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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:03 PM
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Oh my gosh. I am so outraged by this raw form of bigotry on
a Christian web site.

I'm not sure whether this a mainstream Catholic site or not, but these so-called Christians should be ashamed of themselves for printing such hate speech.

:puke:

http://www.calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=719...

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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:04 PM
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1. What on earth are they talking about? NT
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:54 PM
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38. ?
you don't find their equating homosexuality with pedophilia disturbing?
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:21 AM
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39. Well, yes. NT
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:07 PM
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2. Bigotry? Try HYPOCRISY!
It was a California cardinal who just issued an apology for Catholic abuses the last however many years.....

For these people to be calling gays pedophiles is beyond the pale. If I could I'd counter protest with signs saying "Kettle? This is pot. YOU'RE BLACK!" or "Catholics are the REAL pedos."

This is unbelievable.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:10 PM
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4. I know! On a day the church is in court in L.A., they do this!
Excellent point.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:18 PM
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11. They're not mainstream, and their affiliation with the Church is dubious at best
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 08:19 PM by rpannier
From their website:

Church of the Divide is a group of Bible-believing followers of Jesus Christ, meeting in homes on the Georgetown Divide, near Placerville, California. We are opposed to the institutional model of "church" in America and desire a return to the biblical model of Christians meeting together in homes as the Church (Rom. 16:5, Col. 4:15, Phm. 1:2). We believe in interactive meetings, with all members participating (1 Cor 14:26). We see no Scriptural basis for one paid pastor to "lord over the flock" (1 Pet. 5:3) but rather follow the Scripture's teaching of having a plurality of qualified male elders oversee the church (Acts 20:17, 1Tim.3:2).


No Pastor/Priest is hardly a Catholic model.

on edit: They consider themselves an underground Church.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:35 AM
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41. Not Catholic by any sense of the word
I was looking for some more information on the publishers; glad you were able to find it. Even more cockamamie then I thought.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:09 PM
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3. I'm glad I read the entire article, because my first reaction was
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 08:09 PM by mzmolly
"does the catholic church want to go there?" However I do think that anyone working with children, be they clergy or parade workers should be screened for crimes against children? That said the way this was addressed is bigoted.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:15 PM
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8. Not to mention that most gays
aren't pedophiles. Oddly enough, those tend to be straight men.

Oddly enough, there's a study floating around...I'll try to find it...that said that the two indicators for child abuse are alcohol and extreme religiosity. Nothing really startling, but interesting.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:38 PM
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17. I've read a study that backs up what you just said.
Abusers do tend to have conservative backgrounds. Some of these men feel they "own" their families. I suppose some look to the story of Lott for justification?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:55 PM
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33. Read rpannier's post #11. This is not mainstream Catholic anything.
This group doesn't represent any larger group of Catholics.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:24 PM
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34. Thanks, I've done so and I so appreciate the clarification.
I am of Irish Catholic descent and I have both a disdain and a reverence for the history of the Church.

:hi:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:29 PM
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35. Hi Mz
It seems we have a lot in common!

Any kids, by any chance?

:hi:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:30 PM
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36. Yep,
One lovely girl. She's about to turn nine. :hi: You?
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:11 PM
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5. The headline should read...
"Pedophile Priests Push Perverse Agenda On The Youth of The Catholic Church"
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:12 PM
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6. If the protestors come...
it probably WILL be filled with pedophiles.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:13 PM
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7. I'm not at all surprised to see this *especially* on a Christian website
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:16 PM
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9. "Sodomite"? Isn't that a sect of the repubs?
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:54 PM
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23. That's 'Saddamite" n/t
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:16 PM
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10. They aren't mainstream Catholic
From their website:

Church of the Divide is a group of Bible-believing followers of Jesus Christ, meeting in homes on the Georgetown Divide, near Placerville, California. We are opposed to the institutional model of "church" in America and desire a return to the biblical model of Christians meeting together in homes as the Church (Rom. 16:5, Col. 4:15, Phm. 1:2). We believe in interactive meetings, with all members participating (1 Cor 14:26). We see no Scriptural basis for one paid pastor to "lord over the flock" (1 Pet. 5:3) but rather follow the Scripture's teaching of having a plurality of qualified male elders oversee the church (Acts 20:17, 1Tim.3:2).


Not having a Pastor/Priest pretty much precludes them from mainsttream Catholicism.

I sort of doubted their 'Catholic-ness' when I saw the word 'sodomite' used. That's not typical of most mainstream Catholic churches.

Church of the Divide seemed an unusual name for a Catholic Church. But appropriate for these cranks.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:24 PM
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14. Would be like describing Fred Phelps as a mainstream Christian
They look pretty weird.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:36 PM
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15. No, the church of the divide is not Catholic. They're a bunch
of lunatics who I attempt to ignore.

They're basically Northern California's version of Fred Phelps and all of his nuts.

I'm talking about the Catholic website out of San Diego that is publishing their hate speech.

That's what I have a problem with.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:42 PM
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19. Okay. My apologies
Thanks for the clarification
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:39 PM
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18. PHEW! I thought that was unusual?
Thanks. :hi:
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:44 PM
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30. Whew! For a Minute There, I Thought the Mainstream Catholic Church Was Anti-Gay!
Thanks for setting me "straight"! :thumbsup:
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:19 PM
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12. Kinda funny
seeing a Catholic organ acting as a mouthpiece for a bunch of non-denom fundie bigots. They oughta call their new friends and ask what they think of Catholics.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:20 PM
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13. This is the church, and they look to be NOT mainstream.
http://www.churchofthedivide.org/about.htm

They meet in people's homes for pete's sake. Like Fred Phelps, they look like they have a hangup re: gay folks.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:37 PM
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16. Right, I wasn't questioning whether they're mainstream. I
realize they're not Catholic.

I was saying I don't know whether the Catholics that host this website in San Diego are mainstream.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:45 PM
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20. According to the "About us" section of the website
The Christian communicator in particular has a prophetic task, a vocation: to speak out against the false gods and idols of the day materialism, hedonism, consumerism, narrow nationalism, and the rest holding up for all to see a body of moral truth based on human dignity and rights, the preferential option for the poor, the universal destination of goods, love of enemies, and unconditional respect for all human life from conception to natural death; and seeking the more perfect realization of the Kingdom in this world while remaining aware that, at the end of time, Jesus will restore all things and return them to the Father."

It looks like they forgot to read their mission statement before they posted this article which violates about half of their goals to love their enemies and unconditional respect for all human life.

I also found it interesting that many if not most of the comments with the article are not supportive.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:39 PM
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29. Yea, I was happy to see those posts. I just wonder if the word is
out, and people are going there to "DU the comments section."

I'd be happier if those are mostly Catholics associated with the site responding with disappointment.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:52 PM
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21. OMG! Bigoted christians! i NEVER would have believed it! lolololol!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:06 PM
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27. Gee thanks dude
Actually, most of the people who go to my church are pretty cool. Kind of depends on the denomination, I reckon.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:47 PM
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31. Don't thank *me*. Thank the bigoted christians.
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JacquesMolay Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:53 PM
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22. Hey, this is David Vitter's chance to get back in the game...
.. I'd really like to see him out there rallying the troops against sodomy.
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truckerb1968 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:54 PM
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24. Is this any different than the Salem Witch Trials?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:55 PM
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43. Sorta, but I think these radical church groups are even more
disturbing.

Especially the ones who use explosives to terrorize women at health clinics.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:55 PM
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25. k&r...and ironic huh?...n/t
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:57 PM
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26. Okay so they are not mainstream RC's. Funny thing though,
I can picture the same words coming out of Ratzinger's mouth.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:28 PM
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28. The rank hypocrisy is stunning, huh?
They really want to talk about pedophiles?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:49 PM
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32. They're not "real Christians"
:sarcasm:
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:44 PM
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37. I know!
:eyes:
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:31 AM
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40. I glanced at some of their other articles
Looks like a private rag put together by hate-mongering, paranoid Catholics. There was some other article about an "anti-Catholic" jihad. Yeah, right. If they keep printing that BS they might just bring it on themselves.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:42 AM
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42. The thing that stands out is it just screams of hypocracy
considering the priest scandal.

I do know the pope would most likely concur with these anti-gay haters.
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