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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:46 PM Original message |
A zygote is not a human being. This stem cell veto has me fuming |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. And what's worse |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. He condemned them to be destroyed. |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well said! |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I'd say it started during the campaign of 1980 |
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Caoimhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's obvious that Bush doesn't care about life |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's not all about religion, that embryo will become a person if given the right conditions. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
74. MAY become a person... |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. Even though I agree with you, |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
6. you were a zygote once. nt |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I was a sperm and an egg cell once, too |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You are still just a collection of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen atoms... |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Ridiculous |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. A zygote is human, it is not conscious... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. No... A Zygote Is A Fertilized Egg... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. It has human DNA. It is a human zygote. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Unfortunately this subject is full of semantic land mines |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I know. It's so hard sometimes. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. our bodies shed DNA 24/7 and don;t see it as significant. Logically, that's no BFD. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Oh no, I'm just trying to point out that in an absolute factual sense... |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. "I know why"... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Actually, I'm an agnostic. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. But I wasn't a frozen zygote in a tube destined to be tossed into |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Actually, even though I'm anti-abortion, I'm for stem cell research... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. I am pro-choice, but i respect anti-abortion views as well... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. The problem is life and being have been conflated |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Actually, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that's all you are. Flesh and blood... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Never said anything about spirits |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Very true, but you will prevent the zygote from developing into a body capable of having a mind... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Potential beings are not actual beings |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Are babies people in your opinion? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Somewhere around the third trimester |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. Tell the Fundies: the Bible says that an unborn child is -not- valued as a "human life". |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
12. There was the story in the Bible |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
51. You are talking about Onan, who masturbated and was ... |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Knew a guy who named his parakeet Onan cuz he kept spilling his seed. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. ROFLMAO...that's great! |
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B3Nut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
66. Actually, to be nitpicky, |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Ah yes, and there has been serious discussion as to this... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
17. I'm Not a Religious Person, Yet I Still Tremble at the Direction This Is Taking |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I'm willing to bet both sides are just doing this for profits. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
24. There are tens of thousands of babies up for adoption... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. It is not impossible to be against all killing of humans. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. This is fine IMO...however, it is the religious right that is most |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
27. There Is So Much Logically Wrong Within The OP. There Really Is. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. It's up to us. We have a solemn duty to try and do what we can. It sucks big time... |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Logic has nothing to do with it |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. You couldn't speak any more truly than that. LOL! |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
31. If its moving - its alive and has a right to live. As the Buddhist's say - "harm |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. but is georgie sentient? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. No apostrophe in "Buddhists" |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
35. Knowing how the Neoconartists operate ... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. That's exactly it, they are all in it for some type of profit/power motive. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
37. You're mad? I've been reduced to watching reruns of the Three Stooges! |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
43. If not a human, what else might it develop into? (nt) |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Maybe it's a superposition of human and non-human. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. This is a temporal problem |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #43 |
69. Biohazardous waste, then ash. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #43 |
71. Most of them won't develop into anything |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. OK if permitted to develop, what will it develop into? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
49. Maybe to you it's not, but actually, it really is |
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Ellen Forradalom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
50. What flabbergasted me was the warmonger's rationalization |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I am not advocating harm on bush, but things have a way of ... |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Me too! "We have to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis to accomplish our goals, but |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. He'd rather have them incinerated than used for good. That also is flabbergasting. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
57. Right there with ya |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. On the other hand, if we use your reasoning we ought to start investigating natural deaths... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. We bury ALL dead PEOPLE |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. I agree, I don't really give a shit about them, you're right and I even support embryonic... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
59. The thing that is irritating is if you actually read the bible |
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RogueSpirit (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
63. Question about this veto and funding |
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ordinaryaveragegirl (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
64. I'll bet that in about 18 months, we wont have any more worries... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
65. Zygotes: human. Iraqis: objects to be killed. The Bush base never ceases to amaze me. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
68. George loved me as a blastocyst. Now that I've taken insulin for 40 years and |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
72. They're being flushed down the drain anyway. |
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Dragonbreathp9d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
73. "I have decided to issue a signing statement outlawing masturbation and minstration" |
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