Copwatch: Oakland Police Officer Responds to Video About Police Infiltration @ Occupy Oakland

[Fire Walk With Me]

Run time: 06:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUVA9WhIgY   Posted on YouTube: November 10, 2011 By YouTube Member: Jacobzladder Views on YouTube: 139   Posted on DU: November 10, 2011 By DU Member: Fire Walk With Me Views on DU: 4446

 
Remember:

-These are the people who shot Scott Olsen in the head at close range
-These are the people who lied publicly about using flash-bangs and rubber bullets and said protesters were throwing M-80s at cops
-These are the people who co-ordinated with two news agencies to cut live camera feeds from the net moments before cops attacked
-These are the people who put another Vet in the hospital for WALKING HOME
-These are the people who lied to protesters about their identity and intent
-These are the people who taped over their uniform's nametags against code 830.10
-These are the people who shot Scott Campbell for no apparent reason
-These are the people who three times have violently assaulted peaceful protesters
-These are the people who threw a flash-bang into a crowd gathered to rescue a fallen Scott Olsen
-These are the people who let Scott lay there and didn't move a muscle or make a radio call for an ambulance
-These are the people who have not been so sickened by this wanton violence as to turn in their fellow sick officers
-These are the people who refuse to take responsibility for ANY OF THIS

[Fantastic Anarchist]

1. Fuck you, asshole.

Why don't you infiltrate and point out the "agitators" in your corrupt-ass police department, prick?

(Not directed at you, Fire Walk With Me)

[tavalon]

3. Watch the video again, closely

Except for what he didn't say (was he on the clock?), he was insightful. And the thing is, we want the cops to join. Not infiltrate, join. You know we do. We've set up outreach groups to them and to the military. They are part of the 99%. Unquestionably, any cop needs to identify him or herself as such, from the get go.

I was talking to a nurse at work the other day about the movement and I joked, "on my days off, I'm a radical anarchist, but the other days, I'm a suburban housewife, nurse, just a working stiff." If he was not on the clock and honest about it, I think the same can go for him.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

9. I found him to be making excuses.

He didn't present himself as a police officer and he did admit he was there to find agitators.

If he wants to be part of the movement, then that is fine; but he was clearly there serving the enemy. I don't mind cops, fire fighters, military or anyone being in the movement. But when you are acting as an agent of the state and against the movement, you are the enemy ("you" being him).

[tavalon]

11. I rewatched

You are correct. He outed himself as being there on the clock. I wonder, was he on the clock when he recorded this?

Off the clock = supporter. On the clock = infiltrator.

That guy has just opened himself up to a world of hurt.

[tavalon]

4. And a big Thank You to all the anarchists out there, you included

The anarchists brought this magnificent movement to light. I always thought anarchists were children who threw paint and broke windows. I have become so educated in the last few months. Anarchist theory is so interesting. And possibly, our way out of the dark!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

8. Thank you.

Anarchism is not chaos and disorder (as is the misconception). I've spent about the last 5-6 years reading the various anarchist theories, movements, and about the different anarchist philosophers.

If people would just educate themselves about what anarchism is, and get past the reactionary imposed "image" of what their oppressors want them to believe, people would understand that anarchism is:

anti-racist
working class solidarity
community
democracy
non-hierarchy
anti-imperialist/colonialist/oppressive
anti-capitalism
labor rights
consensus
peace (though some have been violent; there is no unified position on this)

Those are just some tenets that I can think of right now (up all night due to insomnia).

A wonderful resource for anyone who wants to learn more and get started is:

Anarchism: From Theory to Practice by Daniel Guerin

It's extremely informative.

[tavalon]

10. That is just one resource I've read in the last couple of months

I've been an anarchy reading fool. It is highly enlightening and I definitely share a lot of the beliefs. It's funny, I came to DU, became educated and ditched the Democrats. I became a socialist and now I'm adding anarchist to the mix. Here's to open minds.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

12. Remember: All anarchists are socialists ...

"All anarchists are socialists, but not necessarily all socialists are anarchists!" ~ Benjamin Tucker

"Hoorah for anarchy! Today is the happiest day of my life!" ~ Anarchist and Haymarket Square martyr, Adolf Fischer, right before he was hanged. (Haymarket being a pro-labor protest in which agents provocateurs threw a bomb killing a policeman. Afterwards, despite many knowing the anarchists' innocence, they were still hanged for their political positions).

Edit: Oh, and welcome aboard, comrade Tavalon!

:toast:

(What's the female equivalent for the word "comrade?")

[tavalon]

13. I think you may have written that very thing to me a few weeks ago

This socialist is rapidly becoming an anarchist.

In this day and age, I think we can go gender neutral. Thank you, comrade Fantastic.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

14. Yes, I remember.

Please forgive me for repeating myself. Up all night with insomnia.

It's good to say, though, since many think the two are mutually exclusive.

[tavalon]

16. I'm learning, more and more

But I've been a socialist a lot longer than an anarchist. I feel a lot steadier defending my socialism and not yet so steady with the anarchism. But, yeah, I can see how they dovetail nicely.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

18. Oh yeah, I've been a socialist going on about 10 years ...

... and about 5-6 years ago, I decided to go with the anarchist tradition. So, in essence, I'm a socialist in the anarchist tradition.

:hi:

[amyrose2712]

21. Thank you. I try to explain this where ever I see the fallacy being

repeated. Unfortunately, I am not as well educated on the philosophy as I would like to be. I am working on that!

[amyrose2712]

22. Nice. Just found that book online.

http://libcom.org/library/anarchism-daniel-guerin

[tavalon]

2. The one question that was neither asked nor really answered by him:

Was he on the clock when he was there? He skirted around that. Other than that, he made some really good points and importantly, he wasn't lying (other than by omission?). Watch him closely. He doesn't blink like a liar. Liars blink, blink, blink, blink and blink. But he does look uncomfortable. OTOH, who wouldn't look uncomfortable in front of cameras if they aren't used to being in front of cameras?

This is interesting. Thank you for posting this.

He is so right that this isn't a black and white issue. Cops can, and I hope, will join the movement. They should not infiltrate so to avoid that impression, they do need to identify what they do for a living and whether they are on the clock while at the encampments. Because it is quite the potential conflict of interest.

[Xicano]

6. That question came to my mind as well, but actually he did give an answer to that

when he said he was there to "point out agitators". Also, I think that statement outs himself as a liar because right before he had just said that, he said he wasn't there to infiltrate. Well if you're there to gather information on who the agitators are, then, you are there to infiltrate. So no surprise to me, just another lying cop.

[tavalon]

7. Shit, I missed that on the first watch

He was on the clock! Oh man, he just opened himself to a world of hurt.

Next question. Was he on the clock when he filmed this?

[Xicano]

15. Good question.

I would bet he's on the payroll making this video.

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. As a payroll'd infiltrator, he's already comfortable LYING to people's faces.

ACTING.

[tavalon]

5. He is not "these" ,

He is a specific person. He has opened himself to intense scrutiny by doing this. We will soon know what parts specifically, he played. It would have died out had he not chosen this route.

[zeemike]

17. If he spots an agitator who does he report to?

you cannot serve two masters.
And I would bet you that his career will blossom because of this.

[ifnotformazie]

19. Takes a long time to say a bunch of hogwash

Please-who are you trying to fool? You do seem to be somewhat ashamed of your actions, body language and words....
Your time would have been much better spent if you just fessed up and didn't try to persuade others that somehow your actions are justified.