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yojon Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:24 AM
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Incredible photo from G8 protest
It was published in Der Spiegel on line. Couldnt find anything about the protests in the NY times..


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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:27 AM
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1. Do you often glorify violence as "incredible"
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:29 AM
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3. stating it is incredible does not 'glorify' it

it is an incredible photograph
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yojon Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:31 AM
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4. Not usually
but this issue seems to have energized young people in ways that I have never seen around here. I am astonished that kids in the US are so sleepy and indolent. Most of the people at our anti war protests are middle aged and older. Very few people in their teens and 20s. My 20 year old thinks it is futile. The globalization issue has got the young people angry and activated. This kind of courage and commitment may be what it takes to turn things around.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:48 AM
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8. Oh bollocks - throwing bricks at policemen is not "courage and commitment"
It's adrenaline from a protester with nothing to say. He'll grow out of it, hopefully without injuring anyone in the process.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:21 AM
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11. I think this kid is rare, even in Europe.
And, though rare, you can find people like him everywhere, including the US. Remember Seattle and Miami?

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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:58 AM
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14. I'm not a fan of violence
But this picture is still incredible.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:29 AM
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2. you're right-- it's both an excellent photo and a superb journalistic moment....
:bounce:
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:32 AM
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5. i dont see anything in that picture that I care for.
Neither the stormtroopers nor the fool with his brick.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:37 AM
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6. Agree with you. nt
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:55 AM
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9. Our founders looked like nothing so much as fools with a brick when they stood against the British
or this fool standing against tanks with shopping bags.



There comes a point when you have to stand up and say No!
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 05:57 PM
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32. i have no problem with a shopping bag, or flowers or a sign or
any reasonable means of protest.
the black bloc people are just giving them justification for the violence and its a tactic destined to fail.

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 10:43 AM
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7. yes incredible - very brave protester - proud member of the

stone throwers of the world for freedom and peace.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:18 AM
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10. Ever hear of the Boston Massacre?
Citizens throwing stones at soldiers. Soldiers overreacting.

What's the difference?

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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:56 AM
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12. I'm going to agree with you -
that is an incredible photo.

I'm not condoning it - but why are we so damn lethargic that we have to outsource protests??
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:57 AM
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13. Once you start throwing bricks at cops, your moral highground is gone. n/t
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:58 AM
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15. Good point.
Incredible photo, but you are correct.
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:50 PM
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16. Great photo, bad idea... on both sides. nt
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:52 PM
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17. While war criminals like Kissinger enjoy the silence at Bilderberg




http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=...

Bilderberg confidential:

As Kissinger spoke, preparations for the Bilderberg gathering were going on at the Ritz Carlton, with heightened security in the vicinity. The police put up metal barriers around the hotel making sure no one gets close and a group of policemen were waiting in front of the Beşiktaş İnn Stadium close to the hotel.

No one in the area seemed to know what was going on inside the Ritz Carlton.

A waiter from a nearby caf, who refused to give his name, said he knew nothing about the meeting. A seasonal worker from Tokat, a central Anatolian city, working in the reconstruction of pavements just across the hotel said, �businessmen were inside.�

�They came yesterday,� said 44-year old Hsamettin ifti. �I do not think that they will talk politics.�

.....
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:22 PM
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18. That photo can be taken many different ways but
Those black masked "protesters" that run around throwing bricks and destroying property are disrupters owned by the system, for the purpose of discrediting the protests. Note how at least a couple of the stormtroopers are aware of this and are holding back the others.

The photo was either a lucky shot or a staged photo-op that reveals a bit too much. It is a good shot regardless.

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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:51 PM
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19. They're owned by the system?
Do you have evidence? Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:42 PM
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20. The "evidence" is that it's been happening since at least the 60s
and probably way earlier than that -- back to union busting days.

Tell me, just what kind of "evidence" would you expect and require for this type of thing?
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:03 PM
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24. So if a protest turns violent, then this indicates that the "system" is behind the protest?
I guess the Shah must have been behind the Islamic Revolution then.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:24 PM
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29. Oh, aren't you just so clever?
You're getting on my last nerve. Nevertheless, I'll respond -- this time. But probably not much more. I don't get the feeling your heart is in this discussion, if you know what I mean.

This doesn't apply to all protests. It applies to those in the U.S. primarily (butnot exclusively, givent he WTO and G-8 type protests), BY LIBERAL TYPES (this is very important), esp. the young, and esp. for or against anything that threatens the power of the Power Structure.

Lefties aren't violent, which is a fact so self-evident that I have to ask myself why you're posing quetions that clearly indicate you don't seem to be aware of the FACT that Lefties aren't particularly violent.

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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:45 PM
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28. They do it all the time
Google Cointelpro and AIM (American Indian Movement), Black Panthers, MLK, Vietnam.

Labeling it as conspiracy theory does not make it untrue.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:50 PM
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23. They are Anarchists and could be working for anyone....
They do distract from the protestors tying to get their message out though. Sad thing is...that without the anarchists the protests wouldn't get any attention at all. It's a Catch 22.... :-(
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:00 PM
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21. Oh yeah, that's incredible.
:eyes:

The rock throwers always show up.


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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:28 PM
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22. Its a song about a man...
who is at the point where he is ready to take up arms against his oppressor..
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:31 PM
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25. The guy looks so dressed for battle. I used to get so pissed off with
police making a show at demonstrations..until I saw there were people there "ready for battle". What happened to the demonstrations I used to go to in the 1980s..where police presence was minimal and everyone was well behaved?

Nobody should be hurt at a demonstration. It should be a time of standing together to make the government notice. Not riots. Children should be there. It is an important time in the life of a Liberal. I always like the people who brought flowers and handed them out.
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:33 PM
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26. Tip: Dont throw bricks at police.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:34 PM
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27. That's pretty nasty.
Those guys don't have sheilds. Flying bricks hurt.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:33 PM
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30. That is an incredible picture, how about this one?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 11:38 PM
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31. That guy supposed to be warring or peacing?
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 11:40 PM by lonestarnot
or just target brick tossing? What is his position? I'd say he is probably hurt'n about now.
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