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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:26 PM
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The Case for Bombing Iran
I hope and pray that President Bush will do it.

BY NORMAN PODHORETZ

At certain points in that earlier war, some of us feared that the Soviets might seize control of the oil fields of the Middle East, and that the West, faced with a choice between surrendering to their dominance or trying to stop them at the risk of a nuclear exchange, would choose surrender. In that case, we thought, the result would be what in those days went by the name of Finlandization.

In Europe, where there were large Communist parties, Finlandization would take the form of bringing these parties to power so that they could establish "red Vichy" regimes like the one already in place in Finland--regimes whose subservience to the Soviet will in all things, domestic and foreign alike, would make military occupation unnecessary and would therefore preserve a minimal degree of national independence.

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If, then, under present circumstances Ahmadinejad could bring about the extraordinary degree of kowtowing that resulted from the kidnapping of the British sailors, what might he not accomplish with a nuclear arsenal behind him--nuclear bombs that could be fitted on missiles capable of reaching Europe? As to such a capability, Robert G. Joseph, the U.S. Special Envoy for Nuclear Non-Proliferation, tells us that Iran is "expanding what is already the largest offensive missile force in the region. Moreover, it is reported to be working closely with North Korea, the world's No. 1 missile proliferator, to develop even more capable ballistic missiles." This, Joseph goes on, is why "analysts agree that in the foreseeable future Iran will be armed with medium- and long-range ballistic missiles," and it is also why "we could wake up one morning to find that Iran is holding Berlin, Paris or London hostage to whatever its demands are then."

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In short, the plain and brutal truth is that if Iran is to be prevented from developing a nuclear arsenal, there is no alternative to the actual use of military force--any more than there was an alternative to force if Hitler was to be stopped in 1938.

Since a ground invasion of Iran must be ruled out for many different reasons, the job would have to be done, if it is to be done at all, by a campaign of air strikes. Furthermore, because Iran's nuclear facilities are dispersed, and because some of them are underground, many sorties and bunker-busting munitions would be required. And because such a campaign is beyond the capabilities of Israel, and the will, let alone the courage, of any of our other allies, it could be carried out only by the United States. Even then, we would probably be unable to get at all the underground facilities, which means that, if Iran were still intent on going nuclear, it would not have to start over again from scratch. But a bombing campaign would without question set back its nuclear program for years to come, and might even lead to the overthrow of the mullahs.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=11...

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...

McCain Strikes again....
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:27 PM
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1. Heres all * needs to bomb Iran...they have oil.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:29 PM
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2. "The internal reformation and modernization of Islam."
- Podhoretz's argument for region-wide PNACian regime changes

Actual quote, folks.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:36 PM
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5. But the neocons in power
always want to attack the shi'ite or secular countries (like Iran, Iraq, Syria).

They never a lift a finger against the absolute monarchies, most of which are fundamentalist sunni (they prefer to do multibillion dollar business deals with them - notice how Halliburton has moved to Dubai and the Neo-Repubs tried to sell American ports to Dubai!).
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:29 PM
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3. Remember, bombing Iran is on Pelosi's table. Impeaching Bush is off.
Ain't they got wonderful values?
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:34 PM
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4. You'hope and pray bush will do it"??
Is that sarcasm or for real? Your wish or that of Podhoretz?
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 04:23 PM
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12. That's a quote from the WSJ...
Edited on Wed May-30-07 04:28 PM by 133724
Not so George W. Bush, a man who knows evil when he sees it and who has demonstrated an unfailingly courageous willingness to endure vilification and contumely in setting his face against it. It now remains to be seen whether this president, battered more mercilessly and with less justification than any other in living memory, and weakened politically by the enemies of his policy in the Middle East in general and Iraq in particular, will find it possible to take the only action that can stop Iran from following through on its evil intentions both toward us and toward Israel. As an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart that he will.

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on edit to include the paragraph...
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:37 PM
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6. John Bolton wanted Iran to pull out of the NPT or kick out inspectors
so the US would have a reason to "respond"
that is what he told his adoring aipac friends.

Read it here:
http://www.stopaipac.org/boltontape.htm

You can even listen to the little man if you want... caught on tape!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:42 PM
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7. "But a bombing campaign...might even lead to the overthrow
of the mullahs". Or it might lead to angry and unpredictable retaliation, especially dangerous with our troops clustered in Baghdad. I guess that's the "They'll greet us as liberators" magical neocon thinking popping up again.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:48 PM
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8. Yes, look what happened to Bush when the US was subject to a few bombs
on sept 10th, 2001 his popularity was hovering around 50%
By Sept 12th it was around 80% or more (not me though).

those neocons got their heads up their big fat asses.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 03:39 PM
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11. LOL! I'm pretty sure they haven't considered that. Nothing makes
you love your country more blindly than when it is under attack. And considering that people in Iran aren't just Iranian, but Shia as well, I would expect their Shia brethren in Iraq and possibly elsewhere to make even more trouble for our troops.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:56 PM
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9. I can't believe white house will go through with it ...
... on the other hand, I didn't believe that the administration will invade Iraq either.

Fool me once, ...
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:56 PM
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10. Oh Yes! The rest of the Middle East Will Stand And Applaud....
Bombing Iran Would create a regional conflagration that would rage for decades, creating all war all the time for the US --and a positively Christmas everyday for war profiteers and arms traders.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 05:54 PM
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13. Hey there, Mr. Big Swingin' Dick.

At certain points in that earlier war, some of us feared that the Soviets might seize control of the oil fields of the Middle East, and that the West, faced with a choice between surrendering to their dominance or trying to stop them at the risk of a nuclear exchange, would choose surrender. In that case, we thought, the result would be what in those days went by the name of Finlandization.

Indeed you did. Fortunately for all of us, this idea was never anything more than a neoconservative spunk sock fantasy, the Soviet Union having neither the means nor the inclination to "seize control of the oil fields of the Middle East." The reality of that conflict bears no resemblance to what is being described here.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 06:30 PM
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14. Yeah...right...like WHO CARES what PODHORETZ , and the Rest of NeoCon/Pnac Thinks?
Who the HELL CARES about the fat pig Kagens and the REST who took America to war while they were snorting up Gourmet Food and sending their Kids to the Best Education only a NeoCon and PNAC signer can give!

Shut the Hell Up...you disgusting POS!
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 06:38 PM
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15. Mr. Founding Signatory for Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
Jeez louise, why am I not surprised :crazy:
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