Larry Craig - Bathroom Bust Tapes

[ronhardy]

Run time: 09:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvOPwj-7utg   Posted on YouTube: August 30, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: August 30, 2007 By DU Member: ronhardy Views on DU: 1881

 
Larry Craig - Bathroom Bust Tapes



Audiotape of police sgt. questioning and arresting Sen. Larry Craig.

Sgt. said he voted for Sen. Craig, but was disappointed in his lying to a police officer.



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[Nomad559]

1. It's Been Posted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x50956

:)

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[crim son]

4. How so?

Nothing weird about it.

[Nomad559]

5. I am a weirdo?

You are reposting a video that was posted here a little more than an hour ago.

:eyes:

[davidwparker]

3. I'm listening to it now. That arresting officer seems like a nice guy. I don't

know why Craig is giving him a hard time.

[Jed Dilligan]

6. Usual cop bullshit

Pretending to be a "nice guy" and then manipulating him into giving a confession.

Craig, however, is an idiot for saying anything to him at all.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. The policeman was surveilling the lav undercover for such people

didn't he already arrest 20 or more

[Jed Dilligan]

12. Irrelevant to my point

My point is that cops ALWAYS do the same thing--act like they're your bestest buddy to get you to confess, and pretend they will take you to a place where you'll be beaten/raped if you don't. Most people don't understand their rights and fall for this bullshit. I'm surprised a US Senator is as dumb as your average high school stoner in this regard.

[Tab]

7. This whole thing is weird

I've never heard of that "ritual", but I don't move in those circles, so I don't know if it's common or not.

And I suspect, if the cop was in there, that he didn't necessarily know it was a Senator coming in.

That said, don't you need a little more evidence than tapping feet and a hand to bring a charge?

I do agree that Craig was stupid for at least not talking to a lawyer, and maybe he was right to keep this quiet by paying the fine, but going to a court trial would have been political suicide, this way it was just potential political suicide if it got out.

But still, shouldn't he have had to do something a little more explicit, even if was just speaking something or exposing himself? I mean, you can't do stuff under a partition (I don't think) so you'd have to go either through a hole or enter the other stall. Or was he asking the cop to expose himself?

Nevertheless, there have been rumours about Craig for years, and he's hypocritical if true, so I have no tears lost for him, but just wondering legally what was going on.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. 'no smoke without fire'

I'm sure this hasn't been the first time he has been 'cottaging'

[Tab]

11. Oh, undoubtedly.

And I've been in more than my share of bathroom stalls, and have never had anyone try to do that stuff to me, certainly reach under my partition and play footsie and stuff.

Although playing footsie and holding the partition is beyond any bathroom etiquette I've even known as an adult, I'm just not sure how that is legally actionable. Hell, even street prostitutes have to make some offer of services or some lewd remark or something.

But, again, it's not like I'm shedding any tears; I don't doubt that he did it, was just wondering how they justify a charge just from those simple actions.

[nytemare]

8. "You shouldn't be out to entrap people, either"

Entrap them into what, being gay? If he said he was entrapped, that does imply some sort of guilt. What is it that he did that he would NOT have done if he wasn't "entrapped"?

[Jed Dilligan]

14. Do you understand entrapment?

I'd say this is a borderline case, but your comments are irrelevant to the definition of entrapment. Entrapment is when a police officer encourages you to commit a crime so that he can arrest you. If a cop says, hey man, wanna smoke some weed? and you say, "Sure!" and he pulls out his badge and cuffs you, that's entrapment. It doesn't matter if you were planning on smoking weed before HIS illegal action or not.

[nytemare]

15. I wasn't arguing whether it was entrapment or not

What is with the condescending tone?

It was a quote from Craig in the interview, and it spoke to his state of mind at the time. The question is, what did CRAIG think entrapment was?

His comment was that the officer shouldn't be entrapping people like that. In making that comment, he had some kind of thought in his head that he did something wrong, and he would rationalize it by saying he was entrapped into doing it.

His comments the other day were that he did nothing wrong, he was not gay, blah blah blah. If he did nothing wrong, or he thought he did nothing wrong, why say he was entrapped? Then he said he was trying to pick up a piece of paper. Which is it? Was he "entrapped" into doing something he knew was wrong, or was he just minding his business?

These were inconsistencies I was pointing out in what Craig has said.

I am well aware of what entrapment is, and even so, this case would not fit the definition of entrapment. An officer sitting in the stall is not inducing someone to do something they wouldn't already have the intent to do. (There is your LEGAL entrapment definition, intent is in the legal definition). There was no verbal communication, he was just sitting there.

That being said, I do think this case would have been iffy if it had gone to trial, and may be the reason the charge was pled to disorderly conduct, not some sort of public indecency charge, I'm not sure of the law there in MN.

I am not sure what in my post made you angry. I was trying to point out something Craig said, so I don't know how you read it to merit the tone you used in your response.

:shrug:

[Jed Dilligan]

16. Not angry, you misread my capitals

I'm too lazy to use html tags for italics.

I am sick of the equally lazy drift into fascism embodied by DUers who will side with the cop, every time, and who think everything cops do is by definition legal. Sounds like you don't represent that faction, so, okay.

[JTFrog]

13. What I found interesting was the remark

he made right after they read him his rights.

"Well I was going to the bathroom here as I normally... err I'm a commuter through here".