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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:22 AM
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Ron Paul: Wikileaks diplo cables shows US greenlighted Iraqi-Kuwait war.
 
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That was rumored, but now wikileaks have the evidence.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:01 AM
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1. Funny that Paul considers himself a republican, the party that did this. Maybe it is because he was
Against the Civil Rights act, and as an upstanding racist aligns himself with the party that more closely mathes that view
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:13 PM
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18. He may be racist, but he is not a war mongerer. which is worse?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:20 PM
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24. I keep hearing the claim of racsism against Paul, but I've never seen evidence to support it.
Can anyone cite some?
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:06 PM
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29. Google is your friend
Ron Paul & Racist, there is tons of stuff to back it up. I suggest also looking at the various photos of him chumming about with other racists.

Ron Paul is a racist douchebag and that is only one of his many fucked up issues. Why there is continued support for him here is beyond me.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:27 PM
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40. You support the made claim, so back it up.
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 09:27 PM by Sirveri
Burden of proof is on the claimant, not the disputer.

Feel free to use lmgtfy.com if it makes you feel better.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:00 PM
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41. Fuck that shit. I'm tired of showing the Paulites the truth
They are aware and do not care, instead they claim to not know or lie outright about it. I've posted the shit many times over and they always deny it in one way or another. Let them go find out for themselves if they really want to know, it is not hard to find.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:04 AM
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51. Angry much? Want people to learn something, then you need to show them.
I won't vote for him because he's anti-choice, and for his economic policies. That said, I tend to agree with Libertarians on anti-war isolationism and social policies (legal drugs, prostitution, suicide, etc...) Sometimes they are on the right side of things, and if I have to work with racists and bigots to accomplish the right thing, then so be it, I'll drop the knife and pair up for the fight. Doesn't mean I don't forget.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 09:38 AM
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52. As I said, Paulites do not want to learn
You want to work with racists and bigots, you go ahead, good luck with that strategy. I'm certain that when it is your life they want to fuck with, they will change their ways. I prefer preventing them from getting into or staying in office.

oh... I am not angry, I am just a fucking foul mouthed liberal.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:44 AM
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54. He indicated that all you have to do is google. Here is one link from that google
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 04:03 PM
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61. Merry Christmas!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:40 AM
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53. Yes, the son-of-a bitch voted against the civil rights act. He also believe that a business can
choose who they can and cannot serve

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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:30 PM
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57. Ummm, he wasn't even in Congress at the time.
I'm not trying to defend the man, but at least make your beefs with him based on facts.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 10:22 AM
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60. He said he would have voted against it. Agreed, not the same as being in Congress, and that is my
error, but one thing about Paul, no matter what his faults, he has always been honest about his positions

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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 10:51 PM
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64. Whether Ron Paul is or isn't a racist ...
... the Paulites I've talked to clearly are racists and they get very animated whenever one gets close to the issue.
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:23 PM
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21. "upstanding racist"
There's an oxymoron.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:10 PM
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34. War is racist. All of our wars are racist. Paul opposes them.
At least he's got our Foreign Policy right. He opposed them as a Republican too, the only one with the guts to do so during the Bush years. His domestic policies are another story, but on Foreign policy he is absolutely correct.
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popsicle ricky Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:44 PM
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37. What has racism to do with the 'green light' ti Saddam?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 01:38 AM
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59. The video isn't about Paul. Got a comment about the CONTENT?? nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:22 AM
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2. I recall it being slightly better than rumored. We were talking about how
April Glaspie told Saddam Husein that we had no opinion one way or the other about his differences with Kuwait. Her actual quote from her report was being discussed.
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MisterGamut Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 05:47 PM
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63. I concur
I remember all of these details from a few years ago. Nobody cared then when it should have mattered. They certainly won't care now.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:25 AM
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3. Nothing new, I have read the quote in several books /nt
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:42 AM
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5. Nothing new for me either but it doesn't hurt to spread the word.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:44 AM
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13. Detailed in the book The Demonic Comedy, by Paul William Roberts
pages 122-123
http://www.amazon.com/reader/0374527466?_encoding=UTF8&...

BTW, Roberts' previous book was a great travel adventure and very funny!

"In Search of the Birth of Jesus"
http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Magi-Travels-Search-Birth...


http://www.amazon.com/wiki/Paul_William_Roberts/ref=sr_...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:32 PM
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44. What is new is Wikileaks' verification that this is the truth.
The government vociferously denied that Gillespie had given any encouragement to Saddam.

We suspected she did encourage Saddam. It was rumored that she did. But the government always denied the suspicions and the rumors.

So now we know that the suspicions and rumors were true, and, SURPRISE, the government has lied to us all these years.
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:41 AM
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4. Why-the-Fuck is this brought up by a Republican and not a Democrat?
I'm speechless. Except for Kucinich and a few others they are all a bunch of corrupted bastards or wusses or both.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:07 AM
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6. Obviously a large segment
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 03:09 AM by Enthusiast
of our elected Democrats embrace this militarism.

Anyone that believes this nation to be a true democracy is sadly mistaken. On issue after issue the American people disagree with the actions of their government. And it is becoming clear that it doesn't matter what we want.

It is little wonder that then President G. H. W. Bush would pull this kind of subterfuge as he cut his teeth engaging in just these kinds of actions during his stint as C.I.A. chief but on a smaller scale.

I guess this is a kinder gentler sort of fascism.

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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:07 PM
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33. This is the post I want to recommend!
The MIC has it's claws in this country and will not let go. The government of the US does not serve people, it serves the Military Industrial Complex.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 02:45 AM
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50. Thanks.
Social security has a 2.5 trillion dollar surplus but it is running out of money. The military never runs out of money. Something is very wrong.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 04:36 PM
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58. The military consumes OVER HALF of the US budget. We are all slaves to the MIC.
The MIC will never allow peace. Peace is not profitable. They want our money and our children. And the United States government ensures they will have both.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:14 PM
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19. Both Parties have been corrupted for a long time now. You can count on one hand
the members of Congress that haven't been bought.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:16 AM
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7. Ummmm.... and?
Seriously, did anyone who wasn't some kind of ignorant or moron not already get this?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:01 AM
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8. no one in our MSM would admit it.
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Ed Suspicious Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:50 PM
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15. Color me moronic.
I was in high school in a small right wing town without cable tv or the internet. I had no idea about it. I am pretty sure this is news to a lot of people who weren't as into the politics of the war at the time as you were.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:37 AM
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48. Are you not aware of the distinction between "Ignorant" and "moronic"?

"Unaware"= 'Ignorant'.

"Moronic"= 'not interested in learning jack fucking squat you don't want to'.

I'm sure you're likely the former.

Is that accurate?
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sheldon Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:25 PM
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25. Funny how it takes 10-20 years for the MSM/politicians to say what
people who pay attention knew already.
That's part of why I USED to really respect Obama... he 'got it'. Read his 2002 speech against going to Iraq. Wish that same guy would have stuck around once he became president....
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:20 AM
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49. That's the problem with becoming President...
Once you do, you're not you anymore.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:56 AM
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9. this was news 20 years ago. we didn't learn it from rightwing texans, and we didn't
learn it from wikileaks. it's true the corporate media wasn't ever eager to cover the story, but the essential details were known
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Ash_F Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:14 AM
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10. Wow, well said.
Too bad more reps don't have the courage to speak out like that because this behavior will be the ruin of this country.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:04 AM
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11. But...but...Iraqi soldiers were ripping Kuwaiti babies from incubators!!!
And leaving them on the floor to die!!!

Barry Zwicker: The Incubator Babies Conspiracy

Poppy Bush used this crap to get us into the mid-East. But he was voted out of office and the right-wing's wet dream came to an end (remember PNAC?). Clinton refused to invade the mid-East, even when threatened with impeachment, and the plan was put off until the bogus election of Baby Bush in 2000 and the "convenience" of 9/11.



The Bushistas are sleazy, conniving, murderous traitors...
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:01 AM
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12.  Anonymous could dump news that G. W. Bush murdered
someone with all the facts and information and the MSM would not print it. It seems to not matter what Anonymous dumps no one is paying any attention. If it doesn't get reported did it really happen?
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. Thanks to Murdock and the removal of the Fairness Doctrine.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:15 PM
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35. True, but the people are paying attention, all over the world.
All these revelations confirming what many already knew or suspected, are diminishing the respect the US used to have overseas. Rightwingers' response to that is 'who the f**k cares what the rest of the world thinks'. I think if this keeps up without the criminals in this country being held accountable, they will find out soon enough why it matters.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:17 PM
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14. Like most other DUers I'd seen that quote before, but it still fairly remarkable that
Wikileaks confirms it.


Where is the liberal media?
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:52 PM
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16. It was known
But in the drum beat for war, and the widely spread (and now somewhat questionable) stories of Iraqi atrocities, the implications were lost.

Trav
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:12 PM
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17. Well said.
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:44 PM
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22. Let's identify the shadow government
And put a stop to this immoral imperialism. A lot of us have an idea who it is, neocons are but a part of it, it is time to end it.
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:16 PM
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43. If you are looking for info on the "shadow goverment"
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:09 PM
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23. K&R
You may not like this guys but one thing for sure with him and that is that hes not in the pocket of the MIC
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RyanPsych Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:41 PM
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26. "Greenlighted?" More like just maintained their current policy
After all, Saddam was one of our little puppets in the 70s and 80s.

We did nothing about his facist B'aath party. We actively supported his invasion on Iran. We didn't put up too much of a fuss when he gassed thousands of Kurds.

It wasn't until he invaded a country that we liked (and was oil rich) that we suddenly became righteous and all
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:56 PM
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27. i think i first learned about this from chomsky
years ago.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:05 PM
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28. No one will care...
This information has been around for awhile. It has fallen on deaf ears. The media didn't do anything then and they won't do anything about it now. No one cares in the mainstream - as far as the mainstream is concerned anyone questioning the US motives is a malcontent. There is no alternative to them. Orwell described our situation clearly. Double-think indeed.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:19 PM
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36. It may have been around for a while, but lots of people still do not
know it. Just a few days ago eg, someone told me that we 'saved Kuwait from Iraq' and that that was a noble 'war'. When I tried to point out that it too was based on lies, the response was 'you don't know what you're talking about'. I'm glad to see it, among other things we knew but did not have confirmation of, finally confirmed beyond a doubt.

The more people learn how the government lies to them, the less likely they will be to support more of these murderous wars.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:55 AM
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55. Agreed... I guess I didn't mean to say "no one will care"
The alternative media will certainly cover it and care. We care. And we have to keep putting that kind of information out there so that the future generations (of enlightened people) are aware of it. I guess what I meant by no one was actually the mainstream media and the mainstream politicians.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:45 PM
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56. I do agree with you. The media has ignored all of the Wikileaks
revelations. But still, people are reading them, the information is filtering out there and around the world, other people are learning about the deception of their own governments too.

And yes, we can help spread the truth, unless they silence those telling it. As they are trying to do with Jullian Assange ~

:-)
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:19 PM
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30. Most of this is openly known but buried by media neglect. Paul does a
great service by finally explaining why Al-Qaeda attacked us starting in 1993 off and on until the big one of 9-11, 2001.

Why didn't they attack in 1977 or 1988?

Because US TROOPS WEREN'T OCCUPYING SAUDI ARABIA THEN.

This is what drove Al-Qaeda into suicidal-homicidal rage: our continued presence of occupying soldiers in the land of the two holies (Mecca and Medina) after we'd promised we'd leave.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:54 PM
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31. They didn't exist yet either.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:22 PM
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32. The organized under that banner as a direct response to our occupation
of Saudi Arabia.

Al Qaeda was organized around that outrage.

Previously, they were mujaheddin in Afghanistan . . . our allies against the USSR, heigh ho.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:49 PM
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38. Meh, anyone paying attention would have known this...
please don't give props to life sucker paul.

The Iraqi's were petitioning the UN for months over Kuwait's slant drilling into Iraq reserves. The UN said fuck you to Saddam. So Saddam threatens to invade Kuwait. The UN basically says, "I'd like to see you try".

The rest is history.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:01 PM
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39. I've thought that for years. Seems logical Saddam would have back-channeled before committing.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:10 PM
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42. knr nt
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:05 PM
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45. Of Course they Green-Lighted the War.... the NeoCons had that planned for a long time
They planned 911.. they planned the War on Terror.. they planned this depression...

Wealth always flows from the weakest to the most wealthy. It's called "FREE TRADE".
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:53 PM
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47. Yep.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:06 PM
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46. K&R n/t
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MisterGamut Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 05:45 PM
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62. He said Hussein became Hitler personified.
I always thought Hitler was Hitler personified.
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