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GoLeft TV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 07:37 AM
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Papantonio: A Psychiatric Evaluation of Obama
 
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Obama did not grow up wearing expensive tailored suits, playing golf, with a pass into every ultra-exclusive social club on the planet. There was a day when he walked around in tattered jeans without enough money to pay a cab fare. What most of us missed in our hopes about our Obama mirage was that once he made it into those exclusive clubs, he would close the door behind him and never look back.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 07:37 AM
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1. oh, please!
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 08:19 AM
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2. Obama's in the club now, and it shows...
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rjwin Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:35 AM
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12. no, he thinks he's in the club.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 08:39 AM
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3. "Granted I'm no shrink..."
Well he says one thing I agree with anyway.

:shrug:

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:41 PM
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25. What Pap is saying is not going deep into the abyss psychology
It is plain cause and effect and an ability to recognize it. He has taken the facts (how (0) has acted since he won the presidency) and explained the inexplicable. It does not take a psychiatrist to do this. It takes common sense. He has shown us a few post cards of (0)'s life to support his conclusions, conclusions that I came to a long time ago without the post cards. His conclusion is that (0) is a wannabee and here are some reasons. That he used the words of psychology is secondary...psychology enters into everything that has to do with the mind at "play".
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 08:43 AM
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4. This is the first time Papantonio has disappointed me. I'm still trying to
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 08:45 AM by peacetalksforall
understand why I am not impressed.

We'll understand our country better when we can start talking about the ruling elite of the unmentionable B Group, the Tri-Lateral, the Council on Foreign Relations, the ownership of the country by the military and intelligence and all the money and media players and the way they use operatives to sway.

We are so absorbed with a two party running of the country that we are blinded to the way things have come to work. There is a hidden sub-government.

Better that Papantonio start covering who owns the country - except he won't get invited to be a guest anywhere.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 01:01 PM
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17. Exactly ...
more discussion of who owns the country --

and who keeps hold of it for them -- CIA/intelligence MIC ---

There's a lot on the internet now about Obama and his family and CIA connections.

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 08:47 AM
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5. the precise opposite of FDR.
Or look at his successor. Harry started poor, stayed poor, and died poor. Even though the machine behind him may have been corrupt, he was not. He led at a time of incredible pressure and trouble, and did it well. Harry would be a good role model for Obama, except that Obama does not seem to want role models.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:41 PM
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15. There are class acts amongst the poor, the middle and the upper
classes. There are rich kids who grow up to be class acts and visa versa. There are poor kids who grow up to be class acts and visa versa.

Money only magnifies that class act or its opposite.

The GOP is a gathering of the worst of these facts.

FDR grew up within a class act that was rich.

Harry Truman grew up within a class act that was not.

Both became class acts.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 01:58 PM
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19. Nicely put
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 08:49 AM
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6. Meh. It sounds more like he's describing Bob Dole.
Except for the mixed race child stuff, of course.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 08:59 AM
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7. I think Mike
hit the nail on the head again.
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:18 AM
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9. Um, no. I don't think he did. Clarence Thomas fits that "I wanna be in the club--"
--sort of easy psychology. Look at who he married. Look at how he votes as a judge. If Obama wanted into the country club, and that was all, then he went about it in completely the wrong way. Mike's analysis is bogus.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:02 PM
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20. C. Thoma$ Is just a much dumber version and is no more than a
cartoon of that insecurity. The mind is molded by each wisp of wind or leaf falling or bruise or bump on the head or worse; from birth; sometimes locked away in the subconscious only bearing its teeth in unrecognizable ways. The effect is kaleidoscopic. None of us are the same. But to pretend or work on the premise that their are no generalities or similar causes and effects that can be made, is a fools errand.

(0)'s every action since he has been president proves this dangerous insecurity that sadly exists in a significant number of our population.

The diff conditions between Clarence and (0) is that one is a neurosis and one is a psychosis.
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:23 PM
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26. Generalities can be made, but make them on only a few fact and you get bigotry--
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 03:26 PM by Moonwalk
Not every poor kids wants to join the rich kid's club. Not every mixed race kid feels like an outsider. Mike is pulling these generalities out of his ass and trying to make them fit. They don't fit because they require more than Obama being poor or mixed race. They require that Mike also show FACTS that prove Obama would have been in a situation where he'd frequently be deny entrance to a club he wanted to join but couldn't join. And Mike provides NO evidence of that till Harvard, and NO evidence even then that Obama would have wanted to join Harvard's rich-kid clubs. Without that one FACT such generalities can't be made. All you have is, "He's was poor so he wants to be loved by the rich..." Uh-huh. Sure. Let's generalize that for every poor person here and see how many of them find that generality accurate.

Obama might be evidencing any kind of insecurity or some other problem in his decisions and actions, but I seriously doubt that Mike's analysis is even close to right on what it is.
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lefty2000 Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:15 AM
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8. The Power of Hindsight
It is interesting that we knew all about Barack Obama's life story before he was elected, but we failed to draw the right conclusions about what his behavior would be in office. Maybe we need our heads examined.
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:52 AM
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13. This Analysis, IMHO, is bogus. Mainly because it's going for superficial facts--
--and totally and completely ignoring the facts that really matter. For example, Mike says "Obama was mixed race" which is a true, superficial fact...but is it the fact that really matters in deciding if Obama feels like an "outsider"? Let's go through the facts that really matter:

(1) Obama is a nerd. This is super important. Perhaps the most important thing of all. We know he's a nerd--the way he talks, the way he thinks, his pop culture references. This guy knows his Star Trek. So, superficial fact--Obama did have to earn his way into Harvard--but Mike ignores the fact which matters here: that, as a "nerd" Obama probably wanted it that way because it acknowledged his intelligence. Mike draws the wrong conclusion from the fact that Obama had to get into Harvard on brains rather than by way of family connections (like Bush, jr. did). He takes it as Obama feeling outsider...but, as a "nerd," getting in on smarts, Obama would have felt superior to those who got in on family connections. Special and unique rather than "outside."

(2) Obama was raised in the 70's. Obama was born in 1961 watching television with Bill Cosby as a spy, Diane Carroll as a nurse, Nichelle Nichols as Uhura, the Jeffersons, Stanford and Son. He grew up with hippies urging everyone to give up their wealth and live simply. He listened to Motown and saw a man walk on the moon. When he was a teen, people danced at disco clubs and said, "Have a nice day!" He didn't grow up shining shoes, selling newspapers, supporting his family and hauling around golf clubs for rich people (if you're going to say he wanted to join the country club, you'd better offer that sort of fact to me. Where is it?)--He grew up when the whole country, everyone around him, was complaining about gas shortages and trying to save whales. Where are these facts in that analysis? Obama may have been outside the country club (superficial fact)--but where and why did he yearn to be in that club? All the REAL FACTS of the time he grew up in says that everything around him, on television, in pop culture, ignored that country club and made the upper class look bad and undesirable, not good and desirable (is Mike's thinking of the 80's maybe?).

(3) Jakarta: Where does this country club shit come in given the fact that Obama lived in Jakarta from ages 6-10? He still has friends in India, Pakistan and Indonesia. He attended private and prep schools. If anything, he has to have felt that he was on the inside, not the outside. Because looking out of those schools, he'd have seen dire poverty, far more dire than he'd go through working at Baskin Robbins. Which means that Obama, contrary to this lame analysis, had to have known even when he couldn't afford a cab, that he was lucky; he wasn't starving or living on the streets. Mike's point that Obama was sometimes poor is true, but it's a superficial fact. The real and important fact is that his upbringing would have made him understand how "rich" he really was. Where in Mike's analysis were THESE facts?

(4) Hawaii: Where does this shit about "mixed race" and the hardships of that come in given that he went through grad school in Honolulu? If he was in Kansas I'd buy it, but Honolulu? We're talking about a state of so many different races and mixes...how and why would Obama stand out? How much yearning can you have for the white country club when most of the kids you hang with are of various races and, whatever their class, running around barefoot, in jeans, sleeping on the beach, surfing? Mike's got the superficial fact right--Obama was mixed race. But the REAL fact of how he grew up among all races is missing.

To quote Obama himself: "The opportunity that Hawaii offeredto experience a variety of cultures in a climate of mutual respectbecame an integral part of my world view, and a basis for the values that I hold most dear."

Mike's got the wrong story here. Totally wrong given the facts--the REAL facts. And his most egregious mistake is to compare Obama to past presidents. No past president has had Obama's very unique upbringing and there may be none that we can rightfully compare him to. We have to analyze him on his own, given his own unique set of facts. In short, Mike is making the SAME mistake here as he did in comparing Obama to FDR in the first place. He's only looking at the superficial facts, not the real facts, and drawing, once again, a bogus conclusion.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:15 PM
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21. "Hindsight is always 20/20" applies here.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 02:27 PM by ooglymoogly
Pap is doing just that and his conclusions have been obvious to many of us who once supported (0)with our money our time and our feet; that we have been had and Pap has just put 2+2 together and come up with the correct answer. None of us figured this out before the election because (0) and the "
msm" made sure we didn't; except for the neoconartists who had everything to lose.
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:31 PM
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28. My apology--
I didn't mean to post that in reply to you. I mean it to be a general reply. It was in no way a comment on what you said which I agree with. Is there anyway to delete posts? There's no editing it at this point.

I've reposted the post as a general reply as intended.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:30 AM
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10. This reminds me of Senator Frist doing his "diagnosis" of Terry Schiavo
I don't see much on DU except wild speculation, conspiracy theories, and character assassination.

I thought we were the fact-based site.

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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:12 AM
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11. Obama has some problems, but that analysis is really off the wall
and frankly kind of nutty.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:23 PM
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14. Absolutely nailed it. Been saying this since the beginning of
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 12:30 PM by ooglymoogly
(0)'s Presidency, when he began immediately proving this diagnosis. Anybody with a soup'son of gray matter can take the action's of (0) from the start; look at them analytically; and come to no other conclusion; that, that dangerous insecurity will be his dominant drive and is the only thing that makes any sense for the odd machinations of (0).

Or tell me some other way (0)'s inexplicable actions make any sense.

In my lifetime I have known more than one of these types who grew up in a world before America finally woke up to what Europe already knew, black is beautiful and proud black is even more beautiful, not needing to sell one's soul to be accepted as (0) has. That for those who do not accept a person for his color; their acceptance is not needed nor even desired nor worthy of "friend". (0) is prostrating himself before his enemies and asking to be accepted as one of them.

The Irony is that these folks he is groveling beneath, are also our enemies and the enemies of democracy, truth and common sense. They are not "high class" just because they have money. They have no class; just lots of money, they are not interesting to know nor do they contribute anything to what is anything like a class act. Their idiocy is only magnified by their money. Just money who's only purpose is to bully folks into believing the unbelievable; a fairyland where idiots are the masters.

These monsters are the folks (0) "needs" to be accepted by and that is dangerous to us all.

In six more years there will be nothing left to give away as we move ever more swiftly to fascism for the non monied and the non powerful; with none but a standout handful; there to protect the interests of the common man.

(0) is not one of that handful of folks protecting our interests; and for that he particularly stands out; because he bombastically pretends he is; talking the talk, yet behind the curtain, the walk of a corporatist crook.

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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:57 PM
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16. Papantonio says it himself...
He's no psychologist/psychiatrist, so why does he pretend to play one on TV.

He does say "I'd like to make a few guesses"

I'm not a big fan of this kind of reporting.

Now, if he was reporting on what actual psych workers said about Obama, that would be different.

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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 01:42 PM
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18. Hit it right out of the ballpark!
And exactly what I've been saying in our videos regarding the 'love me Daddy/Mommy' complex he shows towards the right wing who despise him and will never accept him no matter how much he sells out his base.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:29 PM
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22. In the context of the video: A more accurate Psychiatric Evaluation of Obama
would more likely say (if he really is a good guy)that he was easily duped by psychopathic manipulations, and that would be being kind_ and dependent on him having a conscience. To continue..., such an evaluation would have to conclude that his psychological understanding and ability to deal with predators is non existent and that he is not the leader people of conscience so desperately need...

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:29 PM
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23. I think what he says has merit. n/t
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:37 PM
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24. The other half of Obama's problem
When we got into office, the thing that surprised me most was to
find that things were just as bad as we'd been saying they were.
-- John F. Kennedy
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:29 PM
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27. IMHO, this analysis is completely bogus because it relies on superficial facts

--and totally and completely ignoring the facts that really matter. For example, Mike says "Obama was mixed race" which is a true, superficial fact...but is it the fact that really matters in deciding if Obama feels like an "outsider"? Let's go through the facts that really matter:

(1) Obama is a nerd. This is super important. Perhaps the most important thing of all. We know he's a nerd--the way he talks, the way he thinks, his pop culture references. This guy knows his Star Trek. So, superficial fact--Obama did have to earn his way into Harvard--but Mike ignores the fact which matters here: that, as a "nerd" Obama probably wanted it that way because it acknowledged his intelligence. Mike draws the wrong conclusion from the fact that Obama had to get into Harvard on brains rather than by way of family connections (like Bush, jr. did). He takes it as Obama feeling outsider...but, as a "nerd," getting in on smarts, Obama would have felt superior to those who got in on family connections. Special and unique rather than "outside."

(2) Obama was raised in the 70's. Obama was born in 1961 watching television with Bill Cosby as a spy, Diane Carroll as a nurse, Nichelle Nichols as Uhura, the Jeffersons, Stanford and Son. He grew up with hippies urging everyone to give up their wealth and live simply. He listened to Motown and saw a man walk on the moon. When he was a teen, people danced at disco clubs and said, "Have a nice day!" He didn't grow up shining shoes, selling newspapers, supporting his family and hauling around golf clubs for rich people (if you're going to say he wanted to join the country club, you'd better offer that sort of fact to me. Where is it?)--He grew up when the whole country, everyone around him, was complaining about gas shortages and trying to save whales. Where are these facts in that analysis? Obama may have been outside the country club (superficial fact)--but where and why did he yearn to be in that club? All the REAL FACTS of the time he grew up in says that everything around him, on television, in pop culture, ignored that country club and made the upper class look bad and undesirable, not good and desirable (is Mike's thinking of the 80's maybe?).

(3) Jakarta: Where does this country club shit come in given the fact that Obama lived in Jakarta from ages 6-10? He still has friends in India, Pakistan and Indonesia. He attended private and prep schools. If anything, he has to have felt that he was on the inside, not the outside. Because looking out of those schools, he'd have seen dire poverty, far more dire than he'd go through working at Baskin Robbins. Which means that Obama, contrary to this lame analysis, had to have known even when he couldn't afford a cab, that he was lucky; he wasn't starving or living on the streets. Mike's point that Obama was sometimes poor is true, but it's a superficial fact. The real and important fact is that his upbringing would have made him understand how "rich" he really was. Where in Mike's analysis were THESE facts?

(4) Hawaii: Where does this shit about "mixed race" and the hardships of that come in given that he went through grad school in Honolulu? If he was in Kansas I'd buy it, but Honolulu? We're talking about a state of so many different races and mixes...how and why would Obama stand out? How much yearning can you have for the white country club when most of the kids you hang with are of various races and, whatever their class, running around barefoot, in jeans, sleeping on the beach, surfing? Mike's got the superficial fact right--Obama was mixed race. But the REAL fact of how he grew up among all races is missing.

To quote Obama himself: "The opportunity that Hawaii offeredto experience a variety of cultures in a climate of mutual respectbecame an integral part of my world view, and a basis for the values that I hold most dear."

Mike's got the wrong story here. Totally wrong given the facts--the REAL facts. And his most egregious mistake is to compare Obama to past presidents. No past president has had Obama's very unique upbringing and there may be none that we can rightfully compare him to. We have to analyze him on his own, given his own unique set of facts. In short, Mike is making the SAME mistake here as he did in comparing Obama to FDR in the first place. He's only looking at the superficial facts, not the real facts, and drawing, once again, a bogus conclusion.
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TheeHazelnut Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:51 PM
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29. seems like a Pap smear... nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 06:28 AM
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30. I believe he nailed it.
It explains a lot. Jmho.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 11:47 AM
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31. He doesn't seem worried about being loved by those who
campaigned for him, gave him money, etc.
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