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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:13 AM
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AND one, single name can be directly linked to the Third Reich, the US military industrial complex
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 11:36 AM by seemslikeadream
The time is NOW to stop this. IMPEACHMENT


Democrats have the power. USE IT!



http://onlinejournal.org/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html

Nor, finally, is it in any way a "theory" that the one, single name that can be directly linked to the Third Reich, the US military industrial complex, Skull and Bones, Eastern Establishment good ol' boys, the Illuminati, Big Texas Oil, the Bay of Pigs, the Miami Cubans, the Mafia, the FBI, the JFK assassination, the New World Order, Watergate, the Republican National Committee, Eastern European fascists, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, CIA headquarters, the October Surprise, the Iran/Contra scandal, Inslaw, the Christic Institute, Manuel Noriega, drug-running "freedom fighters" and death squads, Iraqgate, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction, the blood of innocents, the savings and loan crash, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, the "Octopus," the "Enterprise," the Afghan mujaheddin, the War on Drugs, Mena (Arkansas), Whitewater, Sun Myung Moon, the Carlyle Group, Osama bin Laden and the Saudi royal family, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and the presidency and vice-presidency of the United States, is: George Herbert Walker Bush.

More BCCI crimes are happening NOW. Dems must demand accountability.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1061246

Bush's buddy Bandar in some hot water?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1058165
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:23 AM
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1. Impeach the president because of his father's associations?
That's going nowhere.

Nice formatting, by the way. But, could you make it bigger and darker?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. oh stop it
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 11:33 AM by seemslikeadream
second thought here, does this please his Majesty




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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:31 AM
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6. Much better. Now all I need is a 57 inch monitor to read it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:32 AM
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8. Why don't you just leave now and go buy one
:hi:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:43 AM
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17. You know, my point is really simple:
You don't need to use five different typefaces, bold, italics, colors, and animated effects to make a point. In fact, you should not. Make your point with the expression of your words, because the tricks and charades from the added effects actually detract from the message.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #17
25. His Majesty has spoken
I didn't use 5 different typefaces, just one color and 2 sizes
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. If you can't stand criticism, write it on a piece of paper, and put it under your pillow.
This isn't the place to be for people with thin skins.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. hey snarky
not thinned skinned just pissed at you, if I had thinned skin I wouldn't have lasted here 5 years
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #17
115. You can't be a DUzy winner
You are fair too critical of others - it's hard to imagine you with sense of humor. Must have been a glitch. :freak:

:rofl:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #115
136. That's it!
It's a GLITCH!

:toast: :spray:
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #17
128. Your point is also really stupid. :)
This isn't a formal scholarly essay, and DU isn't an academic journal. It's a casual place for people to gather and express their feelings as much as they express their opinions or relay facts.

Sometimes it feels good to use bold, italics (which by the way is indeed perfectly acceptable in all situations including formal writing) effects and what not to further express particular feelings about the issue.

That's what happens in an informal setting like this one and there's nothing wrong with it. Not a thing.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
189. Woah! You picked a HUGH SERIES hole in her argiment
:eyes:

Seriously seemslikeadream, who like uses that font...Its so like last season...or something :eyes:.

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. The font size are offensive to my screen
I keep two windows open on my mac, you have great posts
but can you tone it down? IT IS LIKE USING CAPS ALL THE TIME.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. I'm just pissed at Buzz Clik
I'll edit now that I've calmed down
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. THANKS -THAT WOULD BE GREAT
:) LOL ........
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #2
134. It goes all the way back to Grampy Prescott Bush and the NAZIS.
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 06:13 PM by BeHereNow
GO Bushbots!
Follow evil over the cliff.
We'll all be much better off without you.
(PS to the lurking bushbots- do your research on the BFEE
and get back to us on your so called "family values.")
BHN
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. No Impeach the chimp
because it is obviously a family tradition to commit treason, war crimes, mass murder and Dubya is guilty of at least 25 Impeachable offenses already, I guess maybe the spinelesscrats are waiting for an even 100.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Impeach Shrub because of his actions? Sure.
Impeach him because of his dad's pals? :crazy: :silly:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. Let's just keep the crime family in power
is that what you want?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #13
18. No, that does not even resemble what I said.
Read it again: I said that impeaching the standing president for the actions of his father will go nowhere.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. and you know damn well I wasn't implying that
jr. has plently of his own
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:50 AM
Original message
Damned straight, and he should be impeached for their cumulative impact on this nation.
But that isn't what you said in the OP, now is it?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:57 AM
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30. funny you can't ever get the number of font sizes straight or how many colors are there
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 11:58 AM by seemslikeadream
no italics and no animated effects, but you do tend to exaggerate, don't you?

I guess it would be difficult for you to understand the OP
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #18
138. They are one in the same.
Rumsfeld, Cheney, Negroponte...

The list is neverending.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:29 AM
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4. It's been one LONG CRIMEWAVE from the Bush family that has never stopped.
Why should Democrats have to continue to pretend it is all separate and coincidental when most of us know better by now?
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #4
12. exactly its all part of the same crimewave.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
109. Bush Crime Family LINKS
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #109
123. Everyone should see that compilation..
Between your research and DSR's stuff anyone who still doesn't believe that the bush family is responsible for a large percentage of the worlds misery is either in braindead denial or are active supporters of the bfee's agenda.
IMPEACH
INDICT
IMPRISON
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:50 AM
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26. Chimpeach the crazy monkey. Haul Poppy before a Grand Jury.
The guy's got a lot to answer for. For starters: What was he doing in Dallas when JFK was murdered?

At least that's what he told the FBI.

In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, ostensible Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:



Here's a transcript of the text:



TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #




Gee. Why was Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?

Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.

Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, wot?



Here's a transcript of the above:



Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #



I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show that was big on show and light on facts.

Recent evidence shows Bush was CIA earlier than he admitted:



Bush Senior Early CIA Ties Revealed

By Russ Baker and Jonathan Z. Larsen
The Real News Project January 8, 2007

NEW YORK--Newly released internal CIA documents assert that former president George Herbert Walker Bush's oil company emerged from a 1950's collaboration with a covert CIA officer.

Bush has long denied allegations that he had connections to the intelligence community prior to 1976, when he became Central Intelligence Agency director under President Gerald Ford. At the time, he described his appointment as a 'real shocker.'

But the freshly uncovered memos contend that Bush maintained a close personal and business relationship for decades with a CIA staff employee who, according to those CIA documents, was instrumental in the establishment of Bush's oil venture, Zapata, in the early 1950s, and who would later accompany Bush to Vietnam as a “cleared and witting commercial asset” of the agency.

According to a CIA internal memo dated November 29, 1975, Bush's original oil company, Zapata Petroleum, began in 1953 through joint efforts with Thomas J. Devine, a CIA staffer who had resigned his agency position that same year to go into private business. The '75 memo describes Devine as an “oil wild-catting associate of Mr. Bush.” The memo is attached to an earlier memo written in 1968, which lays out how Devine resumed work for the secret agency under commercial cover beginning in 1963.

“Their joint activities culminated in the establishment of Zapata Oil,” the memo reads. In fact, early Zapata corporate filings do not seem to reflect Devine's role in the company, suggesting that it may have been covert. Yet other documents do show Thomas Devine on the board of an affiliated Bush company, Zapata Offshore, in January, 1965, more than a year after he had resumed work for the spy agency.

CONTINUED...

http://realnews.org/rn/content/zapata.html



Small world, huh?

Now I don't know if Poppy was a trigger man, was only there to watch what happened or what just happened to be there. I do know Poppy Bush has never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.

Seeing how he would go on to become President, as would his dim son, I believe it's vitally important that we learn the Truth.

Why? The United States and the world haven't been the same since November 22, 1963. And not a single major player in the nation's mass media have stepped up and demanded a real investigation. So, it's up to us, We the People.

Remember, Buzz Clik, there's no statute of limitations on murder. Or treason.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
60. Finally! Someone has captured the true spirit of this thread.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #60
70. Yes and he is a very GOOD friend of mine
wasn't worried about font size
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. ROFL! I was kidding ... but apparently I stumbled upon the truth.
This really is an adventure in tinfoil, isn't it? "Why were you in Dallas when JFK was shot?" :rofl:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. OMG I thought you had finally come to your senses
sorry my mistake
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. Hows about I do us both a big favor...
and hide this silly thread?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. be my guest
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #72
111. Why would Hoover have remarked on it back then? You want to play coincidence theorist
go right ahead. Let us know when you get to the 100th 'coincidence' which should be around the forming days of BCCI, by my guess.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #111
121. I will never understand the thickheadedness of people
who discount an apparent coincidence although that one coincidence is one among a chain of many similar coincidences.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. a chain that is now about 2000 links long, eh?
;)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #72
114. Apparently there are only two Americans who can't remeber where they were
that day, George Bush and Richard Nixon
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #72
125. You HAVE stumbled upon the truth
Now if you could only recognize it.

Seriously dude.Take a week or two and read their research.It will open your eyes in a big way.What OF just posted is only the tip of the iceberg.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #72
139. Buzz...here's something you may want to "stumble" upon.
In plain sight. All of it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/6/232627/3357

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/17332904.htm

BTW- Documented evidence is better than "being there"...

You might want to run out and get yourself a hat. Those of us who have been mercilessly MOCKED have ultimately been vindicated. With each story that s l o w l y leaks out, our assertions have been proven to be correct a vast majority of the time.

I wear mine proudly. :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: All you need is a "well-informed citizenry". The TRUTH will set u.s. free.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #139
147. Those links have something -- anything -- to do with GWHB and JFK's assassination?
Before you try this ridiculous bullshit again, I very strongly recommend that you READ THE THREAD.

You really have no clue what's being discussed here, do you?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #147
148. and pray tell Buzz just what are you discussing?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #148
191. Well, we settled that your font abuse was odd and annoying.
We determined that the words you typed in the OP had nothing to do with what you intended to say.

So, we sort of settled on the amusing post at the top of this subthread that Bush41 was somehow involved in JFK's assassination. It's not that I'm talking about, it's more that I'm laughing at it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #191
192. only to you and your friend
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #147
152. Hey Buzz...no need to get testy. Many of my students have comprehension problems.
I am a patient woman. Perhaps we can go over the post you are referring to line by line.


Buzz...here's something that you might want to stumble upon.

In plain sight. All of it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/6/232627/3357

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/17332904.htm

BTW- Documented evidence is better than "being there"...

You might want to run out and get yourself a hat. Those of us who have been mercilessly MOCKED have ultimately been vindicated. With each story that s l o w l y leaks out, our assertions have been proven to be correct a vast majority of the time.

I wear mine proudly. All you need is a "well-informed citizenry". The TRUTH will set u.s. free.


Now, what was that you STRONGLY recommend? :dunce: Guess the one who needs to grab a CLUE is YOU. I never once said anything in that post about GHWB or JFK. I was simply supplying you with more information to mock and belittle...no matter how CREDIBLE the source. Again, on cue, you ridicule, mock and degrade. Wow. Some DUers never disappoint. At least you're consistent. Fuck the "ridiculous" bullshit. Just google Franklin Cover-up and I'll leave you to make any connection you'd like. Whatever blows your hair back, baby.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #152
193. Judging by your concept of an insult, I'd guess your students are teaching you about maturity.
Anyway, thanks for the instant replay. It reinforced that you have no fucking clue what's going on here.

You see, honey, we're not talking about whatever the hell it is you pasted up there.

However, if you'd like to shift gears and start a brand new subject, I'm game. Initiate a new thread, put a link to it, and I'll meet you there. But don't wait for me. 'K?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #193
194. hey your friend says
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-07-07 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #179
185. Know What? A Well Known DU'er Passed Away. I Notice This Is More Important To You Than That.
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 09:20 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
So when you decide the former is worthy of your attention instead, feel free to click below. Enough of this petty bullshit. Some things are more important.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
We're all fighting the good fight. Always remember that we're in this together, and I fight proudly beside you. Never let keyboard bullies bring you down, for we are stronger than they


so why are you still posting here
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #194
195. Fighting the good fight? With little tinfoil missiles. Good luck with that.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #195
196. he leaves and you show up
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
10. Poppa Bush is the "Smoking man" like they had on "X Files"
He has been right in the middle of everything since WWII
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. You got that right, underpants.

I've heard even active-duty generals
are afraid of the guy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:32 PM
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59. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #10
110. They're like Waldo..
if you take a screen shot of every major political upheaval in the last 50 years, there's a Bush standing there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #110
112. GREAT observation, Virginia.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:41 AM
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15. Not to mention that, when he was VP, an assassination attempt was made on RR, by a BUSH
FAMILY FRIEND'S SON.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
40. Why the hell would Bush get a family friend to off Reagan?
The former head of the CIA would not rely on John Hinckley to pop Ronaldus Magnus in the head. As stated in the OP, #41 has a network of connections like something out of a cheesy spy movie. If (doubtless when) he ordered a hit, the assassin would be separated from him by so many degrees that all we would have to go by would be, "Well, he is first in line for succession..."
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #40
81. Well, as for the second part: to be President, maybe? (But then, maybe I
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 01:02 PM by WinkyDink
taught "Macbeth" too many years; it's possible!)
As for the first question: It almost worked, did it not? "Nutty lone gunman", and all that. And nary a word spoken about the cancelled Hinckley-Bush dinner.

Why would Poppy need to actually show up near the Texas Book Depository?
Why would it be a BinLaden who "master-minded" 9/11?

But if one wants to pick and choose one's Bush "coincidences" and relationships....
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #81
140. Hinckley is out now, isn't he?
The guy tries to assassinate the President of the US and he's a free man.

Wonder how that happened?
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #140
153. Free Man
He is not a "free" man. He is still a committed patient at a mental hospital. He is given occasional weekends away from the facility to visit his family near Williamsburg Virginia.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #40
98. You mean separated from the Bush family like...
Bin Laden is?

Bill
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #98
120. No
There would be absolutely no connection. There would be no way to trace the killer to GHWB. No business ties, nothing. It's also ridiculous to think that Bush would benefit from Reagan's death. He stood the most to lose of anyone in the world. While he was acting President, the entire world was watching. While he was Vice President, he could pull all the dirty tricks he wanted, because no one gave a fuck. Becoming acting President seriously cut down on his effectiveness.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #120
127. Behold: Neil Bush was to have dinner with Scott Hinckley.
Straight from the AP's mouth:



Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting

The Associated Press Domestic News
March 31, 1981, Tuesday, PM cycle

The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.

Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.

The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.

The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana.

In 1978, Neil served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice president's oldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.

On Monday, Neil Bush said he did not know if he had ever met 25-year-old John Hinckley.

SNIP...

Sharon Bush, Neil's wife, said Scott Hinckley was coming to their house as a date of a girl friend of hers. "I don't even know the brother. From what I know and I've heard, they (the Hinckleys) are a very nice family and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign. I understand he was just the renegade brother in the family. They must feel awful," she said.

SNIP...

George W. Bush said he was unsure whether he had met John W. Hinckley.

CONTINUED (w/more articles n'links n' stuff)...

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html



Small world, huh?

Ask about Poppy's connection with George DeMohrenschildt, Lee Harvey Oswald's handler...
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #127
149. Funny lunches.
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 07:43 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
GHWB was having lunch/breakfast with a certain middle eastern family on 911.

Aw,just a coincidence.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #120
170. That's a great theory.
Unfortunately, Reagan was shot by a Bush family friend. I don't buy any coincidence theories. I see a pattern in the way these guys operate right out in the open, not caring who knows what they do. In fact, I bet they want the world to see how much they can get away with, because of the intimidation factor. The Bush family has been shown to have financed Hitler. The latest one tore up the constitution. The one in the middle was in business with Bin Laden's family. I don't see any evidence that he cared who knew how many Presidents he had had shot.

Bill
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #170
181. Hold on, hold on -
You don't believe in coincidence? I was going to try to explain why your proposed conspiracy doesn't make any sense, but if you are going to assign agency to even the most trivial of happenings, then I guess there's really nothing more I can say to convince you.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #181
200. I don't know too many assassins' families, do you? And if I did, it wouldn't be "trivial" to me!
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 11:11 PM by WinkyDink
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #200
216. Yeah, but you don't know
one one-hundreth as many people as GHWB does. He is often said to be the best connected man on the planet. And I didn't say knowing an assassin was trivial. The other guy said he didn't believe in any coincidences at all, which must include even those that are the most trivial.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #120
199. Yeah, good theory. That's why Poppy then RAN FOR PRESIDENT.
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 11:12 PM by WinkyDink
TWICE. So he could be INEFFECTUAL.

Good grief.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #199
215. He was more effective as vice president than
as pres. I didn't say he was completely useless as President, but he certainly preferred pulling the strings to being in the spotlight.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #215
217. pulling strings - That's an understatement
Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315

Octafish (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-04 04:06 PM
Original message
Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason
Some DUers don't believe there's a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or even a Bush Family Evil Empire.

Hey, I'm a Democrat and respect other's opinions and views.

But I do believe in the VRWC and BFEE, perhaps more accurately termed the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise. Here's why:

Bush Crime Line

• Vietnam
• Bay of Pigs
• Chile
• Watergate
• October Surprise
• El Salvador
• Reagan Survives Hinckley and Bush
• NAZI Ethnics for Reagan-Bush
• Voodoo Economics
• INSLAW/Promis
• Haiti
• Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms to Saddam
• BCCI International Money Laundering for Terrorists & Intelligence Community arming Dr AQ Khan
• Savings & Loan scandal in general and Silverado in particular
• Iran-contra Guns/Drugs/Martial Law
• Gulf War I Glaspie Gives Go-Ahead
• Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution
• Tax Cuts for UltraRich
• Criminal Justice Department
• Suicidal Environmental Policy
• ENRON Energy Policy
• 9-11 Criminal Negligence, at best; Treason, most likely
• Illegal Iraq Invasion
• Paperless Selection 2004

It’s interesting in reviewing the above list, just how much ultra-right, conservative Republican leadership has really been. More than a listing of criminality, the list demonstrates there have been many treasonous activites against “We the People” through “business opportunities” in the finance, energy, and defense industries.

There is one FAMILY name that runs through all the history, the four decades since the JFK administration. Since the very hour of President Kennedy’s death, and through the list of sinister events and unrelenting criminality noted above — a record of infamy stretching back 41 years today — appears the name George Herbert Walker Bush, a tradition continued by his son, George Walker Bush, beard of the BFEE.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:42 AM
Response to Original message
16. I'm Not Sure You Can Impeach A President Out Of Office For 15 Years. I'm Pretty Sure You Can Only
do that for sitting presidents.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. ** snark **
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 11:46 AM by Buzz Clik
That comment will not make you popular on this thread.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. PM's are a good thing aren't they Buzz Clik
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. Look! The point of this thread is quite seriously flawed.
I pointed out the flaw, and it pissed you off. Sorry, but I don't have to tolerate twisted "logic".
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #24
28. Just because YOUR interpretation of it was wrong
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #16
20. It's background OPERATIONMINDCRIME
BACKGROUND

Do you see where those apples are?





BTW What took you so long to get here?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. It's Silly, Seemslikeadream,
SILLY.

To post a thread that so melodramatically and with insanely large and irritating font declares that George H Bush is the head of it all!!!!! Impeach his son!!! is just nothing short of being silly on its face. Undoubtedly you'll get your cheers from some, as any thread on just about any topic can garner them, but most will laugh to themselves at the silliness of it.

Your post comes down to "IMPEACH BUSH, HIS FATHER IS EVIL!".

I don't care about how technically things can be traced from one to the other and if really in depth a case can be made etc. The fact is you made no such case and made no such connections, but instead offered a really simplistic concept that is summed up by my one line above. And to the normal inquiring eye, the thread just comes off as quite silly.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. You know I could care less about what YOU think OPERATIONMINDCRIME
You must know that by now
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. You Could Care Less? How Much Less Seemslikeadream? A Lot Less? A Little Less? Big Font Less?
And yeah yeah yeah yeah, I'm aware you only care about opinions from people who actually agree with you. But too bad. :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. I just love it when the gang shows up
keeps good stuff on the front page, thanks :hi:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. See What I Mean? You Have Zero Ability To Handle Dissenting Opinion Maturely.
What gang? Are you actually serious? Sensitive much?

There is no gang pal. I saw your thread and I found the premise and formatting to be absolutely silly. I've said the reasons why I feel that way. You provided no thoughtful argument and did nothing to further discussion.

You basically said "Bush SR. is responsible for EVERYTHING! Impeach his son! Roarrrrrrr!"

Now if you don't think that sort of premise is monumentally silly, without actually taking the time, effort and intellect to actually walk us through your thought process and reasoning, then what can I tell ya.

But the OP is just empty and silly. If you can't handle that criticism too bad. People ain't gonna agree with you on everything you type, especially when so obnoxiously, so you're going to have to learn how to handle it when people disagree instead of just calling them gangs or getting all sensitive and stuff. :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. I deal with mature people with maturity
you and your friend, well that's a different story
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Who Ya Kiddin Slad, Seriously.
Thicker skin pal, thicker skin.

I notice all you did from the get go is turn the argument into a personal one from a contextual one towards both dissenting posters. You've never defended your position or addressed concerns. Your replies have all been empty and personal. You've done this to yourself slad, no one has done it to you.

See ya.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. No your friend did that right off the bat
And just cause I wouldn't let him get away with it he called in the reserves
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. Do You Realize How Delusional That Sounds? Called In The Reserves? Are You For Real?
You think I was called here?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's really, really, really silly! See? That's exactly what I'm talking about with you. If people disagree with you that means they must be in cahoots or something.

Like I said, thicker skin pal, thicker skin.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. Well it is a very small reserve I'll say that
be my guest and read the link
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #57
66. Sweetheart I've been here a very long time
I've seen alot. It's not that I need thicker skin I just don't let anyone bully me around
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #57
141. I got your call to show up, who needs us to bash em around?
:rofl:
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #49
95. How's 'bout a more respectful dialogue OPERATIONMINDCRIME?
Your demand of "Thicker skin pal, thicker skin" is aweful short of an advocate for a democratic discussion.

Oops. You never did advocate that, did you?

I apologize for falsely accusing you.

Anyway, you don't earn any stars for being so belligerent,...at least, not from me.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #95
99. Yawwwwwwnnnnnnnn
:boring:
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #95
129. Sadly, I agree with OPERATIONMINDCRIME but the asshole tone totally turns me off :(
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #43
198. Ok, OPERATIONMINDCRIME, nevermind the silly discussion
of font size, all of this stuff is fairly established, do you really object to the pattern of the so-called BFEE? Is there no connection between the Dad and Son who happens to be the sitting POTUS? This is really an extraordinary path for the USA and the common denominator is BUSH!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #38
144. Soon they will be hiding under rocks.
Anything to distance themselves. Take that one to the bank.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. I have been know to be a little melodramatically Another bush family crime
It's my nature

WHILE I SIT HERE TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS TO SAY


SOMEONE LIES BLEEDING IN A FIELD SOMEWHERE

SO IT WOULD SEEM WE'VE STILL GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO

I'VE SEEN ALL I WANNA SEE TODAY

WHILE I SIT HERE TRYING TO MOVE YOU ANYWAY I CAN


SOMEONE'S SON LIES DEAD IN A GUTTER SOMEWHERE

AND IT WOULD SEEM THAT WE'VE GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO

BUT I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE

SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO

SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY

WHILE I SIT AND WE TALK AND TALK AND WE TALK SOME MORE

SOMEONE'S LOVED ONE'S HEART STOPS BEATING IN A STREET SOMEWHERE

SO IT WOULD SEEM WE'VE STILL GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO, I KNOW

I'VE HEARD ALL I WANNA HEAR TODAY

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO (TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO)

SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY (SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY)

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO (TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO)

SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY (SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY)

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

TURN IT OFF



thanks phil collins for the words
my heart to the people of Haiti
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. Oh God Whatever.
:eyes:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Riggs Bank
Bank with close ties to Bush administration engulfed in scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775366

NEW details of Thatcher coup plot: London Evening Standard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=777970

SEC probes Marathon Oil payments in Equitorial Guinea (and HQ burns down)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=728495

Du Toit admits meeting Thatcher
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775274

Terrorist Stocks?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775943

'Petroleum lures dogs of war to Africa'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775315

BBC News: Thatcher charged
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775499

Margaret Thatcher's Son Released on Coup Plot Charges (Update2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=775803

Exiled leader in Spain denies any link to coup attempt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=780228

Scorpions say have more info on Equatorial Guinea coup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=781763

Financiers conspired to overthrow oil-flush African government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=771532

Mark Thatcher: The money trail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=780222

Thatcher case twist as list of alleged coup backers vanishes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=779708

Thatcher: Spain 'secretly backed coup by sending warships'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=780346

WaPo: Allbritton Loses Riggs Bank (front page, day 3)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=691609

E Guinea 'coup plot' verdict due + update/result
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1023049

I feel like a corpse in a river, says Mark Thatcher as he faces court...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1020857

Thatcher to face coup questions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1018687

Phone links Thatcher to alleged plot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1008002
There was no coup plot, says Du Toit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=997545

Thatcher to ask Britain to help halt extradition
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1005084

Thatcher charged over coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1001670

Thatcher to be tried in absentia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=994305

Britain knew in advance of Equatorial Guinea coup plot: report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=987556

Tories Demand Answers on 'Coup Plot'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=991361

Mandelson faces questioning over 'link' to coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=975777

Legal Woes Cut Into Bottom Line at Riggs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=974861

Mugabe flies to Equatorial Guinea (coup plot latest)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=964525

Despots, Deposits & Directors - Riggs Bank
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=924033

SABC asks to broadcast Thatcher court case
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=926588

Spain calls on EU to warn Equatorial Guinea - Riggs Bank
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=916444

Raids 'break up' £20m theft gang
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=906579

Thatcher coup plot: Mandelson, CIA & State Department named
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=900168

Archer 'link to coup plot'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=899574

Britain accused of failing to investigate Africa coup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=901850

Pentagon link to Guinea coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=867591
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. So whatever to Haiti, I knew you cared
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. No; Whatever To Your Absurdity.
Nice try though.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. Oh! You mean that I misunderstood your post?
I guess that happens sometimes
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #44
146. You don't really give a shit about anything, do you?
I've been posting on these boards for over three years and I don't recall you EVER posting useful information. It's all about being a consummate bullshitter. You attack people and mock them for kicks. Guess what? We weren't ALL born yesterday. Everybody has an agenda. It's insulting to behave as though none of us have noticed what yours might be. Seriously. Ever think about that? I can assure you that many around these parts certainly have. It's ok, operationmindfuck... we don't take it personally.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #146
150. My Agenda Is Simple.
It is called bringing a little bit of control and rationality where necessary. This OP was a joke the way it was written. There is zero substance to it and almost nothing informative. My initial comment was relatively harmless and in direct context to what the OP wrote. The fact that you and others get so emotional with critical opinion is not of my concern. Fact is, the OP got all sorts of oversensitive and attacking just because I didn't immediately jump in line with his premise. Well tough. And your personal tirade on me is further proof that all some of you can do is attack people personally instead of addressing context. There was no need for you to butt your nose in here but like others, you only do so to take a quick attacking shot on big bad OMC. Well it's ridiculous and childish. It was the OP who got all personal and berating, not me. I merely responded in kind to his replies each time.

So please, spare me your false preaching. My agenda was merely responding to the OP with realistic bluntness towards the concept. The OP put no thoughtfulness or vital information into the post and instead posted something that came across as a bit irrational and melodramatic. When things are done in such a way an audience is lost and the point goes bye bye. There was this overdramatic declaration of how bush senior is the devil incarnate and therefore we should impeach his son. There was no connections of point a to point b nor any arguments as to why impeaching jr because of sr made any sense whatsoever. Instead, it was just an over done and over dramatized piece with little to no information. What in the world is the problem with me responding with a simple comment portraying that OP simplicity and twisted logic? Answer? Absolutely nothing. The attacks started from the OP and the others of you who just love to jump in and get your against the rules personal attacks off on big bad OMC. Well give me a friggin break. It's absurd. Your whole reply was absurd. You think you're contributing something valuable by trying to start an additional flamewar? Sorry pal, you ain't.

So excuse me if I choose to ignore any of your further provocating and nonsensical attacks, ok?

See ya.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #150
154. oh yea audience lost BULLSHIT 2950

It is called bringing a little bit of control and rationality where necessary.

Control?

This OP was a joke the way it was written.

No the joke was your friend didn't read the link


There is zero substance to it and almost nothing informative.

Maybe to you

My initial comment was relatively harmless and in direct context to what the OP wrote. The fact that you and others get so emotional with critical opinion is not of my concern. Fact is, the OP got all sorts of oversensitive and attacking just because I didn't immediately jump in line with his premise.

bullshit your friend didn't like my font size

Well tough. And your personal tirade on me is further proof that all some of you can do is attack people personally instead of addressing context. There was no need for you to butt your nose in here but like others,

and your nose wasn't butting in?

you only do so to take a quick attacking shot on big bad OMC. Well it's ridiculous and childish. It was the OP who got all personal and berating, not me.

no your friend made it personal

I merely responded in kind to his replies each time.

So please, spare me your false preaching.


so please spare me your false preaching

My agenda was merely responding to the OP with realistic bluntness towards the concept.

your agenda was clearly something else





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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #154
156. He's one of the main reasons the board has taken a rightward turn,imo.
"control"...de-railment, more like it.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #156
162. Oh Lars All You Do Is Start Trouble. Righward Turn? You've Got To Be Kidding.
I'm as solid a democrat as they come. Your personal attacks are pathetic and once again all you are doing is engaging in nonsensical personal attack for sake of provocation. It's childish and pathetic. Goodnight.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #162
164. Don't be silly!
:silly:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #154
161. You Really Need To Get Over It. You Are Being Way Too Silly With This 'Friend' Stuff, As If It Were
real.




"No the joke was your friend didn't read the link"

Don't you realize how irrational this is for you to keep claiming this absurdity? You keep wanting to put forth this ridiculous concept that we tag teamed you some how. Sorry to burst your bubble pal, but I don't think I've ever had one PM from that poster you were referencing. So you're WAY off base. It appears you are too thin skinned to handle dissent, so if even more than one person disagrees with you then they just MUST be ganging up on you in some conspiracy plot. What a joke.


There is zero substance to it and almost nothing informative.

"Maybe to you"

Maybe to a lot of people. You put this ridiculous leap of logic out there without filling in the middle or offering any real intellectual insight as to how your point makes sense or why it should be intriguing somehow. It was lazy and completely void of any real argument. Don't blame me for that and don't blame me for saying so.

My initial comment was relatively harmless and in direct context to what the OP wrote. The fact that you and others get so emotional with critical opinion is not of my concern. Fact is, the OP got all sorts of oversensitive and attacking just because I didn't immediately jump in line with his premise.

"bullshit your friend didn't like my font size"

Again with your ridiculously twisted friend stuff. Your argument with him is your argument with him. Ain't got a fuckin thing to do with me so get a grip.


Well tough. And your personal tirade on me is further proof that all some of you can do is attack people personally instead of addressing context. There was no need for you to butt your nose in here but like others,

"and your nose wasn't butting in?"

Are you fucking serious? Helloooooo!!!! This is a fucking message board! Hellooooooo!!! Wait, so are you trying to say that if someone replies to an OP they are butting in? You can't possibly be serious. What in the world kind of argument is that? Fact is, I just simply applied to your OP in a way you didn't like. Well so so sorry. It happens from time to time.


you only do so to take a quick attacking shot on big bad OMC. Well it's ridiculous and childish. It was the OP who got all personal and berating, not me.

"no your friend made it personal"

Jesus fucking christ enough with this pathetic friend shit already. You're obsessed with this friend shit. My post had not a goddamn thing to do with anything you were engaged in prior, so why the fuck do you keep bringing it up? It is BEYOND absurd.


I merely responded in kind to his replies each time.

So please, spare me your false preaching.

My agenda was merely responding to the OP with realistic bluntness towards the concept.


"your agenda was clearly something else"

No, my agenda was exactly what I said it was. I've repeatedly now defended why and offered further depth to why I criticized your post. You seem unable to comprehend why or get over it. You also have done nothing from the get go to respond within context to what my gripe is. Instead, you are obsessed with attacking personally instead.

So I'm not really sure why I'm wasting my time again with you. You are doing nothing more than continuing to perpetuate this absurdity and there is nothing productive that's gonna come from this obviously. So that's about it. See ya! :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #150
155. 42 recommondations
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #155
163. Want A Scooby Snack?
You post a thread with nothing more than the word 'impeach' and get that many recommendations. So I'm not sure it's something to be legitimately proud of.

Your post could've been good but instead you chose to make it melodramatic and void of any substance, argument or information. That wasn't my doing, it was yours. Enough of this childish bullshit already.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #163
172. Like I said, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
Want a Scooby Snack?

Talk about CHILDISH BULLSHIT. You've been rude and abrasive from DAY ONE.

"You're Doing Nothing More Than Inciting Trouble And It's Pathetic."

Your CONSTANT PROJECTIONS are becoming quite tiresome. Isn't someone due to take your shift yet?

BTW- Congrats on another successful derailment. There should be a Presidential Medal of Honor in there somewhere for ya. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!:rofl:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #172
176. Grow Up Fooj, And Enough With Your Pathetic Attacks Already.
You are engaging in the childish bullshit pal, as can be quite readily seen from your irrational insinuation that somehow someone is taking my 'shift'. Do you have any idea how delusional and false that is?

Grow up fooj. You and your little playground gang have had enough fun attacking big bad 'gotta get him no matter what he says!' OMC for one night. :rofl:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #163
175. How many times are you going to say goodbye?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #150
157. Blah, blah, blah...
Guess I hit a nerve. Didn't decide to attack posters who accused you of having an "asshole tone" did you? The only thing DRAMATIC around here is your platitudinous responses to people who call you on your constant harrassment and negative input.

Enjoy your evening. :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #157
158. I thought he went to sleep hours ago and his friend was going to hide this thread
no luck with that
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #157
165. Oh Please. You're Doing Nothing More Than Inciting Trouble And It's Pathetic.
And no, you didn't hit my nerve. I sit here laughing at how ridiculously childish some of you can be. :hi:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #165
169. That's right.
Keep PROJECTING that I'm a troublemaker. You've done me quite a favor by continuing with your petty little harrassments. Actions speak louder than words. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Isn't your shift over yet? I don't care how many times you refer to me as childish. There's no SUBSTANCE to your claim. Guess I'm just not into petty namecalling.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #169
174. And Your Actions In This Thread Have Spoken Volumes.
You have engaged in personal attack for no reason and have set out to be provocative and childish. Deny and deflect all you want but you butted your nose in not the other way around. You have gone straight for the attack and have done so in a manner blatantly against the rules. You imply these ridiculously childish and ignorant attacks of me being a freeper blah blah friggin blah as if that pathetic accusation has any legitimacy whatsoever. The substance to my claim is right here in this thread, based on your own taunting actions and childish personal attacks. You say I'm the one doing the harrassing. Oh really pal? Is your logic really that twisted?

Grow up and stop harassing me. How bout that bub. See ya.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #174
179. jah bless i and i OPERATIONMINDCRIME
tanks for posting in my thread today, you have brought attention to yourself and to the thoughts of many other folks here.

http://www.daibosatsu.org.nyud.net:8090/images/jizo.gif
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #179
185. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #31
88. You're bitching about font size?
seamslikeadream has been one of the most informative DUers over the years.
You haven't done squat in comparison.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. It's background OPERATIONMINDCRIME
BACKGROUND

Do you see where those apples are?





BTW What took you so long to get here?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
143. Not to worry. Little Lord Pissypants is going to bring down Poppy
all on his own. No need to reach back 15 years. We've got the little FUCKTARD screwing everything up for the BFEE. No wonder his old man cries in public.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #143
151. Can Ya Blame Him?
I couldn't imagine the public embarrassment that must come from being his father.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #151
159. Who gives a shit if Poppy is embarrassed?
You reap what you sow.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #159
166. I Don't Know. Ask Around.
Did someone say they gave a shit? :shrug:
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #16
160. The Constitution is vague on that
If an ex president can in any way be considered a civil officer of the US by the fact that they are ex's then they are fair game.
If not then it is most likely not allowable.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:03 PM
Response to Original message
33. K & R!
:hi:

:kick:
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:06 PM
Response to Original message
35. Oh PUH-LEEZE!
Everyone knows that Michael Moore just made all that stuff up. The Bush family are all angels, on a life mission to bring goodness to mankind. :eyes:

.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
37. Bandar was getting 100 MILLION POUNDS PER YEAR!
My source is the Financial Times:



BAE ‘secretly paid’ Saudi prince

By Stephen Fidler and Christopher Adams in London and Jean Eaglesham in Heiligendamm

Published: June 7 2007 00:00 | Last updated: June 7 2007 13:48

BAE Systems paid more than £100m a year to Saudi Arabia’s former ambassador to Washington over more than a decade in connection with Britain’s biggest ever defence contract, according to British media reports.

The reports, from the BBC Panorama programme and The Guardian, alleged that sums equivalent to £30m a quarter were paid to Prince Bandar bin Sultan. Prince Bandar, now a national security adviser to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, is the son of the Saudi defence minister, Prince Sultan.

BAE has consistently denied allegations that there was anything illegal in payments it made in association with the £43bn Al Yamamah contract under which it supplied Tornado warplanes, Hawk training aircraft and other defence equipment to Saudi Arabia. BAE acted in accordance with relevant contracts, with Saudi government approval and where appropriate that of the UK, a spokesman said.

A corruption probe by the UK’s Serious Fraud Office was halted in December because of what the head of the SFO, Robert Wardle, cited as representations that continuing it would have jeopardised national security.

Officials said pressure from the Saudi government, including from Prince Bandar, had been a key factor in the decision, which was backed by Prime Minister Tony Blair.

On Thursday, Mr Blair stood by the decision, saying it would have made a ``complete wreckage’’ of relations with Saudi Arabia. “I don’t believe the investigation would have led anywhere except for the complete wreckage of a vital relationship for our country, quite apart from the fact that we would have lost thousands and thousands of British jobs,’’ Mr Blair told journalists at the Group of Eight summit in Heiligendamm, Germany.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e37553d2-147f-11dc-88cb-000b5df10621.html




£ 100 Million is lots, except for the BFEE. To them, that’s chump change.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #37
62. I think Prince Bandar and Prince Turki al Faisal were complicit
with Osama Bin Laden and the Bushistas in pulling off 9/11. This is one of the reasons he has fallen out of favor with the Saudi royals alongside the other two, bin Laden and el Faisal. Of course my tinfoil hat is on :tinfoilhat: because the evidence is circumstantial. But my money is still on it and hopefully, if there is a God, a smoking gun will be found to prove this before they all flee to Uruguay or wherever their planned safe houses are.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
68. You don't say...
:wow:



:D

:hi:

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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:15 PM
Response to Original message
45. I have to agree with Buzz Clik
Herbert's elaborate network of shady connections is not sufficient grounds to impeach W. He has his own laundry list of impeachable offenses, and this compilation, while impressive, is wholly irrelevant to the House of Representatives bringing charges against #43.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Then you agree with me because Buzz twisted my words
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. You've cleared up your original intent (after much prompting), but ...
... you mentioned crimes committed and impeachment in your OP, and never once mentioned GWB. But you did directly and openly point out the transgressions of GWHB.

No twisting of words was required to misinterpret your meaning.

We do, however, appreciate you clearing this up for us.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Maybe if YOU had read the link and not jumped to conclusions
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 12:26 PM by seemslikeadream
YOU wouldn't haven't needed the clearing up.

It seems that only 3 needed help


Did ya read this from the link?


But Prescott Bush's dealings with the Nazis do more than illustrate a family pattern of genteel treason and war profiteering—from George Senior's sale of TOW missiles to Iran at the same time he was selling biological and chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein, to Junior's zany misadventures in crony capitalism in present-day Iraq.

More disturbing by far are the many eerie parallels between Adolph Hitler and George W. Bush:

A conservative, authoritarian style, with public appearances in military uniform (which no previous American president has ever done while in office). Government by secrecy, propaganda and deception. Open assaults on labor unions and workers' rights. Preemptive war and militant nationalism. Contempt for international law and treaties. Suspiciously convenient "terrorist" attacks, to justify a police state and the suspension of liberties. A carefully manufactured image of "The Leader," who's still just a "regular guy" and a "moderate." "Freedom" as the rationale for every action. Fantasy economic growth, based on unprecedented budget deficits and massive military spending.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. Are you saying that Congress should impeach Bush the Elder?
He's been out of office for 14 1/2 years. Only a sitting office-holder can be impeached.

Sorry I'm still confused as to what the OP is saying, but somehow the subsequent posts haven't cleared that up.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Did you bother to read the lilnk?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:25 PM
Response to Original message
53. Could someone really explain to me what exactly the
illuminati is? None of the web search information I have read makes much sense to me, yet these people, whom we also call neo-conservatives, keep popping up as being illuminati.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #53
94. Has to do with a Secret Society, a Lodge from the 18th century...
...the idea being that secret knowledge gave the in-group power over the masses. Many of the founders of the USA were supposedly Free Masons. Several founders also were alleged to have experienced "Cosmic Consciousness," the idea of having that Zen moment where everything makes sense and one understands instantly one's connection with the cosmos, etc. The Illuminati are today's souped-up Skull & Bones types.

Sorry to be so short, Cleita. I'm at the rabbit and can't devote much time. But here are details (sroll down for lots o' links)...

Secret Societies{/b]

http://www.geocities.com/lord_visionary/secretsocietyindex.htm

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #94
119. Thanks so much Octafish. You always come through. n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #53
97. This is much better...
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:28 PM
Response to Original message
56. Have any of the snarky posters read the Online Journal link in the OP?
Pretty chilling stuff, IMO. Bitching about font sizes seems to be really beside the point.

The Bush family is EVIL and ALL of it is relevant.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. Yes thanks rhiannon55
:hi:

Maybe they don't understand I can't post the whole article that's why there's link!

But I guess it's more important to trash the typeface if ya haven't got anything else.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. Thanks dream for the info.
I know there are those who would rather nitpick than discuss. Those I can ignore.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #61
71. Except for a few lobotomised gorillas, most appreciate information
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 12:46 PM by Swamp Rat
:D :hi:


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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #61
117. It's a shame when someone replies merely to comment on how a post looks.
 
 seemslikeadream (1000+ posts)
Tue May-15-07 07:23 AM 
Response to Reply #51 
 
 
 52. but it was such a pretty post
how can you argue with it?

http://www.thememoryhole.org.nyud.net:8090/war/coffin_photos/dover/tn_DSC_0107.jpg The 9/11 Timeline: http://www.complete911timeline.org Don't miss the new 9/11 documentary, 9/11: Press for Truth http://www.911pressfortruth.comp

 

- Make7
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #117
118. I am so impressed with you Make7
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 04:48 PM by seemslikeadream
A screen shot of my post that's so flattering, and btw it seems to me that was a compliment wasn't it?

Must be some kind of misunderstanding :shrug:

You know how that 9/11 forum gets occasionally but we all know you wouldn't stoop to that kind of thing now would you?


Is that what took you so long to get here, finding that post? Are things that slow in the dungeon?
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:44 PM
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130. I'll have to assume you also meant that as a compliment.
Although it doesn't really feel like one for some reason.

seemslikeadream wrote:
A screen shot of my post that's so flattering, and btw it seems to me that was a compliment wasn't it?

Must be some kind of misunderstanding :shrug:

First, that isn't a screen shot. And yes, it must be some kind of misunderstanding. If I had known you meant that as a compliment I would probably have thanked you. Kind of like this:

 seemslikeadream (1000+ posts)
Thu Mar-08-07 1:07 PM 
Response to Reply #7 
 
 
 9. Thanks Make7

http://www.thememoryhole.org.nyud.net:8090/war/coffin_photos/dover/tn_DSC_0107.jpg The 9/11 Timeline: http://www.complete911timeline.ong Don't miss the new 9/11 documentary, 9/11: Press for Truth http://www.911pressfortruth.com

 

No, wait - that's you thanking me. Where have we gone so wrong?


And just for the record, I would never stoop to complimenting someone - that's really hitting below the belt.

- Make7
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #130
132. Oh my you've caught me being nice
such a rare event! :sarcasm: will use when necessary
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:31 PM
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137. So were you being nice or sarcastic when you commented on my post...
... by saying, "but it was such a pretty post how can you argue with it?" And were you being sincere or sarcastic when you said that it seemed to you that your comment was a compliment?

When you implied that I would stoop to that kind of thing, did you mean that I would stoop to complimenting someone, or that I would stoop to sarcasm? Or perhaps your comment regarding what I would or would not do wasn't sarcasm at all - which would mean that you think I actually wouldn't stoop to that kind of thing. Perhaps that was just another instance of you being nice.

If this is some kind of misunderstanding, your last post doesn't seem to clear matters up much.

- Make7
And I was expecting an emotional appeal with pictures and everything.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #117
122. Where are ya Make7? Here I'll MAKE it a bit easier for you
Here's a link to my journal maybe you can find something else there, 20,000 posts I'm sure you can come up with some good stuff. :hi:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/seemslikeadream
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #117
126. or here could be something crappy here - Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:25 PM
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167. I've Read Far Better Connections And Opinions From DU'ers Themselves Without Having To Care About
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 08:33 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
the loony and confusingly put personal opinions of some other dude on some obscure website. The editorial in the link makes the author of it look like a lunatic, especially with his MIHOP garbage.

I'm already aware of many of Prescott Bush, and Sr's doings. Many DU'ers have been very good about supplying info on that stuff in the past. But that wasn't my gripe. My gripe was with the nonsensical way in which the OP was written and how it was completely void of connecting the two logically.

To just go through a SR tirade and expect the reader to now feel justified that jr should be impeached, was just quite silly in my opinion. It came off as needlessly dramatic and a bit wacky. There is nothing wrong with my saying so.

The OP could've at least TRIED to connect the dots or offer some thoughtful opinion on why they relate or why he believes that because sr is so evil, jr should be impeached. It is a huge leap of faith.

The fact is, if one is to make an impeachment argument it would be a bit better if they provided rational facts about all of the things jr has done himself that warrants impeachment. Putting forth a dramatic and over done OP of "Bush sr is evil so we must impeach his son!" is just useless. But you feel differently, so whatever.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:39 PM
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64. Here ya go.....





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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. is not a "theory." It's fact.
That—whether it's heroin from Southeast Asia in the '60s and '70s, or cocaine from Central America and heroin from Afghanistan in the '80s, or cocaine from Colombia in the '90s, or heroin from Afghanistan today—no major CIA covert operation has ever lacked a drug smuggling component, and that the CIA has hired Nazis, fascists, drug dealers, arms smugglers, mass murderers, perverts, sadists, terrorists and the Mafia, is not "theory." It's fact.

That the international oil industry is the dominant player in the global economy; that the Bush family has a decades-long business relationship with the Saudi royal family, Saudi oil money, and the family of Osama bin Laden; that, as president, both George Bushes have favored the interests of oil companies over the public interest; that both George Bushes have personally profited financially from Middle East oil; and that American oil companies doubled their records for quarterly profits in the months just preceding the invasion of Iraq, is not "theory." It's fact.

That the 2000 presidential election was deliberately stolen; that the pro-Bush/anti-Gore bias in the corporate media had spiked markedly in the last three weeks of the campaign; that corporate media were then virtually silent about the Florida recount; and that the Bush 2000 team had planned to challenge the legitimacy of the election if George W had won the popular, but lost the electoral vote—exactly what happened to Gore—is not "theory." It's fact.

That the intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was deceptively "cooked" by the Bush administration; that anybody paying attention to people like former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, knew before the invasion that the weapons were a hoax; and that American forces in Iraq today are applying the same brutal counterinsurgency tactics pioneered in Central America in the 1980s, under the direct supervision of then-Vice President George HW Bush, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That "Rebuilding America's Defenses," the Project for a New American Century's 2000 report, and "The Grand Chessboard," a book published a few years earlier by Trilateral Commission co-founder Zbigniew Brzezinski, both recommended a more robust and imperial US military presence in the oil basin of the Middle East and the Caspian region; and that both also suggested that American public support for this energy crusade would depend on public response to a new "Pearl Harbor," is not "theory." It's fact.


http://onlinejournal.org/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #64
82. Give me a fucking break
*That's* your argument? Grow up.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. Here's your fucking break:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. I thought you were going to hide this thread? AND it's NOT tinfoil
It's fact
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. You didn't say "please." And you're right -- it goes waaaay beyond tinfoil.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:46 PM
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86. You offered I didn't ask you to Yes way beyond tinfoil - THE TRUTH
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #86
89. The truth. Right. GWHB played a role in JFK's assassination.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Well he was a bit young but he was in Dallas that day with his mother
It's TRUE
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:57 PM
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91. and... the rest? He was somehow involved? Or was it his mom?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. the rest?
could we be a little more specific? Let's take one accusation at a time, ok? Just for clarity.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. Here's the documentation about bush in Dallas from Michael Beschloss interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1568810#1576221

"I heard Michael Beschloss say that very thing on Imus this morning. He didn't say where he discovered it but he did say it was new to him. He also said that the night before at a dinner Johnson said to Kennedy "I'll be glad to get you out of Dallas alive". Bescholss said that was new to him."
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:39 PM
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65. k&r-criminals have taken over every branch of government..
and someone is concerned about your font size- scary. All I ever want is for everyone to understand what these people are-all the way back to Dallas. If everyone knew, we could somehow wake up from this nightmare, and it could never happen again.Lately it seemed like the truth was getting out-Poppy's public bawling,etc.I'm getting hopeful- then this morning I find this:

HBO, Playtone plan JFK miniseries
Hanks, Paxton set to produce 'History'

HBO is near a deal with Playtone that will turn Vincent Bugliosi's 1,632-page book "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" into a miniseries.
Ten-parter will debunk long-held conspiracy theories and establish that assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.




it's a ten part mini-series based on Bugliosi's book you see, OSWALD WAS THE KOOKY LONE GUNMAN, OK?
SOMETIMES IT'S ALL JUST TOO MUCH TO TAKE
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. font size- scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rofl:

Thanks JennasLiver
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. thank you for posting "paranoid shift"
in my opinion, it can't be posted enough-if only everyone would read it...
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:50 PM
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74. I got the point of the OP. Seems fairly clear-cut, but
Many people who post on this website suffer from the white, male privilegeatosis (my own diagnosis). seemslikeadream, you've had to deal with a few of them on this thread.

They subconsciously realize that they benefit, directly or indirectly, by the White, christian, patriarchal society, including everything you listed above. They don't want their power diminished in any way even if it has nothing to do with them specifically. They relate to people like GWHB and his ilk. And instead of questioning their privilege and sense of entitlement, they deflect and obfuscate the issues and turn on their faux outrage. It's too predictable. Especially for some.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:52 PM
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76. If these 'people' aren't held accountable, they'll just do it over and over and over again!!!
END THE ABUSE, ENFORCE THE RULE OF LAW, REINSTATE A DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTION, NOW!!!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:54 PM
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77. why do peeps who makes sense otherwise insist on bringing in The Illuminati?
please, it so weakens the argument that it can't be made. Try to stay in the reality-based community, k?


(not that I'm not ready to be convinced that there is such a thing. Just haven't been convinced yet)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:49 PM
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87. Skull & Bones
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #87
101. I'm not skeptical on Skull and Bones. I know they run "The West"
it's the "Illuminati" I find fictional at this point, although I guess I can accept them as a metaphorical influence of cultish Judeo-Christian Scholars over history since the Crusades. Just not literally.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:31 AM
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210. They no longer exist
And the anti-illuminati hysterics are actually the remnants of both Monarchistic and religious hatred of the organization. In truth if you look at the writings of those involved in the 'so-called' illuminati you will find many connections to the philosphers that spoke in favor of a free and democratic society. Both the Vatican and the royalty of various European kingdoms had a lot of reason to tell lies about what the illuminati was.

This is one of my main complaints with this long laundry list. Though many individual points on it are worthy of note and definitely should be examined more closely, there is the occasional inclusion of some wild random bit that tends to pull the whole piece down.

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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:34 AM
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211. As to the Bonesmen
I believe the organization is merely a nexus point for people that already are born into powerful settings and situations. In some ways it might serve as a social binding agent but really it isn't that important in it of itself. Additionally the inclusion of people that are not part of the powerful crowd converts it into a red herring from which little useful information can be garnered.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 07:41 PM
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226. a little history
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #101
231. Many names, same aim.
They don’t want you to know about them. They have knowledge that keeps you in your place, if everyone knew; they would lose their power. Knowing about them is hard, hard when you first learn and worse as you try to get to the core. It actually doesn’t benefit you to know, but I think the people who try to teach others, do it from an incredible sense of responsibility for humankind.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 12:57 PM
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80. Chalmers Johnson
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 01:01 PM by seemslikeadream
The Sorrows of Empire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0


Hijacking Catastrophe
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3320922145165829917


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0913-02.htm

Hijacking Catastrophe” Fills a Void Left by Journalists’ Failures
by Robert Jensen

I’m a former full-time journalist turned journalism professor. I continue to commit occasional acts of journalism, and I retain a deep affection for, and commitment to, the craft and its ideals. That’s why it pains me to say this: The performance of the U.S. corporate commercial news media after 9/11 has been the most profound and dangerous failure of journalism in my lifetime.

That’s the bad news. The good news is that the void is being filled by other institutions, including the Media Education Foundation with its new documentary, “Hijacking Catastrophe: 9/11, Fear & the Selling of American Empire.”

That performance of journalists in the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq was so abysmal that the country’s top two daily newspapers, the Washington Post and New York Times, eventually were forced to engage in a bit of self-criticism, albeit shallow and inadequate. The U.S. news media’s willingness to serve as a largely uncritical conduit for the lies, half-truths, and distortions the Bush administration used to create the pretext for war showed how easily journalists can become de facto agents of a state propaganda campaign, which in this case mobilized public support for an illegal war.

But the lies that led to the Iraq War are only part of a bigger story, the most important story of the past three years: The Bush administration’s manipulation of the tragedy of 9/11 to extend and intensify the longstanding U.S. project of empire building (and the complicity of most Democrats in that endeavor).

No publication or network in the mainstream of U.S. journalism has offered an independent, critical analysis of that project. Only a few journalists, mostly on the margins, have even dared to take a crack at it. The best consistent work has been in the foreign press or the alternative media in the United States.

This also has been the year of the political documentary, and “Hijacking Catastrophe” is the best film in this genre to date.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:21 PM
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96. k&r
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:47 PM
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100. JFKll The Bush Connection
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:57 PM
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102. I've been taking a break..
from DU, but I guess I didn't stay away long enough...I tried to read through the responses, but many were a little difficult to decipher because of ignores obvious redundancy. I love the treasure-trove of information you provide seemslikeadream, but I hate the nit-picking jerks who just love to ruin what would have been a pleasurable learning experience. I wish there were a discussion forum for people who like to discuss,..history, logic, and such... sans the bullshit. Oh well...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #102
105. jah bless i and i stillcool47
they serve their purpose, it really doesn't affect me, tomorrow I will have forgotten what they posted but now you and hopefully others will never forget their names and their tactics, font size? Is that all they got?


We will struggle forever, it is our destiny

Song of Choice

Early every year the seeds are growing
Unseen, unheard they lie beneath the ground
Would you know before their leaves are showing
That with weeds all your garden will abound?

If you close your eyes, stop your ears
Shut your mouth then how can you know ?
For seeds you cannot hear may not be there
Seeds you cannot see may never grow

In January you've still got the choice
You can cut the weeds before they start to bud
If you leave them to grow high they'll silence your voice
And in December you may pay with your blood

So close your eyes, stop your ears,
Shut your mouth and take it slow
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

Every day another vulture takes flight
There's another danger born every morning
In the darkness of your blindness the beast will learn to bite
How can you fight if you can't recognise a warning?

Today you may earn a living wage
Tomorrow you may be on the dole
Though there's millions going hungry you needn't disengage
For it's them, not you, that's fallen in the hole

It's alright for you if you run with the pack
It's alright if you agree with all they do



If fascism is slowly climbing back



It's not here yet so what's it got to do with you?

The weeds are all around us and they're growing
It'll soon be too late for the knife
If you leave them on the wind that around the world is blowing
You may pay for your silence with your life

So close your eyes, stop your ears,
Shut your mouth and never dare
And if it happens here they'll never come for you
Because they'll know you really didn't care

Peggy Seeger



Wild Irish Girl
Huntress drew the sketch while on the Ann Parry in 1842. (Courtesy of Portsmouth Athenaeum)
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:03 PM
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103. George W. Bush and his pResidency are fruit from a poisoned tree.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:06 PM
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104. Thank you, dream. I couldn't go to bat for you because of the "ignored" in the thread
Heaven knows who was arguing you for what, but it confirms my wisdom in finally shutting them up, on my screen at least.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #104
180. Again proving that you choose your Ignore list very wisely
Rest assured you didn't miss a thing :D.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:25 PM
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106. You had my attention until you mentioned "Illuminati"
You had my attention until "Illuminati" was mentioned... :eyes:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. so - throw out everything else, huh?
:eyes:
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #108
213. Not throwing it out...
Not throwing it out, just disregarding it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:14 PM
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214. Tired of Being Lied to? Modern History You Can't Afford to Ignore
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 03:31 PM
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107. Bush's own grandfather PROFITED OFF AUSCHWITZ!!!
I can prove this on an Etch-A-Sketch.

Hell, I can prove this in dirt using a stick to make primitive drawings.

Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush had business ties to the THIRD REICH. His businesses directly profited from the mass murders at Auschwitz. What makes anyone think they haven't learned a thing or two from Nazi Germany? Those Bush - Hitler comparisons aren't conspiracy theory - they are more than accurate!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #107
113. It gets worse
After being modestly hit for these activities they still got to keep the "investment" monies for further all-American exploits.

But the list can go back a little further to the great grandfather who helped provide weaponry for the Germans in WWI to help mow down American doughboys.

As well as letting big Nazi corporaions and multinationals weasel into new incarnations such as Big Pharma, American companies and investors and ideological RW villains got a much bigger pass. Forced to dismanbtle a huge chunk of the global efforts they probably rewarded the FFDR Dems with bitter resentment and the long road to RW erecovery that has become the degenerate GOP. Postwar efforts include shifting the language of "Fifth Columnists" and traitors toward the Stalinist network and communism bogeyman. During the war attention had begun to shift to these people who before during and after the war were a real danger of subverting, selling out and twisting their nation toward appeasement, collaboration, alliance and eventually overthrow of democratic regimes that were eating into their profit margins.

Mostly they got rewarded and the major setback was only their own self-destruction and joininhg the ranks after Pearl Harbor. The issue is much bigger than the Bush dynasty and shows why, despite the name of healing and national good, NO people causing RW war for profit and destruction of democracy should be left unnaccountable. Ever.

But they have consistently gone from escape to higher and higher multi-generational crimes on a fixed agenda. Whatever the Nuremberg fiends deserved it would have been better for the world had they bankrupted and hanged the traitorous part of the plutocracy at whatever cost to the economy at that time.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #113
116. I cant wait until this admin is over and we start having our own Nuremburg trials
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 04:29 PM by EOO
Actually, come to think of it, I'd much prefer that to impeachment. We can get both Cheney and Bush on the stands, along with Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice, Powell, Wolfowitz, and anyone else who was involved in the structuring and handling of this war. Then the entire world will know how badly this administration fucked up and we will never get any of them elected again.

Hell, I bet the folly of the Bush family crimes goes back further than WWI. Who knows how many of them have meddled in our government?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:48 PM
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131. And he has TWO middle names.
:eyes:

Ya know, this is the same thing that many Repubs do to Ted Kennedy. Ted has to be crooked because Joseph Kennedy made tons of money selling booze during and after Prohibition.

Perhaps it would be better to use actual facts to indict * rather than hyperbole and intrigue.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #131
133. They can not link Kennedys to the Holocaust
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 06:08 PM by seemslikeadream
booze and genocide are two different things

on edit

THOSE ARE FACTS
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #133
142. OK...lets use your reasoning
Using FACTS, you link the current president to the Holocaust? He is somehow guilty of war crimes that occurred before he was born?


C'mon. Lets get him for his crimes, not his fathers' or his grandfathers'.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:39 PM
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171. I think the point really is that treason has been a Bush family tradition
for three generations.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:23 PM
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186. he is a continuation of the filth of his father and grandfather
That's right lets get him for his crimes because his father and grandfather were NEVER held accountable, that's my point.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:27 PM
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168. HEAR HEAR!!!!!
That is exactly my point as well. You, however, said it even better with the Ted Kennedy analogy.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:09 PM
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178. Well...
I have heard that Kennedy barb a few times from some acquaintances.

I see I missed all of the fireworks upthread!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 06:27 PM
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135. Bush/US accused of "disappearing" children.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:06 PM
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145. Olof Palme Assassination
Recap: 1986 on the 28th of February the then prime-minister of Sweden, Olof Palme, was assassinated on Sveavägen in the center of Stockholm. The killer was never found and the only one who was ever brought to trial for it was aquitted.



http://skog.de/enpalme2.htm

Unsubstantiated reports
A wire was 3 days before the murder sent from Licio Gelli, grand master of the Italian freemason-lodge P2 (Propagande Due), to Philip Guarino, a close confidant to then vice president George Bush with the text "Tell our friend that the Swedish tree will be felled". P2 is linked to terrorbombings, kidnapping and murder.
In a radiointerview in L.A. ´97 former CIA agent Gene Tatum revealed that a special operations team, Operation Sub-Groups (OSG) , created by veep George Bush, was behind the murder.
A tip of South African and SÄPO involvement came from the director of Swedish civil defence organization and claimed that an Englishman known to him had this info from MI6. The tape of this disappeared.
American politician, Alan Cranston, is reported to have recieved a letter from a prisoner in California with allegations that WACL (World anticommunist league) had planned the murder. The letter disappeared en route US ministry and Swedish embassy in Washington.

Many other reports came in to the press or the investigation. Much disappeared and some was explained but usually not convincingly.

Substantiated reports
Craig Williamson, agent from South African BOSS, was definitely in Stockholm the days before and after the murder.
S-A Police Colonel Eugene de Kock gave ´96 evidence in a court in Pretoria that he had first hand knowledge that Craig Williamson organized the murder under "Operation Longreach".
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:42 PM
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173. (fnord)
I believe the evidence clearly demonstrates that George H.W. Bush died after being shot down in 1944 and was subsequently replaced by Adam Weishaupt, thereby giving the Illuminati unfettered access to and control of the highest levels of American industry and government.

Think about it. It makes sense.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:08 PM
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177. Seemslikeadream I think you might like my boy-friend's journal
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 09:12 PM by nam78_two
He is all tin-foiley (he posts here as ftr23532), but he researches this stuff a lot and has a lot of academic interest in it:

http://fortherecordessays.blogspot.com/

He is a mostly follow the money kind of guy and has been researching Operation Greenquest for a while. He like Dave Emory's radio show a lot. Your post was very interesting (I am not quite down with the whole Illuminati thing but aside from that ;) ). Anyway aside from that a big K&R.

Ignore the people who didn't even bother to read your link and went into "ROFL you so silly, your font size so bad" mode. There is a lot of stuff that isn't part of the common knowledge, which is stil well-documented history and it is just ignorant to assume that all tin-foilers are crazy nut-jobs.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:14 PM
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182. Thanks nam78_two
yes I remember his posts they were always great. :hi:


Don't worry I've got my friend with me and I am at peace

http://www.daibosatsu.org.nyud.net:8090/images/jizo.gif
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:17 PM
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183. Henry Ford as well! eom
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:33 PM
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187. General Motors
Hitler's Carmaker: The Inside Story of How General Motors Helped Mobilize the Third Reich (Part 1)
http://hnn.us/articles/37935.html


Hitler's Carmaker: As the Nazis Amassed Power, What Did GM Know and When? (Part 2)
http://hnn.us/articles/38255.html


Hitler's Carmaker: From War Profiteering to Undermining Mass Transit (Part 3)
http://hnn.us/articles/38526.html

Hitler's Carmaker: How Will Posterity Remember General Motors' Conduct? (Part 4)
http://hnn.us/articles/38829.html
Read entry | Discuss (0 comments) | Remove from Journal | Add/Edit Intro
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:37 PM
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188. EDWIN BLACK
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.




http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

How American corporate philanthropies launched a national campaign of ethnic cleansing in the United States, helped found and fund the Nazi eugenics of Hitler and Mengele — and then created the modern movement of "human genetics."


In the first three decades of the 20th Century, American corporate philanthropy combined with prestigious academic fraud to create the pseudoscience eugenics that institutionalized race politics as national policy. The goal: create a superior, white, Nordic race and obliterate the viability of everyone else.

How? By identifying so-called "defective" family trees and subjecting them to legislated segregation and sterilization programs. The victims: poor people, brown-haired white people, African Americans, immigrants, Indians, Eastern European Jews, the infirm and really anyone classified outside the superior genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists. The main culprits were the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune, in league with America's most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Harvard, Yale and Princeton, operating out of a complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island. The eugenic network worked in tandem with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the State Department and numerous state governmental bodies and legislatures throughout the country, and even the U.S. Supreme Court. They were all bent on breeding a eugenically superior race, just as agronomists would breed better strains of corn. The plan was to wipe away the reproductive capability of the weak and inferior.

Ultimately, 60,000 Americans were coercively sterilized — legally and extra-legally. Many never discovered the truth until decades later. Those who actively supported eugenics include America's most progressive figures: Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger and Oliver Wendell Holmes.

American eugenic crusades proliferated into a worldwide campaign, and in the 1920s came to the attention of Adolf Hitler. Under the Nazis, American eugenic principles were applied without restraint, careening out of control into the Reich's infamous genocide. During the pre-War years, American eugenicists openly supported Germany's program. The Rockefeller Foundation financed the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the work of its central racial scientists. Once WWII began, Nazi eugenics turned from mass sterilization and euthanasia to genocidal murder. One of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute doctors in the program financed by the Rockefeller Foundation was Josef Mengele who continued his research in Auschwitz, making daily eugenic reports on twins. After the world recoiled from Nazi atrocities, the American eugenics movement — its institutions and leading scientists — renamed and regrouped under the banner of an enlightened science called human genetics.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:19 PM
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184. the President and Attorney General are engaged in a criminal conspiracy.
so says that wacky :tinfoilhat: Nadler


NADLER: I think the one issue that hasn't gotten enough attention is the overwhelming obviousness of the fact that this entire warrantless wiretapping is illegal and the President and Attorney General are engaged in a criminal conspiracy. I mean, to me this is worse than Watergate. I don't understand why -- yes, it got in the press a little...yes, this is illegal, no it's not, because we have this power. Well, the Supreme Court says you don't have that power. There is no shadow of a claim at this point. And it's incredible.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3306562
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:39 PM
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190. k&r.eom
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 10:00 PM
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197. kicked and R#47. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:14 PM
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201. Scandal: Jonathan Bush
Now that the children have left the building may I continue?

Inside the Mind of Gloria Brame: Media Covers Up Bush/Riggs ...
... The move solidified the relationship between Jonathan Bush and Riggs ... Riggs denies any connection between Bush and the ... domain, when reporting the scandal at Riggs ...
http://gloriabrame.typepad.com/inside_the_mind_of_gloria/2004/05/media_covers_up.html - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

TPJ.org
... Jonathan Bush was a Yale classmate of William Donaldson, George W. Bush's second chair of ... Bush Appointee Corportate or Campaign Scandal Corporate Welfare ...
www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers/pioneers_view.jsp?id=158 - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

TPJ.org
... Jordan was George W. Bush's personal attorney during an early scandal. ... tens of thousands of dollars from the Riggs bank account (see Jonathan Bush) of Saudi ...
www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers/pioneers_view.jsp?id=628 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages
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TalkLeft: Bush's Uncle is Head of Bank Fined in Money Laundering ...
... 80s." According to Public Citizen, the uncle Jonathan was a Bush Pioneer, having ... Between this latest scandal, Neil's S&L thievery, and questionable Saudi ...
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/006540.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

I Stole the Head of Prescott Bush! More Scary Skull and Bones ...
... of a young child to an Apache tribal official in an apparent attempt to hush up a potential Bush family scandal. ... (A message left at Jonathan Bush’s number in ...
www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=2947 - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

Webguild Sentinel Bush Family Hustle
... trust, yet his evasions about his own dealings and recent campaigning with brother Jeb immerse him within a family financial scandal of alarming ... JONATHAN BUSH. ...
www.webguild.com/sentinel/bush_family_hustle.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

Top Bush Scandals of 2003, Part II
... Why hasn't this scandal been front-and-center on the networks and ... reveal if those funds came from her Riggs Bank account where Bush's uncle Jonathan is a ...
www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=18951 - 37k - Cached - Similar pages

GWB uncle mentionned in terrorist funding scandal
... GWB uncle mentionned in terrorist funding scandal « on: May 19, 2004, 05 ... drew attention yesterday to the fact that President Bush's uncle, Jonathan J. Bush ...
http://discuss.agonist.org/yabbse/index.php?board=1 ;action=display;threadid=19607 - 28k - Cached - Similar pages

SKULL and BONES
... Arizona Republic, entitled ``Skull for Scandal: Did Bush's ... Post, the document which Bush attorney Endicott ... inappropriate for you, me or anyone ...
www.pa56.org/skullandbones.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:17 PM
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202. Corporate Mercenaries - Executive Outcomes Leads to Bush



Executive Outcomes is the most infamous mercenary company in operation today. Unlike traditional mercenary companies, it operates as the heavy partner in a web of related companies. Sandline international is such a sister company: 170 elite South African dogs of war were hired to crush the Bougainville freedom Fighters for $22m. Just another job for the likes of Sandline international? Paul Vernon investigates...

Set up in 1993 by Tony Buckingham and Simon Mannl <1>, Executive outcomes (EO) has worked in Asia, Africa and South America. Most of it's personnel are hired from South Africa.

Buckingham is the chief executive of Heritage Oil and Gas, which is now registered in the (tax-free) Bahamas. When EO was hired by the Sierra Leone government to crush people's revolt, Heritage received much of the payment in the form of mining rights. Sir David Steel MP happens to be a director of Heritage as well as a close friend of Buckingham. Recently Sierra Leone was thrown back into chaos with another military coup.

Eeben Barlow, the present CEO of Executive Outcomes, is a veteran of the Civil Co-operation Bureau, which allegedly assassinated antiapartheid activists. Barlow is the frontman for the group he told Newsweek (2) in February: "I'm a professional soldier. It's not about politics. I have a job to do. I do it." EO is thought to have a annual turnover of more that £20 million.

The South African government, with help from officials from the United Nations, has begun to draft proposals of legislation aimed to counter what officials called "the increasing frequency with which our soldiers-of-fortune are operating overseas".(7)

http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/magazine/issue4/cw4f8.html

Executive Outcomes ties lead to London and Bush
Executive Intelligence Review January 31, 1997, pp. 42-43
by Roger Moore and Linda de Hoyos

Exposes appearing on both sides of the Atlantic on the mercenary group Executive Outcomes, threaten to blow the lid off the British intelligence nexus already identified as responsible for the February 1986 murder of Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, and for the current cataclysmic destabilization of Africa on behalf of circles associated with the Queen of England's Privy Council and Sir George Bush.
The exposes appeared in the French daily {Le Figaro} on Jan. 16, the {London Observer} on Jan. 17, and the February issue of the American magazine {Harper's.}
Executive Outcomes is the mercenary arm of a vast
network of British-South African corporations dealing in gold, diamonds, and oil, primarily, but not exclusively, in Africa, that come under the umbrella of Strategic Resources Corporation, headquartered in Pretoria, South Africa. Described universally as an ``advance guard of a corporate network that includes mining, oil, and construction companies,'' Executive Outcomes is active in 13 African countries, including Uganda. For its services, it demands a lien or franchise on the exportable raw resources, particularly mineral wealth, of the client country--in the same fashion as the British East India Company of the 18th and 19th centuries, which in turn functioned as the ``advance guard'' of the British monarchy.
Executive Outcomes was incorporated offshore, on the Isle of Man, in 1993, by Anthony Buckingham, a British businessman, and Simon Mann, a former British officer, the {Observer} reported, based on a leak to it from British intelligence. Buckingham is also chief executive of Heritage Oil and Gas, which in turn is linked to the Canadian firm Ranger Oil. Other firms operating out of the same headquarters in Chelsea Plaza 107, London, include Branch International Ltd. and Branch Mining Ltd.
Preliminary investigation by {EIR} has further determined that Executive Outcomes lies at the heart of the British monarch's raw materials cartels and secret intelligence operations, in conjunction with Bush's rogue apparat:
Through Sir David Steel, a former leader of the Liberal Party, Executive Outcomes and, presumably, its deployment, is a subsumed operation of the Queen's Privy Council. Steel is a close friend of EO's Buckingham, and is on the board of directors of EO's sister firm, Heritage Oil and Gas, according to {Le Figaro.} In 1977, Steel was inducted into the Privy Council, making him the youngest member of Britain's highest-level policy-making body.
The links between Executive Outcomes and Ranger Oil point to operational ties with the Bronfman family of Canada, whose scion, Edgar Bronfman of Toronto Broncorp, sits on the board of directors of Ranger. Recently, the Bronfman family merged its mammoth real estate firm, Trizec, with Barrick Gold, whose senior advisory board includes Sir George Bush. Barrick Gold is deeply involved in northeastern Zaire, where it has purchased 83,000 square kilometers of land. Zairean sources report that the so-called Zairean rebel Laurent Kabila is no more than a mercenary for Barrick and Anglo American Corp., sponsored by the British Crown-backed Ugandan and Rwandan militaries. Executive Outcomes, {Le Figaro} and other sources further verify, is deeply entrenched in Uganda, the key British marcher-lord state in the region.

http://www.aboutsudan.com/action/geopolitical/executive_outcomes.htm

Mercenaries aimed to topple oil-rich despot

The inside story of the ties that bind President Obiang and powerful American interests

By Paul Lashmar
14 March 2004

The tale of the 67 men of assorted nationalities now in a Zimbabwe jail accused of being mercenaries continued to unfurl yesterday like the plot of a lurid airport novel.

A bit too much like fiction, in fact, involving as it does a cast that includes the despotic leader of a little-known West African state, the Eton-educated son of an English cricket captain, fake passports, and a shadowy company registered in the Channel Islands that is linked to SAS old boys. All this, plus talk of CIA, MI6 and Spanish secret service activity, and a plane now impounded at Harare airport that contained equipment more suited to burglary than seizures of power.

SNIP...

But if who paid whom for what services has not yet been revealed, the intended target is not in doubt: President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, leader of a country whose lack of renown belies its strategic significance. And for "strategic" read oil. Not for nothing is this land known in US government circles as the "Kuwait of the Gulf of Guinea". Not without reason has President Bush welcomed President Obiang, a confirmed if not convicted corrupt despot, to the White House. He may be a despot, but as presider over an oil-rich state, he is their despot.

The sight and smell of oil is everywhere palpable in the port of Malabo. From here you can see the flames shooting into the night sky from the offshore oilrigs. Every day tens of thousands of barrels are extracted from huge crude oil reserves underneath the seabed off Equatorial Guinea.It is one of the oil-rich sub-Saharan countries that now supplies 15 per cent of American oil. Experts predict that the amount of oil the US receives from the prolific fields of Nigeria, Equatorial Guinea and Angola will double in the next five years. Hence the succour that American companies - and, since 9/11, the American government - have given to Obiang. Vice President Dick Cheney has said: "Along with Latin America, West Africa is expected to be one of the fastest-growing sources of oil and gas for the American market."

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=501017&host=3&di ...


seemslikeadream

Jonathan J. Bush uncle to President George Walker Bush


Jonathan J. Bush (Jonathan James Bush) (1931- ) is an uncle to President George Walker Bush.

A Wall Street financier, Jonathan Bush pulled together two dozen investors to raise $3 million to help launch Arbusto. Among the investors was Dorothy Bush, George W.’s grandmother. At the same time, Jonathan Bush was lining up investors for Arbusto, he also was raising money for George H.W. Bush’s presidential explorations. Many of the funders were the same. <1>

Snazzy
WaPo: A Shift in Strategy for Riggs (Riggs Bank, J. Bush)


A Shift in Strategy for Riggs
Bank Struggles to Find Focus for Investment Advisory Business
By Terence O'Hara and Kathleen Day
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, May 27, 2004; Page E01


Riggs Bank's slogan for much of the past 20 years -- "The most important bank in the most important city in the world" -- was intended to distinguish Riggs from the common run of banking.

This upper-crust vision of Riggs, cultivated by former chairman Joe L. Allbritton to attract Washington's unique class of moneyed demi-celebrities, guided many of the bank's strategic moves under his tenure.

One of these moves was the 1997 purchase of J. Bush & Co., a Connecticut money-management firm founded, owned and run by Jonathan J. Bush, the former president's brother and the current president's uncle, for an estimated $5.5 million.

...

Sources with knowledge of the matter, but who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that despite Bush family business and social ties to Saudi royals, Jonathan Bush had very little involvement in Riggs's banking relationship to the Saudi royal family. However, more than a year ago he did give some investment advice to a Saudi client connected to the embassy, the sources said.

More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58805-2004May26.html

(some more trickle about the new BCCI)

eridani

First class service for shitstains from around the world


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Pinochet_on_trial/Story/0,2763,409367,00.htm ...

The Chilean army and secret police have spent almost two decades secretly flooding Europe and the US with massive shipments of cocaine. The trafficking began during the 17-year dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet and continues to this day, a year-long investigation for The Observer has established.

Pinochet, who is now fighting arrest on kidnapping and murder charges in Santiago, has not clarified how he and his wife, Lucia, had $1,169,308 (around £730,000) in their account in the Riggs Bank in Washington on 1 March 1997. As commander-in-chief of the Chilean army, his annual salary in March 1997 was $16,000 (£10,000).


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-oil22may22,1,88675 ...

Marathon Oil Corp. and ExxonMobil Corp. confirmed that company officials had met with Senate investigators, but would not provide details. Both firms said their dealings in Equatorial Guinea had been
proper and lawful.

Interest in the land deals grew out of a money-laundering inquiry involving accounts held by Equatorial Guinea at Riggs Bank in Washington. The biggest account contained hundreds of millions of dollars in oil revenues deposited by American oil companies operating in the country.

http://www.davidsirota.com /


PRESIDENT BUSH'S UNCLE IS A CHIEF EXECUTIVE AT RIGGS BANK
According to the nonprofit Texans for Public Justice, Jonathan Bush is the President and CEO of Riggs Investment Management - a major arm of Riggs Bank. He is also the uncle of President George W. Bush. The President "credits the investors sent his way by this banker uncle as a key to his 'success' in the Texas oil industry in the early '80s." According to Public Citizen, the uncle Jonathan was a Bush Pioneer, having raised more than $100,000 for his nephew in 2000.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/8670766.htm

Riggs Bank has been fined $25 million by the Treasury Department for failing to detect and report tens of millions of dollars in suspicious transactions by foreign governments, particularly Saudi Arabia and Equatorial Guinea.

On Friday, the Federal Reserve ordered Riggs' Miami operation, Riggs International Banking Corp., to hire an outside consultant to conduct a thorough review of the bank's transactions and money-laundering controls.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4661093


Among the payments that have drawn scrutiny, documents show, were $19,200 in checks between December 2000 and January 2003 from the Saudi Embassy to an Islamic cleric, Gulshair Muhammad al-Shukrijumah. The Florida-based imam has been on the FBI's radar screen for some time: he once testified on behalf of convicted terrorist Clement Hampton-El.

Hampton-El was convicted in trying to blow up the WTC the first time in '93. al-Shukrijumah is apparently still missing, also served as the blink sheik's interpreter and may have had a serious role in 9/11. So, it's not just the princess sending money to the West Coast cell.

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=176

The UK publication of House of Bush, House of Saud, by the American writer Craig Unger, has been cancelled because Secker and Warburg, a Random House subsidiary, says it can no longer afford such risks.

The book focuses in part on the activities of a Jeddah-based Saudi billionaire, Khalid bin Mahfouz, who has been engaged in a war of words in the US, where there have been public accusations by officials linking him and others to funding received by Osama bin Laden.

http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=53

Al Bayoumi and Basnan both befriended Alhazmi and fellow Saudi hijacker Khalid Almihdar after they arrived in San Diego, according to the sources; and the Riggs checks from Prince Bandar's wife helped the terrorists pay rent and living expenses in the months just prior to the attacks, according to reports. Newsweek said Al Bayoumi helped them obtain social security cards and helped them arrange for flying lessons in Florida--indicating dramatic evidence of the state of congressional internal security oversight.

Basnan was convicted of visa fraud and deported to Saudi Arabia on November 17, 2002. His wife Majida Ibrahim--who had also laundered checks from Riggs Bank--was deported the same day to her native Jordan for visa violations. (Washington Post, 9-24, 2002) Reasons were not given why the White House allowed the high profile suspects to leave the country on charges much less important than being implicated as an accessory to mass murder.

seemslikeadream

BAC Florida hit with federal rebuke
Miami Herald (subscription), FL - 24 minutes ago
... Earlier this month, Riggs Bank of Virginia was fined $25 million by the Treasury Department for failing to detect suspicious transactions by the governments of ...

BAC agrees to cease & desist order
Coral Gables-based BAC Florida Bank has agreed to the issuance of a cease & desist order concerning operations that include its compliance with the Bank Secrecy Act, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said Tuesday.

The FDIC said BAC agreed to the order March 16, "without admitting or denying the alleged charges of unsafe or unsound banking practices and violations of law and/or regulations."

The order requires BAC to develop and put into action a written plan for compliance with the Bank Secrecy Act by Aug. 3.

That law requires banks to report all cash transactions of $10,000 or more to the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

The order also requires BAC to not engage in any unsafe or unsound practices regarding the Bank Secrecy Act, the Treasury Department's Know Your Customer policies and in its monitoring of payable through accounts and master account holders.
http://southflorida.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2004/05/24/da ...

Internet Translation Service
Growing pressure for consolidation in the U.S. banking sector
Karl-Heinz Goedeckemeyer

The restructuring of the U.S. banking market is rapidly taking shape. With the mergers between Bank of America and FleetBoston Financial and between JP Morgan Chase and Bank One, consolidation has clearly gained momentum. In the wake of these mega-mergers, National City Corp and Provident Financial Group also amalgamated recently, along with Regions Financial and Union Planters Corp. Given the brighter business and market climate, the wave of mergers is expected to continue during the current year.

Thanks to these mergers, the financial giants Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America currently have total assets of around $ 3,200 billion. This means that there are now three banks in the U.S. each with a market capitalisation of over $ 100 billion. Internationally, only the HSBC Group can compete in this top league.
http://www.die-bank.de/index.asp?channel=121010&art=321&issue=052004

Riggs Bank Retrenching Foreign Operations
Sarasota Herald-Tribune, FL - Apr 30, 2004
... Banks mentioned as potential acquirers of Riggs are Bank of America (BAC), BB&T, Citibank, SunTrust and Wachovia (WB), all of which already have a retail ...

Newsweek in Nov. 2002 Reported that Princess Al-Faisal's Account was with Riggs -- Jonathan Bush's Bank

Michael Isikoff reported on 11/22/02: "Sources familiar with the evidence say the payments--amounting to about $3,500 a month--came from an account at Washington's Riggs Bank in the name of Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, the wife of Saudi Ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan... After Al Bayoumi left the country in July 2001--two months before the September 11 terror attacks--payments for roughly the same amount began flowing every month to Osama Basnan, a close associate of Al Bayoumi's who also befriended the hijackers." A visit to the Riggs website (www.riggsbank.com ) shows that "Jonathan Bush, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of J. Bush & Co., Inc., founded the company in 1970... He is the son of the late Senator Prescott Bush and the brother of former President George Bush." Also, "J. Bush & Company manages assets for high net-worth individuals, corporate benefit plans and foundations" (Click on "Investments", then "Investment Advisors"). http://www.msnbc.com/news/838867.asp

__Riggs Bank Cited for Violating Money Laundering Laws

Kathleen Day reported for the WashPost on 7/16/03: "Federal bank regulators cited Riggs Bank for violating money-laundering laws, the bank said yesterday. The bank consented to an order from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency requiring Riggs to beef up its procedures for reporting potentially suspicious transactions under the Bank Secrecy Act. The law requires banks to report cash transactions of $10,000 or more. Riggs officials and regulators did not specify if the consent order was tied to any particular customer, or how many transactions Riggs failed to report over what time period. Sources said that in a separate but related investigation, the FBI continues a months-long probe into whether charitable contributions made by a Saudi princess with checks drawn on her Riggs account indirectly benefited two of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn /...
Evidence builds for Bush family corruption
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Much has already been written about the Carlisle Group. Now we can add the Riggs Bank to the list. It seems the 9/11 terrorists received funding through Riggs Bank. Some of those funds were originally provided by Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, wife of the Saudi Ambassador Bandar Bin Sultan, and daughter of the late King Faisal. The President and CEO of Riggs Investment Management Company is none other than George W. Bush's uncle Jonathan Bush (according to The INN Report). By law, suspicious money transfers are required to be reported to the FBI. Riggs Bank did not follow regulations in this case. Even worse, in what appears to be a cover up, the Bush Administration is blocking investigations into this terrorist money trail.

In another story,

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/31752/view

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Another bank with terrorist customers intimately linked to Jebby

DU discussion thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=sh ...

Note: Suntrust was involved in Iran-Contra as well.

More: http://www.geocities.com/new_world_order_2003/sun_trust.html

Jeb Bush and Suntrust bank in Florida. This shows a long and cozy financial relationship between Bush and SunTrust Bank and the link between SunTrust and hijackers. Also Bush resists tighter money laundering laws in wake of 9/11.

Suntrust Bank had bank accounts of four hijackers to pay for flight training:

Posted: 2001-11-23 17:16
The quote below is part of a long article on money laundering. The article cites money transfers from the United Arab Emirates to a bank in Florida that was connected to funding the flight training of the supposed hijackers....

"....An update on ICP's raising of S11 issues with regard to SunTrust: the Sarasota Herald-Tribune of November 14 reported that " Inner City also cites the fact that some of the Sept. 11 hijackers opened checking accounts at SunTrust offices, including one in Venice that was used to pay for flight lessons last year. The group said the bank failed to comply with proper money laundering and 'know your customer' practices by not noticing large international wire transfers into the accounts. The bank has said that none of those transactions were more than $10,000, the amount that triggers a report to the federal government." But regulators in the United Arab Emirates have acknowledged wire transfers as large as $70,000, to a bank in Florida they wouldn't name, but which is known to be SunTrust..."


"...And, seemingly unrelated, Florida banks and Florida governor Jeb Bush are opposing a proposed Internal Revenue Service regulation which would require banks to report on the interest earnings of "non-resident aliens." The U.S. is asking countries all over the world to follow its asset-freezing orders: but Florida banks and governor Jeb Bush are opposing much more limited reporting to other countries. "

Just think of how powerful Florida would become if it doesn't implement money laundering control measures, while the rest of the country and the world does? There won't be any competition! <http://www.innercitypress.org/finwatch.html >

Suntrust contributed approx. $160,000 to Jeb's campaign:

Note: Hilliard is the guy who ran the Venice Flight school where terrorists got their training.

http://www.opensecrets.org/fl/gets/st/contrib/fl622.htm
BUSH, JEB

Profile: Summary Data <../index/fl622.htm> - Geographic Totals <../geog/fl622.htm> - Sector Totals <../sector/fl622.htm> - Top Industries <../indus/fl622.htm> - Top Contributors
Top Contributors
REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FL </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=REPUBLICAN+PARTY+OF+FL> $1,621,985 SUNTRUST BANK SPECIA </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=SUNTRUST+BANK+SPECIA> $107,199 SUNTRUST BANK MONEY MARKET ACC </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=SUNTRUST+BANK+MONEY+MARKET+ACC> $65,966 BUSH, JEB </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=BUSH,+JEB> $10,577 STATE FARM INSURANCE CO </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=STATE+FARM+INSURANCE+CO> $5,700 HILLIARD FARM/HILLIARD BROTHERS OF FL </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=HILLIARD+FARM%2FHILLIARD+BROTHERS+OF+FL> $5,000 BANKERS INSURANCE CO </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=BANKERS+INSURANCE+CO> $3,000 ADELPHIA COMMUNICATIONS CORP </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=ADELPHIA+COMMUNICATIONS+CORP> $2,500 STERLING HEALTHCARE GROUP </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=STERLING+HEALTHCARE+GROUP> $2,500 REALTORS PAC </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=REALTORS+PAC> $2,000 SMITH, GRIMSLEY, BAU </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=SMITH,+GRIMSLEY,+BAU> $2,000 NUNIS, RICHARD A & MARY J </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=NUNIS,+RICHARD+A+%26+MARY+J> $2,000 KORMAN, HOWARD I JOY G & ALLISON B </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=KORMAN,+HOWARD+I+JOY+G+%26+ALLISON+B> $2,000 HUFTY, FRANCES & PAGE ARC </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=HUFTY,+FRANCES+%26+PAGE+ARC> $2,000 GL HOMES OF SILVER LAKES XXV </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=GL+HOMES+OF+SILVER+LAKES+XXV> $2,000 EASTON BABCOCK & ASSOCIATES </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=EASTON+BABCOCK+%26+ASSOCIATES> $2,000 DINANNO, JOSEPH & KATHRYN A & THOMAS </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=DINANNO,+JOSEPH+%26+KATHRYN+A+%26+THOMAS> $2,000 BLUE LAKE INC </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=BLUE+LAKE+INC> $2,000 BRAIN & SPINE CENTER NEUROSURGERY </super/asp/contrib.asp?thestateid=FL&theUltOrg=BRAIN+%26+SPINE+CENTER+NEUROSURGERY>


Bush Executive Center in SunTrust Business Plaza:

http://www.rollins.edu/news/Construction/Fall1999Construction.htm

Fall 1999 SunTrust Plaza & The Bush Executive Center

After just over a year of construction, the SunTrust Plaza is nearly completed. The finishing touches-including the paint, sidewalks, and signage-are now being added to Rollins’ newest business venture. The 1st tennant of the SunTrust Plaza, Restoration Hardware, will be ready for business as of June 17th. The Gap, Coldwell Banker with the newly-acquired Ann Cross Realty offices, and Merrill Lynch will follow suit in July and August, respectively. “We hope to have an occupancy of about 93% by the beginning of the 1999-00 school year,” said Vice President and Treasurer George Herbst.
As of June, we are 85% leased, but as the construction nears completion and the community becomes familiar with its newest neighbor, we foresee the signing of the remaining leases.” Thanks to generous donations from the Edyth Bush Charitable Foundation, Crummer alumnus Dennis Harward and others, the Bush Executive Center has become a reality. The dedication for the building will be held later this fall. Once completed and in full operation, the building will offer 5-6 new classrooms, including an audio/visual presentation room. Also, the Bush Center will feature a hand full of meeting rooms to be used for discussion / study, and will host more faculty offices. A redesigned lobby will connect the Executive Center with the existing Crummer building. Although some of the construction parking was diverted with the use of the parking garage, some spaces will return once the construction area is returned to its original state. The work area will be cleaned up by the end of the summer and people should expect the grass to return, as well as new sidewalks and various shrubbery. There will be an increase in the number of faculty offices. The two displaced faculty members will return from their temporary stay in the 1st floor of the Carnegie Building. The Center’s programs are designed to attract business leaders from around the country. The executive education classrooms will contain the latest teaching technology, including data ports, and video conferencing capabilities. The four-story building will only stand three-stories high, with one floor underground.

Bush and President of SunTrust in Florida Enterprise:
http://www.eflorida.com/content/images/90_june26.pdf

Jeb Bush directing people to SunTrust Bank info on friend and Cocaine:

http://www.citizenslaw.net/_politics/bush_cocaine_billy_preston.htm

follow these links to National security Archives links with original documents of US and cocaine trafficking.

Woods - Billy Preston Cocaine Connection?
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It was well-known in the yachting circles along the coast -- from Maine to Florida to Texas -- that the Bush kids, J.E.B. and George W. were cool. "Coming in to Los Angles with a couple of k" No problem. George W. would slap you on the back, and look the other way. J.E.B. would direct you to a bank -- like the SunTrust on the way to Coconut Grove..
During the Iran-Contra period from 1981-1987, Floridian John "Jeb" Bush was the White House contact to the Miami-based Contras. From the NSA archive as George Washington University comes this expose of their activities: Cocaine, Contras, Covert Ops <cocaine_contras_gwu.htm>.
From 1987-1989, while Florida Secretary of Commerce John "JEB" Bush was pushing the revitalizing of South Beach, legendary Rolling Stone guitarist, Ron Woods, (about whom the cocaine rumors swirl) opened Woodies On The Beach at Ocean Drive and 5th St. After considerable complaints from neighbors, enumerable electronic bugs by every investigator north of the Cape Horn, and an extraordinary number of Republican revelries, in 1989 the club closed.
Rumors and confirmations have long been circling around the Ron Woods, Billy Preston scene at the victory celebration bash in Washington, D.C. in 1988 following the election of George Bush as president. The Rolling Stone Anthology report:
This selection from The Rolling Stones, editor, Chris Charlesworth, Omnibook Press, ISBN 0.7119.3480.5 Anthology referring to January 21, 1989 reads: "Ron (Woods), along with Bo Diddley, Percy Sledge, Duck Dunn, Eddie Floyd, Willie Dixon, Chuck Jackson, Dr. John, Carla Thomas, Steve Cropper, Albert Collins, Billy Preston and Koko Taylor all celebrate Republican President-elect George Bush's victory on stage at the Convention Center in Washington, D.C. George Bush shows up to meet the musicians and be present with a signed poster and a guitar, then RNC Chairman Lee Atwater who organised the bash, strapped on a red guitar and played 'Hi Heel Sneakers'. Out of the 8,500 attendees, there were more black people on stage than in the audience." Billy Preston has been on the scene for a long, long time. Many of us recall our first encounter with him as a member of the house band on the hit rock 'n roll TV show, "Shindig!" in the mid-'60s. He was born in Houston, TX and raised mostly in Los Angeles. He began playing piano at age three. Starting on his mother's lap, he progressed to his first "solo" performance of "Mary Had A Little Lamb." By age ten, he was performing with Gospel great, Mahalia Jackson. At twelve, he made his first movie appearance as the young W.C. Handy in "St. Louis Blues." By this time, he had a musical hero, Ray Charles, whom he admired mostly from afar. During those years he played with such Gospel luminaries as James Cleveland, The Caravans and The Staple Singers. In the course of his Gospel touring he met Sam Cooke, a member of the Soul Stirrers at the time. He would eventually play secular music with Cooke and join the roster of Cooke's SAR/Derby labels. By the mid-'60s, in addition to his "Shindig!" duties, he recorded with his hero, Ray Charles. While on tour with Charles, he re-united with The Beatles whom he had met years earlier while touring England with Little Richard. Confused? OK, enough! Let him tell it. Billy Preston is here to take us logically through his life, including his hit-making years, right up to the present. These days you can find him weekly on the UPN network's "Good News," in addition to personal appearances. With special thanks to Bill Maxwell, The R&B Page is proud to present, via RealAudio, Billy Preston!
Source: <http://beatles.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa120197.htm >
Billy Preston sent to jail
Dateline: 12/01/97
He's shared stages with Sam Cooke and Mahalia Jackson. He's written songs for Joe Cocker. He was asked to join The Band, nearly asked to join the Beatles, and when he played the famous Concert For Bangladesh, he (unintentionally or not) upstaged none other than Bob Dylan.
And now he's in jail.
Definitely the most soulful "Fifth Beatle", and arguably the most talented, Billy Preston was sentenced recently to three years in jail for parole violations centering around his continued cocaine use. That's a tragedy on the order of James Brown's, Sly Stone's, and Rick James' incarcerations, for while Preston never reached their commercial heights, he can arguably be considered their artistic peer.

The Best of Billy Preston at CD Universe <http://www.cduniverse.com/programs/asp/albuminfo.asp?LC=7502+3205&cart ... >
Preston was/is a funk/blues/gospel powerhouse who catapulted to first-rank status as one of the few enjoyable things about the Let It Be debacle. His keyboard wizardry was responsible for a fair share of the groove of "Get Back" and the majesty of "Don't Let Me Down", among others. And when he unleashed his own "Imagine"-like statement of purpose, "That's The Way God Planned It", at the Bangladesh concert, he suddenly made Dylan and Hari seem obsolete, vaulting him into a string of classic Seventies funk'n'boogie hits like "Nothing From Nothing", "Will It Go 'Round In Circles", and instrumental synth freakouts like "Outa-Space" and "Space Race."
Unfortunately, like James, Rick, and Sly, Preston has had a monkey on his back: a genuinely good guy, Preston wasn't pinched on any violent account but just nabbed in an attempt to halt his abuses. Whether or not it's a good solution is another discussion entirely, but for now, you can send a few prayers out, and maybe get to know him a little better. Here are some links to explain his rise and fall.
The R&B Page Archive <http://www.rbpage.com/backissue24.html >
The best overview of Billy's fantastic career, featuring RealAudio interviews with Billy from Before Things Went Wrong.
Microsoft Music Central Discography <http://musiccentral.msn.com/Artist/Display/77139 >
Lists all of Billy's session work (and that's a lot).
Billy Preston Gets Back <http://www.rockvillage.com/rock/artist/archived/961107/index.html >
A more Beatle-intensive sort of biography. Is Billy on the Anthology? From RockVillage.
Billy Preston <http://theband.hiof.no/band_members/billy_preston.html >
From the official page of The Band. Billy rocking out with Rick Danko and Levon Helm? Yes
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It's not the drug use that's important -- but the hypocrisy exhibit by both -- they use, benefit and protect -- unless it serves their purpose to harass, extort, and incarcerate. Are we to believe the 25 year drug free story???

A Washington Bank, A Global Mess (Riggs Bank, the GOP and Terrorism)

mobuto

For those of you who don't live in Washington, the Riggs National Bank is controlled by the Houston-based Allbritton family, which has for decades been virtually synonymous with the Republican Party. They provide much better service than the national chains, which is why I have my accounts there, but then of course I don't receive the service afforded Saudi terrorists or African dictators. Joe Allbritton owns a media empire of local television affiliates, and is a longtime close, personal friend of George H. W. Bush.
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EACH January, in honor of Gen. Robert E. Lee's birthday, a group of Washington's movers and shakers gather to rub elbows at the Alfalfa Club dinner. Wizened, impressive and until recently entirely male, the Alfalfa roster includes presidents, politicians, diplomats and business impresarios, all bound together by being either formidably influential or fabulously rich.

Attendees have included luminaries like Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States; Jack Valenti, the president of the Motion Picture Association of America; and others with surnames like Greenspan, Kissinger and Rehnquist. President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney made their first joint public appearance after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks at the Alfalfa gathering in 2002.

--snip=--

Until late February, Riggs managed $360 million worth of Equatorial Guinean accounts that federal investigators say were controlled by that country's dictator. The accounts were largely funded by proceeds from deals with Exxon Mobil, the oil company. Federal investigators say they are scrutinizing those accounts to see if they involve the proceeds of political graft or were used to bribe executives of any American companies, according to an individual with direct knowledge of the investigation. The problems with the Equatorial Guinean accounts also prompted the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency last month to warn Riggs that it plans to label it a "troubled" institution, meaning that the bank would have to cede significant managerial authority to the government.

--snip--

Until the Sept. 11 attacks, Saudi officials often rolled into a Riggs branch on a Friday and withdrew millions of dollars for, say, a weekend splurge in London, according to individuals familiar with the transactions. Even after the attacks, when Saudi institutions were criticized by federal officials for possibly financing terrorism, it took Riggs more than a year to begin tightening its oversight. A year ago, the bank says, it cautioned the Saudis, as well as embassies from other countries, that the no-questions-asked era was coming to an end.

--continued--

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/11/business/yourmoney/11riggs.html

sam sarrha

and no chance of "RICO" showing up either i bet.

ultramega

Another "Ruthless dictator"? (Obiang)

Isn't this the kind of dictator whom we like to depose?

What is the difference between a good dictator and a bad dictator? One who does everything as Bush want's it, as opposed to one who considers selling oil in euros.

mobuto

There are good dictators as well


who do business with Riggs.

From the article:

Until the Sept. 11 attacks, Saudi officials often rolled into a Riggs branch on a Friday and withdrew millions of dollars for, say, a weekend splurge in London, according to individuals familiar with the transactions. Even after the attacks, when Saudi institutions were criticized by federal officials for possibly financing terrorism, it took Riggs more than a year to begin tightening its oversight. A year ago, the bank says, it cautioned the Saudis, as well as embassies from other countries, that the no-questions-asked era was coming to an end.

DulceDecorum

Saddam was a good dictator


The Shah of Iran was a good dictator.
Adolf Hitler was the best dictator,
but
Dubya may supersede them all.

Incidentally, up until Jonathan Bush of Riggs was told to part with all the money paid into Obiang's account (minimum 300 million CASH)
the president of Equatorial Guinea was a good dictator.
Now he is just "a gonad-eating cannibal."

cosmicdot

how many of Poppy's trustees were there? Albritton? Valenti?


Poppy Bu$h Presidential Library Foundation - Trustees
(do they all get an annual retainer fee?)

* Member of the Board of Directors

Don A. Adam
Bryan, Texas

Joe L. Allbritton
Washington, D.C.

Thomas Ludlow Ashley *
Washington, D.C.

Hushang Ansary
Houston, Texas

James A. Baker, III
Houston, Texas

Dexter Baker
Allentown, Pennsylvania

Perry R. Bass
Fort Worth, Texas

Sam Bamieh
San Mateo, California

Bruce Benson
Denver, Colorado

Griffin B. Bell
Atlanta, Georgia

Katherine E. Boyd
Hillsborough, California

Jack Blanton
Houston, Texas

Daniel B. Burke
New York, New York

Nicholas F. Brady
Easton, Maryland

Jonathan J. Bush
Killingworth, Connecticut

Governor John Ellis Bush *
Miami, Florida

Neil M. Bush
Houston, Texas

Marvin P. Bush
Alexandria, Virginia

William H.T. Bush
St. Louis, Missouri

Prescott S. Bush, Jr.
Greenwich, Connecticut

John T. Cater
Houston, Texas

James W. Cicconi *
Washington, D.C.

William P. Clements
Dallas, Texas

Tony Coelho
Alexandria, Virginia

Lodwrick M. Cook *
Los Angeles, California

Dan W. Cook, III
Dallas Texas

Mr. & Mrs. Earle Craig
Midland, Texas

Edwin L. Cox
Dallas, Texas

Trammell Crow
Dallas, Texas

Harlan Crow
Dallas, Texas

Barbara Fish Daniel
Houston, Texas

Walter Curley
New York, New York

William H. Draper
Atherton, California

Robert A. Day
Los Angeles, California

Nancy Ellis
Boston, Massachusetts

Archie W. Dunham
Houston, Texas

Max M. Fisher
Detroit, Michigan

William S. Farish, III
Versailles, Kentucky

Craig L. Fuller
McLean, Virginia

Laurie Firestone
Newport Beach, California

Richard L. Gelb
New York, New York

Brad M. Freeman
Los Angeles, California

C. Boyden Gray
Washington, D.C.

H. Laurance Fuller
Chicago, Illinois

Adele Hall
Shawnee Mission, Kansas

Preston M. Geren, Jr.
Fort Worth, Texas

Mr. & Mrs. Henry Hillman
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Michel T. Halbouty
Houston, Texas

Bobby Holt *
Midland, Texas

John M. Hennessy
New York, New York

Ray L. Hunt
Dallas, Texas

Eric Hilton
Los Angeles, California

Dorothy Bush Koch *
Bethesda, Maryland

Roy M. Huffington
Houston, Texas

Jack Laughery
Rocky Mount, North Carolina

Donald M. Kendall
Purchase, New York

J. Hugh Liedtke
Houston, Texas

Terri Lacy *
Houston, Texas

John H. Lindsey *
Houston, Texas

Kenneth L. Lay
Houston, Texas

Cary Maguire
Dallas, Texas

Carl H. Lindner, III
Cincinnati, Ohio

Frederic V. Malek
Washington, D.C.

Donald B. Marron
New York, New York

Louis Marx
New York, New York

Lynn Martin
Chicago, Illinois

Frederick D. McClure *
Dallas, Texas*

Elvis Mason
Dallas, Texas

G.V. "Sonny" Montgomery
Meridian, Mississippi

William A. McKenzie
Dallas, Texas

William P. Moss
Dallas, Texas

Robert Mosbacher
Houston, Texas

Edward N. Ney
New York, New York

Brian Mulroney
Canada (Honorary)

Gerald L. Parsky
Los Angeles, California

Fred M. Zeder
Rancho Mirage, California

Sigmund Rogich
Las Vegas, Nevada

Dan Quayle
Scottsdale, Arizona (Honorary)

Roy Ryu
Seoul, South Korea

Susan Porter Rose
McLean, Virginia

Arnold Schwarzenegger
Santa Monica, California

William A. Schreyer
Plainsboro, New Jersey

Peter Secchia
Grand Rapids, Michigan

Brent Scowcroft *
Washington, D.C.

Samuel K. Skinner
Chicago, Illinois

Melvin F. Sembler
St. Petersburg, Florida

Alex Spanos
Stockton, California

Joshua Smith
Potomac, Maryland

Robert H. Stewart
Dallas, Texas

Jacob Stein
Hicksville, New York

John H. Sununu
Washington, D.C.

Robert S. Strauss
Washington, D.C.

Robert Waltrip
Houston, Texas

Jack Valenti
Washington, D.C.

John F. Welch
Fairfield, Connecticut

Jerry Weintraub
Burbank, California

Richard D. Wood
Indianapolis, Indiana

Gary Winnick
Beverly Hills, California

Gordon Zacks
Columbus, Ohio

Stephen A. Wynn
Las Vegas, Nevada

John D. Macomber
Washington, D.C.

http://www.georgebushfoundation.org/bush/asp/OverView/Trustees.asp

mobuto

Well, Riggs bankrolled the Mexican-American War...

amandabeech

Well, "they" all had to go somewhere after BCCI closed.

Anyone know what's going on with the investigation in the U.K.?


Aafia Siddiqui (part of yesterday's terror alert)


Siddiqui, included in yesterday's scaremongering, lived with two people involved in Saudi transactions via Riggs.

Fleet also spotted suspicious money transfers totaling $20,000 from the Saudi government's armed forces account to a man who lived in the same Boston apartment as Siddiqui. His name is Abdullah Al Reshood and he has been questioned by the FBI, according to a source.

Reshood wrote a $20,000 check to another Saudi, Hatem Al Dhahri, who then wired $17,193 back to an account in Saudi Arabia controlled by Reshood. Al Dhahri lived at the same address as Siddiqui, Fleet noted in its report.

The Newsweek report also highlighted the role of Riggs Bank in Washington, D.C., in the transactions from Saudi Arabia. Riggs never filed any suspicious activity reports with the U.S. Treasury, prompting an investigation.

The Riggs accounts, according to Newsweek, showed a number of checks sent to flight schools and flight school students in the United States.

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvNews/view.bg?articleid=483&format=


9215

BLAAAM!!!


Nice catch:

The Riggs accounts, according to Newsweek, showed a number of checks sent to flight schools and flight school students in the United States.

The bank I mentioned above, Suntrust, has some agreement to buy Riggs bank. I'll need to dig into that more.



UpInArms (1000+ posts) Fri May-28-04 01:35 PM
Original message
Riggs (Bank) Seeks Buyer After Government Fine, Executive Departures


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a1mowiaKgTZk&ref ...

May 28 (Bloomberg) -- Riggs National Corp. in the past month has paid a $25 million government fine, lost three executives and been labeled a ``troubled'' bank by regulators.

Now Washington, D.C.-based Riggs, with customers including the Saudi Arabian embassy, is for sale, people familiar with the matter said late yesterday.

Riggs, with a market value of $543 million, hired Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. to help sell the company, the people said on the condition they not be named. The bank, accused by regulators of failing to enforce anti- money laundering rules, is contacting potential buyers such as Citigroup Inc. and Wachovia Corp., the people said.

A buyer would get a bank with 28 branches in Washington, 13 in Virginia and nine in Maryland, as well as offices in London, Berlin and Nassau in the Bahamas.

<snip>

Federal investigators concluded that Riggs failed to report suspicious transactions to banking authorities, the U.S. Office of the Comptroller of the Currency said earlier in the month. Riggs neither admitted nor denied wrongdoing.

...more...

http://www.riggsbank.com/Discover_Riggs/may31_00.html

Dudley Elected Chairman of Riggs Investment Management Subsidiary; Bush to Serve as President & CEO

Washington, D.C., May 31, 2000 - Riggs Bank N.A. today announced that the Board of Directors of RIMCO, a wholly owned investment management subsidiary, has elected Jonathan J. Bush President & Chief Executive Officer and a Director, replacing Philip Tasho who resigned. In addition, Henry A. Dudley, Jr. was elected Chairman.

Mr. Bush will continue as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of J. Bush & Co., an investment management company he founded in 1970, which Riggs acquired in 1997. Mr. Dudley, a 24-year veteran of Riggs, will continue to be responsible for all of Riggs Bank's investment management, trust and private banking business.

Located in the nation's capital, Riggs Bank has 53 branches in the Washington, DC metropolitan area, as well as banking offices in Miami, London and Berlin.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58805-2004May26.html

A Shift in Strategy for Riggs

excerpt:

And, though Jonathan Bush briefly ran Riggs's investment advisory business during a management shakeup at the division in 2000, for the most part he has run his company as a distinct, wholly owned subsidiary of the bank, responsible for generating his own business and having limited interactions with select Riggs clients, Hendrix said.

"Jonathan Bush is very active, a very active manager," Hendrix said. He would not comment on details of Bush's business, but sources familiar with the company say J. Bush & Co. employs eight people and has about $200 million in assets under management. When Riggs acquired the company it had approximately $250 million under management. Riggs manages client assets of more than $6 billion, including trust accounts.

Jonathan Bush declined to comment.

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CHARLOTTE, N.C., May 24 (Reuters) - Bank of America Corp. (BAC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) President Eugene McQuade plans to resign from the No. 2 U.S. bank and its board of directors effective June 30, the company said on Monday.

McQuade, 55, was a driving force behind Bank of America's $48 billion purchase of FleetBoston Financial Corp., completed on April 1. McQuade became Fleet's chief operating officer in 2002 and was previously its chief financial officer.

Kenneth Lewis, Bank of America's chief executive, said in a statement McQuade "felt it was time to pursue different challenges and a new chapter in his career." The business units that McQuade oversaw are being realigned.

McQuade is the most senior official from Fleet to leave the combined bank since the merger. Charles "Chad" Gifford, who had been Fleet's chief executive, became Bank of America's chairman.

http://www.reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml ?
type=bondsNews&storyID=5240652

At Riggs, problems passed on with legacy
Joe L. Allbritton won control of Riggs Bank in 1981 and used it as a launching pad into Washington`s top business and political circles. He assiduously cultivated "The Riggs" cachet as the bank for foreign governments and diplomats and steadfastly refused to sell the institution even as most of his competitors sold out, The Washington Post reported. Riggs has cultivated the diplomatic community and one quarter of its $4 billion in deposits come from that source. "My pride in Riggs has been paramount in my activities," he said in an interview when he retired in February 2001. "And you know, if you have just enough money, you`ll do more for pride than you`ll do for money…. My object was to put Riggs in a position where it could be the survivor. It is that." But when he bequeathed Riggs to his son Robert after retiring, he also passed on Riggs`s long-simmering problems complying with banking secrecy laws. Most controversial has been the use of hundreds of millions of dollars in funds controlled by the Saudi embassy in Washington, as well as suspicious transactions involving officials of Equatorial Guinea.

http://www.diplomatictraffic.com/embassy_briefs.asp?ID=Americas



The action followed the $25 million civil fine against the midsize Washington bank, which has a near-exclusive franchise on business with the capital’s diplomatic community. The fine, which had been expected, is the largest ever imposed on a financial institution for such violations, experts said.


The FBI and regulators have investigated, for possible connections to terrorism financing, large cash transactions in Riggs accounts controlled by Saudi diplomats.

The Senate Finance Committee chairman, Republican Charles Grassley of Iowa, recently asked the panel investigating the Sept. 11 attacks to examine Saudi transactions at Riggs and FleetBoston Financial Corp.

“Riggs Bank deserves every penny of this huge fine,” Grassley said Thursday. “Banks have a patriotic duty, not to mention legal requirement, to report suspicious activity. When banks look the other way, they put our national security at risk.”

Grassley said members of the bank’s board of directors should be held to account.

The Treasury regulators had earlier accused Riggs of failing to comply with a law requiring banks to notify the government of suspicious transactions. The bank also had been classified by the comptroller’s office as a “troubled institution” for not complying fully with a July 2003 consent order under which it agreed to strengthen its anti-money laundering controls.

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203. The Bush Family has been starting wars for 100 years
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The Bush Family has been starting wars for 100 years
Posted by dutchdemocrat on Sat May-15-04 07:41 AM

I was born ten kilometers from the United States of America. I feel closer to people in Seattle culturally, than I do to Torontonians. I am now a citizen of the Netherlands, thanks to my father.

I don't hate America. IN fact I love it. I just don't like the current government which I feel is a threat to the Canadian way of life and our choice as a nation to follow a more socialist (let's even call it Christian) path. We don't have a RW Christian lobby group that screams in Ottawa. Nor do we want one. Canada is progressive - even more than the Europeans in many cases.

Hence, I prefer Kerry and a democratic government in the USA because I feel the foundation of our country, our medicare, our decriminalisation of marijuana, our gay marriages, our social welfare system and more is under threat with the military industrialists that now run America.

Some call it a war on terrorism. I call it oil imperialism and arms sales.

This research I have compiled I put together last year... over a few weeks of looking around for the roots of the problem of war. You don't have to agree and I suspect many won't. But this is what I pulled out of the info highway.

DD


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Take it as you will. I am interested in hearing your view. This was a couple of months of research last year.


The Bush family have been starting wars for nearly a century.




Samuel Prescott Bush (1863 October 4 Brick Church NJ - 1948 February 8 Columbus OH) was the father of Senator Prescott Bush, grandfather of George H. W. Bush and greatgrandfather George W. Bush.

He was the son of the Rev. James Smith Bush.

The Grand Patriarch of the Bush clan founded the Buckeye Steel Castings Company of Ohio in 1894 as The Buckeye Malleable Iron & Coupler Company. They manufactured steel car couplers for trains, truck bodies, bolsters, truck fenders, yokes, and (among other things) made railway parts for the Harrimans. The two families were closely associated at least until the end of World War II. Samuel, as did all the other Industrialists of the time, grew very wealthy and influential.

He was the first president of National Manufacturers Association, and cofounder of Scioto Country Club and Columbus Academy.

In the spring of 1918, Bush became Chief of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the War Industries Board of Bernard Baruch and Clarence Dillon, with national responsibility for government assistance to and relations with Remington and other weapons companies.

Bush was essentially taking national responsibility for government assistance to his own Remington Arms Company and other weapon makers. Through these weapons manufacturers, Samuel Bush made and sold arms to 75% of the WWI combatants on both sides.

Senate hearings in 1934 by the Nye committee attacked the ‘Merchants of Death’— war profiteers such as the American Remington Arms and the British Vickers company — whose salesmen had manipulated many nations into war and then supplied weapons to all sides.

Unfortunately most of the records and correspondence of Bush's arms-related section of the government have been burned ‘to save space’ in the National Archives.

****How convenient...****



Tarpley and Chaitkin say:

"With the war mobilization conducted under the supervision of the War Industries Board, U.S. consumers and taxpayers showered unprecedented fortunes on war producers and certain holders of raw materials and patents. Hearings in 1934 by the committee of U.S. Senator Gerald Nye attacked the "Merchants of Death", war profiteers such as Remington Arms and the British Vickers company, whose salesmen had manipulated many nations into wars, and then supplied all sides with the weapons to fight them. Most of the records and correspondence of Samuel Bush's arms- related section of the government have been burned, "to save space" in the National Archives. This matter of destroyed or misplaced records should be of concern to citizens of a constitutional republic. Unfortunately, it is a rather constant impediment with regard to researching George Bush's background: He is certainly the most "covert" American chief executive."

Samuel Bush was labeled a "Merchant of Death" in the years following the Great War as investigations began into the instigators of the war and of the new emerging world militarism. The German Army under the Kaiser was the largest and most well armed in the world in 1914, and they were largely armed by Samuel Bush. After WWI, Germany was stripped of their arms, but Samuel Bush was allowed to keep his millions, and his arms business was allowed to grow and prosper. In 1944 he was awarded a huge government contract to make armor casings for WWII. He died shortly after the war ended in 1948, within months of the passage of the National Security Act.

THE BUSH EMPIRE
How four generations of arms, oil, fascism, and US Govt. defiance made America's First Family

by Charles Shaw

"Almost everybody knows that George W. is the son of the 41st President. But fewer know that the family has wielded power in corporate boardrooms and capital corridors for a century and a half. On his mom's side, he's related to Franklin Pierce, the 14th President (1853-57). His dad's paternal grandfather, Samuel P. Bush, was an Ohio steel executive and the first president of the National Association of Manufacturers. Samuel's son, Prescott, became a Connecticut senator. Prescott's wife, Dorothy, was the daughter of George Herbert Walker, a co-founder of Brown Brothers Harriman, the oldest and largest private investment house on Wall Street. The Walker family helped finance the construction of Madison Square Garden and the Belmont Park racetrack--and later owned a big chunk of the New York Mets"


--Business Week, Nov 15, 1999

The previous quote embodies the public face of the Bush family, one of the richest and most influential American political dynasties in all our history. But it is almost shocking how little people actually know about the Bush family, particularly the history of the Bush men.

I thought we might look beneath the veneer at the true face of America's political dynasty.

http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/issues/v2issue3/features/bushempire.shtml

The Bush Family Genealogy


http://members.aol.com/dwidad/bush.html

Here's the irony - George W. Bush underfunds Amtrak and his own great grandfather's legacy, Buckeye steel casting in order to starve the rail industry and retain control for the automobile and oil lobbyists. You want to drive an SUV right?

Congress is apparently mostly to blame for Ohio steel maker’s closing
“Meager federal funding for Amtrak contributes to the closure of large Ohio steel company,” states the Ohio Association of Railroad Passengers in a press release.

The Ohio ARP’s administrative director, Stu Nicholson in Columbus, said, “Years of subsistence level funding for Amtrak is now contributing to the near demise of an Ohio steel supplier that provides the passenger railroad’s fleet with most of its undercarriage assemblies. This may result in the loss of hundreds of good-paying jobs.”

The Ohio ARP is a non-profit railroad advocacy association.
Buckeye Steel Castings Corp. of Columbus said it had suspended operations as it negotiates for financing to continue operations.
Buckeye once employed more 1,400 people, but that number shrank to as few 400 two years ago. Business had begun to turn around slightly and employment rose to almost 700 as of last week.

The post-September 11, 2001 downturn in the economy and railroad industry saw the domestic demand for Buckeye products drop.

“This drop in business is due in no small part to the fact that action to fully fund Amtrak, one of Buckeye Steel’s major customers, has been sidetracked by Congress and the Bush Administration,” said Nicholson.
Buckeye Steel’s closure and layoffs follows the loss of another major Ohio rail industry supplier – a Timken bearings plant in Columbus, which also had Amtrak as an important customer. Ohio has more than 100 rail industry suppliers, many of which serve Amtrak and commuter rail agencies nationwide.

“When the federal government starves Amtrak, it also starves Amtrak’s suppliers, their employees and local economies which depend on these manufacturing jobs,” said Nicholson.

“Amtrak’s trains don’t even serve Columbus, and yet the ripple effect from starving Amtrak has had a direct and serious impact on our local economy. If the federal government provided enough funding to create a world-class passenger rail system, world-class economic development would be an obvious result,” Nicholson added.

Buckeye Steel, an OARP corporate member, began 121 years ago as the Murray-Hayden Foundry. Ironically, President George W. Bush’s great-grandfather, Samuel Prescott Bush, was president of Buckeye Steel from 1907-1927.

“Yet, President Bush proposes a $571 million budget for Amtrak in 2003 that would result in its shutdown. Amtrak said it needed at least $1.2 billion for 2003 just to survive,” Nicholson added, “but the General Accounting Office reported earlier this year that Amtrak needs $2.4 billion per year to run the system as-is and begin returning the condition of its physical assets to a state of good repair. That includes the replacement of hundreds of worn-out trucks that Buckeye Steel would likely provide, as well as assemblies for new rail passenger cars.”

Buckeye Steel officials say that would immediately improve its financial situation and preserve valuable jobs.

“It’s ironic that President Bush’s lack of support for Amtrak is contributing to the fall of a company that his great-grandfather helped make a success,” Nicholson said.

“President Bush and Congress can change this tomorrow by working to give Amtrak the funding it needs to rebuild.”


http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df10282002.shtml


VARIOUS COMMENTS – ANTI-ARMS INDUSTRY

“Since the Nye report in February 1936 much water has run under the bridge, but by judging what President Bush is doing today about Iraq, nothing has changed in the Americans’ methods and intentions for war as a stimulant of the ailing national economy.

Recently a “Hard Talk” interviewer on the BBC was recounting name by name which members of the Bush Administration were key managers of which American Arms Company before the present Bush Administration came to power two years ago.”

http://www.turkpulse.com/american.htm

The Nye Committee was headed by Gerald P. Nye of North Dakota; his investigation into the reasons for the US entry to WWI sparked controversy. The Nye Committee, 1934-36.

The Nye report convinced millions of citizens that the bankers who had lent money to the European allies had been "merchants of death" and had tricked the country into war. The "mistake" of 1917 must never be repeated. United States and World War II. Nye Congressional Committee evaluates WWI experience, 1934-36.

Strict Neutrality Laws passed by Congress, 1933-35. 1936-39 Rising Axis Powers threat; appeasement; Munich Conference. September 1939 Hitler Invades Poland; WWII begins. ; US begins to shift away from isolation: “Cash and Carry” Policy, 1939. US-British 50 destroyers deal, 1940. The Nye Committee was headed by Gerald P. Nye of North Dakota; his investigation into the reasons for the US entry to WWI sparked controversy.

American bankers and munitions makers profited from WWI. The staff uncovered facts about the lobbying activities and profits of American companies. Example: The Du Pont company’s earnings went from $5 million in 1914 to $82 million in 1918.
http://www.harwich.edu/depts/history/pp/wwiiA/tsld005.htm


Sept. 1934 - Nye Committee (Sen. Gerald P. Nye of N. Dakota)
Findings used by writers and intellectuals and peace movement
* Charles Beard denounced "merchants of death"
* 1935 Walter Millis book "Road to War"
* Dorothy Detzer & Women's International League for peace and Freedom supported Nye's investigation.


INFO ON NAM

(National Manufacturers Association) Samuel Prescott Bush was the organization’s first president.

Besides funding pro-fascists groups like the Silver Shirts, corporate America sponsored several other groups with a hint of respectability. One such organization that figured prominently in spreading the propaganda was the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM). Such organizations as NAM would serve as bridge groups between the rich corporate owners and the public.

NAM along with the National Industrial Information Committee picked up the banner of du Pont's free enterprise dogma. It was Fulton Lewis Jr. a former employee of NAM that became the mouth piece for NAM. Using his radio program on the Mutual Network, Lewis spread the NAM propaganda to roughly three million people daily. Lewis denied the truth put forth by the La Follette and the Truman committees and instead aired NAM's propaganda under the disguise as "Your Defense Reporter."21 At the 1942 NAM convention, NAM went on record of supporting Free Enterprise fully.

The convention adopted a plank of full support of du Pont’s concept of free enterprise even if it hindered the war effort. In contrast, the 1942 CIO convention went on record for first winning the war. 24 In other words labor was willing to make the sacrifices need to win the war; big business on the other hand wasn't and put profits ahead of the war.
NAM was only one group of many that was used to propagandize America.

There were many others including the Chamber of Commerce. In the previous chapter, it was detailed how corporate America used groups such as the Chamber of Commerce and the American Legion as bridge groups between the leaders of corporate America and the workers. The following chapter will detail how NAM served as a bridge group. The reader should be fully aware that the top officials of the John Birch Society in the 1950s were all former officials of NAM.
Many of the members of the National Publishers Association were also members of NAM.

William Warner publisher of McCall’s and Redbook was the head of NAM. The Curtis Publishing Company, publisher of the Saturday Evening Post and the Ladies Home Journal was represented by P.S. Collins a spokesman for W.D Fuller the president of NAM. The Luce publications Time, Life and Fortune were also closely associated with NAM.
Today the media is even more consolidated than the media in the 1940s, less than ten corporations control over eighty percent of the airwaves and press.

The Republicans have repeated the lie that the media is biased to the left so many times that many people buy into it even though the reverse is true. The corporations in fact censor the media. Two thirds of the editors when questioned have reported that their advertisers have threatened to withdraw advertising because of the content of news stories. Seventy five percent report that large advertisers have tried to influence the content of news stories in a 1992 survey.

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1930sp4.html

Stuart D. Brandes. Warhogs: A History of War Profits in America. Lexington: The University Press of Kentucky, 1997. 371 pp. Tables, notes, bibliography, and index. $34.95 (cloth), ISBN 0-8131-2020-9.
Reviewed for EH.Net by Jacob Vander Meulen

Department of History, Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, B3H 3J5

A new book on wartime profit-making with a title like "Warhogs" might suggest yet another entry for the "merchants of death" school on the relationship between private enterprise and the military in America.

The notion that the relation is inherently corrupt, and the idea that the main beneficiaries of war are contractors, bankers, and market capitalism, have been widely shared among Americans at least since the Pequot wars of the 1630s when profiteering gunsmiths scandalized New England (pp. 16-17).

During the twentieth-century that perspective assumed an even more sinister hue. Not only did merchants of death profit from war, they instigated it at every opportunity.

Staurt Brandes’ title, however, is tongue-in-cheek. Warhogs traces profiteering and efforts to control it through America’s various wars from the colonial period to the end of World War Two.

The author shows how exaggerated were common assumptions and constant charges of graft and malfeasance in military supply. He also shows how basic such suspicions have been to popular republicanism in America and how that ideology has continuously shaped national policy on the business of war.

Brandes wants to contribute to what he calls the "New Military History" which, he asserts, offsets ideology and conspiracy-mindedness by concentrating "less opprobriously on understanding civil-military relations" (p. 357).

Warhogs is particularly strong on war-profit politics during World War One and through Senator Gerald P. Nye’s investigation of the munitions industry in 1934-35. Readers might want to compare Brandes’ dismissal of the Nye Committee’s methods as "eerily close to the methods of Senator Joseph R. McCarthy" and the Nye Report as "pure demagoguery" with Matthew Ware Coulter’s recent study. Nevertheless, Brandes credits the Nye Committee and the Vinson-Trammell Act of 1934 for the general success of excess-profit taxation and renegotiated contracts during World War Two.

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/reviewsw36.htm

The Roaring 20s and the Roots of American Fascism
Part 2: Economic Warfare & Traitors in High Places

On January 1, 1926 an agreement between du Pont, DAG and VCR was consummated, and was similar to another agreement of the same date between du Pont and Imperial Chemical Industries of Britain.

This agreement, debated at length in the 1934 Nye Committee hearings, was found unsigned in du Pont files. It was a gentlemen's agreement that could be denied if discovered. The agreement detailed exchanges of patents and technical information.

In defiance to the Treaty of Versailles banning German companies from selling military explosives, it provided a means by which du Pont could sell German produced explosives. The Nye report provides the best summary of the agreement:

"In other words, though German munitions companies cannot sell abroad, American companies can sell for them, and to our own government at that."

In effect, the agreement between du Pont, DAG and VCR reestablished the pre-war cartel between du Pont, Koln-Rottweiler Pulverfabriken and the British Nobel Dynamite Trust. Under this agreement, du Pont agreed not to erect any powder works in Europe, and the other signers agreed not to erect power works in the United States.

Technical information was exchanged among the signatories, and du Pont agreed to inform the others of the quantity, quality and requirements of all powder sales to the United States Government.

In 1910, the Justice Department found the agreement a violation of anti-trust laws, resulting in the breakup of du Pont powder works. This resulted in the formation of Atlas Powder and Hercules Powder. Within a few years of the 1910 ruling, du Pont reorganized in Delaware due to its lax regulations of corporations.

An agreement between du Pont and Dynamit in 1929 controlled the production of tetrazine, a substance for greatly improved ammunition primers. When W.W.II began in 1939, Remington (controlled by du Pont) received huge British ammunition orders. Because of a clause in the agreement with I.G, the British received an inferior cartridge lacking tetrazine.

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1920sp2.html

Worth a read as well

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1920sp4.html


Report of the Special Committee on Investigation of the Munitions Industry (The Nye Report), U.S. Congress, Senate, 74th Congress, 2nd sess., February 24, 1936, pp. 3-13.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/nye.htm

Report of the Special Committee on Investigation of the Munitions Industry (The Nye Report), U.S. Congress, Senate, 74th Congress, 2nd sess., February 24, 1936, pp. 3-13.

PHOTO OF NYE COMMITEE MEMBERS



FINDINGS

I. NATURE OF THE MUNITIONS COMPANIES

The committee finds, under the head of "the nature of the industrial and commercial organizations engaged in the manufacture of or traffic in arms, ammunitions, or other implements of war" that almost none of the munitions companies in this country confine themselves exclusively to the manufacture of military materials.

Great numbers of the largest suppliers to the Army and Navy (Westinghouse, General Electric, du Pont, General Motors, Babcock & Wilcox, etc.) are predominantly manufacturers of materials for civilian life. Others, such as the aviation companies and Colt's Patent Firearms Co., supply the greatest portion of their output to the military services. In addition to the manufacturers there are several sales companies which act as agents for various manufacturers.

There are also brokers dealing largely in old and second-hand supplies. In case of war, other companies, not at present producing any munitions, would be called upon to furnish them.

The Army manufactures its own rifles, cartridges, and field artillery. The Navy manufactures most of its own propellant powder, its own guns, and half of the battleships.

II. THE SALES METHODS OF THE MUNITIONS COMPANIES

The Committee finds, under the head of sales methods of the munitions companies, that almost without exception, the American munitions companies investigated have at times resorted to such unusual approaches, questionable favors and commissions, and methods of "doing the needful" as to constitute, in effect, a form of bribery of foreign governmental officials or of their close friends in order to secure business.

The committee realizes that these were field practices by the agents of the companies, and were apparently in many cases part of a level of competition set by foreign companies, and that the heads of the American companies were, in cases, apparently unaware of their continued existence and shared the committee's distaste and disapprobation of such practices.

The committee accepts the evidence that the same practices are resorted to by European munitions companies, and that the whole process of selling arms abroad thus, in the words of a Colt agent, has "brought into play the most despicable side of human nature; lies, deceit, hypocrisy, greed, and graft occupying a most prominent part in the transactions."

The committee finds such practices on the part of any munitions company, domestic or foreign, to be highly unethical, a discredit to American business, and an unavoidable reflection upon those American governmental agencies which have unwittingly aided in the transactions so contaminated.

The committee finds, further, that not only are such transactions highly unethical, but that they carry within themselves the seeds of disturbance to the peace and stability of those nations in which they take place. In some nations, violent changes of administration might take place immediately upon the revelation of all details of such transactions.

Mr. Lammot du Pont stated that the publication of certain du Pont telegrams (not entered in the record) might cause a political repercussion in a certain South American country. At its February 1936 hearings, the committee also suppressed a number of names of agents and the country in which they were operating, in order to avoid such repercussions.

The committee finds, further, that the intense competition among European and American munitions companies with the attendant bribery of governmental officials tends to create a corrupt officialdom, and thereby weaken the remaining democracies of the world at their head.

The committee finds, further, that the constant availability of munitions companies with competitive bribes ready in outstretched hands does not create a situation where the officials involved can, in the nature of things, be as much interested in peace and measures to secure peace as they are in increased armaments.

The committee finds also that there is a very considerable threat to the peace and civic progress of other nations in the success of the munitions makers and of their agents in corrupting the officials of any one nation and thereby selling to that one nation an armament out of proportion to its previous armaments. Whether such extraordinary sales are procured through bribery or through other forms of salesmanship, the effect of such sales is to produce fear, hostility, and greater munitions orders on the p art of neighboring countries, culminating in economic strain and collapse or war.

The committee elsewhere takes note of the contempt of some of the munitions companies for those governmental departments and officials interested in securing peace, and finds here that continual or even occasional corruption of other governments naturally leads to a belief that all governments, including our own, must be controlled by economic forces entirely.

III. THEIR ACTIVITIES CONCERNING PEACE EFFORTS

The committee finds, under this head, that there is no record of any munitions company aiding any proposals for limitation of armaments, but that, on the contrary, there is a record of their active opposition by some to almost all such proposals, of resentment toward them, of contempt for those responsible for them, and of violation of such controls whenever established, and of rich profiting whenever such proposals failed.

Following the peaceful settlement of the Tacna-Arica dispute between Peru and Chile, L. Y. Spear, vice president of Electric Boat Co. (which supplied submarines to Peru) wrote to Commander C. W. Craven, of Vickers-Armstrong (which supplied material to Chile):

It is too bad that the pernicious activities of our State Department have put the brake on armament orders from Peru by forcing resumption of formal diplomatic relations with Chile * *

When the proposal to control the international traffic in arms was made in 1924 the Colt licensee in Belgium wrote:

It is, of course, understood that our general interest is to prevent the hatching up of a new agreement plan "under such a form" (as Sir Eric Drummond says) "that it may be accepted by the governments of all the countries who manufacture arms and munitions of war."

It then proposed methods of "lengthening the controversies" and to "wear out the bodies occupied with this question."

The first great peace effort after the war was incorporated in the Treaty of Versailles and in the treaty of peace between the United States and Germany in the form of a prohibition on the manufacture, import, and export of arms by Germany. The manufacture and export of military powder by German companies, in violation of these treaty provisions first took place in 1924 and was known to the Nobel Co. (predecessors of Imperial Chemical Industries) of England and to the du Pont Co., but was not brought to the attention of the Department of State.

The du Pont officials explained that the violation was allowed because of the close commercial relations between the British and German chemical companies. Later, United Aircraft licensed a German company for the manufacture of its airplane engines. Sperry Gyroscope also licensed a German company for the manufacture of its equipment. Both the engines and the equipment were of military availability. (See part V, B, secs. II and III.)

The second peace effort was made in 1922, when the Washington Disarmament Conference took place, not long after the American shipbuilding companies had received post-war awards of destroyers at a cost of $149,000,000, and while battleships whose construction was left pending in 1917 were being completed.

The naval part of that conference succeeded in stopping a naval race. There was however, no effective action taken in regard to checking the use of poison gas, which was the other main subject for consideration. The committee's record is incomplete on the activities of the munitions companies in this connection, but does show their opposition to proposals for control of the chemical industry and their interest in the choice of chemical advisers to the American delegation.

The conference had been preceded by the sale of all the German chemical patents to the American companies for a small sum, extensive propaganda and expenditures for high-tariff protection on grounds of national defense, and the instigation and writing of news stories from London and Paris designed to give the American public the impression that France and England were engaged in the construction of great poison-gas factories of their own to offset the German ones.

Some of these were written by a du Pont agent under an assumed name. The Washington Conference operated in this atmosphere, and contented itself with repeating the declarations of The Hague conventions respecting the use of poisonous gases in warfare which had been violated during the war. Several delegations pointed out that this was no progress at all, but simply a reaffirmation of supposedly existing international law.

The embargo placed at the request of the Central (Nanking) Chinese Government on exports of arms to China was, according to the evidence, violated by American and European munitions companies. Shipments via Europe and Panama were frequently considered as a means of evading the embargo.

The Geneva Arms Control Conference of 1925 was watched carefully by the American and European munitions makers. They knew the American military delegates to the conference several weeks before the public was informed of their names, and one of them told the munitions makers that he believed a licensing system (the sine qua non of any control) to be undesirable.

Du Pont representatives made known their objections to publicity. At a conference at the Department of Commerce (prior to the convening of the Geneva Conference) the objections of the munitions manufacturers were considered carefully and reservations to the draft convention to be discussed at Geneva were made.

State Department documents not entered into the record ,give credit to the American delegation to the Geneva Conference for weakening the proposed draft convention in two important respects. The du Pont representatives (who attended the meeting at the Department of Commerce) later remarked of the final draft of the convention regarding the arms traffic signed at Geneva in 1925:

There will be some few inconveniences to the manufacture of munitions in their export trade, but in the main they will not he hampered materially.

The draft convention was widely advertised as a large step forward in the direction of control of the traffic in arms. It has, in 1936, not yet been ratified by sufficient States to put it into effect.

The influence of American naval shipbuilding companies on the Geneva Disarmament Conference of 1927 has been described in the committee's report on Naval Shipbuilding (74th Cong., Rept. 944). Their agent at Geneva claimed credit for the failure of that conference, which came at a time when the Big Three shipyards had been given orders by the Navy for $53,744,000 in cruisers, which would have been cut materially in case the conference had been a success. He was paid by the shipbuilders into 1929. The Navy has not denied to the committee that this agent of the shipbuilders was in possession of confidential Navy Department documents during the time of his activity at Geneva.

Following the Geneva conference an arms embargo resolution was introduced in 1928 by the chairman of the American delegation to that conference, Representative Burton of Ohio.

The munitions manufacturers, cocky with their success at Geneva, consulted with such allied interests as the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute, and found it unnecessary to appear in the front ranks of opposition to this resolution.

In 1932 Representative Fish introduced a resolution for a multilateral agreement renouncing the sale and export of arms. Du Pont representatives were active in lining up War and Navy opposition to it. In 1932-33 President Hoover supported an arms embargo which drew the comment from a du Pont representative:

Regarding the attempts of Mr. Hoover and the "cooky pushers" in the State Department to effect embargoes on munitions sent out of the country, I do not believe there is the least occasion for alarm at present.

The munitions people were active in opposition to the arms embargo proposal which was adopted in the Senate without opposition. Senator Bingham of Connecticut succeeded in killing the bill on reconsideration and received the thanks of the munitions people and of their organization, the Army Ordnance Association. The War Department also opposed the embargo.

In 1932, another disarmament conference was held at Geneva. By this time the failure to prevent the rearmament of Germany, described above, had resulted in great profits to the French steel industry which had received large orders for the building of the continuous line of fortifications across the north of France, to the French munitions companies, and profits were beginning to flow into the American and English pockets from German orders for aviation matériel. This in turn resulted in a French and English aviation race, and with Germany openly rearming the much-heralded disarmament conference which convened in 1932 has failed completely. It was pointed out by a committee member that Du Pont representatives were aware that--

the effect of the failure to check the treaty violation even goes to the extent of making a subsequent disarmament convention, if not improbable in its success, at least calculated to produce only an unworkable document.

In 1934, Congress adopted a joint resolution prohibiting, in effect, sales of munitions to Bolivia and Paraguay, then engaged in the Chaco War, for a period of almost 6 years. During these 6 years, the munitions companies had profited largely from the defeat of the Burton embargo proposal, offered in 1928.

The Chaco embargo, according to indictments issued by a Federal grand jury, was violated by the Curtiss-Wright Export Corporation and the Curtiss Aeroplane Motor Co. The lower court has held the embargo unconstitutional on the ground of delegation of power to the President.

Mayrink-Veiga, agents for many munitions companies in Brazil suggested that the embargo could be evaded by the shipment of planes to Europe first, stating that to be the Curtiss and Bellanca procedure.

In 1935, after a year of hearings by the special committee, a neutrality bill was passed including an embargo on arias, ammunition, and implements of war in the event of a state of war between two or more foreign states, and including a munitions-control board with power to issue export licenses. The Secretary of State has announced that not all the companies supposed to register under this law have done so. In 1936 an attempt was made to amend the neutrality law by holding the exports of necessary war materials (oil, copper, steel, etc.) to belligerents to normal quotas. This was defeated. Considerable quantities of those materials were already being exported to Italy, one of the belligerents in the Italo-Ethiopian War, and some of the exporting companies had connections and investments in Italy.

IV. THE EFFECT OF ARMAMENTS ON PEACE

The committee finds, under the head of the effect of armament, on peace, that some of the munitions companies have occasionally had opportunities to intensify the fears of people for their neighbors and have used them to their own profit.

The committee finds, further, that the very quality which in civilian life tends to lead toward progressive civilization, namely the improvements of machinery, has been used by the munitions makers to scare nations into a continued frantic expenditure for the latest improvements in devices of warfare. The constant message of the traveling salesman of the munitions companies to the rest of the world has been that they now had available for sale something new, more dangerous and more deadly than ever before and that the potential enemy was or would be buying it.

While the evidence before this committee does not show that wars have been started solely because of the activities of munitions makers and their agents, it is also true that wars rarely have one single cause, and the committee finds it to be against the peace of the world for selfishly interested organizations to be left free to goad and frighten nations into military activity.

The committee finds, further, that munitions companies engaged in bribery find themselves involved in the civil and military politics of other nations, and that this is an unwarranted form of intrusion into the affairs of other nations and undesirable representation of the character and methods of the people of the United States.

The export field of our munitions companies has been South America and China, with occasional excursions into Poland, Turkey, Siam, Italy, Japan, and other nations. There was less important dynamite loose in either South America or China than in western Europe. The activities of the munitions makers in Europe were of greater importance to the peace of the western world than their activities in either South America or China.

It will remain for commissions with full powers in the large European nations to report on the provocative activities of their companies, particularly to investigate the statements made in the French Chamber of Deputies, that Skoda in Czechoslovakia, a subsidiary of Schneider-Creusot, financed the Hitler movement to power, which, more than any one other event, can be credited with causing the present huge rearmament race in Europe, so profitable to the European steel, airplane, and munitions companies.

In South America there have, in the post-war years, been moments of severe tension, occasionally breaking out into war. One of these moments apparently came directly after the World War, when Chile bought from Vickers a considerable battle fleet. This caused agitation in Brazil, Argentina, and Peru, with Vickers taking the lead in Chile and Argentina, and Electric Boat Co. in Peru and Brazil. The situation was apparently so delicate that an administration countermanded an offer from the United States Navy to sell destroyers to Peru inasmuch as the sale might encourage an outbreak of war between Chile and Peru (exhibits 54, 57).

Later tension developed between Peru and Chile over the Tacna-Arica matter and Aubry, the Electric Boat Co. agent, felt that if he brought the contracts for submarines for Peru--

it would be a great blunder going to Argentina, for instance, via Chile (In this business we have to be tactful and a little diplomatist) and so in regard to Brazil as well as to the Argentine now that affairs are going to take place at the same time (exhibit 69).

Mr. Carse, president of Electric Boat, recognized the danger of armament when he pointed out in regard to financing Peruvian purchases "the armament which this money could purchase would not insure victory, as the other nation has much stronger armament and would tend more to bring conflict to a point than if they did not purchase the armament" (exhibit 61). It was sold, nevertheless.

The spreading effects of such fears were reported by Vice President Sutphen of Electric Boat:

It appears that there has been quite an agitation in Bolivia, as you know, and a revolution has occurred there recently, and in the opinion of the bankers it has been instigated largely by Peru to have Bolivia join with her in opposition to Chile (ex. 60).

Chile was the country which bought the original increased armaments. It was in this connection that Spear wrote Craven of the "pernicious activities" of the United States Department of State in helping the resumption of diplomatic relations between Chile and Peru.

The naval armament had its military side. Evidence read into the record during the Colt Co. hearing in 1936 indicated an arms race with intense activity on the part of all machine-gun manufacturers. The country which was credited with starting military armament "out of all proportion with that of other countries in South America" was identified as a country whose officials were the most susceptible to bribes.

The Department of Commerce obligingly furnished Colts the information that the arms race was bringing about a cabinet crisis in one of the countries reluctant to participate in it.

The statement of a Federal Laboratories salesman that "the unsettled condition in South America has been a great thing for me" is the key, and also, "We are certainly in one hell of a business where a fellow has to wish for trouble to make a living."

Colombia and Peru, at the time of the Leticia incident, were each kept well informed by the munitions companies of the proposed purchases of the other nation. The evidence of the Colt agent in Peru was that the Vickers agent, after unloading a huge armament order on Peru, had boasted to the Peruvians that he would sell "double the amount, and more modern, to the Chilean Government."

When a limited amount of materiel, such as machine guns, was available, Bolivia could be forced into ordering them on the threat that unless she acted quickly, Paraguay would get them. Killing the back-country Indians of South America with airplanes, bombs, and machine guns boiled down to an order to get busy because "these opera bouffe revolutions are usually short-lived, and we must make the most of the opportunity"

In China the munitions companies report that there was a certain amount of feeling between the Central (Nanking) Government and the Canton Government. The Boeing agent was able to sell 10 planes to the Canton Government. Referring to the Nanking (recognized) Government he wrote:

Their anger at us in selling airplanes to the Cantonese is more than offset by the fact that the Cantonese have gotten ahead of them and will have better equipment than they will have. In other words, the Canton sale is quite a stimulant to the sale up here.

The company, interested in making sales also to the recognized Nanking Government, replied:

If the present deal with the Cantonese can be put through, without unreasonable demands being made upon us, it is to our advantage to successfully conclude the business if for no other reason but for the effect it would have on the Nanking Government.

All this may be little more to the munitions people than a highly profitable game of bridge with special attention on all sides to the technique of the "squeeze" play, but to a considerable part of the world's inhabitants there is still something frightful in death by machinery, and the knowledge that neighboring governments have acquired the latest and fastest engines of destruction leads to suspicion that those engines are meant to be used, and are not simply for play and show.

At the time a naval bill for $617,000,000 was before Congress, the president of the Bath Iron Works in Maine asked the publisher of a string of newspapers to reprint a Japanese war-scare story, although the Chinese source of that story had been thoroughly discredited editorially by the newspaper originally publishing it, the New York Herald Tribune. He thanked the publisher for playing up the scare story (Report on Naval Shipbuilding).

Attempts to sell munitions frequently involve bribery, which, to be effective, must go to those high in authority. This is apt to involve the companies in the politics of foreign nations. Federal Laboratories, by putting itself at the disposal of the administration of Cuba and two opposing factions, all at the same time, is a case in point. The Colt agent in Peru reported on his helping overthrow the general in charge of ordnance orders. American airplane companies reported on the political influence of French and English airplane companies, in a certain European country. Sperry Gyroscope's representative reported on Vickers' (English) political influence in Spain, as did also Electric Boat Co. officials.

The political power of the companies is best indicated, however, by a letter from Mr. John Ball, director of the Soley Armament Co Ltd., of England, in which he pointed out that "the stocks we control are of such magnitude that the sale of a big block of them could alter the political balance of power of the smaller States."

V. THEIR RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

The committee first, under this head, repeats its report on naval shipbuilding, in which "the committee finds, under the head of influence and lobbying of shipbuilders, that the Navy contractors, subcontractors, and suppliers constitute a very large and influential financial group", and "the committee finds that the matter of national defense should be above and separated from lobbying and the use of political influence by self-interested groups and that it has not been above or separated from either of them."

The committee finds, further, that the munitions companies have secured the active support of the War, Navy, Commerce, and even State Departments in their sales abroad, even when the material was to be produced in England or Italy.

The committee finds that by their aid and assistance to munitions companies the War, Navy, and Commerce Departments condone, in effect, in the eyes of those foreign officials cognizant of the details of the transactions the unethical practices of the companies which characterize their foreign sales efforts.

The committee finds that the munitions companies have constantly exerted pressure on the War Department to allow the exportation of the most recent American improvements in warfare, and have usually been successful in securing it, and have also furnished plans of important new machines of war to their foreign agents in advance of any release by the War Department.

The committee finds that the War Department encourages the sale of modern equipment abroad in order that the munitions companies may stay in business and be available in the event of another war, and that this consideration outranks the protection of secrets. (General Ruggles was quoted: "It was vastly more important to encourage the du Pont Co. to continue in the manufacture of propellants for military use, than to endeavor to protect secrets relating to the manufacture.")

The committee finds that as improvements are developed here, often with the cooperation of the military services, and these improvements presumably give the United States a military advantage, we are in the anomalous position of being forced to let the other nations have the advantages which we have obtained for ourselves, in order to keep the munitions manufacturers going, so that the United States can take advantage of the same improvements which its companies have sold abroad.

The committee finds, from official documents it has not entered into the record, that the United States naval missions to Brazil and Peru have been given considerable help to American munitions makers, and that their participation and leadership in war games directed at "a potential enemy" have not advanced the cause of peace in South America, and that their activity can be misinterpreted by neighboring countries as support of any military plans of the nations to which they are attached.

The committee finds, from official documents which it has not entered into the record, that the sales of munitions to certain South American nations in excess of their normal capacity to pay, was one of the causes for the defaults on certain South American bonds; and that the sales of the munitions was, in effect, financed by the American bond purchasers, and the loss on the bonds was borne by the same people.

The committee finds that the Army Ordnance Association, consisting of personnel from the munitions companies, constitutes a self-interested organization and has been active in War Department politics and promotions.

The committee finds that the Navy League of the United States has solicited and accepted contributions from steamship companies, the recipients of subsidy benefits, and that it has solicited contributions from companies with large foreign investments on the ground that these would profit from a large navy and that its contributors have at times been persons connected with Navy supplies. The committee also finds that the Navy League together with various Navy officials have engaged in political activity looking toward the defeat of Congressmen unfavorable to Navy League and Navy views.

The committee finds, further, that any close associations between munitions and supply companies on the one hand and the service departments on the other hand, of the kind which existed in Germany before the World War, constitutes an unhealthy alliance in that it brings into being a self-interested political power which operates in the name of patriotism and satisfies interests which are, in large part, purely selfish, and that such associations are an inevitable part of militarism, and are to be avoided in peacetime at all costs.

The committee finds, finally, that the neutrality bill of 1936, to which all its members gave their support and which provides for an embargo on the export of arms, ammunitions, and implements of war to belligerents, was a much needed forward step, and that the establishment of a Munitions Control Board, under the Department of State, should satisfactorily prevent the shipment of arms to other than recognized governments.

VI. INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS OF MUNITIONS COMPANIES

The committee finds, under this head, that, among the companies investigated, the following have the most extensive foreign arrangements: F. I. du Pont do Nemours Co., Colt's Patent Firearms Co., Electric Boat Co., Sperry Gyroscope Co., Pratt & Whitney Aircraft Co.

The committee finds that the usual form of arrangement is a license to a foreign ally involving rights to manufacture and sell in certain parts of the world, together with more or less definite price-fixing agreements and occasionally profit-sharing arrangements, and that in effect the world is partitioned by parties at interest.

The committee finds that the granting of licenses to manufacture and sell to nations against which there were embargoes, such as Germany, was in practice a violation of the interest of such embargoes and nullified them.

The committee finds that the international commercial interests of such large organizations as du Pont and Imperial Chemical Industries may precede in the minds of those companies the importance of national policy as described publicly by the foreign office or State Department, and that such considerations of commercial interest were apparently foremost in the rearming of Germany beginning in 1924 and in the sale of a process which could he used to manufacture cheaper munitions in Japan in 1932, shortly after Secretary of State Stimson had taken steps to express the disapproval of this Nation for Japan's military activities in Manchuokuo.

Several aviation companies also licensed Japan for the use of their material in Manchuokuo at a time when the United States Government refused recognition to it. Recognition by munitions companies may be far more important than diplomatic recognition.

The committee finds that the licensing of American inventions to allied companies in foreign nations is bound to involve in some form the recurrence of experiences similar to those in the last war in which Electric Boat Co. patents were used in German submarines and aided them in the destruction of American lives, and ships, and that in peacetime the licensing involves the manufacture abroad, at lower costs, of American material.

VII. THE CHEMICAL INDUSTRY AND MUNITIONS

The committee finds a general acknowledgment of the importance of the commercial chemical industry to the manufacture of such instruments of warfare as high explosives and gasses, that most of the large industrial nations have granted their chemical companies considerable measures of protection in the interests of national defense, and that no effective control has to date been established over these large military resources.

These findings were concurred in by all members of the committee.

Alfred Mendes outlines the history of America's beloved First Family and some of their choice friends.


TIMELINE

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1897: Long-established Union Pacific Railroad (UPR) bankrupted.

1898: Edward Henry Harriman & legal partner, Judge Robert Scott Lovett, buy UPR for $110 million, a deal brokered by New York-based Kuhn Loeb investment bank house, of which Felix Warburg was a partner. During this period, Samuel Prescott Bush was president of the Buckeye Steel Castings Co.

1914: With war looming, Percy A. Rockefeller took control of the arms manufacturer, Remington Arms & appoints Samuel F. Pryor as CEO.

1918: Robert Scott Lovett (above) now president of UPR. Samuel Prescott Bush (above) made director of the facilities division of the US War Industries Board under its chairman Bernard Baruch & his assistant, the banker Clarence Dillon.

Nov.1919: George Herbert Walker forms W.A.Harriman & Co. bank - with Walker as president & chief executive, & Averell Harriman (son of Edward Henry Harriman - above) as chairman (He was to become US Ambassador to the USSR <‘43 - ‘46>; US Secretary of Commerce <‘46 - ‘48>; & Governor of NY State <‘55 - ‘59>)

1920: Averell Harriman & George Herbert Walker of W.A.Harriman & C0. gain control of the German Hamburg-Amerika Line after negotiations with the latter’s chief executive, William Cuno, & Max Warburg of the shipping line’s bankers, M.M. Warburg. The American holding now known as the American Ship & Commerce Corp. (ASCC). Samuel F. Pryor (above) of Remington Arms had been involved in the deal & now served on the board of ASCC.
(Cuno was subsequently to become a heavy contributor to Nazi Party funds). It should be noted that Averell Harriman was chairman of UPR from 1920-1946.

1922: Averell Harriman set up a branch of W. A. Harriman & Co. in Berlin under the residency of his partner, George H. Walker.

Oct. 1923: Fritz Thyssen’s contributions to the Nazi Party began with a donation of 100,000 marks (ref: his book “I Paid Hitler” ‘41).

Prior to ‘24: As revealed in a US government memorandum dated Oct. 5 ‘42 to the Executive Committee of the office of the Alien Property Custodian: “W. Averell Harriman was in Europe sometime prior to 1924 & at that time became acquainted with Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist”, and they agreed to set up a bank for Thyssen in New York. It adds that the Thyssen agent “H. J. Kouwenhoven..came to the United States..prior to 1924 for
conferences with the Harriman company in this connection”.

1924: W.A.Harriman & Co invested $400,000 in setting up Union Banking Corp. (UBC) in New York to act in partnership with the Thyssen-owned Bank voor Handel en Scheepvart (Bank for Trade and Shipping, BHS) in Holland. The UBC was now in a position to transfer funds back & forth between the US and Thyssen’s companies in Germany - his Vereinigte Stahlwerke (United Steel) in particular. Prescott Sheldon Bush Snr. (son of Samuel Bush, & son-in-law of George H Walker) joins the Harriman - controlled US Rubber Co.

1926: Prescott S. Bush Snr. made Vice-President of W. A. Harriman & Co. The Wall Street banker, Clarence Dillon (an old colleague of Prescott S. Bush Snr.’s father, Sam Bush - see above), of Dillon Read, set up the German Steel Trust with Thyssen & partner, Friedrich Flick, whereby Dillon Read would handle the Trust’s corporate banking in return for two Dillon

Read representatives being on the board of the German Steel Trust, whose chief executive was Albert Voegler, another German industrialist who was to help Hitler into power. He (Voegler) also held directorships in the BHS bank, & the Hamburg-Amerika Line. The UBC was by now in partnership with Friedrich Flick’s vast steel, coal & zinc conglomerate operating in Germany & Poland - the Silesian Holding Co. Walker, Bush, & Harriman now owned one third of Flick’s conglomerate, calling their holding the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corp.

1930/’31; As admitted by Fritz Thyssen during interrogation in Sept. ‘45, he arranged with Rudolph Hess for the transfer of “about 250-300,000 marks” via his (Thyssen’s) Dutch bank BHS to the Nazi Party - adding it was “about the sum I’d given before”. In total, he had donated & loaned more than one million dollars to the Nazi Party.

Jan. 1 ‘31: W. A. Harriman & Co. merged with the British-American investment house, Brown Brothers, resulting in Prescott S. Bush Snr., Thatcher M. Brown & the two Harriman brothers being the senior partners of the new Brown Brothers Harriman firm. A board member of Brown Bros., Robert A. Lovett (son of Robert Scott Lovett & Asst. Sec. for Air ; Under Sec. of State <‘47 - ‘49>; Dep. Sec. of Defense <‘50 - ‘51>; Secretary of Defense <‘51 - ‘53>), an American whose father had served on the War Industries Board of WW 1 with Sam Bush ), became another partner in the newly- merged firm. Prescott S. Bush Snr. now ran the New York office of the the newly-merged firm, while Thatcher Brown ran the London end. vCertain pertinent facts about Brown Bros. are worthy of note here: Montagu Collet Norman, governor of the Bank of England & well-known Nazi sympathiser, was not only an ex-Brown Bros. partner - his grandfather had also been boss of Brown Bros. during the American Civil War when they (Brown Bros.) were shipping 75% of slave cotton from the southern states of America to British mills.

1932: As reported by the US embassy in Berlin to Washington not long before Hitler’s taking over of power, questions were being raised as to who were the financial backers behind the Nazi Party electioneering & their 300,000 - 400,000 SA & SS troops - adding that the American-owned Hamburg-Amerika Line was funding propaganda against the German government’s attempts to disband these troops!

Jan. 1933: Hitler assumes power in Germany.


Mar. 7 ‘33: Prescott S. Bush Snr. notified Max Warburg (above) that he (Warburg) was to be the American Ship & Commerce Line official representative on the board of the Hamburg- Amerika Line. Warburg had been a long-time advisor to Hjalmar Schacht (German Economics Minister & a close friend of Montagu Norman), & was an executive in the Reichsbank. A further pertinent connection: Max Warburg’s brothers ran the Kuhn Loeb investment bank, which had handled E. H. Harriman’s buy-out of the Union Pacific Railroad in the 1890’s (above).

Mar. 29 ‘33: As revealed in Moshe Gottlieb’s book “American Anti-Nazi Resistance ‘33 - ‘41”, Max Warburg’s son, Erich, cabled his cousin, Frederick Warburg - who was a director of the Union Pacific Railroad - instructing him to use his influence to stop all anti-Nazi propaganda & activity in America.

Mar. 31 ‘33: As a result: the American-Jewish committee (within which the Warburgs had much influence) & The B’nai B’rith (which subsequently became known as the Anti-Defamation League) issued a joint statement counselling “that no American boycott against Germany be encouraged”!

May. 20. ‘33: As reported in the New York Times: on Hitler achieving power, an agreement to coordinate all trade between Germany & America was reached in Berlin after negotiations between Hitler’s Economics Minister, Hjalmar Schacht (above) & John Foster Dulles. As a result of this, the Harriman International Co. - under Oliver Harriman (Averell’s first cousin) - formed a syndicate of 150 firms/individuals to conduct all exports from Germany to America. It should be noted here that the two Dulles brothers, partners in the corporate law firm Sullivan & Cromwell, had acted for many Nazi enterprises during & after this period, including I. G. Farben, developer of the nerve gas, Tabun; SKF, supplier of 60% of its bearings to Germany; & the Schroeder Banking house, of which Allen Welsh Dulles became a director of its New York branch - a post he held until 1944. (Further pertinent details of the Dulles brothers: J. F. Dulles became Secretary of State <‘53 - ‘59>; A. W. Dulles became CIA Deputy Director for Plans <‘51>; Deputy Director of Central Intelligence <‘51 - ‘53>; & Director of CIA <‘53 -’61>).

Sept. 5 ‘33: North German Lloyd Co. merged with Hamburg-Amerika Line in Hamburg.


Nov. 4 ‘33: American Ship & Commerce Corp. (owners of Hamburg-Amerika - see above) installed long-time Harriman executive, Christian Beck as manager of ‘freight & operations’ in North America for this newly-merged company, now known as Hapag-LLoyd, whose chairman was Emil Helfferich, a Nazi. Nazi security guards accompanied all shipping so engaged in this trade.

Sept. ‘34: At the US Senate Nye Committee hearings, it was revealed that Samuel Pryor, executive ctte. chairman of Remington arms & founding director of both the UBC & the American Ship & Commerce Corp., had joined in a cartel agreement with I. G. Farben, the German chemical/armaments conglomerate (see above). It was further revealed that the Nazi troops (noted above) were “nearly all armed with American guns”.

Dec. 7 ‘41: Japanese bomb Pearl Harbour - US now in World War 2.

Aug. 28 ‘42: Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the US government - via Leo T. Crowley, the US Alien Property Custodian - ordered the seizure of all property of Hapag-LLoyd.

Oct. 20 ‘42: Leo T. Crowley, the US Alien Property Custodian - seized the stock shares of the Union Banking Corp. of New York, whose shareholders were: Chm./Dir. E. Rowland Harriman (of Brown Brothers Harriman); Pres./Dir. Cornelis Lievense (banking functionary for the Nazis); Treasurer/Dir. Harold D. Pennington (of Brown Brothers Harriman); Dir. Ray
Morris (of Brown Brothers Harriman); Dir. Prescott S. Bush Snr.(of Brown Brothers Harriman); Dir. H.J. Kouwenhoven (Dir./Chief foreign financial exec. of German Steel Trust & the man who had brokered the deal between Fritz & the UBC); Dir. Johann G. Groeninger (Industrial Exec. in Nazi Germany). These seized shares were described in the Vesting Order as “shares held for the benefit of members of the Thyssen family, property of nationals.. of a
designated enemy country”.

Oct. 28 ‘42: US government seized 2 Nazi front companies - the Seamless Steel Equipment Corp. & Holland-American Trading Corp. - both run by the UBC.

.Nov. 17 ‘42: Nazi financial interests (only) in Silesian-American Corp. (above) seized, leaving US partners (UBC) “to carry on the business”.

Jul. 2 ‘45: As revealed by the US Treasury Dept. in hearings before a 79th Congress committee: the Vereinigte Stahlwerke (see above) had produced the following proportions of Nazi Germany’s total output: Pig iron 50.8%; Pipe & tubes 45.5%; Universal plate 41.4%; Galvanised sheet 38.5%; Heavy plate 36%; Explosives 35%; Wire 22.1%.

1954: George Herbert Walker Bush Snr. (son of Prescott S. Bush Snr., grandson of Samuel Bush & George Walker - see above) now president of Zapata Offshore (oil drilling company). He had previously joined Dresser Industries & subsequently co-founded the Bush-Overby Development Co. (both in oil).

‘71 - ‘72: George Herbert Walker Bush Snr. made US ambassador to UN.

1972: George Bush Snr. made chairman of the Republican Party National committee.

‘74 - ‘75: In aftermath of President Nixon’s resignation
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:35 PM
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230. Bush knew about BIN LADEN and did NOTHING.
Whether criminally negligent or just plain treasonous, the little turd from Crawford and his cronies knew all about "bin Laden determine to strike in U.S."

Plot to assassinate Bush – reports

Ashcroft Flying High

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

Genoa braces for G8 summit



He coulda warned the flying public and people in New York City.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 09:18 AM
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204. I didn't have a dog in this fight...
Edited on Fri Jun-08-07 09:19 AM by Wednesdays
But good lord, I try to read what I thought would be an informative thread and see that all hell has broken loose...over what? Font sizes?

And to say OPERATIONMINDCRIME's and Buzz Clik's insults was over the top would be an understatement. "Ignore" is too good for the likes of them...here's hoping for some tombstones soon.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 09:36 AM
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205. you should have been able to read the deleted stuff
Thanks so much for your comments. "They" actually did show themselves AGAIN for what they are.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 09:49 AM
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206. I just don't GET the defense of BushInc on ANY level when there is SO MUCH OUT THERE
that is part of the historic record.

Democrats ineterested in moving past the crimes of BushInc are taking the Bill Clinton route and that is EXACTLY why a Bush2 administration, a 9-11 terror event, and this Iraq war happened.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:06 PM
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218. Oh Spare Me. What A Crock Of Shit.
And how dare you call for others tombstones. How utterly selfish and pathetic of you.

Tell me, which insults were over the top? Do you mind providing examples? It's all still right there.

You make your bias obvious and it is quite silly. How you can ascertain that my insults were over the top, yet the OP's were perfectly polite or not in need of comment, is as disingenuous and silly of a premise as I could imagine. You ain't foolin me, and your intent to stir up more animosity is quite clear.

But I implore you, please provide these over the top insults you speak of, that are so worthy of your misdirected anger and bitterness. I'll await them.

Thanks.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:12 PM
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219. playing the dead card OPERATIONMINDCRIME?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #219
222. I Stand Behind It. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #222
223. Good then there's absolutely no doubt about your integrity
Edited on Fri Jun-08-07 03:37 PM by seemslikeadream
and btw how many others did you call out for continuing to post while something more important was going on?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #223
224. That's The Point. I Had Integrity.
And it wasn't about continuing to post. It was about much more than that. But I don't expect you to get it, and I'm in no mood right now to explain it to you. So enough of the bullshit personal slander already. I've had enough from you and you are worth no more of my time. Go have your fun.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #224
225. Would you like for me to remind you of exactly what you posted?
It seemed very clear cut to me and quite a few others.


That is the point isn't it? Had
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #225
227. He said something absolutely disgusting
and of course he stands by it :eyes:.

Good for him it was deleted. I rarely (ok never) agree with OMC, but this was something that was objectively repulsive. I would have found what he said disgusting even if it was someone I was in agreement with on this topic.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #224
228. The fake outrage becomes you very well
At least three people other than seemslikeadream (and probably more) called you out on that. Good for you it was deleted. Integrity indeed :eyes:....

Too much man you are too much...

I think I am going to use the ignore function for the first time. You are a piece of work.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 09:54 AM
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207. Add Two:
Barrick Gold:

George Bush's "Heart of Darkness" -- Mineral Control and Africa
Barrick's Barracuda's

Bush, a gold swindle in Indonesia, and a 'dead' geologist who may still be alive.
Blog


The Vietnam Builders'(Brown & Root - Haliburton):

The Merchants of Blood - James Carter
Counterpunch

Longer version of above article

The Vietnam Builders: Private Contractors, Military
Construction and the ‘Americanization’ of United
States Involvement in Vietnam

HTML
PDF

Tired of Being Lied to? Modern History You Can't Afford to Ignore

Maureen Farrell's Three Part History Part 1 - BuzzFlash
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #207
208. "entrenched interests"
A couple years ago, historian Chalmers Johnson predicted that thanks to the "entrenched interests" of the military-industrial complex, the United States can look forward to a future of perpetual war, increased propaganda, fewer Constitutional rights, and a bloated executive branch. America, he warned,


"will cease to resemble the country outlined in the Constitution of 1787" unless there is a "revolutionary rehabilitation of American democracy."

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/05/11/far05001.html


Pardon my fonts, please?
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #208
209. No Need to Pardon?

Looks!!! FINE To Me

;-)!!!!!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #209
212. You make me feel like dancing MrPrax
:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:19 PM
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220. James R Bath, SuperTurd of the BFEE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2053861

James R Bath is George W Bush's buddy from the Texas Air National Guard. They got grounded together for refusing to take a physical (read: drug test) in 1972. If you want to see a copy of the actual document, ask and I'll post it for you.

So... later that decade, Bath becomes a bidnessman, Texas-style, and serves as the official business representative of two of the wealthiest Saudi families: the bin Mahfouz (banking, like, um BCCI) and the bin Laden (construction, Mecca and Afghan mountain redoubt).

The Honorable Skip Fox of the DU, made a solid post to chronicle the Little Turd from Crawford's life as a crooked businessman. Behold:


Forum: DCForumID38
Thread Number: 4933
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Original Message
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"HarkenGate, July 9, 2002 file:"
Posted by skip fox on Jul-09-02 at 04:38 PM

HarkenGate readily breaks down into five areas for investigation and discussion:

1.W. possibly built oil company and interests through favoritism or trading off his father's name (esp. Bahrain's naming of Harken as the oil company for the country's off-shore interests).

2. Harken's posted of phony financial statements, claiming incoming assets for a subsidiary it bought from itself. (A mere $8-12 million, a low-rent version of what Enron did a decade later.)

3. W.'s trading of stock based on possible knowledge of potential stock devaluation i.e., insider trading (2 possibilities):
–a. Knowledge of secret State Dept. memo claiming Hussain was ready to attack neighbors.
–b. Knowledge of Harken's dire straits as one member of a three-member "Fairness" (auditing) committee.

4. W.'s late filing of stock sales to SEC and variation in story as to reasons.

5. Possible favoritism shown to Bush's business "indiscretions" by SEC through father's influence and/or the possible reward to SEC investigator(s) by W. himself.

According, this first file breaks into these five areas with hotlinks and clipping of the stories focusing on each issue. The second file provides the base of documents from which the first file was drawn in a manner that the reader might follow the progression of the story. Both files begin with BACKGROUND, citing Joe Conason's thorough and clear overview of the narrative of W.'s fortune. To Joe's credit, he brings up nearly all of the five issues (and sub-issues) listed above. Pizzo's article is also a good background piece.

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BACKGROUND:

--Joe Conason's "Notes on a Native Son," Harper's Magazine, Feb. 2000. (A thorough, given article parameters, overview of George W. Bush's fortune. Harken is covered primarily on pp. 4-6 of item. Due to this article, Conason has been frequently quoted on Bush's corporate dealings):

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1111/1797_300/59086099/p1/article.html


–Stephen Pizzo, "Bush Family Values," Mother Jones, Sept.-Oct. 1992 (another good example of early reporting on Bush's fortunes):

http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/bushboys.html


Will Pitt's December 18, 2001 DU article, "King Midas in Reverse," also summarizes the major issues well and is a good read:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/01/12/18_midas.html


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1.THE POSSIBILITY THAT W. BUILT OIL INTERESTS BY TRADING OFF HIS FATHER'S NAME AT THE LEAST, FAVORITISM AT THE MOST:

Read Conason and Pizzi in Background.


Kevin Sack's "George Bush the Son Finds That Oil and Blood Do Mix," NY Times, May 8, 1999 (another excellent background piece concerning W.'s acquisition of a fortune, but Sack's clearly draws the personal and familial connections):

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/f/friedman/spring02/govt1/schedule/j/j1/bush.html


Tom Flocco, Wolrd Net Daily, laid it out clearly:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16298

<snip>

In October 1991, Time Magazine questioned why the tiny country of Bahrain would stake so much of its financial future on Harken Energy, which it labeled an "obscure, money-losing company with no refineries and no experience in offshore oil exploration." But the magazine also noted that oil-insiders speculated that Bahrain's rulers saw the arrangement as a way to gain influence with the Bush administration.

Mysteriously, primary reporters have also ignored what could point to a nexus regarding foreign policy and personal financial interests. Interestingly, the Village Voice in January 1991 reported that in 1990 the Bush administration signed an agreement with Bahrain that chose the small country as the permanent principal allied base in the Middle East, although it was some 200 miles away from the hostilities in Iraq and Kuwait.

The military-base deal came after Harken announced its Jan. 30, 1990, joint oil-drilling venture with Bahrain. So President Bush's key contributors and his son George W. were carrying on personal financial business with Bahrain at the same time decisions were being made regarding the possibility of a war in the Gulf.

And neither the president nor his adviser, George Jr., let the press know that Bahrain had been permitted to infuse $7.7 million in foreign cash to hire U.S. public relations firm Hill & Knowlton to lobby Congress and the American people; a stunning variety of opinion-forming devices and techniques were employed to inflame U.S. patriotic passions of war while personal financial interests were on the line.

<snip>


And it's even possible that some bin Laden money went to Bush's launching pad in the oil business (Arbusto) as the wealthy Saudi family sought to maintain favor with the Republican administration as Wayne Madsen reports in In These Times:

http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml


<snip>

In 1979, Bush's first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a
Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a
5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative
for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17)
to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto
money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the
September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting
that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden's, in Arbusto.

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged
his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact,
Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the
scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to
fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the '80s in what has
been called the "largest bank fraud in world financial history" by former Manhattan
District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the '80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit
for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial
support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

<snip>

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2. HARKEN'S POSTING OF PHONY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS CLAIMING ASSETS WITHOUT NOTING DEBITS AND BUSH'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE FRAUDLENT ACCOUNTING.


Paul Krugman's July 7 column spells it out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/opinion/07KRUG.html

<snip>

That's exactly what happened at Harken. A group of insiders, using money borrowed
from Harken itself, paid an exorbitant price for a Harken subsidiary, Aloha Petroleum.
That created a $10 million phantom profit, which hid three-quarters of the company's
losses in 1989. White House aides have played down the significance of this maneuver,
saying $10 million isn't much, compared with recent scandals. Indeed, it's a small
fraction of the apparent profits Halliburton created through a sudden change in
accounting procedures during Dick Cheney's tenure as chief executive. But for Harken's
stock price — and hence for Mr. Bush's personal wealth — this accounting trickery made
all the difference.

Oh, and Harken's fake profits were several dozen times as large as the Whitewater land
deal — though only about one-seventh the cost of the Whitewater investigation.

Mr. Bush was on the company's audit committee, as well as on a special restructuring
committee; back in 1994, another member of both committees, E. Stuart Watson,
assured reporters that he and Mr. Bush were constantly made aware of the company's
finances. If Mr. Bush didn't know about the Aloha maneuver, he was a very negligent
director.

<snip>

An unattributed editorial in the St. Louis Post Dispach July 7, 2002, puts it succinctly:

http://home.post-dispatch.com/channel%5Cpdweb.nsf/TodaySunday /
86256A0E0068FE5086256BEF002DD29E?OpenDocument&PubWrapper=Editorial

(You'll have to bind http address together to go directly.)


<snip>

...Harken sold a subsidiary to a group of its own insiders. It lent those insiders much of the money to make the purchase. Then Harken claimed a profit from the sale. It was almost as if the company were claiming profits for selling something to itself. Shades of Enron, Qwest and Dynegy, among others. The SEC cried foul. It forced the company to restate its earnings to show a much larger loss.

Did Mr. Bush approve of such accounting sleight of hand? After all, he was on Harken's audit committee. Or was he snoozing while management had fun with figures?

<snip>


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/08/MN139428.DTL

<snip>

Democrats hope to draw attention to a controversial deal by Harken to sell one of its subsidiaries, Aloha Petroleum, to a group of Harken insiders. The SEC later found that deal might have disguised at least $8 million in losses by Harken and asked the company to restate its 1989 earnings. Bush was on the audit committee of Harken's board at the time.

<snip>

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3. BUSH'S SELLING OF HARKEN STOCK BASED ON POSSIBLE KNOWLEDGE OF POTENTIAL STOCK DEVALUATION, I.E, INSIDER TRADING (2 possibilities):

–a. BUSH'S KNOWLEDGE OF A SECRET STATE DEPARTMENT MEMO CLAIMING HUSSAIN WAS OUT OF CONTROL AND READY TO ATTACK KUWAIT

Pizzo lays out the case:

http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/bushboys.html

<snip>

In May 1990, the U.S. State Department sent a chilling but still classified report to Scowcroft. The report warned that Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was out of control and was threatening his neighbors:

May 16, 1990
SECRET
Attached is a paper containing a list of options for responding to recent actions and statements by the Government of Iraq. ...We ask that you pass this paper to Robert Gates for his review.

Under "options" the memo suggested: Ban Oil Purchases: The largest benefit Iraq receives from the US is through our oil purchases...
PRO -- A total ban on oil purchases would have some short-term impact.
CON -- Such action might also have an impact on US Oil prices.

Oil companies had learned, during the years of the long Iran-Iraq war, that trouble in the gulf hurts companies with oil interests because, for one thing, at the first sound of a rifle shot in the gulf region, Lloyds of London jacks up insurance rates on oil tankers and company installations. The "wartime" rates are very high and cut deeply into company profits and investor confidence. If things really get out of hand, pipelines are destroyed and waterways are mined.

The secret memo augured ill for Harken's fledgling venture.

<snip>

(Memo is May, Bush sells in June!)

–b. KNOWLEDGE OF HARKEN'S POOR FINANCIAL SITUATION AS A MEMBER OF A THREE-MEMBER "FAIRNESS" (read: AUDIT) COMMITTEE :

Read Conason and Pizzi in Background.

Molly Ivins Feb. 15, 2002 Texas Observer article:

http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=562

<snip>

A month before Bush sold his stock, the Harken board appointed Bush and another company director, E. Stuart Watson, to a "fairness committee" determine how restructuring would affect ordinary stockholders.

Smith, Barney, Harris, Upham & Co., the financial consultants hired by Harken, told Bush and Watson only drastic action could save the company. So Bush sold his stock before the news became public. According to U.S. News & World Report, there was "substantial evidence to suggest that Bush knew Harken was in dire straits."

<snip>

Daschle's desire to look into the SEC's 1991 investigation of Bush (mostly on late filings, but also on possible insider trading):

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/08/MN139428.DTL


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4. BUSH'S LATE FILING OF STOCK SALES TO SEC AND VARIATIONS IN THE STORY

Real problems are brewing in this area. Did you notice that the story changed again in the last 24-36 hours?? The initial story had been that the SEC had misplaced the filings. But that didn't wash (since nobody at SEC was willing to take the heat for W.'s incompetence in a high profile case.) Recently he claimed that the hold up was due to Harken's lawyers. At Bush's Monday (June 8) press conference, he said that they are not clear what happened. Why can't the previous story, that Harken's lawyers filed months late, stand up under scrutiny??

A July 4, 2002, NYTimes story by Elisabeth Bumiller succinctly provides details on W's changed story about late filing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/04/politics/04BUSH.html?ex=1026532800
&en=249a29fcb97603b8&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER

You'll have to paste address together and register to read, but a shortened version without NYTimes registration necessity at:

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/3599668.htm

<snip>

Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary, said Wednesday. that Bush failed to promptly disclose the sale of stock 12 years. ago because of a ``mix-up'' with his lawyers. In 1994, however,. Bush blamed not his lawyer but the Securities and Exchange Commission for misplacing the proper forms.

Fleischer could not completely explain the inconsistency, and he said he did not know when or why Bush changed his explanation about the reason the sale was disclosed late.

. . .

Bush, who was on Harken's board of directors, has said that he quickly realized that the stock's slide would raise concerns that he had sold based on inside information, a potential crime. The suspicions grew when the SEC said that it did not have a document from Bush, a Form 4, that insiders must file when they sell stock. Bush did not file the Form 4, and officially report the sale, until March 1991.

But Bush had promptly filed another required document, a Form 144, disclosing his intent to sell the stock.

In 1994, when Bush was asked why he had not filed the Form 4, he said he thought he had and that the SEC must have misplaced it. But on Wednesday, Fleischer said the problem was a ``mix-up, a clerical mistake'' by lawyers for Harken.

``The best explanation is the attorneys thought the form hadbeen filed, which is what led George W. Bush to say he thought it had been filed and the SEC had lost it,'' Fleischer said. ``That was not the case.''


<snip>


http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/07/08_Harken.html

<snip>

Ari Fleischer who, if you read the. transcript of July 3, 2002's White House Press Briefing, craftily alleged. that Harken Energy's corporate attorneys were grossly incompetent. No, he didn't "say" they were grossly incompetent, but if you follow Fleischer's logic, you would have to conclude that this is what he meant. Apparently the attorneys neglected to read the deadline and filing instructions printed at the top of SEC Form-4: "This Form must be filed on or before the tenth day after the end of the month in which a change in beneficial ownership has occurred (the term "beneficial owner" is defined in Rule 16a-1(a)(2) and discussed in Instruction 4)." That is the tenth day after the end of the month . . .. Not 34 weeks.

. . .

I have never once worked with what I'd call an "upright" attorney who would dare miss a director's SEC filing deadline. In fact, if I were the assigned secretary to that lawyer, I would have been fired had I failed to note the deadline on my own working calendar.


<snip>

The third change in the story, Chicago Trib:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum /
duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=25150&forum=DCForumID5

(You'll have to paste address back together to go direct and then register, but here is the salient paragraph.)

<snip>

Changing his response for a third time, Bush said he did not know why some of the
forms he was required to file with the Securities and Exchange Commission about his
1990 sale of nearly $850,000 in Harken Energy Corp. stock were 34 months late reaching
the SEC. He earlier had blamed the SEC for losing the documents, and then a "mix-up"
by Harken's attorneys.

<snip>

David Scheim, for Campaign Watch, summarizes the SEC's final disposition on Bush's sales:

http://www.campaignwatch.org/more1.htm

<snip>

. . . the SEC had not exonerated Bush. On October 18, 1993, Bruce A. Hiler, the SEC's associate director for enforcement, wrote a letter to Bush's lawyer stating that "the investigation has been terminated as to the conduct of Mr. Bush, and that, at this time, no enforcement action is contemplated with respect to him."7 Bush claimed he had been cleared, and the head of the SEC's enforcement division, William McLucas, went beyond the letter and stated that "there was no case there."8

Yet Hiler's official letter had added that it "must in no way be construed as indicating that the party has been exonerated or that no action may ultimately result from the staff's investigation ."9

<snip>


Knut Royce's report for The Public i stresses the SEC connection:

http://www.public-i.org/story_01_100400.htm
and he follows it up with another:

http://www.public-i.org/story_01_100400.htm


Informational: Nederland posted this in DU July 8, 2002

<snip>

Mr. Bush followed the law by informing regulators of his intention to sell stock in Harken Energy Corp., a Texas oil company, in 1990. But he conceded that because of a "mix-up, a clerical mistake" by Harken lawyers, Mr. Bush had not promptly reported the sale after it took place.

Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/03/politics/main514190.shtml


As I mentioned before, its the intention to sell (form 144) that is the important document. The document indicating that you actually sold your stock (form 4), is generally regarded as a formality.

<snip>

and Nederland follows up with:

<snip>

This form must be filed with the SEC as notice of the proposed sale of restricted securities or securities held by an affiliate of the issuer in reliance on Rule 144. Notice on the form is only required when the amount to be sold during any three-month period exceeds 500 shares or units or has an aggregate sales price in excess of $10,000. The sale must take place within three months of filing the form and, if the securities have not been sold, an amended notice must be filed.

Link: http://www.sec.gov/answers/form144.htm


As you can see, the form must be filed within three months of the sale, not in the "next couple of years" . . . .

<snip>

The seriousness of late filings?? Frank Rich's "All the President's Enrons," NY Times (July 6) provides only a brief paragraph on Harken, but includes the sentence, "A Presidential spokesman assured us . . . that this infraction amounted to nothing more than driving 60 in a 55-mile-an-hour zone.")

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/06/opinion/06RICH.html


Daschle's desire to look into the SEC's 1991 investigation of Bush (mostly on late filings, but also on possible insider trading):

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/08/MN139428.DTL


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CONTINUED. THIS IS ONE IMPORTANT READ. GO TO THE LINK AND GET THE ENTIRE THREAD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4933&forum=DCForumID38&archive=

Thanks for the excellent job, Skip! You still rock, wherever you are!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:23 PM
Response to Original message
221. The Bush family have been likened to the Mafia by many authors
maybe they are right? Hard to catch.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #221
229. They bring to mind the phrase ''Bush Family Evil Empire''
Know your BFEE Log




Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=872755


Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace. Always.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x250447


Know your BFEE: They kill good soldiers like Col. Ted Westhusing for profit...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x126094


Know your BFEE: America’s Ruling Gangster Class

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2969845


Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and ''Conspiracy Theorists'' at Ford Funeral

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3029417


Know your BFEE: Robert Gates did more than keep the doors open at BCCI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2810465


Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2591203&mesg_id=2591203


Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2401056


Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2418621


Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2214484


Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2082945


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1946852


Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1547206&mesg_id=1547206


Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1366764


Know your BFEE: Lies Are the Currency of Their Realm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1170858


Know your BFEE: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=928662


Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=757860&mesg_id=757860


Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=602016


Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=266685


What the heck, this belongs here, too:

BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=417774


Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=133897


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5333644


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5233814


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5077403


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5027094


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3953519


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3908104


Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3853409


Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3743890


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3699042


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3601654


Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3389867


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004



These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455


Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3193142


JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5501005&mesg_id=5501005


Plame Affair makes clear: USA is run by TRAITORS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4200507

BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4045149

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x46709


And for all my friends in those hard-to-reach mental areas:

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4086438




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