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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:48 AM
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Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2127115,00.html

Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran


Military solution back in favour as Rice loses out
President 'not prepared to leave conflict unresolved'

Ewen MacAskill in Washington and Julian Borger
Monday July 16, 2007
The Guardian


The balance in the internal White House debate over Iran has shifted back in favour of military action before President George Bush leaves office in 18 months, the Guardian has learned.

The shift follows an internal review involving the White House, the Pentagon and the state department over the last month. Although the Bush administration is in deep trouble over Iraq, it remains focused on Iran. A well-placed source in Washington said: "Bush is not going to leave office with Iran still in limbo."

The White House claims that Iran, whose influence in the Middle East has increased significantly over the last six years, is intent on building a nuclear weapon and is arming insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The vice-president, Dick Cheney, has long favoured upping the threat of military action against Iran. He is being resisted by the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and the defence secretary, Robert Gates.

Last year Mr Bush came down in favour of Ms Rice, who along with Britain, France and Germany has been putting a diplomatic squeeze on Iran. But at a meeting of the White House, Pentagon and state department last month, Mr Cheney expressed frustration at the lack of progress and Mr Bush sided with him. "The balance has tilted. There is cause for concern," the source said this week.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:53 AM
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1. we need to get these sick SOB's out of office.
they are truly a threat to the American people, our own homegrown terrorists sitting in the WH. Cheney is the first SOB that should go, I wish the Dems and Repigs would stick up for the American people. Or we will be toast.....sigh...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:55 AM
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3. LONG overdue!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:54 AM
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2. The U.S. has the power to bomb Iran. But it no longer has world
opinion on its side.

In fact world opinion is decidedly opposed to any unnecessary military action by the Bush administration, period. And it is justifiably dismissive that Mr. Bush's last attack was necessary.

There was no rush to join the alliance against Saddam Hussein because most governments knew straight away that this summer would come, with a great deal of Iraq reduced to despair, chaos and smoking rubble.

I don't personally believe there is sustainable support in the military for an assault on Iran. And there definitely isn't anywhere else.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:55 AM
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4. Yeah I kind of agree
How much more than dropping a bomb or two can they do? Not that I'm in favor of even that, I just don't know that the Bush's have the political capital to do any more than that.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:57 AM
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5. Wouldn't a bomb or two be enough to piss off a lot of people? nt
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:03 AM
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7. No argument here
But . . . as bad as that would be, it would still seem to be a lot less bad, for both us and the Iranian people, than say invading and occupying Iran.

Bryant
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:58 AM
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6. Hi, bryant69. Yes. Bush bragged about his "political capital" back in
November of 2004.

Wow have things turned around in that market ever since.

Politically, he has a few nickels in his pockets and is trying to buy a mansion. Cheney is more unpopular than Bush. I'm not seeing a flood of Republicans lining up to bomb the piss out of Iran either.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:04 AM
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8. I'm fucking ready to march these criminal bastards out the door.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:09 AM
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10. these thugs would have been long gone if they were in Europe or
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 08:09 AM by alyce douglas
any eastern block country, they would have been long gone. They won't stop until we make them stop, violently or peacefully.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:06 AM
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9. I am still at a loss as to what Iran did to be attacked for...
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 08:06 AM by niceypoo
They are trying to blame the Iraq war on Iran but most of the foriegn fighters and suicide bombers are Saudis, Bushes pals...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:11 AM
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11. exactly.
yea, Saudis are our friends all right. :sarcasm:
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:28 AM
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12. They'd have to be insane to attack Iran.
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 08:28 AM by Jim__
Our military is stretched to the breaking point in Iraq. One bombing raid against Iran would probably bring the Iranian army rushing across the Iraq border. The soldiers in Iraq would pay one hell of a heavy price for that little bit of idiocy.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:30 AM
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13. Well, they're not exactly exhibiting any common sense, and we've seen
how great they are at 'supporting the troops'...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:32 AM
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14. they are insane.
we got to stop them.
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