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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:17 AM
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Those opposing impeachment favor having criminals in the White House.
It's easy.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:19 AM
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1. Now THAT would make a nice bumpersticker! n/t
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:20 AM
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2. You're either with us or against us?
It's a little black and white. But what the hell I'll make the bumper sticker anyway.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/658059
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:39 AM
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11. With us or against us is nowhere to be found in that line.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:49 AM
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Actually, I'd put that on my car

IMPEACHMENT

You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:20 AM
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3. They don't "favor" it so much as believe . . .
As I reluctantly do, that impeachment is 1) impracticable and 2) politically risky.

Although I'm beginning to think that 2) isn't operative any more and 1) is looking a little shaky too.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:22 AM
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7. I'm glad to hear that
cause people are dying over there by the boat loads daily. Not all by our hands but because of our hands they are
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:36 PM
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61. The alternative of leaving the criminals in office....
is starting to look incredibly risky as to what's left of our democracy.
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:44 AM
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89. Did you watch Bill Moyers with Fein and Nichols?

If not, please watch and then come back and tell us what you think. I've favored impeachment for a long time, but I'm interested in knowing how persuasive the program is for people who aren't conviced yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:20 AM
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4. how more plainer can it be put
traitors as well but I guess traitors do come under criminals

this is what these traitors/war criminals needs to be looking at
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A wise Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:59 AM
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55. I prefer a trial for treason
Go in with a warrant for everyone in there from the maintenance person to the cooks and throw all of their asses in jail
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:59 AM
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86. Well, if we want to talk about what we prefer...
I prefer he be tried for war crimes at The Hague.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:22 AM
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5. Yes it is easy
And those who favor pissing away political capital tilting at windmills want our troops to stay in Iraq. It's easy.

Everything is easy when you simplify the arguments you disagree with down to a caricature. It's like debating a cardboard cutout (which some people seem to find very satisfying).
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:37 AM
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10. Cardboard cut outs get more done. Quibbling and endless discussion were
not on Don Quixote's to do list. Your suggestion of endless discussion = endless war.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:44 AM
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14. Hmmmm. ok
But I suppose we've done this topic to death. A difference in preferred tactic does not necessarily indicate a difference in preferred outcome.

Bryant
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:47 AM
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15. Talking without action will really get you places.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:50 AM
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16. Nobody believes that immediate impeachment will actually lead
to removal in office - not even here at DU.

You know you can attempt to bully and intimidate people into agreeing with you; that is a tactic that works on some. But it won't work on me.

Bryant
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:52 AM
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18. So you don't like facing facts. Too much for you?
Well here's another. When he's tied up with impeachment proceedings, he can't do more harm to the country. And while we're at it add in gonzo and dicko fucko too, add them in the mix.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:53 AM
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22. I'm fine with facing facts
Just not keen on simple minded propaganda - whether it is President Bush or a fellow DUer spewing it.

Bryant
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:12 AM
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34.  Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, well almost everyone.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:29 AM
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:30 AM
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47. And yet somehow I'm rejecting your simple minded arguments
Bryant
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:35 AM
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48. Must be a personal problem.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:55 AM
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25. I'm on your side lsn
:hug: this should not have to be a discussion, whats right needs to be done and now and whats right is stopping this madman now.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:09 AM
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32. This should not have to be a discussion?
Now that's an interesting statement. Almost religious in nature.

Bryant
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:55 AM
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26. He doesn't understand the reason for impeachment.
Removal isn't the only reason for impeachment.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:13 AM
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35. LOL
It isn't that fucking difficult.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:53 AM
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21. The mormons seem to intimidate you.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:54 AM
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23. I am actaully a Mormon
So that's not really an accurate statement.

Bryant
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:58 AM
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28. Oh, I think it is. No offense, but I think it is accurate.
:hi:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:59 AM
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No offense?
Why say that? What value does that add, when you are purposefully implying something offensive?

Bryant
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:10 AM
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:14 AM
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37. Splains everything!
:rofl:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:15 AM
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40. Nice.
I disagree with you on Impeachment and I agree with Harry Reid, John Conyers, Nancy Pelosi and others.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:09 PM
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65. You have one too many "M"s in there....
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:58 PM
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74. LOL
:toast:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:06 AM
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87. Tell me how, exactly, are we going to get our troops out of Iraq with that warmonger
still in office?? Please, PLEASE tell me how?? He will veto, or render moot by signing statement, any legislation that actually passes both the House and Senate aimed at ending this war. He's already fucking said it! Didn't you get the message? What does it take to get this through the skulls of the people who push this meme???

Hollow victories like the one yesterday don't mean SQUAT! It WILL be vetoed or rendered moot by signing statement. I know I just repeated myself, but dammit man, what does it take to get you to see this?? Yes, let's waste time and political clout passing useless legislation so the Dem leaders in Congress can pat themselves on the back and say "look! we did something!"

IMPEACH. INDICT. IMPRISON.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:22 AM
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6. Exactly! K&R
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:26 AM
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8. Projection Rating = 3.5
And how are criminals convicted and brought to trial with an impeachment...especially those who aren't elected? Also, how does a political trial replace a criminal one?

One final question that I have yet to see anyone answer and that is how does Impeachment bring this invasion to an end? Or does it prolong it? Instead of focusing on cutting funding and finding ways to defang this regime step by step. Instead of using resources to investigate real criminals and real crimes that fall outside the politics of impeachment, crooks like Sara Taylor or Monica Goodling or numerous other liars and enablers will go free from having to face their crimes and then rise again in several years as part of a "new" Repugnican party.

Now my easy...it's math. Without 67 votes to convict, with an acquital, the criminals not only remain in charge, they get vindicated. It's that simple.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:40 AM
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12. The criminal trial can wait until after impeachment as is always the case.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:53 AM
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20. Then Let's Go Get Gonzo
Right now I'm all for dragging Gonzo up on contempt charges, taking those criminal charges to the House Judiciary and let's get that bastard Impeached NOW. Here's someone directly linked to obstruction and the destruction of the Justice system. He must be removed. I see the votes in the House and then its on to the Senate. And what can we expect there? This will give you a good idea of how the process works or doesn't...as we call agree this criminal needs to be removed immediately and this is our only recourse.

Now what if that impeachment leads to an acquital? Then what happens to the criminal trials? The history books will write this regime's criminal legacy...our job is to bring it all forward and prosecute it...as a criminal matter. Through that route, we also rectify the political wrongs and do so in a strong and lasting way. We must prevent the politicization of our government and root out all the corrupt enablers...preventing them from creeping back in the future to infect the country again.

With a Democratic House, a Senate with at least 55 Democrats and a Democratic Executive, we can still get an impeachment...correct the wrongs, send the political message and get some vindication...but right now these options aren't ones that will effect positive change.

Trust me, I'm as frustrated with the criminality as anyone on DU. I applaud all who want to hold this regime accountable, but I'm also a pragmatist that sees this right now as an act that will distract and prolong problems rather than solve them.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:38 AM
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49. All three of them suits me.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:49 AM
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52. The Corporate Media Would Love That One
"Democrats attempt coup de etat"...and they wouldn't be too far from being wrong.

I'm playing pragmastist here. While the thought of all three in the well of the Senate facing conviction is a wet dream beyond dreams, let's stick to what is do-able...what can make something happen sooner rather than later...actions that have substance that will end this war for profit.

You know the government can barely function as it is...so if you're going to force change you have to cut the tenacles off this beast...Gonzo is one major artery. The inquiry into his crimes will expose even more crimes, making a case against booosh even stronger. It removes an enabler who holds a motherlode of smoking guns and puts him in legal crosshairs that will build a case for the World Court and the real trials that all in this regime deserve.

I won't be satisfied until I see boooosh, cheney, rummy, feith, rove, wolfowitz, pearle and others sitting in judgement in the Hague.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:33 AM
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9. The next pack of criminals will be far worse...
...unless we draw a line in the sand NOW. Toll-free numbers below.

NGU.


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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:43 AM
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13. BINGO!!! Succinct and to the point.
And just happens to be TRUE. It really is THAT SIMPLE.

:thumbsup: and recommended!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:51 AM
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17. Arguing about whether or not we should impeach is like arguing about whether or not to exhale.
It's the stupidest thing I've heard from the otherwise above-average intelligence pool of opinion that is DU. The argument's been framed, and I have to wonder what's being slipped by us as we waste our time with it.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:53 AM
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19. Like we can't think about more than one item at a time. Please.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:54 AM
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24. Oh, change your diaper. I didn't say that.
I'm saying that we might as well be discussing abortion for all the good it's doing. And while we're yelling at each other, we aren't yelling at the people we should be yelling at.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:58 AM
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27. due to the fact Iraqi's are dying each and every day, innocent Iraqi's mind you
is the reason we have to stop this madman, no matter what it takes, impeachment arrest it don't matter to me just stop the killing
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:59 AM
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29. I agree with that completely. When is someone going to do something about it?
Our elected representatives can't seem to be bothered with it at this time.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:08 AM
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31. Well keep at them like a badger! Never surrender!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:13 AM
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36. I keep wondering if that isn't a waste of our time.
They are telling us that they are unable and/or unwilling to do the job that should've already been done. How many more dead should we endure before they do anything effective?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:15 AM
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39. Your question is circular.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:18 AM
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42. Not really. - n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:07 AM
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30. I am.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:06 AM
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56. "Oh, change your diaper"..."I am"
:spray:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:59 PM
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75. heh heh heh
:toast:
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:14 AM
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38. I don't think it's fair to say they FAVOR a criminal in the White House
They just don't feel we should do anything about it.

.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:44 AM
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51. Complicity = Favor.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:54 AM
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54. No, complicity = complicity. FAVOR means to prefer.
I sincerely don't believe anyone here on DU, except for the freeper moles, FAVORS (as in PREFERS) having criminals in the WH. I think they just feel powerless or otherwise hopeless to change anything. It doesn't mean they FAVOR criminality.

That doesn't make their spinelessness any more palatable, but I don't think it does any good to falsely characterize their position.

.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:39 PM
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68. Silence kills. Remaining silent on the issue is the same as favoring as in prefers.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:17 AM
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41. This Ideal's As Idiotic And Simple Minded As "If Ya Don't Support The War You're For The Terrorists"
Same limited and flawed mentatlity inherent within each.

Impeachment is far more complex of an equation.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:41 PM
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69. Tell me how allowing criminals to stay on in the White House is not complicity with regard
the criminality we all know exists there. Quibbling about how complex the truth is, is fucking simple minded. Simple minded is as simple fucking minded does!
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:51 AM
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80. omc wouldn't understand logic if it bit him/her in the ass.
and it regularly does. really, of all people to be complaining about false dichotomies...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:27 AM
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43. Apparently, some people think they're not really criminals.
They keep making excuses.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:39 AM
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50. They like talking to hear themselves talk.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:28 AM
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44. Dear lonestarnot
There is at least one other way to look at the situation. I for one, feel it would actually be far worse if Bush & Cheney were impeached but not convicted. Unfortunately, at this point I simply can't see a conviction coming out of the Senate. I can't picture this crop of hyper-partisan republicans voting for that. No way.

Believe me. I would like nothing better than to see Bush do time in prison. I don't want to see him 'exonerated' either though, and you know that the republicans would trumpet an impeachment w/out conviction as a 'partisan attack by Democrats (sorry, the Democrat Congress) from which Bush had been totally exonerated'. You know it would happen.

I will add though, that as these investigations continue to play out (Meiers not testifying, etc) we may get to the point where even the republicans in Congress will be forced to get on board w/ impeachment. We're not quite there yet.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:30 AM
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46. They will be convicted, but first they must be impeached.
I thank you for your concern. :hug:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:36 PM
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60. My thoughts as well.
:hi:
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:55 AM
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81. i'm also afraid of that, but we have to impeach anyway.
it is impossible to convict UNLESS you impeach.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:59 AM
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82. Listen to the Bill Moyers Journal program that aired tonight on PBS>
Fein and Nichols both said that impeachment doesn't have to lead to conviction to be very productive.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:53 AM
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53. That's correct.
People can spin it anyway they want to in order to try and deny it.
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democratdoug Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:08 AM
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57. We should stage a HUGE protest at the doorsteps of OUR Whitehouse...
let me know....I'll be there.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 12:17 PM
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58. I agree, I'm back to say the same thing again,
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 01:20 PM
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59. Are you saying impeachment NOW will lead to Bush's removal?
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 01:35 PM by mzmolly
Also, I'm not sure anyone here is "opposed" to Impeachment per se.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:38 PM
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62. Thank you! nt
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:42 PM
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63. Like it. But would expand/modify to " Those opposing impeachment tolerate having
criminals in the White House and are satisfied that the current WH can solve some of the toughest, complex, and critical issues our country has faced in nearly every policy area."

Doesn't sing like yours but I think if the criminals in the WH were actually doing great, it's another story. These criminals are doing very, very badly by anyone's measure.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:09 PM
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64. Same thing. They favor them staying.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:43 PM
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71. Good wiggs. Tolerating is softer.
I'm not the soft kind. :shrug:
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:20 PM
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66. Agreed 100%
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 04:49 PM
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67. K&R.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:42 PM
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70. Well the impeachment polls at DU show only about 2-3% opposed to impeachment...
So maybe you're preaching to the choir?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:44 PM
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72. Have you read the thread? All the 2% flock to oppose? Or what?
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:53 PM
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73. Impeach the precipitous asshole and his puppetmaster
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:02 PM
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76. Couldn't have said it better myself!
Impeach, indict, and imprison the Bush/PNAC cabal! :grr:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:03 PM
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77. I agree they are supporting criminals
if you do that then you are aiding and abetting criminals
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:05 PM
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78. If I let a bank robber come and stay in my house with knowledge that he had
just robbed a bank, that is exactly what I would be fucking charged with! :toast:
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:34 PM
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79. I used to oppose it - but now it's like Bush is almost daring congress to do it
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 11:35 PM by suziedemocrat
He doesn't even make an effort any more to appear to want to uphold the constitution.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:36 AM
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83. Not only that, they are in favor of a permanent Republican dictatorship instead of a democracy.
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 01:37 AM by Kablooie
That, I'm afraid will be the result if these assholes are allowed to remain through next year.

The elections won't happen.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:50 AM
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84. K&R
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 02:56 AM
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85. Yep.
That's how I see it. I think that if someone opposes impeaching Cheney at this point, then they are supporting him.

How simple is that to understand? The guy actually claimed that he was not part of the government that he was elected to.

Throw the bastard out and be done with it. Why are the Dems in Congress the only ones protecting him?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:31 AM
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88. you've summed up what's wrong with most of the pro-impeachment talk
it's only easy if you ignore the non-easy parts.
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