On PBS tonight Frontline: Endgame

[undeterred]

Documentary/News/Other
English, Letterbox, 2007

9PM CST in WI

An examination of the reasons for the current situation in Iraq, including failure to plan for an insurgency; the "light footprint" strategy pushed by then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld; and the 2005 Iraqi election, which the Sunnis boycotted.

Included: comments from Gen. Jack Keane (USA Ret.); State Department Counselor Phillip D. Zelikow; and reporters.

[TahitiNut]

1. "graphic and violent imagery - viewer discretion advised"

Well ... that means they didn't sanitize it too much. Good.

[undeterred]

7. Actually, it looked pretty sanitized compared to the pictures of Fallujah

I've seen on the Internet.

[TahitiNut]

9. Yep ... and NOTHING compared to the real thing.

:shrug:

[many a good man]

2. Worthwhile watching

Might give you a different impression of the inside game in the Pentagon. Kean is pretty blunt and honest. He promotes the surge, knowing full well it is far too little far too late.

Says Rumsfeld's strategy was "light footprint" and Dems were wrong seeking his ouster because he shared their strategy. New leadership pushing hopeless surge. It's all utterly hopeless.

[Up2Late]

3. Just started in Atlanta too (10:00pm rule)

I missed the first 5 minutes, but looks good so far.

[undeterred]

4. Its history, already..

History of a total military disaster.

[TahitiNut]

5. The technical military term is "clusterfuck."

You heard it here 124,644th. :dunce:

[BeHereNow]

13. Dont' forget to include...

FUBAR.
BHN

[alarimer]

6. So many people repeating the lie that we could nothave forseen the insurgency

Total bullshit! I remember reading a lot of op-eds forseeing the exact scenario. How did it manage to escape these military geniuses that it was Saddam keeping then lid and by removing the lid, you cause all hell to break lose. What I want to know is why did all these idiots get promoted past private.

[WilliamPitt]

"why did all these idiots get promoted past private"

They were chosen because of their party loyalty and their ideological purity. What, you think having generals who know how to fight and stuff is more important than their yes-man skills? Sheesh.

:sarcasm:

[undeterred]

8. We had no business ever being in there

and I can't believe any of these people are still defending it. They've seen how wrong it went, and how high the cost is in every way. They should know better. What the hell do they gain by defending a lost cause at this late date?

[LeftHander]

10. No mention of the driving force in Iraq War Strategy...

PROFIT

[Up2Late]

11. I believe they covered that in on of the other FIFTEEN (15) FRONTLINE's on the Iraq War.

I think "Private Warriors" (Jun. 21, 2005) did the most on that part of the story,

<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/>

<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/view/>

But there have been 15 other FRONTLINE's on the Iraq War, something like 20 if you include the Afghanistan/bin Laden shows too.

Add the Short subject (FRONTLINE/World) films listed below, and you have

<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/programs/>


Gunning for Saddam

The War Behind Closed Doors

The Long Road to War: A FRONTLINE Special Report

Blair's War

Truth, War, and Consequences

Chasing Saddam's Weapons

Beyond Baghdad

The Invasion of Iraq

A Company of Soldiers

The Soldier's Heart

Private Warriors (Jun. 21, 2005) :hi:

The Insurgency

Return of the Taliban (to Afghanistan)

The Lost Year in Iraq

Gangs of Iraq

Endgame

<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/programs/>

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
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FRONTLINE/World <http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/>

<http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/r4.html>

September 2002

Iraq: Truth and Lies in Baghdad
A reporter's journey inside Saddam's regime

May 2003

Iraq: The Road to Kirkuk
After Saddam's terror can Kurds and Arabs live together?

January 2005

Iraq: Reporting the War <http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/iraq401/> (This one is a must see!):hi:
Trying to cover the world's most dangerous place

June 2005

ROUGHCUT

Return to Kirkuk
A Kurdish exile's journey home

January 2006

Iraq: Saddam's Road to Hell
A journey into the killing fields

August 2006

ROUGHCUT

Iraq: The Fight Over Kirkuk's Oil
Who will control the region's most valuable asset?

September 2006

ROUGHCUT

Vacation From War
Life on base in the Persian Gulf

December 2006

ROUGHCUT

Iraq: Law and Disorder
On patrol with Kirkuk's police chief

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/r4.html

[L. Coyote]

12. Last episode of long series. All available online. Fronline has numerous shows online

[undeterred]

14. thanks- this is the only one I have seen