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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:51 PM
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Attorney Jailed for Not Saying Pledge
 
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:57 PM
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1. "Say the words we tell you or else."
"Show me your papers."

Any of this sound remotely like America?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:11 PM
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2. That judge should be dismissed.
Obviously he believes in worshiping idols instead of defending/upholding the Constitution.

Thanks for the thread, swag.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:15 PM
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8. Dismissed, fined and put in prison for a few years, see how HE likes
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 03:16 PM by activa8tr
enforced rules and order from the other side.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:26 PM
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3. I remember when in the late 60's the court decided forcing kids to say the pledge violated
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 02:27 PM by mrcheerful
kids rights, it went before the court because a number of religious sects had a problem with pledges to anything other then their god. A few educators also had a problem with saying the pledge at the beginning of class because it wasted time that could be spent teaching. Then along came Ronnie Reagan who declared how those evil rat bastards the liberals took the pledge out of the class room and that was why kids weren't learning, funny how R's never seem to connect fact from fiction.

Edited to correct spelling error
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:26 PM
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4. And these judges
are NEVER removed!
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:36 PM
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5. School children have the right not to say the pledge in the classroom if they don't
want to. I stand and place my hand on my heart, but never recite the pledge at school. It is my right. It is their right to participate or not in the pledge.

The judge had no right to demand the lawyer recite the pledge. The lawyer remained standing in respect of the judge and the others who did participate. That is simply good etiquette, and even that is not required.

Judges should be required to know the rights granted to individuals by the Constitution -- rights that the judge's "supreme" position in the courtroom cannot overrule.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:44 PM
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6. I had to recite the pledge as a kid...
I had no clue what the words meant at that time. I had some odd notion that being under god made us invisible or something.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:58 PM
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7. Fascism in all it's glory. The judge should be jerked off the bench
and sued for whatever.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 04:40 PM
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14. LOL!
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 06:13 PM
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15. I'm serious, it was like a magic flag with special god given powers!
And thats why America is exceptional.
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DetlefK Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:16 PM
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9. Why should somebody recite a marketing jingle?
The Pledge of Allegiance was invented (by a socialist!) as a marketing gag to sell more flags to schools. Google it.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:46 PM
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11. Because it draws an arbitrary line; making it easier to divide and distract the American People.
Whether that was the intention of the Pledge's "inventor" matters not, that's what it is and that's what it's used for.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:23 PM
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10. This country is turning into 1930s Germany. n/t
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:46 PM
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12. To give you an idea how ridiculous it is to make anyone recite the pledge, consider this:
When our elder daughter was to take her year of high school "abroad," she elected to go to my US home of Dallas, Texas.
She lived with our friends there and went to the local public high school. As this was to be her first time living
away from the family, and the first time living abroad, I went with her for the first week (gave me a chance to visit
with our friends there anyway). After the first couple of days, I asked her if all was OK. She said, yes, but she had
a hard time getting used to some of the stranger rituals.

Strange rituals? In a Dallas public school?

Yes, she said. The ritual chanting they did every morning.

I said that they were forbidden by federal law to do ritual chanting in a public school.

She insisted that they did just that. They all got up, and said something in unison that started with "I spread the peaches."

I answered that I could not imagine that they all stood up and chanted "I spread the peaches." She said there was more to it,
but that was the only part she understood. They mumbled the rest.

Wondering if a Dallas public school had been taken over by Hare Krishnas or Body Snatchers, I asked her for more details.

She said they all stood up together, put their hands on their chests and started to mumble this chant that started with
"I spread the peaches."

Hands on their chests? I said, could it be that they are saying "I pledge allegiance?"

She said she had no idea. What did "pledge" mean and what did "allegiance" mean?

She was 16, and her English was pretty good, but in normal conversation, the words "pledge" and allegiance" are not
frequently used with your 16 year old daughter, and so she didn't know either word in English, having grown up as a German.

The Dallas kids were so bored with chanting it each day that they mumbled it to the point where my daughter couldn't make
out a word they were saying, and her ears transformed the first part into the closest thing she would have understood.

I spread the peaches to the flag....................
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 04:21 PM
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13. That little misunderstanding sure changes the tone of the pledge!
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