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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:14 PM
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Cheney Part 3 is up
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/cheney/chapters/a_strong_push_from_back_stage/index.html

Air Force Two touched down at the Greenbrier Valley Airport in West Virginia on Feb. 6, 2003, carrying Vice President Cheney to the annual retreat of Republican House and Senate leaders. He had come to sell them on the economic centerpiece of President Bush's first term: a $674 billion tax cut.

Cheney had spent months making sure the package contained everything he wanted. One thing was missing.

The president had accepted Cheney's diagnosis that the sluggish economy needed a jolt, overruling senior economic advisers who forecast dangerous budget deficits. But Bush rejected one of Cheney's remedies: deep reductions in the capital gains tax on investments.

The vice president "was just hot on that," said Cesar Conda, then Cheney's domestic policy adviser. "It goes to show you: He wins and he loses, and he lost on that one."

Not for long.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:34 PM
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1. Private Dick: Evil SOB
<snip>

When the FBI seized files from the office of Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.) as part of a bribery investigation, House Republican leaders erupted. With a number of their own members under investigation for other matters, they charged that the search violated the Constitution. They demanded the return of the files.

Cheney quickly gravitated toward the House's position, aides said, but Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales; his top deputy, Paul J. McNulty; and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III threatened to resign if forced to hand over evidence they believed had been properly collected under a warrant.

White House Chief of Staff Joshua B. Bolten called a meeting on May 25, 2006, to resolve the political and legal crisis. The president's lawyers and congressional liaison were in the room, and so was Cheney. Once again, it was the vice president who came up with a solution, according to a participant. Cheney's plan met his goal of keeping the files from federal investigators. The files would be placed under seal for 45 days. Within hours of the meeting, Bush made Cheney's recommendation official. As often happens in government, delay was decisive. Jefferson was indicted earlier this month on 16 counts of bribery, racketeering, fraud, money laundering and obstruction of justice. But nearly half of the files remain off-limits, tied up in legal disputes.

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So Private Dick used the Wm. Jefferson scandal to further his own ends of privacy and secrecy.

I really despise this bastard.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:37 PM
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2. This is the passage that struck me as pertinant...
"When the space shuttle Columbia disintegrated over Texas on Feb. 1, 2003, for example, Bush was consumed with concern for the families of the seven dead astronauts. That left Cheney to make the first critical decisions about the future of manned spaceflight."

It seems to me that the roles are totally reversed in this dyad.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 11:30 PM
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6. Yeah, and in the Chinese plane incident
Junior worried whether the detained Americans had bibles. Dickie probably did the negotiating.

(snip)

Bush, we are told by anonymous officials, was on the phone with his military attaché in China and "peppered" him with questions about the crew. According to the article, his questions included: "How's their health? . . . Are they staying in the equivalent of officers' quarters? . . . Are they getting any exercise?" These are fair questions -- the sort that a beginning journalism student might think to ask in a classroom exercise -- but not in themselves evidence that Bush was vigorously or even semi-vigorously engaged in the crisis. They only indicate a certain degree of alertness.

Then came the Bibles. According to anonymous White House officials quoted in the article, Bush, a devout Christian, asked the attaché if the captives had their own copies of the Good Book. (An April 13 Reuters piece amplified on the Bible question. It quoted Bush aide Karen Hughes: "He's very curious, and so he asked a lot of questions . . . . He asked some detailed questions. Several times he asked do the members of the crew have Bibles. Why don't they have Bibles? Can we get them Bibles? Would they like Bibles?") Assuming the sources are accurate, it is probably fair to say that Bush displayed vigorous engagement on the Good Book front. But since the crew's release was the paramount issue, Bush's Bible queries cannot be said to show he was vigorously engaged across the board.

more…
http://backissues.cjrarchives.org/year/01/3/hanson.asp
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:18 AM
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13. DEAR Commander AWOL: Thou Shalt not bear false witness
Free clue: that means you should not lie to the American people

Get with the program or you will roast in Hell for eternity

Where are the wMD? Over 3,000 dead American soliders and their families would like you to recant that deliberate lie, for starters
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 01:05 AM
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11. Regarding the 'reversal of roles' that sticks out like a sore thumb
I posted some info earlier on a related thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1178793&mesg_id=1179603

I think it all belongs here, too, for some interesting context on the Cheney/Bush duo.

... Read the excerpt here for context:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1171716&mesg_id=1171909

Here's a bit more on that subject that I thought relevant to your post. Makes one wonder whether the past 7 years have been nothing more than an elaborate twist on the COG plans Cheney and Rumsfeld participated in, with Bush as nothing more than one of these faux American "presidents":


This was not some abstract textbook plan but was practiced in concrete, thorough and elaborate detail. The Reagan administration assigned personnel to three teams, each named for a color, such as red and blue. Each team included an experienced leader, who could operate as a new White House chief of staff. The obvious candidates were people who had already served at a high level in the executive branch, preferable with experience in the national security apparatus. This was where Cheney and Rumsfeld came in since they had previously served as White House chief of staff in the Ford administration. Besides Cheney and Rumsfeld, who were regulars, other team leaders over the years included James Woolsey, later the director of Central Intelligence, and Kenneth Duberstein, who worked for a time as Reagan's real-life White House chief of staff.

Each time a team left Washington, it brought along a single member of Reagan's cabinet, who was designated to serve as the next American "president." Some of these cabinet members had little experience in national security; at various times, for example, the participants in the secret exercises included Reagan's first secretary of agriculture, John Block, and commerce secretary Malcolm Baldrige. What counted was not experience in foreign policy, but simply that the cabinet member was available to fly out of Washington with the team. It seems fair to conclude that some of these American "presidents" would have served as mere figureheads for their more experienced chiefs of staff, such as Cheney and Rumsfeld. Still, cabinet members were the ones who would issue orders (or in whose name the orders would be issued).

Rise of the Vulcans, James Mann, pp. 140-141



Reagan established his continuity of government program under a secret executive order. According to Robert McFarlane, who served for a time as Reagan's national security advisor, the president himself made the final decisions on who would head each of the special teams, such as Cheney and Rumsfeld. Within Reagan's National Security Council, the "action officer" for the secret program was Oliver North, later the central figure in the Iran-contra scandal. Vice President George H. W. Bush was given authority to supervise some of these efforts, which were run by a new government agency with the bland name of the National Program Office. It had its own building in the Washington area, run by a two-star general, and a secret budget adding up to hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Much of the money was used to buy advanced communications equipment that would enable the new teams to have secure conversations with American military commanders. In fact, the few details that came to light about the secret program were the result of allegations of waste and abuses in awarding these communications contracts to private companies and of the malfunctioning of equipment.

The exercises were usually timed to take place during a congressional recess, so that Cheney, one of the three team leaders, would miss as little work on Capitol Hill as possible. Although Cheney, Rumsfeld and the other team leaders took part in each exercise, the Reagan cabinet members playing the new "president" changed, depending on which cabinet official was free at a particular time. Once Attorney Ed Meese participated in an exercise that departed from Andrews Air Force Base in the predawn hours of Wednesday, June 18, 1986 ...

In addition to the designated White House chief of staff and his "president," each team would include representatives of the State and Defense Departments and the Central Intelligence Agency, as well as various domestic policy agencies. The idea was to practice running the entire federal government during a nuclear war. ...

~snip~

When George H. W. Bush was elected president in 1988, members of the secret Reagan program rejoiced, because the senior Bush had been closely involved with the effort from the start, wouldn't have to be initiated into the intricacies of the program and probably wouldn't reevaluate it. In fact, despite the dramatically improved climate in relations with Moscow, Bush continued these continuity of government exercises, with some minor modifications. Cheney dropped out as team leader after he was appointed secretary of defense. And after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet collapse, the justification and underlying premise for the exercise changed. A Soviet nuclear attack was no longer plausible, but the exercise continued with a different nightmare scenario: What if terrorists carrying nuclear weapons attacked the United States and killed the president and vice president? Finally, during the Clinton administration, it was decided that this scenario too seemed farfetched, so officials decided to abandon the program as an outdated legacy of the cold war. There was, it seemed, no longer any enemy in the world capable of attacking Washington and "decapitating" America's leadership.

There things stood until September 11, 2001, when the George W. Bush administration was jolted into reexamining the confident assumption of safety that had held sway when the program was phased out. Cheney and Rumsfeld were familiar with the Armageddon exercises of the Reagan era. They themselves practiced the old drills...

Rise of the Vulcans, James Mann, pp. 142-144


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:41 PM
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3. I've wanted Cheney in prison since the 80's
long time to wait...

Course I want everyone involved in Iran-Contra and the cover-up to rot in prison...still do. Always will.

Maybe...I won't hold my breath...but maybe









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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:53 PM
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4. It's official: Cheney is running this government.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 11:09 PM
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5. The reality is worse than that
According to the series Cheney is only very influential and a hovering presense every where. But it's actually Bush running things.

Think about that for a second.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:42 AM
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15. With impunity..
that's the scary part, he's just set up some extraneous constitutional position that answers to no one.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 11:56 PM
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7. thanks. n/t
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 11:57 PM
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8. I'm beginning to wonder if Cheney will ever leave
Come January, 2009, he may say that since he's never been a part of the executive branch, his term as Vice President doesn't expire and that he's a special branch of government with a lifetime term of office. Of course I'm being stupidly paranoid, but with an evil presence like Cheney lurking somewhere deep in our government, I tend to think there's always another major outrage yet to come. He may just seal himself in his bunker and order the remaining Panzer regiments to make their final defense of the Fatherland.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 03:55 AM
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12. Here's a peep into the future:
Tomorrow's news: Dick Cheney gains ten pounds and declares himself the 51st state in the country. The new state is now called, New Cheneyton.

Next week's news: New Cheneyton, the just newly added state in the nation, secedes from the union, citing irreconcilable differences with the U.S. Constitution. Dick Cheney declared himself the first president of New Cheneyton and stated that the U.S. Constitution interfered with his inalienable rights to own everything in sight. The Democratic Congress sent their apologies, and one billion dollars in aid to the newly formed nation.

News two weeks from now: American children continue to fail the grade in standardized tests. For example, when asked, few if any children are able to point out New Cheneyton on the map. In fact, more children are hyperventilating and puking during the test since the question was added to the exam. Fighting back tears, Joseph Nettle, a third grader from Phoenix Arizona said that the tests are culturally biased. He said that he knew that New Cheneyton's main export is oil, but that when he was asked to draw the boundaries of the new country, it was impossible because, "It's an oily bugger that keeps changing shape," he said, "I just know it has a black heartland and it hides in a undisclosed chamber, but nobody really knows where."
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 12:00 AM
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9. Still reading through part two but K&R
This is kickworthy-er than some hyperpartisan-cheerleading thread. :kick: he's a baaaad man.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 12:46 AM
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10. Here's something we didn't know about the Wednesday Night Ambush:
Cheney fashioned a controversial truce between the legislative and executive branches -- and averted resignations at the top of the Justice Department and the FBI -- over the right of law enforcement authorities to investigate political corruption in Congress.


We heard about Comey only wanting to be at the White House if Ted Olson was present, and * insisting on talking without Olson present when he met with Mueller, and plenty of other minutiae.

But we didn't know, until now, that Soylent Cheney had a hand in this.



:thumbsup:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:19 AM
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14. Is there archive of these articles?
I can't seem to get time to read anything these day. Maybe I could catch up on them this weekend.
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