Hillary Clinton Wants Super Delegates To Decide Winner

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 03:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWELs8Q5TDY   Posted on YouTube: February 16, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 17, 2008 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 1228

 
Before someone replies saying that Cenk is just a "Hillary Hater" or something along those lines, I ask that they watch at least one of these two short YouTube clips which clearly show otherwise. He has *substantive* reasons as to why he prefers Obama, but he has strongly defended Hillary against many of the non-substantive attacks in addition to giving her praise at times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmM2j8P55SA&feature=user (The Media Hates Hillary)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AffVsYrSKSs (Hillary Has Run an Impressive Campaign)

PS---You can always watch the Show Live 3-5 pm ET, with a Rolling Post Game 5-7 pm daily Monday-Friday at www.theyoungturks.com The RPG often contains political talk but also many non-political topics to lighten things up (and yes, that audio may not necessarily be work-safe).

Also, if you can't watch live, the 3-5pm portion of the show (politics) streams the rest of the day, all day right after the Post Game Show ends leading up to the initial show at 3pm.

[muyojoe]

1. THAT DOESN'T STOP THE STRANGE FEELING

That he is channeling Chris Matthews when he talks about her. I have bones to pick with Hillary too, but Obama doesn't float my boat. It would be a "dick move", but I don't think anybody is ready to break the party like they did before. I don't think anyone is going to let them. I don't think either of these candidates deserves enough concern for the super delegates to override the party vote, and I think they are fully aware of how thin a line they are treading.


"crying for the loss of JE"

[CherylK]

4. Really? I do not see that AT ALL!

Chris Matthews? That's just insulting! And I think completely wrong. Oh well, you are entitled to your opinion.

[ihavenobias]

6. Ridiculous

I think a lot of people have (somewhat understandably) become overly sensitive to any criticism of Hillary, because so much of it has been based on BS. Unfortunately that means some of them have come to the point where than can't distinguish between stupid, personal attacks and actual, legitimate criticism (this is the latter).

You didn't watch *this*, did you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmM2j8P55SA&feature=user

[muyojoe]

8. YOU'RE RIGHT

But I corrected my post at the same time that you posted, because I ended up watching it. I like Cenk, but he's been disgusting me in this one area. I gave him the benefit of a doubt and came back.

I also had never posted without viewing or reading, and wanted to make sure I didn't become one of those guys. Sorry.

[ihavenobias]

10. I appreciate it

and I hope you also watched the second clip where he's incredibly fair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AffVsYrSKSs

[muyojoe]

11. YES,

and now if Cenk will just support the dual ticket between these two (no matter who is in the lead) we can save this party.

[cyclezealot]

2. The whole delegate thing is a farce.

no democratic. Is there a way to add up all the primary, caucus vote for Hillary, Obama. make it like a national popular vote count. If the popular vote should be a stand off. Why not let the superdelegates vote which ever way they choose.

[JDPriestly]

3. I'm with you. If it weren't for racial prejudice, agism and the crazy

idea that any woman could do better than any man, John Edwards would be our candidate. I walked my precinct and can tell you that people were voting based on age, racial and gender stereotypes and prejudices. It is disgusting to see what is happening with Democratic voters.

[George_Bonanza]

15. Poor straight white man

[Hepburn]

5. ....

[muyojoe]

7. IF I READ YOUR CARTOON RIGHT

I'm sure they will let her fall, if the popular vote goes to Obama.

[cyclezealot]

9. There is no popular vote

adding up all the Democratic primaries/caucus. But, there should be.

[muyojoe]

12. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING

But you know what I'm saying.

[mkultra]

13. disenfranchisment

She just want the FL and MI people to be disenfranchised. The rest of the electorate can bite her creamy white ass though.

[CherylK]

20. Was that last part really necessary? n/t

[From The Left]

14. The S.D.'s Won't Oppose the Popular Vote

They're not that stupid.

[provis99]

17. I would say it depends on how close the pleged delegate vote count is

Because the remaining states have proportional representation, the pleged delegate vote count between Clinton and Obama will be close in the end anyways. But if Obama has only slightly more than Clinton, the Superdelegates will make the difference, and so far Clinton has more superdelegates than Obama does.

Remember, the whole point of the Superdelegate process is to overturn votes by the grassroots that the party establishment doesn't agree with, to avoid a McGovern-type of candidate. So the superdelegate process may seem anti-democratic, because it was designed that way: to keep the Democratic grassroots from selecting a nominee the party bigwigs were against.

[sasquatch]

16. Isn't this kind of like what GWB did in 2000?

Just an observation.

[cascadiance]

18. I wonder if her campaign would support the super delegates brokering a convention for Gore!

... or if she will complain THEN that the super delegates are taking the vote away from the Democratic constituencies to do their own thing.

This has been talked about in other threads as a possibility. The super delegates all do not vote in the first vote. Neither candidates gets the necessary votes to get a majority in the first vote, and therefore all of the delegates are freed for the second vote and a solid majority votes for Al Gore then.

I wonder what Hillary's people would say then? So much for rationalizing the support of using super delegate power legitimately then, huh?

[D23MIURG23]

19. I don't think that pretending you have the SD vote in your pocket

is nessessarily the way to court them either.