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MrObama Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 05:56 PM
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MSNBC Keith Olbermann: Fundamentalist Christians Are No Better Than Fundamentalist Muslims
 
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 06:07 PM
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1. Proof:
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 08:01 PM
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3. Fundie Christians will contribute to bringing this country into
the Dark Ages. They are ignorance personified.
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lenegal Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:12 AM
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16. That is their aim............to bring us back to the dark ages
They keep trying. Regressives.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 07:47 PM
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:17 AM
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13. Less body count?!? not even close..,
Bush1 and 2 where fundys,. the head of Blackwater was a fundy, loads of the US military, at all levels are fundys, many of the arms contractors are fundys (remember the bible passages etched onto gun-sights!, etc.) The tinny body count of all the muslim fundys world wide comes no where close to the millions of people killed by the american "cristian" right-wingnut fundy loonies and their war of terror of the non-fundy-"christian" world. They just used more deceptive propaganda techniques to paint their rivals in the faith based loony wars as the bad guys and themselves as the great defenders of freedom, democracy, and all things good. (while they are actual pushing for a new dark age!) Faith and religion are a cancer on the people of the world. Embrace reason!
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 08:04 PM
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4. It's Israel that's at war with Islam.
America- as Israel's bitch- is along for the ride. We are the shield Israel hides behind.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 08:07 PM
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5. My feelings exactly.
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RowdyRacer Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 08:29 PM
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6. Right on the nose...
Our unconditional support of Israel is (one of)the biggest faults of the U.S.
We are accomplices to the ruin of the Palestinian people.
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NYMdaveNYI Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 01:42 PM
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21. Israel is SURROUNDED BY NATIONS THAT WANT TO ERADICATE IT...
I dont condone the seizing of the Gaza ships, but when youre surrounded by people who want to kill you, youre probably going to defend yourself, right?

Israelis dont blow up buses on a daily basis in Damascus. However, muslim terrorists blow up buses in Tel Aviv in the name of their god.

As a former jew, I can tell you that there is nothing in the jewish bible that tells us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in the jewish god.

Its real easy to say that were Israels bitch, but were just trying to help a nation (the size of New Jersey) that is in constant threat of annihilation from all sides.

I am not against this Islamic Cultural Center at Ground Zero, (we werent attacked by muslims in the first place)
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 02:22 PM
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22. And vice versa-Israel with US backing is by far the most powerful & dangerous country in the region
Edited on Sun Aug-15-10 03:10 PM by GreenTea
Israel has nuclear weapons....no one else allowed - enough said on that!

But getting into the semantics of the religious aspects of it all by saying this country's religion believes in this shit or my side or country believes in that shit is ALL contrived masquerading manipulating BULLSHIT - designed to distort the facts, smokescreens & propaganda meant to confuse and cloud the issues simply to justify lies by both sides.

Each country should stay within their own borders and stop causing shit by conniving and finger pointing to excuse their attacks.

Keith Olbermann is absolutely correct. Religious right-wing fundamentalist are liars, dangerous and completely nuts and that goes for both sides of the Jewish-Islam fundamentalist as well!

Fundamentalism is nothing more than controlling the lies and bullshit for self gain, which in reality is nothing more than disguised political ideology.
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NYMdaveNYI Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:15 PM
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23. exactly, both should stay within their borders.
Fundamentalism is the enemy, as well as theocracy, and theology.

I dont justify any of it.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:59 PM
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24. just a factual note - Deuteronomy 13
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy...

Worshiping Other Gods

1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. 17 None of those condemned things shall be found in your hands, so that the LORD will turn from his fierce anger; he will show you mercy, have compassion on you, and increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your forefathers, 18 because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 05:15 AM
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7. kick and recommend!!
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jae1227 Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 06:41 AM
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8.  Kick and Recommend!!!
This is a great post. Ellison has a great argument!
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 07:04 AM
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9. It's amazing to watch as right-wing "Americans" fight against American ideals.
Is there any daylight between the Gingrich position and the al Qaeda position? They both hate America and what it stands for, that's for sure.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 07:36 AM
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10. Gingrich is a prime example of the Christian Right's morality!!!
The lecherous bastard would screw himself to fame and fortune just like McCain.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:00 AM
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11. I'm not sure whether "fundamentalist" is quite the right word to use.
Edited on Sun Aug-15-10 08:00 AM by BlueMTexpat
Not all who consider themselves "fundamentalist" are radical right wingers.

But I fervently agree that ALL radical right wing (insert regligion) nuts are the most dangerous people of all.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:47 AM
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17. well yes the truth does have some nuances
Edited on Sun Aug-15-10 10:06 AM by Douglas Carpenter
For example it would be hard to imagine a religious group more fundamentalist than Mennonites. The Mennonites comprise the bulk of the Christian Peacemaker Teams - an organization deeply involved in protecting the civilian population - frequently at the risk of their own lives - in some very dangerous places like Iraq and the Palestinian Territories. Many people would define such a group as "far left" yet most hold to a very fundamentlistic and literalistic interpretation of the Bible and Christianity.



CPT has its roots in the historic peace churches of North America, and its four supporting denominations are the Mennonite Church USA, Mennonite Church Canada, Church of the Brethren, and Friends United Meeting. It is also sponsored by the several Christian groups: "Every Church a Peace Church", "On Earth Peace", "Presbyterian Peace Fellowship", "Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America", and the "Congregation of St. Basil. In conflict areas it works in partnership with Jewish, Muslim and secular peace organizations, such as the International Solidarity Movement and Peace Brigades International. Another component of CPT's work is to engage "...congregations, meetings and support groups at home to play a key advocacy role with policy makers."<1>

Although it is a Christian-based organization, CPT does not engage in any type of missionary activity. Their website states "While CPTers have chosen to follow Jesus Christ, they do not proselytize."<2> This has raised the question of what distinguishes them from similar "secular", organizations;

"All the groups resemble one another other in that they all work to stop violence, but according to CPT's Web site, it has an advantage over secular groups: "In Muslim areas, the Christian nature of CPT helps to create confidence because of a shared sense of monotheism." The group does not believe that its Christianity might also put it at a dangerous disadvantage in areas of the world where religious tensions run high."<3>

While their website also states that Corp members are Christians, there are instances when members of short term delegations have not been. For example one of the CPTers who was held hostage in Iraq, Harmeet Singh Sooden, is a Sikh.
History



A 2004 protest by CPT outside the Toronto office of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), protesting the detention of non-citizens under security certificates.

The inspiration for the group came from Ron Sider at the Mennonite World Conference in 1984. At it, Sider criticized Mennonites and Brethren in Christ for reducing their peace witness to simple conscientious objection:

Unless we Mennonites and Brethren in Christ are ready to start to die by the thousands in dramatic vigorous new exploits for peace and justice, we should sadly confess that we really never meant what we said.... Unless comfortable North American and European Mennonites and Brethren in Christ are prepared to risk injury and death in nonviolent opposition to the injustice our societies foster and assist in Central America, the Philippines, and South Africa, we dare never whisper another word about pacifism to our sisters and brothers in those desperate lands.... Unless we are prepared to pay the cost of peacemaking, we have no right to claim the label or preach the message .<4>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Peacemaker_Teams



But unfortunately, suffice it to say that most other (but by no means all) American fundamentalist Protestants these days are very right-wing. Of course there are also a number of fundamentalist who are simply a-political.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:14 AM
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12. Like hearing fundie ministers referred to as "Radical Clerics"
Saw that on Gawker and cracked up. Very appropriate whether it's used to refer to Pat Robertson, the rabbis making sure women can't pray at the wailing wall, most Catholic bishops, or some jihad-crazed iman.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:23 AM
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14. Why do so many of these goofy RW organizations have "freedom" or "family" in their names?
They are some of the most intolerant organizations in this country.

I can think of better words that begin with "F" that they can use in their names.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:57 AM
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15. They're EXACTLY the same.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 11:21 AM
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18. It is about time we see this
...Religious Reich people are our own terrorists of any religion. Including so-called "Christians" whose right wing views seem to forget that their own prophet never once preached hatred but love.

Also as Reverend Carlton Pearson has pointed out, proselytizing should not be the mission of any religion. As a former graduate of Oral Roberts University and Oral Robert's "black son" he got it when he said he realized that he had no business trying to get people to sway to his religion, indeed it was a sin in itself. His business as a minister was to love. Now his church is full of gays and other people who are considered "sinners" and he regularly meets with synagogues and mosques in order to find common ground. He said it was because he realized that his religion was using God as a bank account, where rich preachers preached fear and hate in order to line their own pockets. He was guilty of the same and when he began to preach love his own mega-church died. Nobody wanted to hear that terrible word "love" because it is too radical and too hard to do. As a matter of fact his own religion calls him a heritic for preaching such "scary" things as love. You can hear his story here on NPR's This American Life: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/... .

It seems to be a no-no to look terrorism in the face and call out our own. I am not afraid to do so, but it has been hard to point that we indeed have terrorists within our own churches, because God forbid (literally) we cannot see through the cloud of prejudice that there ARE Christians out there who are no different than any other religion. BTW those other non-christian religions view the pro-violent use of God as heretical themselves, because they preach love too.

Using God as a war weapon is an oxymoron.

Cat in Seattle
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athenasatanjesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 01:09 PM
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19. So do centrists believe that there is a left wing equivalent to this?
These political arguments keep getting more and more one sided yet somehow there are still people in the center.
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NYMdaveNYI Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 01:34 PM
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20. so, the MTA wont allow Citi Field to have its name on the subway map, but...
they allow an islamophobic ad showing the plane hitting the tower (which was not piloted by an arab at all, rather remotely by NORAD as part of Operation Able Danger)


Since the 9-11 Official story was publicized, there has been rampant islamophobia in this country,


much in the same sense that all of Europe hated jews after the Nazi propaganda machine told them that jews caused the global depression.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:04 AM
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25. "...disabused of that erroneous belief"
(3'46")
:applause:

Thanks, Rep. Ellison: I love it when I can augment my vocabulary on a daily basis!
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 04:13 PM
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27. He's my rep!
I love Keith E!
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:12 AM
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26. Very VERY Important Piece!
:kick: too late to rec, unfortunately.

Thanks for posting.
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