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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:46 PM
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Poll question: Which do GBLT US citizens deserve to have as a civil right
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 05:47 PM by LostinVA

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:47 PM
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1. Stop dressing it up in such
an abstract way!!! x(

That's no fun at all...

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:48 PM
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2. I thought it was nice and direct
As a poll should be.

Interesting that some voters are already saying we don't deserve equality.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:50 PM
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4. They're starting early this year...
Hope you got a lot of rest over the holidays... x(

:hi:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:56 PM
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8. I know -- I need some B12 shots
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:49 PM
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3. It's just a WORD silly!
:sarcasm:
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:50 PM
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5. Equal rights with heterosexual US citizens
Same rights, same protections, equality for all American citizens. Regardless of race, sexual orientation, gender, religion, ethnicity.... Regadless of everything. Equal rights.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:52 PM
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6. It's MARRIAGE, dammit!
You would think this would be a no-brainer.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:54 PM
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7. This pisses the shit out of me
This should not be a question we should be asking in the year 2007.
My 65 year old mother knows the answer to this one.
Why can't you just enjoy your Constitutionally guaranteed right to pursue happiness...however you choose to do it?
Why do we have to decide which civil rights to give to groups? :mad:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:56 PM
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10. Thank you, HWNO
:pals:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:13 PM
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19. Backatcha my friend
:hug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:42 AM
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53. No kidding. But remember, last year we were debating TORTURE.
Sometimes I feel like I woke up in one of those nightmares where everything looks the same but it's a parallel, evil universe. We need an angry fist smiley. :mad:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:56 PM
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9. the same ones as heterosexuals.
either we all get civil unionized or married but we deserve the same rights.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:56 PM
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11. Nice simple direct language. No tricks.
Just do you believe in equality or do you believe gays don't deserve equality. I would love to see the poster that thinks gays only deserve civil unions own up to it.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:57 PM
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13. There IS one Civil Union vote
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:57 PM
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12. Other -
Every goddess-blessed right "We, the People" have, dammit! It say's "We, the People". It does NOT say "We, the heterosexual People".

I know you didn't ask but I thought I'd do a one size fits all post cause I'm tired of politicians throwing groups under the bus because we've been divided into subsets rather than addressed as People, dammit!





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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:18 PM
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23. That's fine!
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:00 PM
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14. One for all, or all for one
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 06:03 PM by mentalsolstice
Either we should all be married, or we should all be civilly united (for legal purposes) and then leave it to the individuals to define their relationship. Either way, equal rights for everyone. Whatever the state decides to call it, the terminology should be the same for heterosexuals and LGBT citizens.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:04 PM
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15. This is such a difficult question which challenges my soul

NOT!!

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:05 PM
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17. you *do* have a way with words, Damien
:D
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:20 PM
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26. Thank you sweetheart




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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:04 PM
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16. Equal rights for everyone.
Equal...not the same, but different. Not the "go away if we throw you a bone...it's not your time" type.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:10 PM
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18. gee, I wonder who the 1 vote for civil unions was.
I dunno.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:15 PM
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20. Wasn't me.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:19 PM
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25. why would you assume I thought so?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:22 PM
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27. !!!
:spray: :rofl:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:25 PM
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28. OMFG!!!
:spray:

:rofl:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:27 PM
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29. giggle
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:58 PM
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38. HA HA HA HA!!!
Nice one!!! :rofl: :spray:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:16 PM
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41. Uppityperson hits for critical damage.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:21 PM
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43. !
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:17 PM
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42. Because you did.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:39 PM
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45. My world does not revolve around you. Quit stalking me.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:18 PM
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22. I think that was an "ikki" vote. n/t
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:17 PM
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21. Dammit, LostinVA! You're just going to make those homophobes mad and now
they're not gonna LET us get married!

Oh wait...
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:19 PM
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24. That's okay, maybe our marriage rights will be restored -- oh, wait
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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:32 PM
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30. gee, if they get equal rights
EVERYONE will want them.



dammit, it won't show. cut and paste, it's one of my bumper stickers
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:36 PM
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31. Love ya. Mean it. Swear.
:* :hi:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:38 PM
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33. Back at you
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:38 PM
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32. This is a pretty stupid poll.
Of course the goal would be marriage.

Duh?

Did you need a poll to tell you that?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:43 PM
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34. as stupid as yours?
of course not in your mind.

i'm wondering.... aLthough i'm not quoting you, does my addressing you make you Look better?

:rofl:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:44 PM
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35. Marriage equality.
:hi:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:48 PM
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36. Hugs, EVOO Man!
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:55 PM
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37. Back atcha!
:hug:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:05 PM
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39. I voted for marriage equality.
:hi:
The straight, white, male Judeo-Christians of this country are merely asserting their fleeting dominance with all of this civil union bullshit.

They are afraid because they are no longer the majority in the US. They are desperately clinging to "yesterday" and years gone by when they had laws to protect them in their oppression of others. They are trying to force an entire group of HUMAN BEINGS back in the closet by denying them rights, to comfort themselves in their believed birthright--"dominance and 'deciders' of all."

I remain unimpressed with any of the presidential candidates at this time. To gain my vote they need to stop all this "state's rights" bullshit and get behind doing what's right for human beings, regardless of sexuality. State's rights and civil unions are passing the buck. Passing the buck is bullshit. They don't have to "believe in" or "agree with" gay marriage to support equality. I know I'm preaching to the choir here--but damn, this really upsets me.

Who the hell are they to deny PEOPLE rights?

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:36 AM
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51. Yay! Bliss!
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:11 PM
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40. Marriage Equality for all!
EVOO notwithstanding... :D

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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:32 PM
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44. I'm interested to know what four BIGOTS voted in this poll. nt
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:39 PM
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46. None with the guts to say so!! n/t
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:43 PM
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47. Typical.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:56 PM
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48. Marriage Equality
They deserve the same thing straight US citizens do. No exceptions.

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:34 PM
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49. Can someone please
give me the definition of both "Marriage" and "Civil Unions"?

Long ago in a not so far away land, I was "married" by a judge in a civil service. No church. No god. No religion. Is the only reason it was called a marriage, because I am a straight female and he was (probably still is) a straight male?

Btw, I voted for equal rights for all.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:37 AM
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52. Yeah, that's about it
The "two tiers"/"separate but unequal" thing.

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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:38 PM
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50. Is this one of them push poles?
:scratcheshead:

:scratchesgenerally:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:45 AM
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54. It's not a matter of deserve...equality for all means just that
Equality for all

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:05 AM
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57. I totally agree with you, however
I worded it that way to preemptively stop certain "arguments." This is a civil rights issue, period.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:09 AM
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58. I guessed as much
I find it interesting what people think others "deserve"...especially people who have those rights whether they "deserve" them or not...



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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:51 AM
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62. Yup -- I totally agree
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:47 AM
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55. I voted marriage equality but what does that entail?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:04 AM
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56. Everyone has the same legal designation of "civil union"
There's not a two-tiered system. It's called one thing, with everyone having the same rights.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:12 AM
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60. In other words, call both marriage instead of separation by semantics?
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 07:12 AM by mmonk
(just trying to understand).
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:53 AM
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63. It's not just semantics, unfortunately
It's legal status under the law, as conferred by the word used.

But, I get what you mean.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:58 AM
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66. OK, I understand better. I didn't mean anything, I'm just not
well versed on the issue and wanted clarification.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:07 AM
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68. I know -- no worries!
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:11 AM
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59. No two-tiered system, no separate but (not) equal - same rights for ALL
Every marriage the same!

mikey_the_rat
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:19 AM
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61. Regardless of the argument made for the contrary in other threads,
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 07:27 AM by Bassic
I think it's clear to anyone with half a brain that homosexuals are being denied the right to marry. To argue that they do have the right to marry, just not to marry eachother is simply another way to perpetuate that discrimination.

The law may not say anyhthing about love, but the fact is that this is what marriage is all about, and this is why people marry. That Marriage allows them access to a whole friggin bunch of advantages. Those advantages are denied homosexuals, because they can not marry. Legally they can marry a person of the opposite sex, but we all know that's not going to happen and that using this as the basis of a legal argument is not only idiotic, it is downright biggoted.


I root for you LostinVA
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:54 AM
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64. You know what, Bassic?
:pals: :pals: :pals:
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:05 AM
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67. Right back at ya
:pals: :pals: :pals:

:)
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:55 AM
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65. Full equality in all matters of law
... along with all other minority groups.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:16 AM
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69. The exact same rights as heterosexuals.
All of them.
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