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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 11:58 AM
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Federal Employees Salary Database
Uncle Sam has some of the best paying jobs going around now, and the South Jersey Courier Post has put them all online in a searchable database. See how many people in your county are making the big bucks here

http://cpoc.sjcourierpost.com/datauniverse/feds06.html

If you click on "Base Salary" you can sort from high to low
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:10 PM
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1. kick
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:17 PM
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2. Its not a complete list.
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 12:21 PM by VTMechEngr
And please don't tell me you are one of these "lets cut their pay" people. Federal Employees are almost entirely white collar professionals and many have been in the Civil Service for over 15 years. Just because the Corporations treat people as commodities doesn't mean that the Government should follow suit.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:25 PM
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5. Millions and millions of contractor employees are omitted.
For example, there are hundreds of thousands of de facto employees of the Department of Energy who are 100% involved in doing DoE functions but who, for the purposes of denying them civil service protections and federal employee benefits, are de jure employees of whichever federal contractor gets the cost-plus M&O (Management and Operations) contract for the particular operation bundled for such purposes. It should be noted that the taxpayers save NOTHING by denying the protections and benefits to the employess, since the privateering itself includes cost overheads that more than exceed the alleged savings.

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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:33 PM
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7. The legacy of the Republican movement.
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 12:37 PM by VTMechEngr
They hate federal employees, and have constantly pushed outsourcing down the Civil Services throats. And the political appointees who run the departments pursue it with glee.

Meanwhile, the career employees (who are apolitical in job performance) must struggle on.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:36 PM
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15. Outsourcing started back in the 50s and has been supported heavily by both parties for years
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 03:39 PM
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20. The Department of Energy, founded in 1977, is out-sourcing on steroids.
It's over 95% contractor 'employees' iirc.

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:35 PM
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8. Excellent point
Kicking your post, if nothing else.
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Crowdance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:20 PM
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3. Wow. Comparison of local average salaries and the federal salaries is mind blowing

In a bunch of states, federal employees earn, on average, $26k more than those in the private sector. In no state does the private sector pay more on average than the fed.

http://php.app.com/feds06/avgsal.php
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:24 PM
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4. Apples and oranges
The problem is your comparing White collar jobs to all jobs, Walmart and Corporate alike. That is not a true comparison. If you compared the professional salaries in the private sector to the professional salaries in the federal sector, you'd find the private is much higher.
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Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:42 PM
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9. Not a the private company where I work
Obviously, it's impossible to completely compare 'apples to apples', but I can come close. I work for a large insurance company that posts the salary range for all positions. The salaries listed for federal employees the Insurance Corp. are far higher than in the private sector in my county. My current salary is middle of the road at my company, yet it would lower than 80+% of the federal salaries listed. (And yes, I'm quite sure that my education and experience is on par with the federal employees.)

Maybe it depends on where you live, but those salaries are very high for Ohio.
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:51 PM
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11. Here are the pay scales from OPM.
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 12:55 PM by VTMechEngr
http://www.opm.gov/oca/07tables/indexGS.asp

Open up your locality and see what a GS 9 - 12 pays. That is the working level in most places. GS 13 and up is management. Many people have been in for 15+ years and are near the step 7 and so on.
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Crowdance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:47 PM
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10. Well, I'm not doing the comparing, the APS is.
In any case, most federal employees with whom I've come in contact are not professional. They are blue, pink and white collar, much like the people in my neighborhood. I'd be interested to see data that belies my own experience.
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:35 PM
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13. The wage grades are almost nonexistant these days.
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 02:39 PM by VTMechEngr
They have been outsourced. If someone is a "GS", they are part of the white collar workforce.

Also, notice how all the Private sector numbers on that chart seem to correspond so nicely to the Median Household incomes of states...


http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income05/statemhi...

Makes one wonder.

Or not. I have followed this debate for years, and this is a tired old Libertarian argument to cut the pay of federal employees so they will quit and the government can be outsourced. It was based on Bullshit, and still is. Do a google search - This crap has been on rightwing rag sites since the early 1990s.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:26 PM
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6. Interesting site - also interesting for what is not there...
The Department of Defense, understandably so.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:37 PM
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16. DoD GS scales are the same as other branches
NSPS won't change that particularly
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:14 AM
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18. I wasn't thinking of pays scales in DoD's case, but security issues.
I imagine that's why that particular dataset is missing here.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 09:53 AM
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19. DoD personel makeup as to grade, race etc is on the web
I've found it before...
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 01:56 PM
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12. Since I knew someone in
upper management of SSA I looked at it. No wonder he quit and went to another place after 20 plus years. He is making 3 times in the private sector at starting pay as he was at SSA after 20 years for a comparable job.


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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:32 PM
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14. Some positions for the Federal government should be paid above average
Another issue to remember is that they try to keep things equal regardless of location. One position that I am thinking of is USDA inspectors. According to some people in private industry, the quality of USDA inspectors is suffering in some parts of the country because they do not pay competitively compared to private industry.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:09 PM
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17. Wow I am stunned. I looked up my brother in law.
He is making just 2k less then me and I've been promoted twice and in the industry for 4 years longer then him. In fact it looks like he was actually kicking my ass in 2006 until I scratched and clawed my way to promotion.

Wow... I'm stunned, sure puts it in prospective when he bitched about money.
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