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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:53 PM
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Obama Wants To Cut Corporate Taxes?
 
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alllyingwhores Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:07 PM
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1. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBAMA!
psss...don't tell anyone...Obama is really owned by Wall Street and corpotate America...really...no...really

...so, why the F__K would he (Obama) "turn around"??
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vroomvroom Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:10 PM
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2. I'm Voting Obama cuz he Make me and My Repubs buddies Happy.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:21 PM
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3. You're wasting your breath Cenk
administrations may change and one thing is constant; the Goldman Sachs crew directing things.

The Fed and large special interests run this country.

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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:34 PM
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4. Capitalist Pigs
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:01 PM
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5. I voted for Obama
Yay me!

:banghead:
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:15 PM
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6. Obama is the first pres I know of who conceded taxrates to the opposition
for his entire term in office. Also the first democrat to try and sell supply side economics to the left as "a concession". What a joke!
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:29 PM
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7. Sounds like we've been hoodwinked, no?
I have been wondering the exact same things ever since his first actions as president.

We got a 3rd term for "Dubya" and nothing more.
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 12:16 AM
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9. I think there is more to it than a "3rd term for Dubya"
I think the problem is more serious than that: it looks like Obama seriously believes in supply side economics and the "reasonable" thing to do if he does believe in it is to lower the corporate taxrates to whatever is under the current highest personal taxbracket simply to tell the smart money to go into the real economy instead of the pockets of rich private citizens. There is really a method to the madness.

The really bad thing about that of course is what Cenk said: it will work for a while, until the lobbyists put back all the loopholes but by then supply side economics scored another PR victory. This will go on until we all end up in bread lines or reeducation work camps in alaska.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 08:07 AM
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13. "Tell the smart money to go into the real economy"
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that what the GOP claimed would happen as a result of the Bush tax cuts??? We all know how well that worked to get the "smart money" to invest here in America.

Method to the madness? Yeah, the madness is supply side economics and the method is to steal every penny from the poor and middle class and give it to the rich.
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 10:44 AM
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14. No, Bush did the opposite
he lowered top personal rates to be under the corporate rates: big difference! Obama will do the "opposite": lower corporate rates under top personal rates and it will work...for a while. That's the worst thing about it since it will legitimize supply side against the "liberal keynesian stimulus spending" we supposedly had the last 2 years. Of course the last 2 years we also had tax rates that actively worked to undermine the stimulus, that's why this is so cynical.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 04:46 PM
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17. Every stimulus bill he signed was nearly half tax cuts - not enough stimulus
But I guess you knew that since you said, "stimulus spending we supposedly had the last 2 years."

Seems like we both agree that our Professor President does not believe in the same economy that we believe in.
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 05:23 PM
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18. exactly: not just "not enough stimulus" though!
He did it while leaving Bush's supply side fiscal policy in place basically telling corporations: "here is a pile of cash, pay your execs a nice bonus because you'll keep getting the 2001-03 tax benefits for doing so whereas if you try to hire workers we'll hit you with the 1990s corporate tax rate".

He practically achieved 2 results with this policy:

A) He kept Bush's econ policies in place for 4 more years

while also

B) discrediting "liberal Keynesian policies" once and for all, to the point where many liberals are now parroting the supply side corporate taxcuts as a "great idea" from Obama and no one is talking about the "People's Budget" as a serious alternative to that.

Bush couldn't have achieved such a PR double whammy on behalf of Milton Friedman and Augusto Pinochet if he was Reagan's clone, let alone the fumbling buffoon that he was.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 09:13 PM
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20. So "our" Prez is Bush's brain
I'm not feeling good about this at all.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:48 PM
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8. He's a hoffifying disappointment.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 02:51 AM
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10. Obama: "Where else can you go? *smirk* "
He's looking pretty smug these days. It seems like all he thinks he has to do is make a few pretty speeches (while saying nothing) and let the GOP hang themselves.
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JonathanBrowne Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 05:48 AM
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12. 13 dimensional chess
Edited on Tue Apr-26-11 05:51 AM by JonathanBrowne
Not really, but just economics savvy.

Lowering the corporate tax while taking out loopholes will have a tremendous effect on American industry growth, which will add jobs like nothing else the government could possibly do.

I think it would be great to see an increase to bill clinton levels when it comes to PERSONAL income taxes, but it is not advisable to increase corporate taxes.

In all actuality, this is a powerful move and what a president like George Bush could have done to actually have a successful presidency, instead of launching incredibly expensive wars and lowering everyones taxes in a completely unsustainable way.

We need to understand that american corporations obviously are the main reason for our countrys strength and riches. There is a difference between a corporation and a rich individual. A corporation can benefit all its stockholders and the entire economy by increasing profits and competitiveness. A massively rich individuals coffers can afford to take a larger tax hit without affecting everything else.

Higher personal income tax for rich people, lower and more fair taxes for businesses. I would say that's Baracks ultimate plan.

It's not that Cenks heart isn't in the right place, it's just that I think he's into politics from an emotional prospective (like many people here at democratic underground) and I don't think he has much of an understanding of macroeconomics.

People would do well to think about the Obama quote where he's talking about how he was like a monk, holed up in the library at Columbia. This is a guy who obviously thoroughly examined the intellectual territory he would be working in. He gets the reality we live in.

Wild eyed "idealism" is not what America needs in order to put us on the right track economically and politically. We needed a president who has strong ideals and values, but also a very sharp understanding of how far those ideals are from reality and what is required to actually achieve things in the real world. We got that with Obama, but of course, many of us have delusional fantasies about what can be done and so we believe the sky is falling because we aren't all dancing in the streets singing kumbya and living in paradise on earth by now.

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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 11:08 AM
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15. Obama will be reelected as a result at the expense of liberal ideas
while validating supply side economics. It will be devastating because the next republican will just repeat Bush's move and lower personal rates to be under the new lower corporate rates and another liberal will simply eliminate all corporate taxrates. At the end of all of this is the supply side wet dream: a complete elimination of the public sector with the active participation of "both sides".
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 09:09 PM
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19. Then everyone will be happy
Except the poor and the dwindling remains of the middle class -- they'll be miserable and living in poverty. But who cares about those bums! They obviously didn't "work hard" to get millionaire status.

Let 'em eat cake!
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 03:42 PM
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16. btw, I really think liberals should stop calling reasoned arguments "emotional"
just because they either don't understand or don't agree with ECON101. I am still awaiting people to explain a "wide eyed" liberal like myself how is Obama's economic agenda going to lead to anything but a right wing "small government" nightmare?! and why is he not standing up for Clinton style DNC liberalism from 1993?! I don't demand the pres to start hugging trees and sing kumbaya with flowerchildren! all I am asking for is a halfway decent liberal fiscal and monetary policy! So please stop with the caricature of liberal ideas!
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