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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:34 PM
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Arizona Protest Turns Aggressive
 
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Posted on YouTube: April 24, 2010
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Posted on DU: April 25, 2010
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:37 PM
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1. I'd be angry too!! n/t
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 03:26 PM
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17. The 5 W's
This vid is next to useless. Good reporting requires the date/time, location, context, and maybe a link or two to a fuller account. By the looks, this could be the crowd after a contentious sporting event.

Click link for a better example: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/04/24/18645618.ph...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:40 PM
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2. I see the freep brigade is out unrec'ing
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 06:50 PM
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3. This was from Saturday's protest.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:24 PM
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4. I bet the dude with the Stars And Stripes bandana was a counter-protester
Don't try counter-protesting the Latinos, dude, unless you can run or have police protection.

I don't quite agree with them chasing him, but that's the way they are.

They are pissed and registering en masse to vote.

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:31 PM
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5. he was
'In the minutes leading up to Governor Jan Brewer's signing of the controversial immigration bill at 1:30 p.m., protestors knelt in prayer.

Shortly after the signing, a man supporting the bill started taunting the protesters, saying "get the f*** out of my country."

Those students then started throwing bottles at the man until police calmed the tension.

The man was led away, and one student was arrested for hitting a Phoenix police officer with a water bottle.

The officer was not injured.'








http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/central/...
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:43 PM
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6. And most were probably American-born
And there ancestors may have been Americans longer than he was.

Poor little white dude.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:21 PM
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7. clearly folks aren't going to take it laying down
I also read that the police do not want this law, they think it will reduce
willingness of latino community to call police or report crimes when needed,
because people don't want to be harassed over their skin color.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:36 PM
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8. Ooops. Maybe it was a bad idea to try to marginalize 29% of the population.
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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:11 AM
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9. Does Tehran ring a bell?
I have no further questions your Honor.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:11 AM
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10. There is only one race...the "Human Race". Profile illegal 'employers' of aliens
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 12:14 AM
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11. If AZs could find really decent paying jobs in Mexico they'd run for the border.
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Thornleylv Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 07:27 AM
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12. They will run alright!
some people Will run to the Nevada,Utah,New Mexico,Colorado and California borders also! I Would run. Everyone should run.

Although there could be another way. If only we had some peaceful means of the transfer of Leadership. Then we could elect the type of people to represent us in a saner manner and no one would need to make a run for the boarder.
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freedommachine Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:16 AM
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13. Looks like a tea party....
oh wait, never mind.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 01:34 PM
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14. Really?
Didn't see that many old, fat, white people in yard chairs. :sarcasm:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 02:38 PM
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15. Except the Tea party
is an astro turf group created by corporations to look after and protect corporate interests. That's a fact. Otherwise the Tea Party would be protesting the SCOTUS Citizens United decision, but they're not. Proof enough for me.

The Arizona protesters are genuine grass roots protecting themselves from an assault on their actual citizenship. Teabaggers all pretend all the time.

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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 03:05 PM
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16. I know it's not going to be popular to say
Edited on Mon Apr-26-10 03:06 PM by SnakeEyes
But we should speak out against this just as we should the tea party protesters. If this were a video of the tea party the subject would probably say "violent" instead of "aggressive" and we'd be pejoratively calling them an angry mob and that they are using fear and intimidation. Chasing after one counter protester that the police have to escort out due to safety fears is not how you persuade the people and make your cause look like it's in the right. It also makes us look hypocritical. We should be condemning this as well. Peaceful, reasonable, and calm protesting is what's needed.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 04:38 PM
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20. Take a moment and think
"Peaceful, reasonable, calm protesting" - know what that sounds like?

Back in the 60's, during the Civil Rights movement, blacks and their organizers were constantly told not to protest, or if they do, to follow certain pre-written guidelines. The reason being? "You'll scare the white people away."

For all intents and purposes, the people in this video have just been declared criminals by their state government because of their ethnicity.

You expect "calm and reasonable" protests to that?

Does the term "white privilege" mean anything to you? What you're looking at here is the result of something that you will, in all likelihoods given DU's demographics, never have to worry about. It's very nice that you can sit at home and cast judgment on these people for having the audacity, the temerity, the uppityness to be fucking pissed about the laws that are now targeting them.

Is violence a good thing? No. But you can't really expect anything else when this much bullshit is thrown into people's faces, and then some dumbfuck decides to rub it in a little more. The stupid fucker getting chased knew exactly what the results of his fucking idiotic action would be. He's lucky that all he got was some garbage thrown at him.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:03 PM
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21. You're wrong
King showed us that we really can expect anything else. And African Americans had much more bullshit to deal with.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:27 PM
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22. I suggest you do some research on the subject
Throw in Gandhi, while you're at it. Seriously. Now before I go further, I want to point out I have nothing but admiration for these two men. They had their flaws and all, but what they did and what they said is worthy of respect.

But they ain't shit without a few million angry motherfuckers behind them.

That's the key. That's what's constantly ignored. Gandhi and King... neither one of them would have accomplished anything if it weren't for the very real threat being posed by the people standing behind them. Both of these men were basically saying to the establishment, "We can do this my way, the peaceful way... or I can just step aside and let all these nice people with torches and pitchforks figure out how to handle the situation."

King and Gandhi earned their place in history in large part by keeping lots of brown people from actually revolting against the established hierarchy, just like how chief Joseph is only remembered for having the good taste to surrender unconditionally. It's the Little Brown Hero myth, very popular with liberals, even if most of them are unaware of its origins or meanings.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 06:04 PM
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23. ok but
Edited on Mon Apr-26-10 06:08 PM by SnakeEyes
This does nothing to support your claim that we can't expect anything else. We certainly can and did with King. He was successful.

Your either/or assertion is evidence of a ridiculous lack of understanding. King and his followers understood that peaceful protest persuaded better. That angry and violent protest were more likely to entrench opposition and promote stereotypes. They knew they would be the sympathetic group to the rest of the nation when the dogs, firehoses, and batons were turned on them.

Even if I were to grant your assertion that there was an either/or scenario. You still need to exhaust the first, peaceful, option before the or.

As for your comment about pre-written guidelines, King and his fellow organizers were the ones that issued their own guidelines to the protesters. They were all asked to sign a pledge of nonviolence in order to march.
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donthebun Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 03:45 PM
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18. Yep
When you take away people's civil rights and violate numerous amendments, what other direction could it go?
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Buenaventura Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 04:35 PM
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19. Arizona, find yourself another country
to be part of (sorry Phil - we miss you & need you back!)
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