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133724 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:04 PM
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Prosecutor says Libby destroyed Cheney memo
WASHINGTON - Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald used his opening statement in the CIA leak trial Tuesday to allege that Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff lied and destroyed a note showing Cheney's early involvement.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16770023 /

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   It is a good day  blogslut   Jan-23-07 12:05 PM   #1 
   Its a very good day. Destroying evidence n/t  NNN0LHI   Jan-23-07 12:31 PM   #13 
      It's sunny outside...  Kikosexy2   Jan-23-07 03:19 PM   #32 
   HOLY CRAP! Why isn't Cheney being charged with obstruction of justice?  originalpckelly   Jan-23-07 12:07 PM   #2 
   It still has to be proved and they need evidence.  Homer12   Jan-23-07 12:07 PM   #3 
   They would have to prove he told them to destroy it  Norquist Nemesis   Jan-23-07 12:12 PM   #6 
   it would have to have been an order  unpossibles   Jan-23-07 12:14 PM   #7 
   Couldn't Fitz lean on Scooter to get him to reveal evidence against Cheney?  meldroc   Jan-23-07 02:50 PM   #31 
   because he leaked the name  Epiphany4z   Jan-23-07 12:18 PM   #9 
   Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice prevents Cheney being charged  Kagemusha   Jan-23-07 12:32 PM   #14 
   Libby is being charged with obstruction  hang a left   Jan-23-07 12:47 PM   #18 
   This must be the dirt kicked in the umpire's eyes that Fitzgerald referred to  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jan-23-07 01:07 PM   #23 
   rec 5  helderheid   Jan-23-07 12:09 PM   #4 
   Did Fitzgerald cut a deal with Rove?  Homer12   Jan-23-07 12:10 PM   #5 
   that may have been how Rove got off, the knowledge of the letter  jsamuel   Jan-23-07 12:45 PM   #17 
   Three words...OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.  spanone   Jan-23-07 12:15 PM   #8 
   Well now I understand Fitz' whole thing about that.  Kagemusha   Jan-23-07 12:35 PM   #15 
   Opened with ... a shotgun blast to the face.  Burried News   Jan-23-07 12:18 PM   #10 
   watch the MSNBC video in the link  DemReadingDU   Jan-23-07 12:19 PM   #11 
   There is a 2nd video  DemReadingDU   Jan-23-07 01:37 PM   #26 
   oh I love it, lots of damning evidence about Cheney  alyce douglas   Jan-23-07 01:44 PM   #29 
      Yeh!  DemReadingDU   Jan-23-07 01:49 PM   #30 
   sometimes the truth is the most obvious and easiest explanation  LSK   Jan-23-07 12:20 PM   #12 
   Is there gonna be a Perry Mason moment?  C_U_L8R   Jan-23-07 12:43 PM   #16 
   Heh. Whether Paul Drake storms into the courtroom with vital  myrna minx   Jan-23-07 12:50 PM   #19 
   An old Nixonite like Cheney directing a cover-up - who woulda thunk it?  IWantAChange   Jan-23-07 12:58 PM   #20 
   WAIT- MSNBC's David Schuster just said that may have been  npincus   Jan-23-07 01:00 PM   #21 
   Kick & Nominated  pberq   Jan-23-07 01:06 PM   #22 
   I'm just hoping it was a computer generated note and they searched the Hard Drive  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-23-07 01:08 PM   #24 
   Tricky Dick Redux!  DrunkenMaster   Jan-23-07 01:09 PM   #25 
   k&r  Swamp Rat   Jan-23-07 01:38 PM   #27 
   oh boy, this is something, Fitz is not going to stop.  alyce douglas   Jan-23-07 01:42 PM   #28 
   if fitzgerald is using the ryan trial as a blueprint  madrchsod   Jan-23-07 03:35 PM   #33 
   WOW@  themartyred   Jan-23-07 04:43 PM   #34 
 
blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:05 PM
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1. It is a good day
:)
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:31 PM
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13. Its a very good day. Destroying evidence n/t
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Kikosexy2 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 03:19 PM
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32. It's sunny outside...
and the canary is singing...Tell me more Libby...sing baby sing!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:07 PM
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2. HOLY CRAP! Why isn't Cheney being charged with obstruction of justice?
:shrug:

That's like the gap on the Watergate tapes.
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Homer12 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:07 PM
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3. It still has to be proved and they need evidence.
You can't bring a case against a vice president without real facts.
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:12 PM
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6. They would have to prove he told them to destroy it
But, yea, I agree that it doesn't seem to matter what Bush/Cheney have done. There seems to be no consequences for their crimes. NONE!!!
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:14 PM
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7. it would have to have been an order
otherwise it's Scooter that is obstructing.
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meldroc (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 02:50 PM
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31. Couldn't Fitz lean on Scooter to get him to reveal evidence against Cheney?
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 02:52 PM by meldroc
Offer a plea bargain - shave a couple years off his sentence if he testifies against Cheney or points Fitzgerald towards evidence implicating Cheney?

Chances are this is exactly what happened. He offered a sentencing deal, Scooter gave some juicy information, Fitzgerald followed some bread crumbs and found a smoking gun with Cheney's prints on it.
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Epiphany4z (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:18 PM
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9. because he leaked the name
libby trashed the note and lied....the leak law is written so that you have prove intent...its like impossible to get a conviction. Had Libby not lied...it seems nobody would be in court right now.
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:32 PM
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14. Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice prevents Cheney being charged
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 12:33 PM by Kagemusha
by obscuring the evidence that would otherwise be used to charge him with.

Get it?

Edit: That's if Cheney gave instructions to do this. Libby's such a good soldier, he might not have needed to be told.
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hang a left (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:47 PM
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18. Libby is being charged with obstruction
I would hope there will be other charges and other perps brought before the courts before this is all over.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 01:07 PM
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23. This must be the dirt kicked in the umpire's eyes that Fitzgerald referred to
and that has kept him from getting the full story and the real perps.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:09 PM
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4. rec 5
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Homer12 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:10 PM
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5. Did Fitzgerald cut a deal with Rove?
I mean how else was he supposed to find out about the letter. Someone must have sung.
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:45 PM
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17. that may have been how Rove got off, the knowledge of the letter
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 12:45 PM by jsamuel
:shrug:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jan-23-07 12:15 PM
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8. Three words...OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:35 PM
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15. Well now I understand Fitz' whole thing about that.
The obstruction of justice is not the product of perjury. The perjury is the means by which justice was obstructed, and cannot logically exist without the intent to obstruct justice.

Libby's lawyer was apparently arguing that Libby would never have lied because there was no underlying crime.

But obstruction of justice IS the underlying crime. That's the logic contained within "the four corners of the indictment". And a damning indictment it is.
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Burried News (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:18 PM
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10. Opened with ... a shotgun blast to the face.
And here everyone though Dick the Duck was a standup guy.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:19 PM
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11. watch the MSNBC video in the link
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 12:22 PM by DemReadingDU
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16770023


lots of damning evidence about Cheney



edit to add
Prosecutor: Cheney deeply involved in CIA leak
Jan. 23: Prosecutors revealed that Vice President Cheney was much more deeply involved in the leak of CIA agent Valerie Wilson's identity than previously known. Hardball's David Shuster reports.
video is 5 minutes
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 01:37 PM
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26. There is a 2nd video
at the same MSNBC link with Jonathan Alter reporting
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jan-23-07 01:44 PM
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29. oh I love it, lots of damning evidence about Cheney
Cheney thinks he's untouchable, I hope he gets it good.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 01:49 PM
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30. Yeh!
Cheney is an evil person. All this stress, he will probably have a 'heart' problem soon ;)
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:20 PM
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12. sometimes the truth is the most obvious and easiest explanation
Cheney wanted to discredit Wilson so he told Scooter to blow Plames cover. Now Scooter takes the fall for the coverup.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:43 PM
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16. Is there gonna be a Perry Mason moment?
With Fitz pointing his J'accuse finger across the courtroom
as guilt drops crushingly upon mean old man Cheney?

Or will it be more of a Scooby Doo moment?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:50 PM
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19. Heh. Whether Paul Drake storms into the courtroom with vital
evidence or Scooby pulls of the mask, I don't care as long as we see Justice. :rofl:
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IWantAChange (974 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 12:58 PM
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20. An old Nixonite like Cheney directing a cover-up - who woulda thunk it?
this trial is going to be fun ..... :bounce:
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21. WAIT- MSNBC's David Schuster just said that may have been
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 01:00 PM by npincus
an incorrect interpretation of Fitz's figure of speech.... he is not sure at this time.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 01:06 PM
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22. Kick & Nominated
Just watched the MSNBC video - all they talked about was Cheney and his role.
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 01:08 PM
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24. I'm just hoping it was a computer generated note and they searched the Hard Drive
and got a copy of it...PROOF.
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DrunkenMaster (582 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-23-07 01:09 PM
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25. Tricky Dick Redux!
Ya can't burn a harddrive, Dickster! We're coming to get yer lying, sorry ass.
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27. k&r
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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28. oh boy, this is something, Fitz is not going to stop.
I would love to see both Cheney and Rove be implicated in this.
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33. if fitzgerald is using the ryan trial as a blueprint
there will be grounds for impeachment far greater than nixons shoplifting and cover-up charge.
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34. WOW@
the shit keeps getting stacked on these crooks. destroying documents!!!??? esp. one exposing the crooked penguin?? wow... this is great for democracy, I hope more occurs from this!



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