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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:15 PM
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Lou Dobbs just lost me forever. Never again will I look at that
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 05:17 PM by rzemanfl
ass (who bears an uncanny resemblance to a cousin of mine I never got along with). "We will respect their privacy. Now on to more terror." Fuck you Lou!
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:17 PM
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1. and with Lou that must mean Mexicans
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:17 PM
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2. You don't think he was being sarcastic?
I don't watch CNN, just asking because I have seen him before.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:21 PM
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8. Not a chance. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:17 PM
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3. Vitter was a major anti-immigrant player.
That's why Dobbs is doing what Dobbs does.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:17 PM
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4. I voted with my remote the second he said that, as well. NT
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:20 PM
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7. Good for you. I almost voted with my remote by throwing it
through the picture tube.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:18 PM
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5. Was it Lou who said that, or Wolf?
I must be confused.

:silly:
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:18 PM
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6. It was Lou. n/t
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:22 PM
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9. Thanks.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:23 PM
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10. he actually said that?
:hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:23 PM
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11. So, CRIMINAL acts are now "private". Remember when PRIVATE acts were grounds to impeach a President?
A REAL President too, not this posturing puppet who never won office.

It really is full-blown fascism now. Y'all realize that, right?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:25 PM
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12. by not covering the Vitter Diaper Debacle the terrorists have won and he's hurt the troops.
Why do you hate the troops and love Al-Quaeda Lou, huh, why?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:31 PM
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13. I Haven't had CNN for 4 months now. Don't miss it a bit.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:33 PM
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14. Why are you watching in the first place? Are you "monitoring" in a sense?
I'm amazed that anyone is watching MSM news --
Or the whole load of garbage that's available on TV -- ????

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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:34 PM
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18. I keep it on while on my computer, getting the straight shit. n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:35 PM
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15. Lou is a Libertarian/Corporatist.....he sounds good...but always rings flat
when you peek between his covers..to see what the Man really advocates....... :-( He had potential to talks about what really is going on in Middle Class America...but he can't let go of his corporate/Wall St. Roots enough to TELL THE TRUTH..... sad.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:04 PM
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24. How is Dobbs a "Libertarian/Corporatist" when he's flat-out AGAINST the corporations & "free trade"?
Please explain this to me:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/04465...

Lou Dobbs - Exporting America: Why Corporate Greed Is Shipping American Jobs Overseas (Hardcover)
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joanski0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:44 PM
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16. Yes, I puked too, when he said he would respect
their privacy. No more Lou Dobbs. PU
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:46 PM
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17. We will, Lou? Just like you respected the privacy of the Schiavos?
I don't think so - and the public notices the media complicity with Republican moral turpitude.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:53 PM
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19. Yeah, I could tolerate his xenophobia, nativism, and faux populism
...but not going after the diaper man is a deal breaker!

Now, where's that sarcasm thingie?
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:59 PM
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20. You've just summed up the way I feel about Lou Dobbs.
The man has always been how you described him. He's a corporate tool.

What was take on Monica and Clinton? Was that a "private matter" too?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:00 PM
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21. What the heck are you talking about?
BTW, Dobbs is an excellent commentator, one of the few honest ones this nation still has left.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:41 PM
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43. Oh Dear God....if he's the last honest commentator...we are done for....
:scared:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:01 PM
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22. I Don't Why Some At DU Embraced Him...
Some here have embraced some real "pieces of work" from Lou Dobbs to Chuck Hagel to Pat Buchanan... The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend...
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:03 PM
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23. Why is Dobbs an "enemy"?
???
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:05 PM
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25. Because He's A Xenophobe And A Nativist For Starter
Like Pat Buchanan...

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:07 PM
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27. Proof?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:08 PM
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28. when he starts bitching about white illiegal immigrants then i still won't watch
his show but at least he'd be spreading it around.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:11 PM
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30. Wait a minute. Dobbs is supposed to go after "white" illegal immigrants, and NOT illegal immigrants?
I'm trying to figure this out here.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:13 PM
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33. Lou Dobbs goes after brown skinned illegal immigrants only.
what part of that don't you get? BTW i know you got what i posted but clearly your implication is that Dobbs is correct.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:38 PM
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38. Your logical fallacy doesn't make any sense. It's also a smear.
SALINAS: You're talking about Mexico. That means that you are against immigrants from Mexico.

DOBBS: I'm not against immigrants from Mexico. I'm not against immigrants from any part of the world. Point of fact, I embrace immigrants. The fact of the matter is, I love Mexico. I am against illegal immigration. I am against continuing the sham that is homeland security in which our ports are not secured, our borders are not secured. I think that this government should be held accountable.

http://aiross.blogspot.com/2006/03/lou-dobbs-racist.htm...

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:46 PM
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39. oh really, a smear? The same Lou Dobbs that spread false facts about mexicans and leprosy?
that is a smear, the same Lou Dobbs that aligns himself with the minutemen group? I can see what side you come down on in this issue, cya.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:52 PM
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40. Yeah, see ya. And don't let the race-card-baiting bite ya in the you-know-what.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:54 PM
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41. You prefer the old fashioned race baiting, eh?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:55 PM
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42. So what you're saying is...
Lou Dobbs is against illegal immigration, but he hasn't got a problem with illegal prostitution?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:09 PM
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29. Isn't his tirades against Mexicans enough?
eom
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:16 PM
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34. Can you be specific?
Like, an actual passage, which proves conclusively that Dobbs has something against illegal immigrants because of their ethnicity?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:16 PM
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35. See Post Thirty Two
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:13 PM
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32. Voila
He falsely said Mexicans are responsible for an outbreak of leprosy:


The invasion of illegal aliens is threatening the health of many Americans, Mr. Dobbs said on his April 14, 2005, program. From there, he introduced his original report that mentioned leprosy, the flesh-destroying disease technically known as Hansens disease that has inspired fear for centuries.

According to a woman CNN identified as a medical lawyer named Dr. Madeleine Cosman, leprosy was on the march. As Ms. Romans, the CNN correspondent, relayed: There were about 900 cases of leprosy for 40 years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years.

Incredible, Mr. Dobbs replied."



.....





To sort through all this, I called James L. Krahenbuhl, the director of the National Hansens Disease Program, an arm of the federal government. Leprosy in the United States is indeed largely a disease of immigrants who have come from Asia and Latin America. And the official leprosy statistics do show about 7,000 diagnosed cases but thats over the last 30 years, not the last three.

The peak year was 1983, when there were 456 cases. After that, reported cases dropped steadily, falling to just 76 in 2000. Last year, there were 137.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/business/30leonhardt....







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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:30 PM
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36. Oh, good. The David Leonhardt article.
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 07:41 PM by brentspeak
After reading Leonhardt's article the morning it was published, I personally emailed Leonhardt, pointing out how he got his facts wrong:

My email to David Leonhardt:

You wrote:

> For one thing, Mr. Dobbs has a somewhat flexible relationship with reality. He has said http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/04/ldt.00.h... for example, that one-third of the inmates in the federal prison system are illegal immigrants. Thats wrong, too. According to the Justice Department http://ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf, 6 percent of prisoners in this country are noncitizens (compared with 7 percent of the population). For a variety of reasons, the crime rate is actually lower http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/fedhwp/wp-05-19.html among immigrants than natives.

Dobbs, as you mentioned, was talking about the number of illegal immigrants in federal prisons. But the Justice Department figures of "6 percent of prisoners" which you quoted refer to illegal immigrants serving time in both federal and state prisons. If you had read the entire report, you would have come across this:

> At midyear 2005, 35,285 Federal
> inmates were noncitizens,
> representing about 19% of all
> prisoners in Federal custody.


"Federal", as not 'federal + state.'

So, on the percentage of illegal aliens residing in federal prisons, it appears both Dobbs and yourself don't seem to have the facts straight.

Sincerely...


Leonhardt's response to me :


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Indeed. I deal with the numbers in more detail here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/business/30leonside.h...

At 09:01 AM 5/30/2007, you wrote: ....


In other words, Leonhardt, the guy you're citing as an authority on the topic of Lou Dobbs, didn't know what he was talking about -- something he admitted.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:35 PM
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37. More

As FAIR has noted in the past, Dobbs' tone on immigration is consistently alarmist; he warns his viewers (3/31/06) of Mexican immigrants who see themselves as an "army of invaders" intent upon reannexing parts of the Southwestern U.S. to Mexico, announces (11/19/03) that "illegal alien smugglers and drug traffickers are on the verge of ruining some of our national treasures," and declares (4/14/05) that "the invasion of illegal aliens is threatening the health of many Americans" through "deadly imports" of diseases like leprosy and malaria. And Dobbs makes no effort to provide a nuanced or balanced picture of the issue; as he told CNN Reliable Sources host Howard Kurtz (4/2/06): "I'm not interestedare you interested in six or seven views, or are you interested in the truth? Because that's what I'm interested in; that's what my viewers are interested in."


http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2867
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:06 PM
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26. Well, he's a bigot. That should be clue number one.
Secondly, he's an apologist for republican bigots, as evidenced by the OP. That should be clue number two.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:12 PM
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31. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here.... n/t
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