Clinton to Obama "Shame on you"

[rjx]

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An angry Sen. Hillary Clinton rips Democratic opponent Sen. Barack Obama over campaign mailings.

Link to one of the mailers
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/02/1obma.pdf

[madaboutharry]

1. Well, that was kind of ugly.

She sounded like my 6th grade teacher, Mrs. Dixon.

[smoogatz]

58. I always think of our high school librarian

when I see video of Hillary. Both women always sound as though they're reading from 3x5 cards.

[Fridays Child]

2. What did the mailings say?

Is there a link to these mailings? I'd like to read them.

[rjx]

9. I'm trying to find them n/t

[rjx]

12. Found one! Link to PDF

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/02/1obma.pdf

[Fridays Child]

27. That's about NAFTA, and it's factual. She was complaining about criticism of her health care plan.

What did Obama say about her plan and why should criticism of it be off limits? Democrats always criticize each others' policies, during the primaries. To suggest that health care policy is, somehow, exempt is ridiculous. Hillary doesn't get to make up the rules, to suit herself. I keep trying to be okay with her because I will vote for her, if she wins the nomination. But crap like this makes it very difficult to find her redeeming qualities.

[thunder rising]

3. Speaking to the bobbing head behind her and perhaps as many 100's as obama has 1000's

[TwilightGardener]

4. Jesus H. She's unhinged. "Shame on YOU, Barack Obama!"

[babylonsister]

10. Is this the same woman who claimed how proud she was to share

the stage with him two nights ago? :shrug: How many personalities does Clinton have?

[TwilightGardener]

15. Yeah, now the devil horns are showing. And she'll be all sweetness and light

again by next week.

[Fridays Child]

33. Or, perhaps, we'll see another one of her touching, teary-eyed moments.

:eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

38. LOL! If I were her, I seriously wouldn't go there again, or she's going

to look like mood-swing lady, so soon on the heels of "I'm honored to be with Barack" and "I'm ashamed of Barack".

[hisownpetard]

42. Not just proud - but "honored." Three times, she used that word, in an effort to dilute

the bad taste in people's mouths from her "Xerox" ploy that back-fired mightily.

[Divernan]

56. And those brochures she's waving in the air were out BEFORE the Texas debate.

I was particularly offended by her claiming Obama was using tactics out of the Karl Rove playbook, after everything Clinton and her husband have done in this campaign. She really got into the righteous indignation - bet Bill's heard that tone on many occasions.

[ryanmuegge]

81. LOL. That's what I thought. I was like.."damn..what a change in tone this is"

I'm not taking sides on the substance of this issue, but it does seem like such a drastic shift in tone from, oh..........TWO DAYS AGO!

[hisownpetard]

86. You mean Hillary "Sybil" Clinton?

[nebula]

70. Shrillary Gone Wild!

Quick! Someone get a tranquilizer gun!

[lligrd]

5. Wow, Let's Have A Debate On Your Tactics

Get real Hillary.

[Rageneau]

6. Time for all the MSM, all the pundits, and all Obama supportersers to whine that she's being unfair.

One thing I've learned about Clinton-haters. They will not waste the blink of an eye examining whether or not she has a legitimate point to make. Instead, they will immediately begin to attack and insult her.

BO is supposed to come on TV momentarily to talk about this. I bet he doesn't -- I mean, I bet he does not address what Hillary is talking about (misrepresenting the plans of a fellow democrat) and will instead turn the attack against her, probably doing a little pouting and looking wounded if the past is prologue.

I don't think supporters of either candidate can be objective anymore. How in the hell can Obama claim he will reach across the aisle to make nice with Republicans when he (that is, his surrogates accusing Hillary of racism) has already split the Democratic Party worse than any time since Carter-Kennedy?

[jamesinca]

55. Like she misrepresented his reproductive rights stance in NH

They both do it, right or wrong. For one of them to act as if it does not happen and then pretend that they know what the Repugs will do and can stand it better is ridiculous. Either of them will be smeared by the repugs and they know it is coming. Ask the front runner and they will call it grasping at straws, ask the non-front runner and they will say it is dirty politics and unfair. It happened to Howard Dean, it has happened to many politicians.

The Dem party is not split, most in this country would vote for either one and are excited about the two choices. Republicans are not energized and don't like their choices. More people are voting for the second place finisher in the Dem race than what are voting for all of the Republicans combined. We are getting 2:1 or 3:1 in numbers turning out for the Dem candidates.

I guess my point is, I disagree wtih you on this issue.

[SoFlaJet]

7. Did you hear that tone? It's no wonder 2/3 of men can't stand her

she sounds like your ex-wife (the one you left for someone cooler) yelling at you for coming home a little late from the bar...I finally figured it out-it's all about her tone that turns us men off

[Fridays Child]

40. I have no problem with her tone but I'm not filtering it through male expectations, either.

I do, however have a problem with her content. It's pure BS.

[BeatleBoot]

8. About Friggin' Time, Hillary !!!

Time to make it real.

Glass Jaw Obama can't take the heat.

[sce56]

11. Why is this on the front page and not this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=96603&mesg_id=96603

More views & Recs than the Hillary one : Replies 0 Recs 1 Views 52 and The Gore one : Replies 2 Recs 5 Views 116! Well more views for Gore but they are on the front page!
Ahh DU is censoring a democratic candidate running against Nancy's seat!

[janetblond]

13. Lordy! She's losin' it! Nervous Breakdown?

Gawd, Hillary! Get ahold of yourself, gurl!
PLEASE don't crack-up on nationwide TV.
PLEASE!

[calmblueocean]

14. They quoted the "going after people's wages" remark. That's fair game.

You don't have to threaten to garnish people's wages to implement universal health care. He's not attacking her on UHC at all, in that respect, but in how she'd enforce her mandate. Garnishing wages is an extreme measure. She shouldn't have suggested doing it if she didn't want to take the heat for it.

[Skarbrowe]

18. The only way any type of universal health care will work is to make

sure everyone pays in something. If you don't make much money, they take very little out. I've come over to the Obama side, but Hillary's health care plan is the one plan that would truly have changed the mess we are in. If people can just opt out of paying into the "big kitty" that is there to help everyone, then there is no "big kitty" and we are right where we are now. Obama's health plan isn't going to change much of the status quo at all. There WILL still be millions of uninsured people because many of those millions will just chose not to buy it.

Having said that, I don't know anything about the flyer and I haven't seen the clip of Hillary yet. I was just talking about the real difference between their plans. I've accepted Obama as the nominee and if he becomes President, I just don't expect any big changes in our health care system.

[lapfog_1]

47. Then pay for it out of the general fund

raise taxes if you have to

AND CUT THE FUCKING INSURANCE COMPANIES OUT!

I think it's called single payer, and it works everywhere but here, apparently.

[Skarbrowe]

90. I agree that would be the way to go like Canada, France and Germany.

But I don't think Obama would get near something like this. Single payer sounds great to me, but that's big time socialism that scares every Repulican, Libertarians and some Democrats. Hillary is trying to keep from making the mistake she made with this in 1993. I don't know if Obama or Hillary could get something like this done or not.

[smoogatz]

53. I already have health insurance. It's not great

(whose is?), but it's pretty good. We have good local providers and, if one of us gets really sick, we have access to Mayo, about 90 minutes from here. The cost is relatively low, covered in part by my employer. I very much want to keep my current providers and my access to the Mayo Clinic. Can I do that under Hillary's plan?

[Skarbrowe]

89. YES! Her plan does not make you change the insurance you

already have. If people have good insurance through their work or however they might have it, they keep what they have. I think of Hillary's plan as a safety net using the insurance plan that Congress uses, that people would be mandated to buy into to make sure there is enough money to cover everyone. I can't get health insurance of any kind because I'm disabled. I had a two hour visit to the emergency room they couldn't be avoided and it cost me over 5 grand. I had to pay MORE to make up for people who don't have insurance and don't pay, and for people who have insurance and are getting a discount because more people have paid into that insurance. This is the same principle as that in a way. If everyone is mandated to pay some amount, like you have no choice to pay Social Security, or Medicare, something along those lines, then no one would ever have to be terrified to have to go to an emergency room because it might take the last few thousand dollars you saved. Everyone paying in would bring down costs. That is univerasal health care. When no one is left out because everybody is paying something in.

[smoogatz]

91. So, I could keep my existing insurance--assuming my employer doesn't drop

the plan--but I'd have to pay for your insurance, too? How is that a good deal for me?

[Skarbrowe]

92. It's the dilemma of trying to keep health insurance companies

and their ability to make all kinds of profit (people don't mind them making a profit, but they balk at that profit being used to help a fellow citizen) as apposed to a single payer government funded health plan like they have in Canada and Europe. Our country can't accept that big of a change so Hillary and I think Obama also are trying to come up with some kind of hybrid. I don't exactly know what they call the plan that Congress uses, but that's the one Hillary wants everyone to pay in to to cover everyone and keep costs down. The payment would go down too. But, you do have me on what happens with the people who already have insurance they like.... their employers plan on keeping it that way....because, when you think about it, why would they if they knew they could stop covering their employees and let them all go over to this plan Congress has. Hmmmm, maybe these are the baby steps to a single payer government plan. I don't know. That's a really good question. But, you bring up something else. How most Americans don't want to pay one dime to help someone else out. Well, maybe a dime, but 25 bucks out of a paycheck to put into the Congressional plan to cover everyone? Nah, not when you've got your own taken care of.

But, like you said, what if your employer decides to drop your health insurance because the costs are simply too high? That could be coming regardless of what Hillary or Obama do. It's been happening for a long time.

It is a mess and hard to figure out. Hillary went through this in 1993 and saw the mistakes she made. Maybe she can show Obama some of the problems she had back then and they can work something out.

By the way. I'm a veteran and get most of my care through the VA. THANK GOD. I served my country that's why I'm getting help now. They just don't cover sudden emergency room visits to non VA hospitals It was my mistake. I was just pointing out that I had to pay more for my the medical care they gave me than the same exact thing you might have had to pay through your insurance if it had been you. Your insurance would have made the care you received cost less than me because your insurance money is pooled. I paid higher than what it cost to make up for you as an insured person and double higher for the uninsured who they know won't pay at all.

I wouldn't complain about having to pay some extra if I knew it would help the common good. Typed too much, too late. Sorry for all typos and stuff.

[rjx]

16. OMG

It says "This video is unavailable."

Anyone else getting this?

When I click to edit it says it is "live" and I didn't get any emails that it was deleted from youtube.

I will re-upload if I have to.

[babylonsister]

17. I saw it all the way through from this thread, now it's gone. Hmmm. nt

[rjx]

19. Its back

Sometimes I hate Youtube.

Right when I was about to re-upload it, it comes back. grrr

[peoli]

20. Dont take out your anger for Bill, Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson out on poor ol Barack!

[gateley]

21. She mentioned JE again, as she did in the debate the other night. Think it

means anything?

[Fridays Child]

37. Name-dropping. She wants the public to think that she has his backing.

[Limelight]

22. I just read the mailer...

Where the hell does it even mention health care? The mailer is about NAFTA and how anyone would figure that's not fair game I have no clue.

[rjx]

23. There are 2 mailers in question n/t

[Hatalles]

24. Is this her campaign's way of deflecting criticism over her "plagiarism" hypocrisy?

[Sonnenschein]

25. An angry person never wins elections.

You attack people with a calm tone and smile like Obama does and like the swift boat ads do. That's the art of politics.

[TwilightGardener]

49. Exactly--she might think it's "passion", but she looks like an angry schoolmarm scolding a boy.

[Divernan]

60. Mother Superior -deja vu-you'll all sit here until the guilty party confesses!

Remeber that tone of voice and facial expressin from Catholic grade school? Some wise guy makes a fart sound while the nun's back is turned.
"Who did that?!?!?!?"
(silence from the class, along with a few muffled giggles)

(Louder voice) "I said, WHO DID THAT?"

(no volunteers)
WHOEVER DID THAT IS INSULTING THE HOLY MOTHER CHURCH ! ! ! !
(silence)

ALL RIGHT. YOU WILL ALL SIT IN YOUR DESKS UNTIL THE GUILTY PARTY CONFESSES ! ! ! !

(silence for another 15 minutes).

ALL RIGHT THEN, YOU WILL ALL BE PUNISHED, YADDA, YADDA, YADDA NO RECESS FOR A WEEK.

(whatever)

[gateley]

26. Okay - help me out here - both sides feel free to weigh in.

I'm not getting why this particular mailer is pissing off Hillary so much.

They've both been saying each is right and the other is wrong on NAFTA - and health care.

What it is about this particular piece that caused this response?

Why is the particular piece so different from others that have gone before? They all essentially say "I'm right - s/he's wrong". :shrug:

Thanks -- and please TRY to explain it to me objectively.

[Buzz Clik]

31. Because the cameras are rolling and she is in deep, deep trouble.

[gateley]

43. Okay - so are you saying she's responding this way because she feels

she needs to DO something at this point in her campaign? And I'm taking your response at face value - assuming that's your OBJECTIVE opinion.

Am I incorrect in assuming that both sides have put out similar mailers during this campaign -- that this one really isn't that much different?

This is where my confusion lies - I'm wondering why this particular one (or two) set her off. And if your opinion is that it's a tactic because of the current status of her campaign and results of the recent primaries, then that makes sense.

[Buzz Clik]

63. Yep. That's what I'm saying.

I have not seen the mailer(s) in question, and Indiana is months away from our primary. Only McCain has made an appearance here. So, we have not been treated to the barrage of crapola.

[Fridays Child]

32. By making up the rule that Dems can't criticize each other on universal health care...

...while waving a mailing on NAFTA, Hillary is

a) being purposely misleading and

b) trying to position herself as the victim.

The tactic worked for her, early on in the primary season, and maybe she's got nothing left to try, now. But this kind of maneuvering smacks of desperation and it's very unpleasant to watch.

[gateley]

46. So are you saying that this is essentially just a tactic? That there's nothing

exceptionally smarmy about these mailers (and there are two - to be fair to HRC, one was about health care) that we haven't seen during the campaign thus far?

That's what I'm trying to understand. If there's a DIFFERENCE to the tone, content of these mailers, or if she's bringing them up as a tactic.

Thanks.

[Fridays Child]

61. I've seen only the NAFTA mailer but it's factual and fair.

So, in my opinion, it's just posturing on Hillary's part. And she's fabricating from whole cloth this "rule" that democrats aren't supposed to criticize each other on universal health care. I suspect she's setting it up to paint herself as the victim but, in any case, it's an intentional distraction from the real issues.

Let's have a look at their health care plans, side by side. I'd be willing to listen to them debate that issue, alone. I have problems with both candidates' plans because, in each one, the health insurance industry gets a big pay day. But let the candidates explain themselves in a health care policy debate. I think a lot of people want to hear the facts on this issue.

[Pirate Smile]

39. I think they are trying to change the current storyline of the day:

"Clinton's White House campaign teeters"

[gateley]

48. Entirely possible. Thanks. nt

[GMFORD]

74. It isn't and not only isn't it different

but it isn't even new. It had been around in OH for weeks and was used in CA too so her campaign, and she herself I'm sure, were not unaware of the mailers. This is just the 'nuclear' option we have been hearing about. Many in her campaign feel she should go all out negative against Obama and this is what we get (so far).

[Voice for Peace]

28. Shame on you Senator Clinton for this hypocritical outrage.

I was starting to respect her again during the debate but this is
really low, after all the creepy stuff her own campaign has been doing.

[graywarrior]

29. Well, that sucked.

[Buzz Clik]

30. blah blah blah. "Obama must do as I say. He may not use my filthy tactics!!!"

Back to the fake outrage.

Prediction: Sometime in the next week, the weepy Hillary will re-emerge.

[Sonnenschein]

34. What filthy tactcs did Hillary use?

[Buzz Clik]

59. How far back would you like to go? Four days?

Try the plagiarism total bullshit.

Even after Obama explained multiple times that he was given permission to use the passages in his speeches, she continued to hammer him on it. And then ripped off two people in her closing less than an hour later.

Does that ring any bells?

Oh! Oh! I know -- you don't think that's a filthy tactic, right? Trying to package Obama as a plagiarist when he clearly is not?

==============

Once per day I treat myself to one GD-P thread where I go in and kick people in the nads for saying incredibly stupid things. This is my thread o'the day. Aren't you lucky?

[Sonnenschein]

79. What are you talking about? I never heard Hillary hammering

about it. Hillary did not base her campaign on being an "inspirational speaker". Plus she might have given her husband that lines herself. Plus she could have legitimatly copied all Bill's lines after all she never denied that she wants to be a president like Bill bringing back surplus, peace and prosperity to our county. She has never attacked Obama in her campaign even though Obama has been pounding her every day in every stump speech. I agree she has been too soft on Obama and it's her own fault. But how did she deserve the "filthy tactic" charge, when it is Obama who has been relentless pounding Hillary unfairly?

[Auntie Bush]

85. He didn't get permission to use his quotes until after he was exposed.

Then Patrick said he didn't mind...there is a difference. How many people thought those lines were Obama own creation? I bet just about everyone!

I personally don't think that was dirty politics to make this point public. I'd call it just plain politics...as usual. It's funny how everything Hillary says that isn't a compliment or an agreement with Obama it's called racist or she a negative attack dog and is criticized severely. When Obama criticizes Hillary unfairly...it's perfectly OK. Talk about a double standard!

[Fridays Child]

35. Ha! I made the same prediction, upthread!

:)

[Buzz Clik]

62. Nicely done! Clearly, I plagiarized your thoughts.

:eyes:

Hillary likes to give us a regular dose of her Mommy Moments. She moves close to the microphone... talks slowly ... lowers her voice... gets a slack crack in delivery... and looks oh so melancholy.

Right after she did her "I'm proud to share this stage with Barack" schtick, I was waiting for the, "... but you never call. Why don't you call? How hard would it be to pick up a phone?"

[Fridays Child]

67. Nah. More likely, it's a GMTA thing.

But you're right. Her moves just aren't cutting it. I sent her a copy of my book, "The Girls' Guide to Running the World" but either she didn't read it or she skipped the chapter on campaigning.

[Exultant Democracy]

36. Aid and comfort to our enemies? Who sounds like Rove now?

Who wrote that crap they should be fired.

[Bonobo]

41. Holy shit! She's lost her composure completely. Also where is the actual content of the complaint!?

She never explains what is wrong with the "attacks" (criticisms?) of her "Universal" health insurance.

Isn't it her side that claims he would be "leaving out" 15 million people (when we all know that is a complete out-of-the-ass statistic)?

[Divernan]

66. This is a Sen. Joe McCarthy (McCarthyism) infamous tactic.

He was the Senator who started the whole red baiting in Congress to get some publicity for his campaign, and ended up a broken man, died of alcoholism.

Anyhow, he got off a plane in Wheeling, West Virginia, and strode up to a bank of microphones and journalists, and waved a batch of papers in his hand, and say "I have in my hands a list of 205 State Department employees who are card carrying members of the Communist party." Thus started the witch hunt hearings which destroyed the careers and lives of many innocent people and created the black lists in Hollywood.

I researched the McCarthy era for a master's thesis. One of the things I learned was that those pages did not have anyone's names on them, and he pulled that 205 number out of his ass.

[Sonnenschein]

44. I don't understand why she ask for more debates

when she did not do anything at the last debate. She did not say anything to her own defence, when she was attacked by Obama for her health care efforts of the 90s. So why debate?

[smoogatz]

45. Perhaps she's had a stroke.

That might explain her sudden failure to understand the fundamental nature of electoral politics. Otherwise, what the fuck is she talking about? Democrats can't disagree? Since when?

[Skoods]

50. He deserves it..

That's the one reason I don't want a Barack Obama Presidency...no Universal Health Care...Shame on you, Barack Obama.

[TwilightGardener]

52. Bullshit--he'll have universally AVAILABLE health care that everyone can buy--

just not universally MANDATED health care, with garnished wages.

[GMFORD]

76. Neither is her plan universal health care.

It's almost, though not quite, universal health insurance. And his plan leaves nobody out...except those mythical people who just don't want affordable, available health insurance. His plan does not cater to the insurance companies who would prefer to be protected by mandates against individuals.

So, your insurance premiums would be taken out of your wages? Has she mentioned self-employed people like me? How about unemployed people?

Let's compare mandate vs. no mandate for employed people who do have it offered by their employers. There is no mandate right now that employees must sign up. Do you personally know of anyone who decided not to opt for their employer's health plan, excluding those who are covered by their spouse or elsewhere? In all my years of working, I never knew anyone who refused the plan offered yet Clinton tells us that 15 million people will refuse affordable, available health insurance if offered. Where does she get that number? Obama said in the debate he believes that number is wrong and she did not rebutt him.

Yet she continues to send out mailings and run ads that says he is 'leaving people out' and showing pictures of sad people who are supposedly among the 'left out'. But nobody is left out of Obama's plan who doesn't want to be left out. Is there enough shame around to spread some her way too?

[Voice for Peace]

51. Where was her outrage when it would have helped the country?

Like outrage at giving GW the power to attack Iraq
Like outrage that we have practically legalized torture
Like outrage at the ... oh well you guys know all the things that have gone on for the last 7 years.

Where was her outrage in the Senate?

This is just .. well.. it's outrageous. She has lost her way.

[Hatalles]

54. Angry Hillary isn't nearly as damaging as "plagiarism"-hypocrisy Hillary...

... in the lead up to the Texas primary. It's a strategy aimed at changing the discussion. Her last attack ended up backfiring on her. Now, to quell the backlash, her campaign has quickly come up with a way to change the subject.

[Buzz Clik]

65. No doubt. The best defense is a good offense.

No sense trying to explain the failed plagiarism ploy -- on to Plan B!

[Voice for Peace]

68. I'd love to see Obama's response to this, if anybody can post the video nt

[Sonnenschein]

71. What hypocricy? She never based her campain on being "an inspirational speaker".

[WillieDee]

57. overreaction

She sounds like a shrew... That's the one thing she should avoid if she ever hopes to win a general.

[jgraz]

64. Obama to Clinton: "Scoreboard"

[Buzz Clik]

69. Time to take the gloves off on this ridiculous screed:

Let's see:

1. "Reminiscent of Republican attacks on Democrats." Oh, my. You mean like suggesting that Obama has no substance to his speeches? Like saying repeatedly that he's a plagiarist with no original ideas over and over again even when the victim of this bogus claim of plagiarism debunked the claim?
   
   
2. "Since when do Democrats attack each other on universal health care?" Here's some news, Hillary -- you DO NOT have a plan for universal health care or anything similar to it. As long as health insurance exists universal health care, will be a fantasy.
   
   
3. "I thought this campaign gave us the opportunity to put together a coalition..." A coalition? PLEASE! You have attacked Obama repeatedly on his plan claiming that it leaves tens of millions of people out. You get to attack him, but he has no right to reply? Let's listen to what you said next: "Just because Mr. Obama chose not to present a universal health care plan, he does not have the right to attack me because I did." tsk tsk. There goes that hypocrisy again. You can bash him limitlessly, but he cannot respond. You are consistent in that, but consistency in this case is not admirable.
   
   
4. "Let's have a real campaign. Enough with the speeches and the big rallies..." Jealous much? He stuffs the Houston Rockets mega-arena on the same night your semi-pro hockey rink was sparsely populated. Goodness, we certainly are transparent.
   
   
5. "... right out of Karl Rove's playbook." Kinda like attacking Obama for having no substance, and then attacking him again when he presents the differences between you two? Damn!
   
   
6. "This is the kind of attack that not only undermines core Democratic values but gives aid and comfort to the very special interests and their allies in the Republican Party who are against doing what we want to do for America." And there it is, kiddies, The Rovian Strategy: "You are with us or you are against us." Nicely played, Hillary! And let's talk about core Democratic values, like voting to go to war. Can you sleep at night? Or how about your pro-firearm rhetoric during your swing to the right to pander to centrist Republicans? "My father taught me how to shoot a gun 100 years ago." You want to talk about special interests and core Democratic values -- why in the hell did you declare that lobbyists for huge corporations somehow represent the average Americans? You, my dear, are shameless.

Goodnight, Senator Clinton, and good luck. You will need it.

[Gloria]

72. Good for her! The media isn't examining him...it's about time someone

called this phony out...It's this precise health flier that I got here in NM that completely turned me off to Obama. I will never vote for this guy...

[stratomagi]

73. To me it sounded like...

She was criticizing him for having big rallies.

And isn't accusing someone of using tactics out of Karl Rove's play book something that you would find IN Karl Rove's play book?!?!

All I smell is DESPERATION!!!

[Gloria]

75. It's spelled "despEration"..,..and I'd rather have her go down fighting

than having to swallow bullshit from this guy....and I'm not a Hillary supporter...just sick of his crap...and Obama groupies (who can't spell)

[stratomagi]

77. I realized that after looking at it again, luckily i know how to use the edit feature.

[stratomagi]

78. I also noticed

she used the phrase "GIVING AID AND COMFORT to the special interests." Wonder where she got that from?

I find it interesting how she also uses the word "Republican" to insult Obama. Hillary 08' Politics as usual 100% guaranteed!

If Hillary knows anything about Republican attacks its mostly because she THINKS like one.

[Kurovski]

80. Displaying the old-school political shitbaggery

that's turned so many people away from her campaign.

"Every Democrat should be outraged." She's now reduced to resorting to a basic tribal identity for survival. :D

She spends more time informing us what we should feel about Obama than anything else.

By the way, both their so-called healthcare plans are lousy, IMO.

[AZBlue]

82. The lady doth protest too much.

[ryanmuegge]

83. I wonder if this bickering will alienate the "average swing voter" in the general.

It doesn't bother me. I like vigorous, passionate debate (though I wish there were more substantive differences between Obama and Clinton); it's what democracy should be.

However, I wonder if this kind of bickering between our two remaining candidates will give the Republicans ammunition, and, as a consequence, the public will grow tired of this. I'm not talking about this old, "will the Democratic voters reunite after a heated, close primary?" line. I'm saying the swing voters who aren't political junkies and consider themselves "independent."

[ElsewheresDaughter]

84. YOU GO GIRL!!!....That's my gal Hillary kicking ass and taking names...see you in OHIO OBAMA hahaha

[ryanmuegge]

87. What's funny about this whole thing is that Obama probably isn't that much different on trade than

Hillary. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm sure he has the same broad views on globalization that she does.

I haven't seen the health care mailer that she's so angry about, but I think the one on NAFTA is a fairly legitimate criticism (again, though, I doubt he differs that much).

I think it's probably too far to call this reminiscent of Karl Rove. When the Obama campaign starts shooting out mailers that accuse Hillary of having a gay lover or an illegitimate black child, then it'll be Roveian. I don't see either one of these two dropping to that level, thankfully. Rove represents pure gutter politics. In fact, Rove's attacks don't even discuss policy issues, so it is hyperbole to say this stuff is similar to Rove.

[better tomorrow]

88. What I have to say on the subject.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYj00Ft37VA

[rjx]

93. I can't wait for the next debate. hehe n/t