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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:56 AM
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If George W. Bush had a (D) after his name, would he have been Impeached
by now? What would have been the specific charges, and more importantly, who would have brought them?

Just for fun, ask a Republican this question and watch what happens!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:57 AM
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1. The Dems would never have nominated this asshole.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:58 AM
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2. Remember LBJ???????????????
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:59 AM
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6. Hey, welcome to DU, MNDemNY!
:hi: Good to have you here.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:05 PM
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13. Right. And the Democratic Party changed radically after his stint.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:31 PM
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30. LBJ got the White House due to the assasination of John Kennedy
and he was the incumbent in 1964 when he won that election by the widest margin up to that time.

It's not like he was an untested party nominee. He had been in the Oval Office for a year prior to that election.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:31 PM
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31. Remember the Civil Rights Act? War on poverty?
Edited on Fri Jun-01-07 12:32 PM by Warpy
Remember that LBJ was president because Kennedy got assassinated? Remember that a sitting president was unlikely not to have gotten the nod in the next election?

Johnson was a mixed bag with a great domestic policy and a catastrophic foreign policy.

Stupid is the worst of all bad presidents rolled into one overgrown frat boy package.

However, if the DLC, in its infinite wisdom, had nominated a putz just like him and cheated him into office, you can bet he'd have been impeached long before now.

The GOP has a history of politically motivated impeachments. The Dems don't seem to think any treasonous bastard is bad enough to impeach.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:50 PM
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50. HIS domestic policy???
HHH ran the homefront.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:15 PM
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48. To be fair, LBJ was not nominated.
He took JFK's place.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:02 PM
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52. Who should have been impeached and wasn't.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:13 PM
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57. Read Robert Caro.
LBJ was a self-made man who worked at being the best politician he could be from the time he was a teenager. He was probably one of the most brilliant minds ever to be President. You may disagree with his policies & tactics, you may criticize his personality & behavior. But never make the mistake of thinking he's similar in any way to the current occupant of the White House.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:01 PM
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9. That's not the question, though
Presume that all things were equal with the one and only exception being a (D).
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:06 PM
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14. No. They wouldn't impeach him.
For all the same reasons we aren't impeaching Bush.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:16 PM
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19. hahah -- what are you smoking?
Jeff Gannon would have been enough for the Rethugs.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:18 PM
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23. Gannon was given press credentials.
That's an impeachable offense?

No wonder this place is going insane for impeachment. :eyes:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:32 PM
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32. And a blowjob was?
I think you're missing out on the ironic nature of this little exercise.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:43 PM
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34. The blowjob was not in the articles of impeachment.
There is no irony in this exercise. It's a misdirected chucklefest.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:47 PM
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35. Where's the misdirection?
If Clinton had pulled 1/10th of the shit * has pulled, he'd have not only been impeached, he'd have been removed. The only misdirection here is the attempt to pretend otherwise.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:55 PM
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38. You fucking thought he was impeached for getting a hummer.
:rofl:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:59 PM
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42. Sigh -- robotic literalness as substitute for debate
I said no such thing, and your deliberate misinterpretation makes you look like a moron. Clinton lied about many things while he was in office. It was the blowjob that put the Rethugs into such a tizzy. I can't believe I have to explain this.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:03 PM
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43. And now the insults.
ignore...
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:08 PM
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46. Cool. Now maybe the grownups can talk.
Edited on Fri Jun-01-07 02:03 PM by jgraz
I love this: you deceitfully misinterpret my post, laugh at me for it and then run away crying "insults!!" when you get called on it. Does someone need to up their meds?

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:51 PM
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36. True, but lying about one was
Do you honestly believe that when press reports about use of intelligence, illegal wiretapping, failure to 'protect the troops', etc. came forth that the Congress would not seek Impeachment (led by enraged Republicans)?

Guess we'll just have to disagree on this one.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:57 PM
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41. We kinda agree -- we both agree that he's committed impeachable offenses.
But, I don't think he should be impeached. Nor do I think he'd have been impeached if he were Bush(D) rather than Bush(R).

We have some enormous issues that will not be cured by ridding ourselves of the puppet. We need to purge the entire system.
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Progressive_In_NC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:45 PM
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49. If Bush were a Dem and he was serving the Military Industrial Complex
Then yes, I do believe that they would not have impeached him by now. You don't mess with the place most of your money and access once you get to Washington comes from.

That's why Dems haven't done a thing.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:06 PM
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53. You just described Clinton
and look what happened to him. Of course, the Dems did very little in that case as well.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:58 AM
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3. In a heartbeat!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:58 AM
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4. It IS an interesting mind game I play often.
And the outcome is always the same, if Clinton had done ANY of the many treasonous things w has he'd have been hung from the nearest cherry tree.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:58 AM
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5. I doubt anyone talked of impeaching LBJ.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:00 PM
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7. probably
But that's because Democrats would've turned on him. The problem isn't that Democrats aren't going after chimpy, its that repubs will stand with him until the bitter end.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:00 PM
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8. September 12, 2001, they would have started proceedings
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:16 PM
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20. No shit -- just like we should have
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:55 PM
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39. IF he was even allowed to get that far
Somehow, I don't think they would have allowed him to even take the Oath.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:02 PM
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10. It would depend on if the GOPers would make more money
if he were impeached or unimpeached.

The same way it works under Dem control today.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:03 PM
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11. Ask a Republican and they will tell you Bush IS a Dem
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:05 PM
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12. That's a more recent development
now that they've run out of excuses for him. What would their patience have been if he were officially a (D)?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:07 PM
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16. well, they been saying it more and more these last few years,
"Bush is too liberal"

"Bush's problem is that he caves into the liberals too much"

etc

Basically trying to link his failures to liberalism.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:54 PM
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37. Exactly. So, then, if he officially had the (D)/Liberal label politically
they would not have supported him in any way.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:56 PM
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40. I am not saying it stands up to logic or critical thinking. Its a Republican belief, after all
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:07 PM
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15. A Democratic president who stole the election through the same Florida fiasco used by bush
would have never made it to office for his attempted coup. The rightful winner would have been appointed by the dancing supremes.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:17 PM
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21. And the right wouldn't have let up until that candidate was in jail
Again, just like Gore should have done.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:13 PM
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17. Yes.
And probably executed during half-time at the Superbowl.

TC
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:13 PM
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18. George D.W. Bush....nope makes no difference he's still a shit-head
...and still unimpeachable because....HIS FAMILY HAS WEALTH AND POWER AND ARE CORRUPT AND DO CRIMINAL THINGS!

People like that would NEVER be democrats even if they pretended to be.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:18 PM
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22. He would have been chased out of the WH by a mob
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:19 PM
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24. The hypocrisy is amazing.
Republicans now cry and whine on the floor about how they are being treated by the Dems, how they didn't have enough time to read something, blah blah blah, and they did the very same things, or worse, during the 109th Congress.

I remember more than once bills being presented very late at night that were going to be voted on the next day.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:23 PM
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27. I also remember more than once how Dems were locked out of
conferences, bills were written "in secret" in the "middle of the night by lobbyists", and handed out about an hour before they were to be debated.

Cons only want more time for the bills so they can fax them over to K Street for comments.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:19 PM
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25. Bush does have a (D) after his name.
For Dumbshit.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:24 PM
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29. LOL!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:22 PM
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26. It'd be like the lynch mob at the end of Frankenstein.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:24 PM
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28. If it were Gore and he had done everything exactly the same
including the Faith based initiative, he would have been strung up or assassinated by now.
And the Dems would not have won in 06.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:33 PM
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33. Impeached, convicted, and removed from office.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:05 PM
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45. And probably jailed for life, too! n/t
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:03 PM
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44. The list of "Things * does that would've gotten Clinton impeached and probably shot"
is very long indeed. But when the Dear Leader does them, even people on DU will claim that impeachment is a waste of time. :banghead:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:09 PM
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47. The vote would be 4 to 5
with Sandy voting against the plaintiff ...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:59 PM
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51. He would have never even been IN the White House
he would have been routinely attacked in the press as an ignorant cowboy wannabee who could not link 3 words together without swallowing his tongue,

he would have been called a drunk...a deserter..a slacker who clung to daddy's threadbare coattails..

he would have been questioned relentlessly about the harken deal..
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:08 PM
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54. Another question would be, would Democrats then be supporting his crimes out of party loyalty?
I sure hope the answer is no.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:11 PM
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56. They supported LBJ out of party loyalty.
Despite his crimes in Vietnam.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:16 PM
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58. Well then isn't party loyalty to that extent a sort of brainwashing?
In the face of such crimes why would any moral man or woman continue to support them just based on a label? What a sad stateemnt for humanity.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:10 PM
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55. impeached? he never would have been able to steal the election
our team plays fair, their teams cheats, so they have an overwhelming advantage in any arena where cheating goes unpunished

also, stupid people are not allowed to run for president in the democratic party, not in recent years anyway, put the brain power of our candidates up against the brain power of their line-up of alcoholics, senile dementia victims, and drug addicts (how could we have forgotten so soon that poppy bush was a vomiting active drug addict who stammered pathetically thru his presidency, now that he's bush the smarter next to his moron son?)

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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:18 PM
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59. Then why don't Democrats in Congress support the end of electronic voting?
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