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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:53 PM
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We're good; the Dems are going to get real tomorrow. Filibuster !!!!!
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 10:57 PM by babylonsister
I so hope they just kick ASS and take names! That filibuster, or our Dems putting up a big fight in the Senate, warms my heart now. I hope you can find the way to warm your heart, too. (OK, so a bit tongue in cheek-ya need a video?)

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:56 PM
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1. yes. tomorrow is going to be a cspan night!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:08 PM
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2. Thank you for your support; I'll chat with you tomorrow, when no one else
is watching. :wtf:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:44 PM
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13. I will be here! I watch cspan on the computer. Harry excited me today.
goodnight!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:08 PM
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3. And BTW, it could be more than you think! nt
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:11 PM
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4. Considering who's "in charge", I'll be glad to hold the bets.
It's not that I'm a cynic-- well, actually, it IS that I'm a cynic. :shrug:

P.S.- Prove me wrong, Harry. Prove me wrong.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:13 PM
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5. I don't plan on missing it.
I just wish I could decide what hours will be the most enjoyable, since I can in no way get to watch it all.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:17 PM
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6. Don't get overheated.
I always thought filibusters were just senators reading dry stuff to kill time and irritate the opposition. Whic is fine, of course. Just doesn't make very good t.v. viewing. I could be wrong, and hope I am.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:18 PM
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8. Mike Gravel filibustered
by reading the Pentagon Papers into the record. :)
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:20 PM
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9. The fun is in watching them wear down their opponents
Watching the opposition get irritated and saggy eyed. I love watching PO'd politicians, but then I'm a geek. :)
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:26 PM
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11. the opponents will be in bed
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:22 AM
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16. That is not my understanding of the planned events
They are going to invoke ongoing quorum calls and procedural maneuvers to force the Republicans back onto the floor.

Or, did you mean that you don't expect that to actually take place?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:38 AM
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17. well good for them
I didn't catch the quorum calls point


it is the case that for most "debate" there are VERY few senators or congresscritters as teh case may be, in actual attendance. They run in to vote on most measures, then scurry back to the office. That's why CSPAN cameras can only show the person speaking
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:57 PM
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19. or i guess I could have meant they'd be diddling the pages...
snark
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:18 PM
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7. it will be boring as hell
an empty chamber, maybe 4-5 people milling around, and some schmuck reading pasta recipes or something in a monotone

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:26 PM
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12. Yep...I Hope They Fall Asleep
Then Democrats grab the floor, call for a vote and the fillibuster is broken. I don't care if its 24 hours or 24 days...if they read phone books or bibles...i just can't wait for when they talk themselves out...and they will!
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:25 PM
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10. The big one
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/analysis/back.t... /

The Last, Hoarse Gasp
TIME for Sept. 9, 1957

(TIME, September 9, 1957) -- Senators decided that a filibuster would be both futile and dangerous: it might result in a harsher bill, it might bring about a change in the Senate's cloture rule, and it would certainly build up ill will that could only harm the Southern cause in future years. Among the first to agree with the no-filibuster decision was South Carolina's Strom Thurmond, the 1948 Dixiecrat candidate for President of the U.S.

Therefore, when Strom Thurmond arose on the Senate floor at 8:54 one night last week, his fellow Southerners had every reason to expect that he, like the rest of them, would make a brief, denunciatory speech and then sit down. They were wrong as they could be.

A Soft Snore. A dull, droning speaker at best, Thurmond began by reading the texts of the election laws of all 48 states -- from Alabama to Wyoming. By 11:30, Republican Everett Dirksen was passing the word: "Boys, it looks like an all-nighter." But at 1 a.m. Arizona Republican Barry Goldwater approached Thurmond's desk, asked in a whisper how much longer Strom would last. Back came the answer: "About another hour." Goldwater asked that Thurmond temporarily yield the floor to him for an insertion in the Congressional Record. Thurmond happily consented -- and used the few minute interim to head for the bathroom (for the only time during his speech). he returned and began talking again. His promised hour passed; Strom spoke on. Gallery attendance dropped to three: Thurmond's wife Jean, N.A.A.C.P. Washington Representative Clarence Mitchell, and an unidentified man who was snoring softly.

At 9 Thursday morning 54-year-old Strom Thurmond was still on his feet. Wires from back home began to pour in on other Southerners, demanding that they help Strom Thurmond in his heroic effort. They realized quickly how Thurmond's doublecross had put them on the spot with their constituents. Urgently, angrily, they ut in phone calls to home-state newspapers, explaining the harsh facts: Thurmond was not helping the cause; he was playing with dynamite.

Grandstand Wind. Strom Thurmond mumbled on, sipping orange juice sportingly brought to him by Illinois' liberal Paul Douglas, munching diced pumpernickel and bits of cooked hamburger. At 1:40 p.m. he allowed: "I've been on my feet the last 17 hours and I still feel pretty good." At 7:21 p.m. Thurmond broke the old Senate record for longwindedness, set by Oregon's Wayne Morse in the 1953 tidelands oil filibuster. (Morse had nothing but congratulations for the new recordholder. "I salute him," said Wayne. "It takes a lot out of a man to talk so long." But Morse still holds the Senate record for Spartan retention of the body's juices: he had no benefit of parliamentary pause.) And at 9:12 p.m., 24 hours and 18 minutes after he started, Thurmond shut up and sat down.

The civil rights bill rolled toward final passage. But before the vote could be taken, Georgia's Herman Talmadge stood up to speak for the doublecrossed Southerners. To herman Talmadge, who yields to no man as a segregationist, Thurmond's effort as a "grandstand of longwinded speeches" which could "in the long run wreak unspeakable havoc upon my people." When Talmadge finished, a dozen Senators -- including some Southerners -- rushed over to shake his hand. The U.S. Senate then got on with its business: it passed the watered-down civil rights bill, a half-loaf foreign aid appropriation, a compromise bill aimed at protecting the FBI files from random inspection. Then the 85th Congress, First Session, adjourned. it was tired of itself and especially of Strom Thurmond.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:46 PM
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14. Yeah I'm sure they'll get right on it...
right after they charge Harriet Meirs with contempt... :eyes:
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Dagaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:13 AM
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15. As long as Democrats keep a quorum
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 12:15 AM by Dagaz
quorum call - A call of the roll to establish whether a quorum is present. If any Senator "suggests the absence of a quorum," the Presiding Officer must direct the roll to be called. Often, a quorum call is terminated by unanimous consent before completion, which permits the Senate to use the quorum call to obtain a brief delay to work out some difficulty or await a Senator's arrival.
-ussenate.gov


As I understand there has to be 51 Senators to maintain a quorum. That means that without TimJohnson they need every Dem AND Lieberman to stay on the floor. The Repugs only need to keep one at any time to make the quorum call. Now if Hagel and or Warner helps out this is much more doable.

I can also see endless quorum calls and delays.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:41 AM
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18. and if there is no quorum present?
does the filibusterer have to shut up?

I think all that does is say they cannot at that time take a vote.

granted, if those refusing to vote for cloture turn around and leave when they get their precious unlimited "debate" they look like the assholes they are...
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