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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:16 AM
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“Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic.”
She's present in our country right now, just waiting to make her - to carry out her divine mission




http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/27/1454229

CHALMERS JOHNSON: Nemesis was the ancient Greek goddess of revenge, the punisher of hubris and arrogance in human beings. You may recall she is the one that led Narcissus to the pond and showed him his reflection, and he dove in and drowned. I chose the title, because it seems to me that she's present in our country right now, just waiting to make her -- to carry out her divine mission.

By the subtitle, I really do mean it. This is not just hype to sell books -- “The Last Days of the American Republic.” I’m here concerned with a very real, concrete problem in political analysis, namely that the political system of the United States today, history tells us, is one of the most unstable combinations there is -- that is, domestic democracy and foreign empire -- that the choices are stark. A nation can be one or the other, a democracy or an imperialist, but it can't be both. If it sticks to imperialism, it will, like the old Roman Republic, on which so much of our system was modeled, like the old Roman Republic, it will lose its democracy to a domestic dictatorship.

I’ve spent some time in the book talking about an alternative, namely that of the British Empire after World War II, in which it made the decision, not perfectly executed by any manner of means, but nonetheless made the decision to give up its empire in order to keep its democracy. It became apparent to the British quite late in the game that they could keep the jewel in their crown, India, only at the expense of administrative massacres, of which they had carried them out often in India. In the wake of the war against Nazism, which had just ended, it became, I think, obvious to the British that in order to retain their empire, they would have to become a tyranny, and they, therefore, I believe, properly chose, admirably chose to give up their empire.

As I say, they didn't do it perfectly. There were tremendous atavistic fallbacks in the 1950s in the Anglo, French, Israeli attack on Egypt; in the repression of the Kikuyu -- savage repression, really -- in Kenya; and then, of course, the most obvious and weird atavism of them all, Tony Blair and his enthusiasm for renewed British imperialism in Iraq. But nonetheless, it seems to me that the history of Britain is clear that it gave up its empire in order to remain a democracy. I believe this is something we should be discussing very hard in the United States.

......



Over the ashes of blood marched the civilized soldiers,

Over the ruins of the french fortress of a failure

Over the silent screams of the dead and the dying

Saying please be reassured, we seek no wider war.



The treaties were signed, the country was split into sections

But growing numbers of prisons were built for protection

Rapidly filling with people who called for elections

But please be reassured, we seek no wider war.



Ngo dinh diem was the puppet who danced for the power

The hero of hate who gambled on hell for his hour

Father of his country was stamped on the medals we showered

But please be reassured, we seek no wider war.



Machine gun bullets became the bloody baptizers

And the falcon copters dont care if someones the wiser

But the boy in the swamp didnt know he was killed by advisers

So please be reassured, we seek no wider war.



And fires were spitting at forests in defoliation

While the people were pressed into camps not called concentration

And the greater the victory the greater the shame of the nation

But please be reassured, we seek no wider war.



While we were watching the prisoners were tested by torture

And vicious and violent gasses maintained the order

As the finest washington minds found slogans for slaughter

But please be reassured, we seek no wider war.



Then over the border came the bay of pigs planes of persuasion

All remaining honor went up in flames of invasion

But the shattered schools never learned that its not escalation

But please be reassured, we seek no wider war.



Were teaching freedom for which they are yearning

While were dragging them down to the path of never returning

But, well condescend to talk while the cities are burning

But please be reassured, we seek no wider war.



And the evil is done in hopes that evil surrenders

But the deeds of the devil are burned too deep in the embers

And a world of hunger in vengeance will always remember

So please be reassured, we seek no wider war,

We seek no wider war.


phil ochs
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:35 AM
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1. The first victim of the Roman Empire
was the Roman Republic.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:02 PM
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6. when we reconstruct the fall of the Roman Empire


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTsYHLDSa2w

down and out of luck in Jobstown
amid a gang of raconteurs
womanising brawlers and ombudsmen
with bags of pig meat and pearls

a braggard in the back asked the void with an axe
where from here, we should go ..
what did you bring your daddy boys,
to keep him from the gallis pole??

yeah ..things will never be the same
it's a sweet decline that winds down and ends our reighn here
I'll be there a toffee apple on a crutch
when we reconstruct the fall of the Roman Empire

every day is like a Sunday
nothing much to see or do
I?ve got a mother in the mother land
but the mother land is through

Garda band plays Lord Gawd again
BUM-TITTY-BUM-TITTY-BUM
I?m suffering from the sight of folly being waged in the name of jollity
upon the less fortunate ones

yeah ..things will never be the same
as long as my blood can still sign my name here
I?ll be there with a toffee apple on a crutch
when we reconstruct the fall of the Roman of the Empire
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:40 AM
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2. An excellent yet frightening book
Johnson in essence says that the Roman Empire grew so large that they could no longer afford it (among other things).

Hmmmm.

Perhaps our comeuppance will be in the form of bankruptcy.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:10 PM
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8. We are already there. Just waiting for the debtors to call our loan.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:42 AM
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3. We are witnessing the last gasp of the American Empire.
The Chinese Empire will be next. Imo.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 12:56 PM
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5. yes I think China might
be tied to us buying all their cheap plastic crap.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 12:46 PM
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4. I put this book in my sig line this morning -- I must, must, must
read Chalmers Johnson. Bill Moyers speaks of Johnson with great respect and Johnson appears in Jarecki's "Why We Fight" - powerful!

Watch the entire film at Information Clearinghouse - Why We Fight

Watch portions of the film at the official website for Why We Fight
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:42 PM
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10. There isn't an obvious villain of the piece, but I wonder if it's the US Congress?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/eugene-jarecki.shtml

One of the things that the film focuses on is the extraordinary prophesy issued by Dwight D Eisenhower in his last moments as president. He warned the American public of this "military-industrial complex" - a confluence of power that he saw as a threat to democracy itself. The film asks to what extent have the military-industrial interests, once a by-product of policy, come to define the policy itself? Eisenhower's children told me that the president's warning had not originally been worded "military-industrial complex". The original formulation was "military-industrial-congressional complex". That was dropped from the final draft, but it represents the fullness of his concern - that only with the collusion of members of Congress could the apparatus of the defence sector grow to wag the dog.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:46 PM
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11. One of the most important documentaries ever made about America!
I own this one.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:09 PM
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7. K and R Listening to the broadcast now. n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:15 PM
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9. Empires are like cancers. As they grow, they consume more, and become dependent on their host.
To survive, the Empire needs to always expand to feed itself. Then they become dependent on the sources which, ultimately, rebel and seek to emulate the material success of the the overlords. In order to defend their "vital interests" the empires usually turn to more and more brutal methods, or, as in the case of Britain and the Soviet Union, realize the inevitability of the process, and begrudgingly surrender their empire to the "barbarians".

I believe that the American Empire is in it's last stages. It's latest attempt at expansion and control has been a catastrophe which will only speed up the process to collapse.

The question now is how much needless blood will be shed until the inevitable occurs.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:48 PM
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12. TV replaces the spectacles of the Circus Maximus and Colisseum.
Meanwhile a useless senate dares not challenge their emperor. Yeah, sounds familiar.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 10:59 AM
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19. so true
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=12047

Confessions of a Dangerous <strike>Mind</strike> Meme?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_a_Dangerous_Mind

Quote:
"A frog turns into a prince."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oxTy7KIAaA

It is a culture of hierarchy where we are expected to be surprised that "ordinary" non-famous people are actually good at stuff. Same as any feudalistic society. However, as some I know says, "I hate & detest to my bones the smug redemptory nature of dominant culture that seems amazed at the extraordinary talents of ordinary people

beauty, after all resides in them

celebrity does not save people rather it is their innate sense which does that".

And from another commenter, "the singer obviously has a powerful voice, though I didn't care for the manipulative production. (how could one help but root -- and perhaps shed a tear -- for the "lump of coal"?). but then that's what the tv dreamworld is all about & the guy did get to live out part of his."

Yes, but what about the viewer? For the last two or three days I have been watching this meme travel across the internet with sweeping speed. The spectacle has been interesting to say the least.

I was as moved as anyone else by the production of that performance. I literally got chills watching it. I was taken in and moved to near tears by it too. And I don't even like nor understand Opera, however, I was truly in awe of a "cell phone salesman" wowing the crowd. Average joe makes good etc. I, like so many of you , -- suspect, always have a place in my heart for the underdog-- and was proud for him. It gave me feelings of hope.

However, --for my self --what seemed to be a fairy tale come true for this bad toothed average working stiff Paul Potts, soon turned to something else.

As I said it gave me hope, then that hope turned to consternation, confusion and finally dismay, as I learned that what we saw was indeed a production. One that was used, and further, meant to be used, to manipulate, mold, manage control and exploit. Ahhh, entertainment.

What!? "Uncle quit being cynical!" you say.

I was personally offended to see that my open feelings of genuine acceptance were used to frame the situation;where I un-wittedly became part of the interactive production. I mean what do you expect. I was once again taken in by the idiot box. Our working class hero Paul 'cell phone salesman' Potts, is not quite the 'amateur beginner' that we are led to believe from that clip. I hunted up to find out more about Paul; it seems he's not quite the 'amateur beginner' that we are sort of led to believe from that clip at all, at all .

Here's why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Potts

Again, he was indeed moving, and it was a great performance and production. But here's where it becomes a problem for me. The context. They would have us assume and believe that this was just some ordinary smoe, when that is not the full reality. Many many comments on other boards were of the example of, "if this guy just had some type of mentor he could really be something" type comments.

Again , good production, yes, But keep in mind, it was indeed a production. One meant to play on your good feelings.

One out of the playbook of a business-motivational seminar. Something out of the school of people such as business guru, Tom Peters. You were the customer. Yes, reduced to a customer. Reduced to a formula. Reduced to Happiness Machines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kp24ZeHtv4

Tom Peters, said in his book "Thriving on Chaos", Customer perception (CP) equals delivery (D) divided by expectation (E). Maximizing CP is essential in the squishy, real world, where perception of the intangibles is really everything." So, given that, how do you like Paul Potts now?

I personally was angry about being once again taken in by the mentality of little more than the gong show:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gong_Show

However, what would you expect when everything is reduced to perception; where "perception is everything". Brought to us by none other than the masters of deception by the likes of the Tavistock Institute in London, Rand Corp. in Santa Monica, Calif., Systems Development Corp. in Santa Monica, Stanford Research Corp.in Sunnyvale Calif., Frankfurt Institute in Frankfurt Germany, and several others... elite persuasion strategists.

Perhaps I am being ridiculous and am over thinking a plate of beans. Yeah, that's it...pork and beans. With emphasis on the pork fat. Shows like this are twice the phatt and still tasteless. I argue if we were to examine our "Consciousness"; In a world where the perception is the reality, all people need to have the capability to manage their own perceptual alignment otherwise someone else will. Blake said, 'create a system or be enslaved by another's'.

The phenomenology of Perception, is nothing less than a Social production.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 01:49 PM
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13. Thanks for this post.....
Saw long interview with Johnson on Booknotes (C-Span) where he talking about his books "Blowback, Sorrows of Empire" and the new "Nemesis." It was fascinating.

Beautiful post...and what we are faced with if we don't stop this war mongering that is causing misery all over the world and diverting attention from what are needs are at home.

:thumbsup:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 10:04 PM
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16. I saw that interview also KoKo01
I was looking to see if I could watch it on line but couldn't find it, it was excellent
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 04:58 PM
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14. That interview sent chills down my spine.
Edited on Sat Jun-09-07 04:58 PM by Odin2005
"Military Keynesianism" :scared:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 07:04 PM
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15. hey I have something to add to this
Edited on Sat Jun-09-07 07:06 PM by Faye
"Nemesis" by VNV Nation (referring to the same meaning of nemesis)

everybody wants to live in a lie
but why should we delude ourselves?
it's not as if we can't see something's wrong
where's the duty to what's right?
intentions end with empty words
and chaos replaces order

those who shout loudest impose their will
upholding laws that serve the few
declaring peace while the sirens sing
in the name of progress,
in the name of madness
drum beats faster
crowd shouts louder
and chaos replaces order

i want justice for the voice that can't be heard
vindication for every suffering and hurt
let retribution hold dominion over earth
because judgement day's not coming,
judgement day's not coming
soon enough

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 02:36 PM
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17. beat me to it!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:25 AM
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18. But me nah go let dem conquer de I


Amerimacka

Miss Liberty turn inna Jezzabelle
All de dreams you go sell, de whole dem turn inna hell
Her bed of roses are filled with thorns
Her righteous robes are tattered and torn

If she had only stood for love
That would have been enough
She wouldn’t have to hide her shame
If she had only stood for love
That would have been enough
But now she’s burnt us all with her flames

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life
Amerimacka
Is like licking honey off a knife

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful sight
Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life

The land of the free built on slavery
Our consciousness in captivity
The promise land is the liar’s den
Your culture of greed has got to end

Now we’re laying in the mud
Looking up above
Tear water just ah drop from the sky
They try to keep us in the mud
Separating us from love
But me nah go let dem conquer de I

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life
Amerimacka
Is like licking honey off a knife

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful sight
Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life

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