Litmus Tests, Executive Orders, and Wombs....a night with the religous right.

[madfloridian]

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Republican presidential candidates discuss their plans for banning abortion and appointing justices to the Supreme Court at last night's Values Voter Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Incidentally, the top tier candidates did not attend.

Litmus Tests, Executive Orders, and Wombs

During last evening’s Values Voter Presidential Debate, debate organizer Janet Folger displayed an ultrasound image to the candidates and asked the candidates what they would do, if elected, to “restore legal protection and the full rights of personhood to every American waiting to be born.”

The candidates quickly tried to outdo one another, with Sam Brownback proclaiming that he wanted to opportunity to nominate the Supreme Court judge who would overturn Roe v. Wade and Tom Tancredo explicitly pledged to have a specific abortion litmus test for choosing judges, while Duncan Hunter went so far as pledge to show a sonogram to any potential judicial candidate and only appoint those who see a “viable human life.”

Alan Keyes, for his part, promised to issue an executive order committing the entire Executive Branch to protecting “life in the womb,” while Mike Huckabee talked mostly about his pro-life credentials and made some odd comparison to trying to save “six coal miners in the womb of a coal mine in Huntington, Utah.”

[silverweb]

1. Scary.

Even Ron Paul panders to the anti-choice mob.

[madfloridian]

2. Yes, Ron Paul surprised me.

I thought he was libertarian enough not to want the government making medical decisions.

[liberation]

4. Ron Paul is an insane buffoon.

If you read on his stands of social issues you can see a clear mysoginistic and racist pattern.

The problem is that in the context of the stupidity that the current crop of GOPers bring to the table, Ron Paul's libertarian shit looks tasty in comparison. However, the best part of the shit... it is still that: shit.

Basically Ron Paul's position is this: The government is broken, so in order to fix it we need to kill it. If he were your mechanic and you took your broken car he would destroy it, if he were a doctor and you brought your ill child he would kill it to "save it." Libertarians should just be laughed out of town as the lunatics they are. The mental contortions that they go through in order to justify "I got mine so fuck you" as a politically viable programme are getting tiresome.

[Hulk]

3. Isn't it just "precious" that the religious zealots embrace "science" when it works for them?

Sure..."science says"....when it regards the human life..but otherwise, science is a deep, dark enemy of the devil. Such hypocritical idiots.

P.S. Keep burning those witches!!

[liberation]

10. Oh they love science alright...

... esp when it comes to their diabetes treatments after years of eating fried shit. They also expect science to pull all stops when it comes to treat their heart attacks and find a cure for their erectile disfunction.

The cognitive dissonance of these so-called conservative christians is deafening: They support the death penalty and war, but cry bloody murder when it comes to abortions. They are lectured about humility, by motivational speakers wearing $2000 dollars suit inside a multimillion dollar mega church... and at the same time these right wing Christian assholes cry bloody murder whenever there is a slight possibility that their precious tax dollars may be used to help someone in need.

Trying to find logic in their modus operandi is an exercise in futility. when you put them in their correct context: they are bunch of blood thirsty selfish assholes, who basically perverted Christianity in order to mold it into a message which allows them to justify their actions and sleep better at night. We are talking about denial en masse.

[bjobotts]

5. They show a 9mo old fetus still in the womb as representative of petri dish cells

Life from conception till birth would make masturbation mass murder. No one is aborting a 9mo old fetus. These people are self righteously insane. Supporting war that kills hundreds of thousands and then condemn zygotes for stem cell research as mass murder. Truly insane. They would regulate our thoughts if they could figure a way. Thank god the country is seeing how ridiculous these people are and are no longer willing to be associated with them. Fanatics that condemn anyone who thinks differently and insist that the end justifies the means...no matter what the means. This never was their country, we just have to tolerate them to have our country remain free.

[LostinRed]

6. agree

that ultrasound was of a fetus at least 7 to 9 months old. Also Ron Paul might be critical of the war however just like Chuck Hagel he is still a conservative. Don't like him just because he is critical of Bush on the war in Iraq

[Dollface]

7. If these idiots ever get their way I'll be jailed for not trying to fertilize my egg once a month.

[madfloridian]

8. Fred Thompson weighs in....make women and doctors criminals..

well, almost. He is not sure what he is saying.

http://www.dnc.org/a/2007/09/crimilizing_wom.php

"Pandering to extremists in the Republican party, Fred Thompson hinted that he's open to criminalizing women who receive and doctors who provide abortions. Vanessa from feministing has more on the issue:

Since Anna Quindlen's piece came out asking "How much time should she do?", it looks like Fred Thompson apparently has an answer for that.

The presidential candidate was asked that very question while in Iowa last week, and answered that women shouldn't be criminalized if seeking abortion under the first three months of pregnancy. That's right, just the first three months. You second and third trimesters can all rot in jail.

He also said, authorities "can do whatever they want to with abortion doctors, as far as I'm concerned," but "if it comes down to giving criminal sanctions to a 19-year-old girl and her mama, I'm against that." Such consideration!

Maybe he doesn't realize that doctors can serve two years in jail for letting a woman have a late term abortion....even if she might die. That's already been taken care of.

What a pathetic bunch of candidates. I may have to vote Democratic.

[rexcat]

9. I did not know that Keyes and Huckabee were anti-death penelty...

They both said ...and until the natural death of the individual, or something to that affect. I am sure they did not mean it but that is out it came out!

[lumpy]

11. Alan keyes would be the perfect dictator.

nt

[toadzilla]

12. sooo does the death penalty count as a "natural conclusion"

to a human life?

[percussivemadness]

13. if life begins at conception

I expect the pro-life crowd to lobby the Insurance industry for life insurance for the unborn child.

After all, it is alive..

peace