Homeland" until the post-9/11 mindf**k period, and I must admit that I was immediately creeped out by it. And sure enough, it has Nazi roots, as per this piece by Thom Hartmann. And given the collection of characters at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, there's probably some subtext to the choice of the word "Homeland" Security:


From "When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History" by Thom Hartmann:

....... Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State" passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained. Legislators would later say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.

Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity ratings. Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking, learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions. He became a very competent orator.)

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us. ......(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.thomhartmann.com/democracyfailed.shtml


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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:24 PM
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1. And Hitler was far smoother & smarter than bush & Cabal.
Thank God, or we'd be in even deeper shit than we are.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:25 PM
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20. the dick has some brains n/t
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:24 PM
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2. a photo of my homeland....
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:25 PM
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3. Very nice.....
Citizens of the World....:grouphug:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:45 PM
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9. Mine too
Fugg borders.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:43 PM
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21. Our Flag
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:27 PM
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4. Could never figure out the subtle difference between "Homeland Security"
and "National Security."

Let's see. . .prior to 9/11, we had at least 5 so called intelligence agencies who were not communicating with one another.

So post 9/11 we start up another one fully equipped with all it's color coded fear inducing glory, that was later, incapable of delivering water or locating NO on a frigging map after a hurricane.

"Smaller government" my butt.

The idiocy is truly astounding.

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:32 PM
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5. Hartmann played audio from a Nuremberg rally where it first came up
And the way the people were chanting "Heil Hitler" reeked of the chants of "USA, USA!" that greet Herr RatBastard at HIS rallies ...

I hope our next DEMOCRATIC president and Congress changes the name of the fucking DHS to Department of NATIONAL Security! And send "GWOT" to the dustbin, too!
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:33 PM
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6. “My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.”
--Thomas Paine.

Nationalism is bigoted and arrogant, and leads to so much strife in the world. "Their" babies are every bit as precious as mine.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:41 PM
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7. I hated from the first day I heard it because it sounded way to Hitler like
Fatherland > Homeland
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:43 PM
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8. I always thought it was as close as they could come to "heartland."
The correct name would have been "Domestic Security" and that just ain't manly enough.

Or Georgie could have learned the word from his nazi banker grandfather.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:49 PM
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10. I knew the term had it's roots in "Mein Kampf", but didn't know
Hitler had appropriated the term from the Zionist movement because it had a nice ring to it of reclaiming a homeland and doing everything that was necessary to keeping it. So I learned something from Hartmann this morning. Remember when the "homeland" was just America or the states as the ex-pats overseas used to call it?

K&R
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:51 PM
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11. Ja ja, diese ist treu.
They should have titled it Security Department of the United States, National Security Department, Our Country's Security Department, United States' Security Department, Security R'Us Department, anything but Homeland Security Department.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:13 PM
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12. K&R #4 n/t
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:14 PM
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13. ...& #5 n/t
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:16 PM
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14. I'm listening to it now
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:16 PM
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15. I thought the expression was "the fatherland" (das Vaterland)
But "homeland security" is one word in German, with a choice of fascist connotations:
As to the title of the story I feel compelled to add a comment or two by a
native speaker of German. When the "Departement of Homeland Security" in the
USA was founded German speaking journalists faced a dilemma. How could we
possibly translate that?

Correctly that would be "Ministerium fuer Heimatsicherheit".

In Austrian and German ears that sounds 100 percent Goebbels. Additionallly
the secret service "Stasi" of communist Germany was an acronym of the
"Ministerium fuer Staatssicherheit".
<...>
So more or less all German speaking journalists decided to go for "Ministerium
fuer Heimatschutz". This is still the shortest and least pejorative
translation for DHS one can find. Not as aggressive as the other, but
denoting something like "home-made, rugged, hillbilly style" in addition.
From 1934 untill 1938 when Austria was ruled by a homegrown clerical/ fascist
regime dominated by Catholic fanatics the word "Heimatschutz" was much used.

http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200610/msg00005.html
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:17 PM
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16. Hartmann talks about the term here with this interview with Paul Craig Roberts
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:21 PM
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17. Boy, if you ever really needed any proof of the Bush - Nazi connection, this is it!
I also knew I hated that term for a reason... now I know! :wow: :yoiks:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:41 PM
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18. rove stole everything else from Hitler's playbook why not the name.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:22 PM
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19. It gave me the creeps from the very first moment I heard the term.
To me, "Homeland" just sounds fascist on its face, even without knowing anything about the Nazi antecedents that Hartmann has outlined.

I never understood why it couldn't be called "Domestic Security" -- or even the good old fashioned term from my Cold War childhood: "Civil Defense".

sw

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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:15 PM
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22. Some oversimplification, but as a whole good.
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 07:16 PM by happyslug
First, Hitler was Chancellor, but Hindenburg was President. Under the Wiemar Republic the PRESIDENT had to power to pass laws when the Parliament was not in session. Parliament had the right to PASS those laws when it came back into session. Furthermore the president could act like A dictator during brief periods of time (Hindenburg had done so in the early 1930s, but that was before Hitler became Chancellor). Furthermore Hindenburg had, along with Lundedroff. ruled Germany from 1916-1918 (The Kaiser was a minor player during those years of WWI).

Given this history, it was important to Hitler to keep Hindenburg as President, for Hitler knew they were voters who would NOT give him the power, but gladly give it to Hindenburg. The problem was Hindenburg was almost senile, Lundendroff (Who had been a nazi party member of Parliament) told Hindenburg NOT to deal with Hitler (The two Generals, the team that did the most to help Germany fight WWI, had split over Germany's Surrender in 1918 and had not spoken in years, but Lundedroff, who was not entirely sane, knew enough about Hitler to tell Hindenburg NOT to make him Chancellor, Hindenburg ignored him).

Hindenburg had a very good reputation with the German People, and they gladdy gave him the power to do whatever he deemed necessary. Hitler wanted the power but ot get it he realized he had to technically shared the power with Hindenburg. When Hindenburg died, Hitler merged the position of Chancellor with President and undid the little check in the law. Thus the enabling Act was the start of Hitler Dictatorship but it took Hindenburg's death to give him complete power.


Hindenberg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Hindenburg

Lundedroff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:17 PM
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23. Clinton was asked to use the term and he declined to do so
If I can dig up the old article I will post a thread on it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:18 PM
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24. Hess
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:19 PM
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25. it is time for us to tell our Reps and Senators to disperse and eliminate using that
term, we are not the HOMELAND!!! Come on this is our country!!! Let's do it.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 10:17 PM
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26. I've always known the 'homeland' had strong Nazi overtones.

And suspected it was chosen on purpose.

We now live under the new Nazi regime and they have destroyed out system of government and have replace it with a police state.

Heil Republicans!!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 10:20 PM
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27. I cringe every time I hear them say it..and even more when dems do it too.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:08 PM
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28. Right, the ole "Fatherland" --
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:14 PM
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29. 'Homeland' is such a Nazi-like term
who could have foreseen that this termonolgy would stick when it comes to border issues, and 'terrorist' issues.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:45 PM
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30. Dank ihrer Führung wird Amerika sein Ziel erreichen, Heimat zu sein;
Heimat zu sein für alle Amerikanischer der Welt.

Heil Bushler!

Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!


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