Not angry about this anymore, just not going to forget. There was something behind this.

[madfloridian]

Run time: 03:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFdEUDsSfbo   Posted on YouTube: April 17, 2015 By YouTube Member: YouTube Help Views on YouTube: 18014926   Posted on DU: December 11, 2006 By DU Member: madfloridian Views on DU: 2639

 
I think since he is going to be part of Hillary's campaign, then an interview like this takes on more significance.

I was finally able to watch it, and there was just no reason for it.

It hurt all of us after we won a great election and needed some happy time.

To make it worse he had his facts wrong, and many bloggers called him on it.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/642

"Finney says the DNC knew 2006 would be "very important" and spent $30 million on campaigns, up from the $9.8 million they spent in 2002. (Up to 30 million from 9.8? Wait...there's more)"

And if his group is doing the things shown in this video, then he should not be working on a presidential campaign here, IMHO.

Messing around in Bolivia.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/770

So it's not anger anymore, it is caution and concern.

OMG, I just realized he said to get out of the cult of the "state party" chairman. I guess that means they want the power back in DC.

[speedoo]

1. I'm thinking Carville can't be trusted.

Maybe he'd like to replace Dean with Gingrich, since he likes The Newt so much.

[Montauk6]

4. Well, how can one ignore that he is, after all, LITERALLY sleeping with the enemy?

[Contrite]

2. Dean threatens their club

Carville and Matalin are just part of that beltway insider club that doesn't like Dean's grassroots support. Dean is the toast of Canada and Europe--did anyone invite Carville for advice? The rest of the world knows who the real hero of the midterm elections is and Dean will bring that international influence into the party. The DLCers probably thought Dean could be marginalized in the DNC chair but he's upset their little donkey carts.

[cornermouse]

3. Look at the way Dean has handled the chairmanship

and think of how well he would have done as President. (sigh) Back to reality with the nitwit in the White House.

[ClintonTyree]

5. Carville needs to chill out...

I think he resents not being "top dog" in the Democratic Party anymore and his pettiness, anger and divisive opinions are not suited to the new Democratic majority. If he is indeed squarely behind Hillary for President in '08 I may have to reconsider my already tepid support of her. Carville is a slash and burn strategist and that is exactly what our party and our nation DO NOT need right now. If he insists on dividing our party then it's time to put out the lights of the 'ragin' cajun'. The Carville-Matalin team has controlled the political landscape in our country for the past 14 years and I think it's time they were put out to pasture. They've become stale and are a liability to both parties (not that I give a crap about the Repigs though).

Sit down and shut up, James. You've outlived your welcome and usefulness.

[KoKo]

10. Word from Dems

"in the know" where I am says Carville is working to get Dean out and those who supported Dean in the Dem Party structure (i.e. the State Party Chairmen) are having a rough time with the old Power Structure.

What's upsetting is this is after Dean won back House and Senate when the Powers that Be lost election after election for over a decade. The DLC feels that winning in '08 will take the Big Power Brokers coming back in to run the Party to get the kind of money and structure that's needed.

So, the Progressive Grassroots activists go to the "back of the bus" or under the bus...depending on how one looks at it. There's grassroots discouragement which there shouldn't be since Dean's Chairmanship put life back into the Party structure.

I'm sure we are going to hear more attacks against Dean and those who support him as the "Powers that Be" try to "shut down" the dissent on the Left...and that will include those of us on the Internet. We already see the power struggle here on DU and on KOS.

There's just too much K-Street money out there and some Dems can see the $$$$$$$$$'s glimmering in the sun. Out of power for so long there's bound to be alot of pent up greed by some very influencial behind the scenes Dems and some who aren't behind the scenes who want to run to the right.

[madfloridian]

23. That has been happening in Florida a lot.

Those who supported Dean or support his ideas for change in the party are rather out in the cold right now. It will change with time, but for now it is that way.

[A Simple Game]

6. Two of Carville's candidates lost.

It's Dean's fault!!!!!

[seabeyond]

7. we really arent addressing what arville is saying. i didnt know this was

his issue. i donate to dnc every month off credit card. if this is true, then does he have a point? and that is not ignoring what he says and sticking to he is a hillary fan and reason for saying this. i dont know that is the reason he speaks out. maybe he feels all the money should have been spent and we should have picked up more seats

repeat. i dont wnat hillary to run. not a carville fan. i donate monthly to dnc. i LOVE dean

[madfloridian]

15. Yes, it was addressed thoroughly. Here is one blog, more if you want them.

Carville is spinning. I posted above about it, but here is a direct link.

Be sure to read it all, as this is about the crux of it all.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/17/141326/46

"14 Democratic candidates lost by 2 points or less, but many of the campaigns were funded to the hilt by the DCCC. Lois Murphy certainly can't blame her loss in PA 06 on inadequate funding; the DCCC spent over $3 million on her behalf. Patricia Madrid (NM 01) also had plenty of money - her razor-thin loss came because of an embarrassing gaffe at a debate. Mary Jo Kilroy (OH 15), Darcy Burner (WA 08), Phil Kellam (VA 02), Christine Jennings and Tammy Duckworth (IL 06) were all among the top-funded candidates by the DCCC. (In Jennings' case, the money was funneled through the Florida Democratic party.)"

(Jennings and Duckworth, if you remember, were handpicked by Rahm and others who had already had success previously had to drop out because of lack of funding.)

"Bottom line?
There's realistically only four - certainly no more than six seats - that perhaps could have been won with extra cash."

"Carville wants to take the money Dean spent on people building up our ground operation, and spend it on television attack ads.
That's it. It's that simple.
Attacks ads versus people."

[seabeyond]

17. ahhhh. i see. thank you

[cosmik debris]

8. How do you answer the charge

That the DNC left money on the table when there were close races we might have won with that money?

[Tellurian]

9. Carville made his point and he is RIGHT..

The DNC should have close to -$0- dollars left after the campaign.

To have $16M to spend and not spend what is needed to get candidates elected
the man has a good point. I don't have to agree with Carville ALL the time,
but in this case, he's right.

I'm sure Howard Dean can learn something from Carville.

I think, he just did!

[madfloridian]

16. Where did you get the 16 million figure? Bloggers debunked this.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/11/the_carville_cl.html

Carville was wrong about his figures.

[Tellurian]

26. You are WRONG, Madflorian..

I didn't see any debunking of the $6M dollar figure by bloggers.
And the amount was not questioned in the video by anyone.

In the future, try to provide quantifiable info we can double-check.

edited to correct DNC figure $6M left in DNC account after election.
After, DNC had $10M to spend. They spent $4M on Demo campaigns.

The point Carville is making is valid. I like Dean and do not want him replaced.

[madfloridian]

29. What 16 million dollar figure?

Where did you get it?

I am scanning the filings from the parties I found in our paper today. I can't find it online...so I will got to the trouble of scanning.

You need to say where you got the 16 million figure?

[madfloridian]

30. Here is the scanned info you requested.

I saw it online earlier, but can't find it now. The 16 million figure is what I am questioning. The DNC took out a line of credit, and kept enough for operating expenses looks like to me. Remember they have salaries to pay to the state directors, and other expenses that the DSCC and DCCC just don't have.



This is from the print version of the Lakeland Ledger today.

[madfloridian]

31. Thanks for editing...however...

The scanned info makes it clear how much was left. See the scan below.

Other DNC chairs have let the states go, and now is the time to rebuild the whole party. The DSCC and DCCC do not have to do that...they are only responsible for their own candidates.

DNC
What We Do
The Democratic National Committee plans the Party's quadrennial presidential nominating convention; promotes the election of Party candidates with both technical and financial support; and works with national, state, and local party organizations, elected officials, candidates, and constituencies to respond to the needs and views of the Democratic electorate and the nation.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
The purpose of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is to elect more Democrats to the United States Senate. From grass-roots organizing to candidate recruitment to providing campaign funds for tight races, the DSCC is working hard all year, every year to increase the number of Democratic Senators. http://www.dscc.org/

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee serves as the official national Democratic campaign committee charged with recruiting, assisting, funding, and electing Democrats to the U. S. House of Representatives. We provide services ranging from designing and helping execute field operations, to polling, creating radio and television commercials, fundraising, communications, and management consulting. http://www.dccc.org/

[madfloridian]

18. Hotline and other blogs answered it.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/11/the_carville_cl.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/15/145333/83

There are several at MyDD, but I linked to them above.. no one seems to have bothered to read it.

[cosmik debris]

19. I didn't see a figure for how much was left over on election day

But I did notice that the Hotline article was full of excuses like: The DCCC funded them so the DNC didn't need to,
or The DCCC didn't fund them so the DNC followed their lead,
or New York media market is too expensive,
or It is only 4 seats or maybe 6 seats.

So how much did the DNC have in the bank on election day? And why does the DNC default to the DCCC on who to fund? It looks from a distance that the DNC is using the DCCC as a scapegoat for all the loses but still wants Dean to get credit fro all the wins.

[madfloridian]

20. No, Dean did not take credit. You are wrong.

The DNC had to defend themselves from unfair attacks.

How many seats did Carville say in the video? Is he right? Dean had to fund state races and governor's races, support them as well. We took 6 governor's races and 9 or 10 statehouses, and maybe one more.

Dean publicly and freely gave credit to the DSCC and DCCC, and he took little credit.

Here is an example from Fox, which totally negates what you said.

WALLACE: First of all, what do you make of this criticism, and do you have any intention of stepping down?

DEAN: I have to say I get a laugh out of that one. Here we have — let's leave the federal races aside, because the DCCC and the DSCC did do a wonderful job. But the truth is we got six additional governors. We got nine additional legislative chambers. New Hampshire now has a Democratic house and senate for the first time in a century.

We did great. And I think the time really has come now, now that we're in power, at least in the Congress, to pull together, to be unified. We've got a lot to do in the next two years. We've got to elect a Democratic president, and so...

WALLACE: Do you have any intention of stepping down?

DEAN: No. I talked to Harold last night, and he has no — he doesn't want the job. This is some kind of inside the Beltway silliness.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/621

As to how much they had in the bank to continue total party operations, which the DNC has to do but the DSCC and the DCCC can take a break from temporarily....do an Open Secrets or an FCC. It had to do with funding TV attack ads near the end as opposed to keeping the party funded.

It had to do with 4 races over all. Two of those had good candidates already running, already funded by the grassroots, and on the ground games.

So I think there is no excuse for this kind of attack.

The DNC is responsible for overall operations in the states and nationally. The other two groups are not.

[cosmik debris]

22. I paraphrased the article you referenced

If you disbelieve your own reference, I'm sorry. But I think those are some pretty lame excuses. Have you got anything better.

[LoZoccolo]

11. I think the "wing" of the Democratic Party which will be most successful...

...will be the one who can constructively take and evaluate criticism, as well as criticize themselves, and not blame a criticism surrounding an administrative question on a conspiracy.

[Tellurian]

14. The quick to criticize, sound more like republithinkers...

and I'm sure as time goes on, we will be infiltrated with deluges of 1000 post posters
to divide and conquer Demo strategists. After all, the FREE REpublic forum is deader than dead!

[madfloridian]

21. I am a 1000 + poster, and I am not from Free Republic.

I am a life long Democrat who started worrying about her party when they voted to take us to war against a country that was no threat to us.

I am not a Republic thinker, as you call it.

[Tellurian]

24. Even you, Madflorian, in your infinite wisdom..

didn't know at the time of the vote, if the threat was real or not.
So, spout your counterproductive think to someone who will listen.

Unless your speaking from a guilty conscience, that is..

FYI, my comment was not directed at you- there are others..in case you've failed to notice...

[madfloridian]

25. Thanks for acknowledging my "infinite wisdom."

So many here fail to do that. They fail to realize my superior knowledge.

[Tellurian]

27. You fail to realize..

You need to pushaway from the screen, when you do nothing but propagate BS..

Take a NAP, Madflorian and regroup.

[madfloridian]

28. Should I have put a sarcasm tag?

I did not think I needed to do that.

[On the Road]

12. I Don't Think I've Ever SEEN a TV Guest Avert His Eyes from the Camera Like That

[Tellurian]

13. Firsts are always a memorable event...aye? nm

[madfloridian]

32. More I posted on him from another forum.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/775

I feel strongly that he does not have the best interests of the voters in mind.

[OneBlueSky]

33. Carville is a political hack available to the highest bidder . . .

you can rest assured that most of what he says is at the behest of someone or other who's paying him handsomely to "get the message out" . . .

could it be . . . SATAN???? . . .:evilgrin:

[madfloridian]

34. Would love to hear more about this dinner last night. Probably never will.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/793
Hillary to have dinner with Carville, Begala, and others tonight...Hotline.