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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:07 PM Original message |
We need to stop calling it the Iraq War. The war ended 4 years ago. It is the Iraq Occupation now. |
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youngdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. A few thousand dead American soldiers, their families and millions of Iraqis would probably disagree |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. occupation is certainly a form of war |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. war can be honorable, occupation is never justified n/t |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. It is not hairsplitting... |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. but you're not doing something useful, you are belittling the truth |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. And I think you are the one who is splitting hairs... |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Under occupation, Bush is resposible for the well-being of Iraqis. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. Call it hairsplitting, but in my lexicon an 'occupation' is for the most |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. As a DUer I haven't seen around in years stated back in 03, it was never a war. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. how clueless would a person have to be to be unaware that an invasion is a war? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Yeah, I guess I'm pretty fucking stupid, huh? nt |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. well certainly that poster you referenced who disappeared was pretty damn out of it or else a troll |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. No, I found her advice intelligent and wise, so I'm fucking stupid. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Actually, what you describe is the ideal war. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Yeah they called it war torn France, not occupied France, and for a reason... |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's a holocaust. It's genocide. It's Nancy's War. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Nancy's war? n/t |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. She bought it. She owns it. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. silly me...I forgot...Nancy is the enemy because she won't do what you want! n/t |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Is that too complex? Is it the Democracy that bothers you? |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. not at all |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. One problem: She did have the votes. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. ah, we do have a difference of opinion |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
32. She's only the mortgage broker.. bush bought it first then sold shares. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Bush is moving out. Nancy is moving in. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. yes, and a rather brutal and repressive one at that. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
8. I've posted similar topics before. This is so obvious ! George Lakoff needs to be mentioned here |
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JacquesMolay (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. I disagree .... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yes, let's call it an "occupation" instead of a war. |
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phildo (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
13. Occupation? It is turning into a Career! |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
14. Lately, I always refer to it as the Iraq invasion and occupation. Language DOES matter, very much |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
15. I call it the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
19. the "war" is over. it IS NOW an occupation, and YES, words do matter |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. if words mattered you wouldn't be afraid to call a war a war |
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pettypace (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
21. agreed |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. that's what the british said in 1776 |
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pettypace (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. civil war between arabs mainly |
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ryanus (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. will do |
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gasperc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. and it's not the War in Iraq but the War ON Iraq |
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Nunyabiz (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
35. The USA has NOT been at WAR since 1945 |
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pettypace (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I'd say Vietnam was more of a conventional war compared to the current situation in Iraq. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
40. A war requires that both sides be able to fight. And to actually do so. |
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spirit of wine (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
43. Afghanistan was a war |
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