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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:54 AM
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Flu Vaccine Exposed
 
Run time: 08:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCBlxqmOMKM
 
Posted on YouTube: August 13, 2008
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Posted on DU: September 26, 2009
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Studies show that flu vaccines are unsafe and ineffective. This presentation by the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute includes a visual depiction of flu vaccine production -- how the flu vaccine is made and what it contains.


The video by Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute offers a good summary of what every person should know about the seasonal flu vaccine; how its made, and its effectiveness.

Signs and Symptoms of Influenza

As most of you probably know, influenza is a contagious viral respiratory infection. Symptoms include:

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Fever
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Chills
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Runny nose
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Sore throat
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Cough
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Muscle aches
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Fatigue
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Decreased appetite

Typically, the condition will improve after two to three days of bed rest, although some symptoms may persist for about a week.

What many people do NOT know, however, is that death caused directly by the flu virus is very rare. The vast majority of so-called flu deaths are in fact due to bacterial pneumonia a potential complication of the flu if your immune system is too weak.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:00 AM
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1. This is not a political video.
It's anti-vaccine propaganda. The only place it's suitable is either Health or September 11.

Besides that, the information is incorrect.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:09 PM
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12. Mineral man
3. VIDEO CONTENT
This is a political website so we expect the videos to have some political content or relevance to current news stories. I think the latter is what the poster was referencing when he/she posted the vaccination information being exposed. You must admit that this is a CURRENT NEWS STORY. And base on D.U. video content rules for political videos that this does meet the standard.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:18 PM
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22. The source where this video is found is a wellspring of
quackery. The people who made the video misquote the studies that are mentioned. The publishers of the video are a publishing house which specializes in books that attempt to discredit medical science and promote bogus "alternative" things like homeopathy.

It's conspiracy theory stuff, not information.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
35. There isn't any controversial material
in the video at all! It reviews RESEARCH data. That's it!

Knee jerk much?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:02 AM
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2. Sooooo, what do you think of the pneumovax vaccine?
Vaccine Information

The pneumococcal conjugate vaccine, PCV7 or Prevnar, licensed in late 2000, is the first pneumococcal vaccine that can be used in children under the age of 2 years. For infants aged 2 to 23 months, the conjugate vaccine has been incorporated into the childhood immunization schedule.

Pneumovax and Pnu-Immune are 23-valent polysaccharide vaccines (PPV23) (recently renamed PPSV) that are currently recommended for use in all adults who are older than 65 years of age and for persons who are 2 years and older and at high risk for disease (e.g., sickle cell disease, HIV infection, or other immunocompromising conditions.)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/pneumo/default.htm
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:03 AM
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3. I predict that OP will oppose that vaccine, as well.
I take the pneumovax every year, since I have lung problems.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:04 AM
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4. I thought the shot was good for 10 years? Or get once, then repeat at 65?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:07 AM
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7. That's right. I misspoke. I guess I was thinking of the seasonal
flue vaccine, which I do get annually.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:06 AM
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5. Sensational and non-factual as is the OP's understanding
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:46 PM
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37. It's RESEARCH data! sheesh
Why are you all misrepresenting the information? Just to shut down discussion some more, or some other reason?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:45 PM
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41. In the words (ascribed to) PT Banum, there's a sucker born every
day...

This is HARDLY research... but, perhaps you'd like to invest in a little swamp land I happen to own... :eyes: Don't be a sucker for propaganda.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:52 PM
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42. The studies are real and factual.
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 04:55 PM by Why Syzygy
You haven't looked into it obviously; preferring instead to listen to the conspiracy nuts on your side of the mountain.

If you want to stop spreading disinformation, get busy with the google.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. I hold my credentials against anyone on this forum
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 05:29 PM by hlthe2b
I work in the field. So, unlike you, I know propaganda from an anti-vaccine group when I see it. But, take what you wish to inform yourself.. PT Barnum, was right (as was Darwin).
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:07 AM
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6. But I saw on Youtube
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 11:07 AM by Turbineguy
that if you don't take the vaccine Obama will put you in a concentration camp!

I hope it's a different camp than the one he'll put the wingnuts in after he takes their guns.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:12 AM
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8. Here's the info on the organization that put this out:
"About Us

New Atlantean Press was established in 1992 as a publisher and distributor of holistic books. Most of these publications are chosen for their unique emphasis on empowering people with choices and honoring everyone's innate desire to live in harmony with each other and the natural world. All are hand-picked for their ability to stimulate thinking and promote an honest exchange of ideas.

The Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute was established in 1996 to provide parents and other concerned people with educational resources enabling them to make more informed vaccine decisions. Thinktwice encourages an uncensored exchange of vaccine information, and supports every family's right to accept or reject vaccines.

Thinktwice/New Atlantean Press is not affiliated with any religious or political organization, nor with any federal or state agency. For more information, please read our DISCLAIMER."


This is not a medical organization. Rather, it is an organization that opposes modern medical technology and advises people to use "holistic" alternatives. Read their stuff with that in mind. Personally, I think the stuff they put out is dangerous to people's health, since it can lead to people ignoring serious conditions and avoiding treatment that can save their lives.

Nobody is required to take the flu vaccine. So why are they pushing their alternative medicine bias so hard? The answer is money.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:13 PM
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13. Money is the push? Probably so, for Big Pharma too
Sorry, not taking a shot that one of the manufacturers says needs more study*, especially in light of the fact that manufacturers are exempt from any liability!

Let's see, we know panic panic fear fear sells just about anything. Let's take fear as marketing applied to a flu that seems to not be killing the usual suspects AND no liability? There's a money maker if ever I saw one!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-frank-lipman/swine-flu...

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Even GlaxoSmithKline, one of the vaccine manufacturers has said, "The total population studied in clinical trials will be limited, due to the need to provide the vaccine to governments as quickly as possible. Additional studies will therefore be required and conducted after the vaccine is made available."


Since flu viruses mutate so quickly, isn't the real problem that H1N1 can combine with other flu viruses, creating new strains that the vaccine will not protect us from? And since the serious cases and deaths seem to stem from "cytokine storm" in people with very good Immanuel systems, wouldn't it seem wise to fight inflammation. You know, like with vitamin D which also helps the body fight virus invasion in the first place. Might be a reason there is so much more flu in winter, when we don't soak up much vitamin D via the sun. Since my rheumatologist has me on 8000+ units of D daily for inflammation, I have not been coming down with all the viruses my husband has managed to get. Thinking a full spectrum lamp for reading would be a good present for him. Might help with his winter depression too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16959053
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. I agree with you
It is a one-size-fits-all approach that makes the vaccine companies very rich. Yet vaccines, over the decades, have saved many lives.

Maybe flu shots are a good idea and maybe they are a useless scam. It's pretty hard to tell when people just get hysterical about the topic.

I think everybody needs to analyze what is happening here without polarization (the government, the medical community, etc). Is the new swine flu vaccine a good idea to get? Maybe, maybe not. Neither opinion should provoke people to fly into a rage.

My daughter is looking for advice on whether to get her 4-your-old vaccinated for swine flu. And I simply don't know what to tell her.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. I would suggest that YouTube videos
are probably not the best source of information on this subject. Perhaps advising your daughter to consult with her child's physician would be a good idea? Anyone can publish anything on YouTube. In this case, they got it wrong. They misquoted the source they used. They're anti-vaccine. The business they're in is selling books that malign medical science in favor of things like homeopathy.

Tell your daughter to consult a doctor, not a quack on YouTube. That's my advice.
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #24
44. Unfortunately the physicians are not veering from the straight and narrow
They will say to get the vaccine because that is what they are expected to do. They will not discuss the risks involved with an untested vaccine and insinuate that there is even a decision to be made.

Part of the reason for that is because of the vaccine controversy polarizing people so people (except me) say 'all vaccines are good' or 'all vaccines are bad' and nobody is doing any critical thinking on the subject, just looking around for info to back up their stance.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. Well, in the first place, this video has nothing whatever to do with
the H1N1 flu. It's about the seasonal flu vaccine.

In the second place, the source is more than just questionable. The OP found this video on a famous quackery site.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #8
38. CHOICES! OMG!!! Call the National Guard!
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 03:48 PM by Why Syzygy
Choice. So Anti Democratic. :eyes:

It's none of your business. Bug off and worry about your own health issues.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:14 AM
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9. facepalm
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:24 AM
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10. I'm K&R this. I can't believe someone has already unrecommended this.
I guess showing information that exposes the death of our children spiking due to the flu vaccine is a message that must be suppressed.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:34 AM
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11. Well, one thing's for sure...the organization that put this out
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 11:39 AM by MineralMan
is not a medical group at all. Instead, it's a publisher of questionable material on homeopathy and other discredited quackery. The video is little more than a promo for the books, etc., sold by that company. But, hey...there are quantity discounts on the stuff, so go for it.

This is not a political video in any way. It's an advertisement.

Anti-vaccine nonsense is a conspiracy theory. You can find most such postings in the September 11 forum, along with all the other conspiracy theories.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:25 PM
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15. I found it here
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:16 PM
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21. Of course you did.
"Dr." Mercola is a quack of the first water. We went through this before. Look him up on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

Perhaps that will jar your memory.

"Mercola has received two warnings from the FDA for marketing nutritional products in a manner which violated the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.<4><5> A 2006 BusinessWeek editorial criticized Mercola's marketing practices as "relying on slick promotion, clever use of information, and scare tactics."<6>"

As I said, this is defective information. Whatever qualms people may have about the flu vaccine, and this video concerns only the seasonal flu vaccine, the information you have provided is not based on any sort of medical science. The video misquotes the organization it used as a source, and Mercola is a quack.

Anything you post from "Dr." Mercola's site is suspect.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
32. Well if the FDA and Business week
are against him, it is likely he is ruffling feathers with big pharma and insurance company's.

I am quite confident that if gravity had to be approved by the FDA it would clearly meet strong resistance from the multi-national drug corporations.
-Joseph Mercola


But please do go ahead and get your swine flu shot Mr Mineral Man.

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. Medical degrees are only
valid for those who stay with the Agenda. :crazy:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:01 PM
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33. Al Franken is not an attorney as he indicated to the DOJ this
week, but he understands the fourth ammendment. But incase you want a doctors opinion on this H1n1 shot I found this and a video with Dr. Nancy Schinder telling americans that just because a shot is effective doesn't mean it's safe. She goes on about the deadly effects that were introduced in the 70's.

Canadian doctor Ghislaine Lanctt, author of the Medical Mafia, has underscored the lawsuit recently filed by Austrian journalist Jane Brgermeister against the WHO, the UN, and several high ranking government and corporate officials. Brgermeister has documented how an international corporate criminal syndicate plans to unleash a deadly flu virus and institute a forced vaccination program.

I am emerging from a long silence on the subject of vaccination, because I feel that, this time, the stakes involved are huge. The consequences may spread much further than anticipated, writes Lanctt, who believes the A(H1N1) virus will be used in a pandemic concocted and orchestrated by the WHO, an international organization that serves military, political and industrial interests.

Lanctt warns that the elite and their minions will introduce a compulsory vaccination that will contain a deadly virus and this will be used specifically as a eugenics weapon for massive and targeted reduction of the world population. Moreover, a pandemic will also be used to further establish martial law and a police state, according to Lanctt, and activate concentration camps built to accommodate the rebellious and eventually transfer power from all nations to a single United Nations government and thus fulfill the sinister plans of the New World Order.http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/canadia... /

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. That's the thing. Research data indicates it isn't even EFFECTIVE!
I don't care if people want to poison themselves with the shots.

I DO CARE if they want to shut me up talking about it.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. If it didn't make $$ for Big Pharma, they wouldn't have blog posters out there
Wonder how much people can get paid for unrec posts that raise legitimate questions and seek meaningful discussion.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. I know
the whole unrec thing is allowing right wing trollers to knock down anti-corporate information.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. Since I'm the main one pointing out the flaws in your OP,
I take it you're calling me a right-wing troll. Is that the case? I am no such thing. Not in any way.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Not a penny. I'm the lead debunker of this anti-vaccine nonsense
in this thread. I guarantee you that I'm paid absolutely nothing for that. The people getting paid are those who are publishing bogus books about medicine. They're creating fears and profiting from them.

It's pure conspiracy theory bunkum.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. I was once on Free Republic, and was banned in 2006.
probably cause you were just too smart for those guys :party:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. You found my profile, I see. I posted on Free Republic,
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 01:37 PM by MineralMan
trying to correct the misinformation on that site. I finally wrote them off as a worthless use of my time. I posted that information in my profile to provide full disclosure. It's almost 2010, now.

One of the things I worked to debunk over there is the stupidity of relying on non-medical information. There are WAY more anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists over there than here. Way more. The anti-science mob on FR is one of the main reasons I quit that site and was banned. I could no longer fence with the unarmed.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #30
40. *snarf*
You're just a wellspring of mind control to your prejudices, aren't you.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #14
34. That is a curious thought. I wonder why D.U. institued that option?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:49 PM
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18. 35,000 die in the US alone from flu or complications
herd immunity from vaccinations would save most of them.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #18
27. That's absolutely true.
In the bogus video, they deny that number, and use the number that die from influenza alone. They deliberately leave out the fact that influenza lowers immune response to bacterial infections like pneumonia and that the chest congestion caused by the flu creates an environment ideally suited for such bacteria to thrive in the lungs.

So, that 35,000 number isn't of those who die of influenza, but those that die from complications resulting from influenza. That is the principal lie in the video, and it's a particularly egregious lie.

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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:53 PM
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19. Thanks for posting this video.
It belongs right where it is not shoved in the basement. It appears some people are opposed to information being put out there that goes against their own beliefs.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:06 PM
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20. Well, so much for the old maxim.
Not all that quacks is simply a duck. Onomatopoeia becomes noun. :rofl:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. It's Homeopathetic, to be sure.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
31. disgusting, fear-mongering, and above all fucking *stupid* bullshit
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 02:03 PM by enki23
and did you know that very few people directly die from car accidents? it's the loss of blood that actually kills them. seatbelts don't do anything to hold in your blood.

Q.E.retarded fucking D.

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justinaforjustice Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:44 PM
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36. Question Everything!
Commenters are right to question the reliability of this video. I too would like to read the original studies they cite in support of the notion that anti-flu vaccines are virtually useless and present dangers. Apparently the source of this video is a publisher of homeopathic and natural remedy books. They are in it for profit.

The real problem is that we also cannot trust our drug industry and FDA to provide accurate information or reliable drugs. We know that the drug companies -- who are also in business to make profits -- have successfully placed their former scientific employees and high level managers in positions of power and influence in the FDA. These folks then go on to approve whatever is offered by their former drug company employers, frequently without requiring objective testing of the drugs.

Given that making profits, not providing health care, is the key motivator for the vaccine producers, I don't trust their production standards or their marketing campaigns. Given that our federal drug regulators are frequently in bed with the big drug companies, I no longer trust their approvals or recommendations.


Until such time as reliable, objective information on flu vaccines are available, I will forego taking them. Indeed, I think I'll wait until little Cuba comes out with a recommendation. They are not in the business of making profits off of health care and drugs, but have one of the best health care systems in the world, according to the UN.


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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #36
45. Very well said. That is exactly how I feel about this issue.
I really wish more people were in the middle of this, rather than taking a side then screaming at the other side.

I did not realize that about Cuba. It is very good that someone is trying to be objective!
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:01 PM
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47. Locking
This isn't a Political Video. Feel free to repost this in the Health Topic Forum.

Thanks,
petersond
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