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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:50 AM
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OH PLEEEEZZZEEE!!!! La Crosse player crying!!!!!!!
He had to turn himself in for something he didn't do! WELCOME TO AMERIKKA! Doesn't he know that people in this country go to jail, go to prison EVERYDAY for things they didn't do? Where the Hell has he been? On another planet? He is sooooo lucky that he is rich. He got lawyers, he got FAUX News to make his case. He could have been that little black kid in Georgia, who went to jail when he was seventeen for having consenual sex with a girl 15. That guy IS STILL IN PRISON!

It's just soooo hard to feel sorry for the rich kids. I try but it's just to damn infuriating.

The United States of Amerikka has more people behind bars, per capita, then any country on earth. Maybe when he is done FEELING SORRY FOR HIMSELF, he can help us get the 250,000 or so people who SHOULDN'T BE THERE OUT. But he better check his parent,s stock portfolio first because PRISON IS BIG BUSINESS!

Have a nice capitalist pig day!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:51 AM
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1. you're such a sweet thing . sounds like capitalist envy nt
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 08:51 AM by msongs
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:52 AM
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3. There not even capitalists anymore. They're cartels!
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:51 AM
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2. Is it capitalist pig day already?
Damn the years do fly by, don't they?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:54 AM
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7. Everything goes in cycles. We're coming around full circle..
I never thought I'd see the day.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:56 AM
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10. You never saw the day when a white person falsely accused would be freed?
Yeah i guess it is hard to imagine that.

Bryant
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:00 AM
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23. Oh, shit. You're right! Happy Capitalist Pig Day, everyone!
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:02 AM
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28. I missed the parade?
Shite!

I always love the part with the guys on little gold motorcycles with diamond-studded fezes. Guess I'll have to catch it next capitalist pig day.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:05 AM
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36. This is the parade.
Sorry, but it's the best we can do on a socialist budget.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:53 AM
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4. So... are you watching television? Is this a flashback to Duke? Still Duke?
:wtf:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:11 AM
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54. Nifong (Duke Prosecutor) trial live on CourtTV now. n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #54
65. Thank you.
Hard to believe that the author of the opening post actually is siding with Nifong.

Unreal.

I guess justice is meaningless to her.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:23 AM
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100. The OP must have missed the meme from the accused after the
charges were dropped.....advocating for the unfairness of the system for the poor and the minorities if this can happen to them. I believe all of Nifong's cases are under review now, and disbarring him should be a no-brainer.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:53 AM
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5. This Is One Of The Most Misguided And Disgusting Posts I've Seen Here. Fucking Pathetic.
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 08:55 AM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
I hope you're proud. What absolute utter nonsense. What is friggin wrong with you?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:56 AM
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11. The police state is wrong with me. Why this case?
If the MSM wants to highlight wants wrong with the system. THIS CASE, actually proves the system works. They should find another one!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 AM
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16. See post 18--and take a few breaths, okay?
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:05 AM
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35. Totally misguided...
How, in any way, does this particular case show that the system works? Because the DA went after people without enough evidence?

The only thing that it proves is that if the DA is hell bent on going after an innocent defendant, for whatever reason, the only way you can properly defend yourself is if you have the money to do so. If you don't (which most wrongly accussed defendants who are convicted), then you are shit out of luck. How is that in any way fair?

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:06 AM
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38. There is NO Excuse For The Ignorantly Biased Premise Shown In The OP. None.
It is quite simply nothing short of shameful and an attitude that should be condemned by all liberal, or anyone period for that matter.

And no, this case proved how FLAWED the system still is, and how cold, selfish, vindictive and evil some people can still be by filing false charges. This woman should be in prison.

Excuse your behavior and tone all you want. But in the end, you should be ashamed of it, not proud.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #11
82. You are a VERY sick individual
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:53 AM
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6. Let me guess---
you're stone cold broke and your lashing out cause you can't afford a jar of Peanut butter.....

Poor Baby!

BTW: That rich lacrosse kid was innocent.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:55 AM
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8. Ick - what's wrong with you? n/t
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 08:56 AM by Psephos
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:55 AM
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9. I don't feel the least bit sorry for those kids
If they hadn't been dumb enough to hire a stripper in the first place, they wouldn't have been in the pickle they found themselves in.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:58 AM
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14. Thanx! It's not like they were arrested for NOTHING!
She falsely accused them. What was the DA suppose to do. IGNORE IT?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 AM
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20. With the evidence he had, he should have tabled for more investigation. nt
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 AM
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21. The DA is facing his own ethics charges for mishandling the case.
The DA is supposed to act responsibly.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:03 AM
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32. The DA is getting crucified and you know what really cracks me up!
The accusation that this DA was using this case to get re-elected. HAHAHA! I thought they all did that. Tough on crime politians always get re-elected. That's why we have more people in jail then any country on earth. But this is different..

:rofl:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:04 AM
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34. He should be crucified. Too bad you think ethics is such a laughing matter. NT
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:06 AM
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37. WTF is it different? The DA is getting precisely what he deserves and his political career is
rightfully ruined.

Again, I think you need some slow breathing.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:16 AM
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73. He was using this case to get re-elected
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 09:18 AM by Mike Daniels
How better to endear yourself to the Durham voters than pressing charges against a bunch of upper class white men from Duke who were accused of raping a minority-race stripper.

The whole case was loaded with racial elements which is why Nifong focused so heavily on it while he was running his campaign.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:07 AM
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43. I agree
I just don't feel sorry for these kids. Besides, Daddy's money came in handy for them.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:10 AM
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46. I don't see what his father's money has to do with being falsely charged and
inappropriately prosecuted. I don't see why that would prevent a decent person from having some sympathy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #46
74. Would they have got off without Daddy's money?
I doubt it.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:19 AM
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81. Getting off does not change the fact that they were victims of false charges and misconduct.
If you can't muster some sympathy for the victims of false charges and prosecutorial misconduct, there's something wrong with you.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #14
106. WTF is wrong with you?????????????????????
Seek help... no really, seek some fucking therapy.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 AM
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15. Sounds Like "Well Look How She Was Dressed" In A Rape Caase
I doubt you would say such a thing about a rape victim. I don't get why they hired a stripper (well, i don't get the attraction of porn and gentlemen's clubs either), but it was legal and they didn't commit a crime.

Seems like your blaming the victim here.
GAC
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:10 AM
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48. They weren't raped
And they got off.

Sure it's legal to hire a stripper. That doesn't mean I have to agree it is appropriate for kids that age.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:12 AM
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55. They were victims of prosecutorial misconduct.
That you think they somehow deserved that for hiring a stripper points to some defect in you. Not them.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #55
79. I have a defect because I don't feel sorry for kids who hired a stripper??
OHHH KAY :eyes:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #79
88. No, you have a defect because you can't feel sorry for someone falsely accused and charged
of a serious crime, whether they hired a stripper or not.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #88
102. Actually I don't have a defect; I have a different opinion than you
Do you always use personal attacks when you discuss issues?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #102
105. It's not just you - ANYONE who has no sympathy for the falsely accused has a
personal defect.
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:30 AM
Original message
Anyone who can't muster up empathy for people they perceive as
different from themselves has a serious fucking defect. This is a damn ugly thread.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:31 AM
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117. It's like some DUers are channelling Bill O'Reilly.
:puke:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:14 AM
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62. I'm Agreeing With You
I didn't say they were raped! You misread that on purpose. I said you're blaming the victim like folks who say "look how she was dressed" in a rape case.

And i made it clear that i don't think they should have hired a stripper either. Geez.
GAC
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #62
84. How do you know I misread it on purpose?
Are you a mind reader? Sheesh. Read the other replies I am getting. My opinion is certainly not very popular on this subject.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:21 AM
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90. Since they were in college most of them were probably 18 (old enough to drink, vote, etc)
At what age would you suggest it be appropriate to hire a stripper?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:21 AM
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93. Absolutely Correct. This Premise Is As Ignorant And Shameful As That One. There's No Difference.
It boggles my mind how some people can express such ignorant and hateful logic. It's pathetic.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #9
17. Hiring a stripper leads to false prosecution? Stop blaming the victim.
It's sick.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:12 AM
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58. What victim?
The poor little rich boys? Sorry. No way. They have emerged as winners here. Why should anyone feel sorry for them?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:14 AM
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63. They were the victims of prosecutorial misconduct.
The fact that they escaped the worst possible outcome doesn't mean they were not victims.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:15 AM
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68. Utterly Ridiculous
They were victimized by a system run amok, despite the fact that no crime even occurred. They haven't emerged as winners beyond the fact that they WON their freedom since they didn't do anything.
GAC
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #68
89. And they got off and will continue on with their lives and no harm done
What is there to feel sorry for?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #89
103. The harm was already done. I don't know whatt sort of sadist thinks being falsely
accused and then falsely prosecuted for a serious crime is not a BAD thing.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:00 AM
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24. Ridiculous
College kids hired a stripper. Oh the moral depravity! I bet some of the kids at that party weren't even 21 and were committing such terrible moral and legal crimes as drinking beer and maybe *gasp* smoking some weed.

OH THE HUMANITY!

Get a grip, male college students like boobs. When I was in college, I spent a good percentage of my time chasing tail. This is nothing new and, IMO, nothing that isn't perfectly normal.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #24
41. Horny college boys?
That has NEVER happened.LOL!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:14 AM
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64. I used to work with strippers and never met one I would trust
These kids were playing with fire and they got burnt. How sad. :sarcasm:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:08 AM
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44. Hiring a stripper is legal. Oops!
No one gives a shit if you feel sorry for them or not. Thank God the justice system finally played out in their favor.

Christ. The crap that passes for "liberal" these days.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #44
69. So is prostitution in Nevada
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #69
87. REALLY? Did you have to use Google to dredge that up?
What is your point?

(If I were you, I'd bail on this thread. The person you're supporting has screwed herself into the ground and is left with nothing but pure hysteria. If you have the bizarre desire to follow along with some strange "Anyone who uses questionable judgment deserves to be falsely accused", please do. I'd love to educate you on this case, but you won't enjoy it.)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #87
94. I am not supporting anyone in this case
I think they all screwed up.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #9
51. If the stripper hadn't been a nut job she probably wouldn't have brought charges to begin with
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 09:11 AM by Mike Daniels
How about blaming the person most responsible for starting this whole mess?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:16 AM
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72. I don't think much of her either.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:16 AM
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70. Wow. That is as screwed up as the OP.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #9
86. Sorry To Hear That. Any Decent Rational Person Should Feel Sorry For Them.
For someone proud to be a liberal, you ain't exactly putting forth our best side.

And I know you'll attack me and respond back with something snarky and ridiculous, but I really don't care. The fact is, your lack of empathy for someone being falsely accused in such horrible ways, is something that should absolutely be condemned. So I'm in the right here. Feel free to attack with as much vitriol as you'd like.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #9
99. You are a very sick individual
You sound like a freeper blaming a woman in a short skirt in a bar for being raped. "Well she was stupid enough to be there and she dressed like a slut...."
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #9
110. How many other LEGAL activities should they avoid...
to avoid being pickled? :eyes:
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:57 AM
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12. How is it his fault this his family is rich?
Bashing the child of a rich family for being rich, something he had no responsibility in doing, is sort of...well, stupid.

I feel quite a bit of sympahty for these threee dudes, rich or not. They were the victims of an over-eager prosecutor. Because I work in the court system, I know just how bad that can be.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. Do you really think this would be on TV if he wasn't rich?
:rofl:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #18
26. So, we simply randomly accuse and jail innocent rich people? Bullshit.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:03 AM
Original message
It's possible
Shit like this happens all the time. Prosecutors eager to make a name for themselves go after someone - especially if they think it will become a high publicity case - who may be perfectly innocent all the time.

The fact that this case made national headlines and TV doesn't makes no difference to me. I'm glad that it stopped an injustice from happening. Doesn't matter to me the color of or wealth of the victimes. Injustice is injustice.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #18
33. How does that make prosecutorial misconduct any less serious?
Because it's on TV?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #33
75. Exactly--if this guy's not going to get justice, that kid who's accused
of robbing the 7-11 to feed a habit hasn't got a prayer. Which he doesn't anyway, but she's not helping his case one bit with this.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #12
31. I have a small bit of sympathy for them, nothing more.
I have zero sympathy for the right-wing thugs who've devoted untold hours whining about the players' plight.

And I don't really have a problem with the OP, although it's inartfully written. I too been thoroughly disgusted with the disproportionate attention this case has received.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #31
59. Define Disproportionate
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 09:12 AM by ProfessorGAC
This case is about prosecutorial misconduct and a system run amok. You don't think that's the sort of thing the media should be blasting away at?
The Professor
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:57 AM
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13. If the most fortunate among us are not entitled to justice, the least fortunate
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 08:58 AM by blondeatlast
are doomed indeed.



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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #13
22. So be it. if we're going to live in a police state, we'll ALL suffer!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #22
29. So be it? With an attitude like yours, we are doomed to that police state.
You scare me, actually.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #22
30. Fucking clueless. No one is suggesting a police state.
Ever consider "justice for all" as a possibility?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #30
42. We must not be living in the same country....
What part of "thousand of people in prison for things they didn't do" don't you understand.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. How do you go from that to one kid, put throught the rigors of the justice
system by a power-hungry, downright evil DA?

Breathe. Please. And keep the sharp objects away from yourself.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:10 AM
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49. I understand all of it.
How the hell do you justify throwing yet another innocent person in jail simply because you don't like some aspect about them? It makes you every bit as despicable as the pigs.

:puke:
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:28 AM
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111. Seriously get some help
You have some serious mental issues. You come across as some champion for the innocently imprisoned, but if the kids family has money youwant to see them strung up regardless of their innocence.

People like you make me want to vomit.

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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #22
40. How does this one case
in ANY way lead you to believe we live in a police state? Can you connect those dots for me in a coherent way?
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:59 AM
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19. Uh..I'd be crying too if I had been put through what he has.
Capitolist pig? Bullshit.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:01 AM
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25. What are the last 3 things you cried over?
I need to know so we can see if anyone else on earth had better reason than you to do so.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:01 AM
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27. This is a pretty misguided post. And, how do you know he is rich?
Ever hear of scholarships? One of my dearest friends went to Duke on one. Played baseball.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #27
61. That's true Mido, in fact
many Duke students are on some type of financial aid.

Duke is a wealthy school. But many of its students are not. And you have no way to know who is and who isn't. That's the way it should be, IMO.

I can't decide who the OP is really complaining about. SHe's insulted the players, fair enough, but she also seems to be insulting the accusers too, who has demonstrated mental problems.

Frankly, I'm glad the state bar is trying Nifong so that hopefully this won't happen again for a long time.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #61
66. Duke has a pretty substantial endowment, IIRC, so it
certainly wouldn't be out of line that people who otherwise couldn't attend would do so.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #66
97. Yes, they try really hard
to put together packages for students.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:06 AM
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39. "I found out that there is no thing as an air-tight alibi" HAHAHA!
This is getting really funny now!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #39
45. Do You Grasp The Fact That He Didn't Do It?
Sheesh!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #45
53. No--and she's become nearly hysterical, it seems--that's pretty hard to project on
a message board, and yet she's done it...
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #45
57. More to the point, she does not care about it.
In her mind, the only thing that matters is his position in the social stratum. Her inverted prejudice is truly sickening.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:16 AM
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71. You and Blondie Are Correct
GAC
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #39
50. What are the last 3 things you cried over?
Do you remember?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:11 AM
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52. Attention. The OP has used up the quota of exclamation points for this thread.
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 09:16 AM by Bluebear
We're sorry, please try alternate punctuation.

Carry on.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #52
85. Hey, all we need now is the obligitory "Hitler" accusation.
And then this thread is officially a full on food fight...
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #52
98. LOL, nt
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:12 AM
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56. Meet the real America. Read THE WALL!
Meet the REAL victims who DO have a reason to cry...
http://www.november.org/thewall/wall/wall.html
The WALLUpon entering the new millennium, our nation marked the end of the most punishing decade in our people's history. More people began a prison or a jail term in the United States during the '90s than any other decade on record. There are now over two million incarcerated in the country often called "The Land of the Free."

It is no secret that punitive drug laws fuel this terrible rush to imprisonment. By studying drug law convictions over the past twenty years, researchers have produced alarming figures. The number of people sent to jail or prison for drug law violations increased more than tenfold. One in four prisoners in the United States is serving time for a drug law violation. In the federal system, these people make up 55% of the prison population.

Prison punishment increased dramatically with laws in the mid 1980's -- laws that created Mandatory Minimum sentencing, the US Sentencing Guidelines, and abolished parole. Today the Sentencing Guidelines are advisory, but those sentenced before 2004 are unlikely to be granted any retroactive relief.

The November Coalition staff endeavors to verify the accuracy of these WALL stories, written by the prisoners themselves. However, many prisoners are not able to possess the documents necessary for complete verification. The November Coalition assumes no responsibility for the content of these stories. Credentialed media can be provided with documentation and family contacts if they wish to research a story. To do so, please contact media@november.org .

Alphabetical Index: Prisoners of the Drug War

Drug War Casualty Statistical Graphs

WALL Story Submission Questionnaire
http://www.november.org/thewall/wall/wall.html
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. What are the last 3 things you cried over?
Do you recall?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #60
83. Are you some kind of shrink or something?
It doesn't matter. This isn't about me.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #83
91. If you can judge acceptable reasons to cry, why can't others? What are the last 3 things you cried
over?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:15 AM
Response to Original message
67. This is FUNNY to you? A man who's been faslely accused, put through the rigors of
an investigation at the behest of a power hungry DA, ryc, is entertaining?

You have a good cause, but your amusement at this kid's pain is hurting it badly.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #67
76. "amusement at this kid's pain"
the definition of sadistic.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #76
116. Thank you bluebear!
I don't know when disregard for equality and joy at the pain of others became DU values.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #67
104. Bingo...
there were so many more valid examples to make her case and she choose this one...

Stupidest OP of the month award.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:17 AM
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77. What an incredibly nasty post
There aren't any other words except to say that your post says FAR more about you then about that boy.

Asshat

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:17 AM
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78. I found an innocent guy in prison and it only took 30 seconds!
This guys dad is innocent. Should HE GET TO BE ON TV CRYING? I think he SHOULD!

Anthony Toner

#07339-041

http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/toner-a/toner-a.h...

12 1/2 Years - Marijuana Conspiracy

I was charged with a marijuana conspiracy which included my wife and father. If I went to trial and lost, I was looking at 30 years in federal prison. Prosecutors promised my wife that she would get only 6 months in confinement if she gave information on someone, anyone - but not information on me or my father. She declined their bribe, not wanting to destroy another family with a lie and then received 41 months in federal prison.

My dad was never involved in the conspiracy and, properly, took his case to trial. On the third day of the trial the government knew their case wasn't holding up. Prosecutors then produced an informant who testified under oath that my dad received a thousand pounds of marijuana from him, put it in a motorhome and proceeded to transport it from Arizona to Minnesota. US attorneys told my father that if he didn't stop the trial and plead guilty, they would have his daughter indicted that very afternoon on second-hand hearsay testimony.

My father would not have his daughter sent to prison. Being the good man that he is, and he believing by then that the government has the money and power to make anything happen, plead guilty to a crime he never committed.

I was guilty of this crime. I used hermetically sealed boxes sent via Federal Express. A thousand pounds of marijuana transported in a motorhome never happened. My father is innocent, but they gave him 33 months in Federal prison.

I was sentenced to 12 1/2 years. Wake up America! Our Constitution is being washed away, adulterated, never to return. One further note: I am proud that none of my family cooperated with these courtroom tyrants.

Anthony Toner #07339-041
PO Box 1000
Oxford, WI 53952

Updated - 3/29/01http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/toner-a/toner-a.html

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #78
92. If he's innocent, he should walk.
His presence in jail is NO justification for putting more in jail who don't belong.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:23 AM
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101. Thankyou. But he won't walk! Prison is for the "little people"...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #101
112. Then why don't you spend your time helping him instead of getting
wacky over the justice system actually WORKING for those falsely accused for once?

Instead you are here, splattering your emotions all over rational people who might sympathize with you and help with your cause if you'd just BREATHE...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #78
96. Yes--he absolutely should. Therefore, why don't you call and write
your media and tell them that instead of laughing at the pain of another innocent fucked over by the justice system?
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:18 AM
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80. How would YOU feel if you were falsely imprisoned?
I don't care how rich he is. He's the victim in this case.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #80
95. Actually, I have been falsely inprisoned. For traffic tickets that never came off
the computer. But I didn't cry. I just considered it bullshit. this happens to people EVERYDAY in this country. why should I cry for myself. There were people in there a lot worse of than be..
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #95
107. Really? What HAVE you cried over? I wonder if the crying-police can share
her own experiences.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:27 AM
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108. So your problem is with the crying.
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 09:28 AM by lynyrd_skynyrd
I understand. Another rich kid crying like a baby over something that you dealt with yourself, and you didn't have the luxury of paying for a top attorney, or to have the same kind of Fox News media exposure.

I can see why you feel the way you do, but I hope you understand that your feelings have nothing to do with anything rational. It's normal to envy the rich and to feel contempt for them when they have to deal with the real world like the rest of us.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:28 AM
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109. Meet Eddie Abbott (pot criminal) 26 1/2 years. FED time!
Eddie Abbott

#09715-026

I am a federal prisoner originally sentenced to 26 1/2 years. At sentencing the judge declared me a "non-villainous criminal" and lamented the fact that he had to sentence me to an inappropriate disposition, but Congress had mandated he must, and that his hands were tied, for he was only a servant. He said he would depart from this sentence if he could.

I went back to court for an evidentiary hearing on my #2255 habeas corpus petition. But the judge ruled against me again, saying I didn't have the information to prove my allegations. But I did. (see Fd3rd 195, 964 at bottom of page)

The U.S. Attorney made a deal to secure an informant's testimony against me and withheld this information from me and the jury. I had a due process right to receive this before trial. The evidence is indisputable: a handwritten letter from the informant to the U.S. Attorney complaining that their "agreement was ... no parole violation"; an affidavit from the informant's probation officer stating that she "remembered a deal being worked out; a letter from the Prison Review Board stating the informant "fully cooperated in the successful federal investigation and prosecution of (Eddie) Abbott. The government made a deal in exchange for an informant's testimony, and this information was withheld. For the judge to ignore this evidence is simply another injustice heaped upon my shoulders. Knowing that my convictions are tainted with constitutional violations, that the justice system knows this and ignores it, makes me angry and sad.

This was my 9th Christmas in prison, and it gets tougher. My dad almost died last year and had his colon removed. He is fighting prostate cancer and has limited time left. My mother is also terminally ill and isn't expected to live out the year. This has been very tough on my father, and he doesn't understand much of this. He never condoned my drug use, but he knows that a bunch of 40-year-olds who smoke pot aren't much danger to anyone.

So, I grow older, and am sickened by the total waste of my own life. Who have I killed? Where are my graveyards? We know where they keep theirs: in plain sight. They are killing the Constitution, they have killed the Bill of Rights - the right to choose - they have all but killed the land of the free. The killing fields are right here at home.

Eddie Abbott 09715-026
FCI Oxford
PO Box 1000
Oxford, WI 53952

(The Fd.3rd 195, 964 has the appeals court decision and lists the evidence I presented.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #109
115. Good--now breathe and start a rational post about this.
You scare me.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:29 AM
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113. My first use of the ignore function.
So because his family has money, he doesn't deserve justice? So John Edwards, Hillary or any other politician that has access to wealth should be locked up if falsely accused of a crime? I can feel my brain cells dying every time I read one of your posts.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:29 AM
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114. This is interesting
While it's wrong to be falsely accused, it's not like he was ever without the resources to be cleared. If this whole situation was reversed and a minority was falsely accused and there was solid proof that they were falsely accused, they'd probably still be in jail and the DA wouldn't get so much as a slap on the wrist.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:32 AM
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118. You know, I could post every story on THE WALL, but I'm not
going to spend all day doing that. You need to READ the wall. You need to do some research on the US justice system. It's a JOKE! maybe if enough "rich kids" get put behind bars we can have a REAL debate. Until then....
http://www.november.org/thewall/men/male01.html
Our marriages rarely last, and prisoners are usually shipped far from their homes. Contact with our children is minimal and often lost. Within about two years the lives of all concerned are irrevocably altered, generally for the worst: wives divorce and remarry; children grow up. The prisoner watches it all from the glass coffin of a prison cell. Behind the wire we are subjected to unremitting harassment, degradation, danger and discomfort, separated from virtually everything that makes life worthwhile. The years pass, one into the next, and many men simply go around the bend." - G. Patrick Callahan, co-founder of the November Coalition
http://www.november.org/thewall/men/male01.html

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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:32 AM
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119. Locking
This is a flame fest.

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