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HarveyDarkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:19 PM
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Grassley- Was Right To Bear Arms Granted By God Or The Constitution
 
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:32 PM
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1. Her answer was interesting in what she didn't say.
Something to the effect of "What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you some kind of asshole or what?"
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:35 PM
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2. Someone please explain to me why
Republicans are so crazy?
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:39 PM
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3. Why is these fucks can't seem to get the difference between the Constitution and Declaration?
In fact I think I heard him mention them together as though they are the same document.
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HarveyDarkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:46 PM
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4. And since he can't pronounce (or remember) "inalienable"......
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:52 PM
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11. Unalienable. nt
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HarveyDarkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:55 PM
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12. I stand corrected, nt
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James48 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:41 PM
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13. Inalienable....
Jefferson actually wrote "inalienable".

It was Adams who messed it up and said "unalienable".

Damn that Federalist Adams!

http://www.ushistory.org/DECLARATION/unalienable.htm
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:03 PM
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14. Right. There are also such things as inalienable rights.
Those rights described in the D of I are coined "unalienable," though.
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:41 PM
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10. No, he didn't confuse the two.
He was asking if, in Kagan's opinion, a connection could be made between the two with regard to the 2nd Amendment. I.E., do the rights spelled out by the 2nd Amendment fall squarely within the "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" rights vaguely described in the D of I.

It was a legit question, but he was obfuscating the complications of the question a little by asking it so simply.
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:51 PM
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5. His next question
His next question got cut off because he ran out of time. It was:

"When Jesus said turn the other cheek, was he talking about turning it with an AK-47 or an Uzi with cop-killer bullets?"
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:59 PM
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6. It was a trick question, since everyone knows GAWD! (praise be!) wrote the Constitution.
Everyone, except liberal Gawdless Jew communists of course.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:59 PM
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7. Because God wants everybody to have a gun
:sarcasm:
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:34 PM
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8. I wish...
I wish Grassley, Sessions, Coburn, McCain and the rest of the republican men over the age of sixty would ALL get voted out of office or just retire.
C-Span would be easier to watch without them and I'd be much happier ;)
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:37 PM
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9. He's trying to confuse the right to defend oneself, which I believe
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 07:43 PM by coti
would fall under those rights endowed to us by our Creator, with the right to bear arms (a right which I support, within reasonable limits).

Guns didn't exist when we were created, so I doubt that our Creator had them specifically "in mind" (if I may anthropomorphize a bit) when it put this here deal together.

He may still have a decent argument, considering that we at least evolved the skills to make these weapons and use them to protect ourselves. But, considering the originalist approach he likely takes to such things as civil liberties and constitutional rights, I'd be more likely to say that, from his point of view, guns themselves weren't explicitly granted as "God-given," self-evident rights when we were created. They therefore would have been granted as rights under the Constitution itself, by people.
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:25 PM
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15. You've Got to Be F'n' Kidding Me!
How do clowns like Grassley get elected?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:17 PM
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16. Unrec to TPM for stupid video title
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 11:18 PM by X_Digger
He actually makes a good point in all that hem-ing and haw-ing.

The second amendment 'grants' nothing. It protects. As the preamble to the bill of rights states (showing the intent of the BoR):

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution


Abuse of whose powers? The government. Restrictions on whom? The government. This is a 'government shall not' document, not a 'the people can' document. The collorary to that is that even if the second amendment were repealed, the right of effective self-defense would merely be moved from an enumerated right to an unenumerated right. (ex-enumerated?)
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