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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:07 PM
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Vaccine/autism Doc faces hearing: took blood from kids



LONDON - The doctor behind a controversial study linking a common children's vaccine to autism went before an investigative panel Monday probing misconduct allegations, including whether he took blood samples from children at a birthday party.

Britain's General Medical Council is examining claims that Dr. Andrew Wakefield failed to disclose his links to autism litigators and conducted the study without proper ethical approval. Wakefield denies any misconduct.


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But the study was soon discredited, and 10 of its 13 authors have since renounced its conclusions. The Lancet also said it should not have published the study, saying Wakefield's links to litigation against the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine were a "fatal conflict of interest."

In addition to Wakefield, two other authors of the paper John Walker-Smith and Simon Murch are being investigated by the medical council.

more at:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19787744/
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:19 PM
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1. Conflict of interest.
But the study was soon discredited, and 10 of its 13 authors have since renounced its conclusions. The Lancet also said it should not have published the study, saying Wakefield's links to litigation against the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine were a "fatal conflict of interest."

One is only allowed such a conflict if the $$ comes from drug manufacturers. *tsk tsk Dr. Wakefield.

Interesting how they are pursuing these doctors just before major litigation?

Recommended, because this is an important topic. Thanks.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:21 PM
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2. What sucks is...
now it's that much easier to write-off the whole study.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:36 PM
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5. the whole study has
already been written off.

Did you read the OP? 10 of 13 of the study's authors have renounced the results.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:37 PM
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6. crikey! sending to wife...
then hopefully, sending daughter to doctor for vaccinations.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:08 PM
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11. yikes!
your daughter wasn't vaccinated based on this study?!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:01 PM
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20. Not this study...a book that cites several studies.
most outdated by now.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:21 PM
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3. LOL
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:27 PM
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4. K&R...
any comment from RFK Jr.?

Sid
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:43 PM
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7. His Ethics Are As Good As His Science
A fair number of big and good studies have shown that there's zero link between autism (or "autism", since all sorts of stuff is called autism these days) and vaccines with or without thimerosal. These studies have been conducted throughout Europe and the US.

There's no question that docs, to some degree, aim their characterization of results based on where the money is. But a lot of the research has been done in the Scandinavian countries where there's less of that nonsense - and if there was a link, there's be no way to conceal it over this many studies.

The shame is that some kids are not getting vaccines because their parents are terrorized by utterly unwarranted hypothesis - and while kids don't get autism/"autism" from vaccines, they absolutely get sick, and sometimes die, from not getting vaccines. Bad stuff.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:11 PM
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10. Yep
it's so funny how people weigh different risks. They read about one (now discredited)report about a possible link between vaccines and autism, and then decide that measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc. are more acceptable risks.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:44 PM
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8. Fucking vampire... in more ways than one. n/t
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:09 PM
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9. interesting
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:36 PM
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12. Infectious disease always spreads much better when coupled with human stupidity
Hopefully, no one died because of the "doctor".
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:38 PM
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13. sadly
I'm sure some did.

That study was used widely to promote fear of vaccines. I hope those kids who're paralyzed for life due to polio can forgive him (and their parents).
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:43 PM
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14. Or the parents of kids who have disablities, including autism, as a result of maternal rubella..
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:44 PM
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15. wow... can maternal rubella cause autism?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:30 PM
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17. Yes; it's one of the rather few known environmental causes
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 06:30 PM by LeftishBrit
4 to 8 per cent of children with maternal rubella have autism.

Of course, there are many other disabilities that can result from prenatal exposure to this illness.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:34 PM
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18. There's some serious irony for you
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:26 PM
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16. 2006: Decline in MMR uptake blamed for measles death
A FALL in the number of parents allowing their children to have the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine has been blamed for a resurgence of measles that has claimed the life of a 13-year-old boy.

More people have been infected in the first three months of this year than the whole of 2005, and at least 30 children have caught measles in a single outbreak in South Yorkshire.

The teenager is Britains first fatality in 14 years.

Immunisation rates here, eight years after the first scare over the combined measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, are among the lowest in Western Europe. Fears that the triple jab could lead to autism caused take-up to fall from over 90 per cent in 1998 to less than 80 per cent two years ago. Currently, 81 per cent of children have the combined vaccine before they are two; many European countries achieve the 95 per cent coverage recommended by the World Health Organisation to prevent outbreaks.

The 13-year-old who died last month lived in a travellers community. It is thought that he had a weakened immune system; he was being treated for a lung condition. The boy died of an infection of the central nervous system caused by a reaction to the measles virus. The Health Protection Agency described his death as shocking.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:36 PM
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19. yes -- i was going to post about the same thing.
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 06:37 PM by xchrom
both england and ireland have issued official warnings to people about listening to people like wakefield.

there are some very strange and really deadly people out there using what amounts to voodoo trying to chip away at good public health medical practices.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:19 PM
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21. Isn't that the saddest thing?
and they do it for the same reasons people attack "big pharma": to make money.
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