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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:56 PM Original message |
How do you define working class? |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Some would say "working class" is as much a state of mind as of money... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. There is no such thing as a gentleman. |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. Yeah, I agree. |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:01 PM Original message |
Is he paid by the hour? |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. See, there's another way to look at it. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. sometimes it seems to me that salaried people |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Anyone who needs to cash their check the day they receive it. n/t |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Well, I don't need to cash mine the day I get it |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Yeah, you're right. |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. working class folk have to take their shower *AFTER* work |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. So, you define working class by "physical labor," as in |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. broadly yes. folks who work in offices are usually middle or professional |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
78. I haven't seen that to be the case. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
77. You could say that, but electricians & plumbers make better money than most white-collars... |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. What's the opposite of working class? |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. If you have to work everyday to earn a paycheck to survive,.......... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. I See Some People Say This Yet For The Life Of Me Can't Find A Single Reputable Source That Defines |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Well excuse me!............... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. We're Talking About American Definitions Here. |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. My friend does not accept this definition...he kept on |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Well There's Theoretics And There's Actual Classes. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
79. A lot of white collar jobs are hourly and low-paid. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. American definition? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. a definition that makes Michael Jordan and Katie Couric and I |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
57. Poorly, but its from Marx, so what else should we expect |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 02:09 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Perhaps 'WE' shouldn't be so concerned about defining classes....... |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I.m not, you might want t take that up with the OP |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Agreed. Great response. Thanks. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
70. Middle class people live paycheck to paycheck too |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Sounds upper middle class, not working class. |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. I agree with you, Rex,...during our discussion |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Same here, my livelihood depends on a paycheck every two weeks. |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. I think if you can choose to work or not work, you are not working class. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. lower middle is household income of $18,500 - $34,738 |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. except that I make $10,000 a year |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I think you'd still technically be part of the leisure class if you didn't work. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. then technically the homeless are in the leisure class too |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. I've saved money up in a savings and needed it |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I did not say it was wise or sustainable |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. More people live paycheck to paycheck today. They don't invest |
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. "working class" to me means roughly the same as "blue collar". PhD's |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. Technically, anyone who earns a paycheck on which his or her living expenses depend |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Well, his wife doesn't work in an office |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Does she have no office or room she works out of |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. She trains teachers on how to work with |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. We should all be so "working class". n/t |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
10. Anyone who |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. by their tastes |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Wow! By my count, that's at least a triple-edged comment |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Thanks! |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Yeah |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. If he identifies with working people making much less, I say we let him in |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
13. Anyone who has to suck ass to keep a job so they can live is working class |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
19. Though It's A Bit Open To Interpretation, In America The Most Accepted And Popular One Would Be |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
20. I might have an unusual perspective on that one.... |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Congratulations on your success! |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. no, but I'd be REALLY interested in making those contacts.... |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Now THAT is a good example of what I mean. |
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DianaForRussFeingold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. WOW! You are an inspiration! You are working class with lots of extra Class! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
32. I don't. Supposedly rigid definitions are the provenance of rigid minds. |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
34. Working Class are the "proletariat", comrade! |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Wow. I'm part of the bourgeoisie. |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
37. Anyone who lives paycheck to paycheck |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. No, he simply thinks of himself as |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. anyone can live paycheck to paycheck |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
48. well, yeah, problem with that definition is that it can include people making $200k or more a year |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. A rule of thumb is to ask: would you rather be unable to invest or unable to work |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. well, maybe not in some cases. But its hard to come up with a uniform definition |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
49. Socioculturally, or economically? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
51. Can he set up business on his own? Teachers generally cannot these days, lawyers and doctors can... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
52. Anyone who lives off their OWN labors instead of the labors of others. |
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24HRrnr (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
59. Thank you |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
60. Easy: Somebody who primarily relies on hourly wages instead of residual income |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
61. There isn't a clear cut definition for working class |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
65. They are working class if they don't have another source |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
69. One of you is talking about economic class, and the other is talking about social class. |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
71. I define it by what will happen if you lose your job |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
72. Personally I define it as the class which cannot save. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
73. Working class? It depends on several factors: |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
74. dupe |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
75. The distinction between "middle" and "working" class is somewhat muddled nowdays. |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
80. My definition is WHO pays you. Working class is when you are being payed by |
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cory817 (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
81. it's hard because |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
82. Anyone who sells their labor...up to a point |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
83. Yearly income and type of work/education required to do that work and the options available |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
84. Working class |
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