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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:11 PM
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Killing liberals
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx7I32IMtxY
 
Posted on YouTube: September 21, 2009
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Posted on DU: September 22, 2009
By DU Member: Joanne98
Views on DU: 5683
 

Somebody thinks it's funny to make videos about killing liberals. This one is about killing gays.

This one is about killing war protesters

http://www.youtube.com/user/PMEmike#play/all/uploads-al...

Here's his youtube channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/PMEmike

He needs his ass kicked!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:17 PM
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1. kick, to inflict upon myself when I get off work. nt
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:20 PM
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2. Here's another one Killing Vegans!
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 12:22 PM by Joanne98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuML_P1n9Tw

This one has Jesus in it. He tells a redneck to kill vegans!
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:22 PM
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4. Killing Vegans?? Oh for fucks sake...nt
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:22 PM
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3. Didn't they kill enough during the Crusades, The dark ages..
the inquisition and the Nazi era?!
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:22 PM
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5. This is sick in more ways than one. Recommend taking this DOWN!
Didn't watch it all...as it's so immature and twisted it was hard to stomach.

Got to the part where captain KKK sticks his stake up the rebel's ass...but that was more than enough for me.

Take this pathetic video down. Turned my stomach that we have such sick, twisted minds walking the streets with the rest of us.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:30 PM
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7. It will still be up on youtube. Why don't you go over there and alert on them?

I didn't put it up here for entertainment!
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:29 PM
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6. Truly offensive
That just turned my stomach. It is scary that people like that are among us.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:30 PM
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8. Snazzy outfits, though.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:31 PM
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9. Here's one about race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7CtIhSv1l4&feature=rela...

I can't believe youtube is letting them do this.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:31 PM
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16. Youtube is doing a great service
Letting all these potential McVeighs self-identify. I just hope that Janet Napolitano is paying attention and not letting RW fake outrage get to her. These people need to be observed, and caught BEFORE they cross the line, not after.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:40 PM
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10. Okay you guys. Go to this link and click flag under the videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/PMEmike

I'm flagging all of them for abusive conduct.
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MrObama Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:49 PM
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11. I'm flagging all of them too
This is disgusting. Sick sociopaths.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:51 PM
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12. Thanks. I think they'll take them all down when they see them.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:56 PM
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13. Flagged
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:20 PM
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23. Thanks I flagged them too eom
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:56 PM
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14. PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE THEM COMMENTS!
I know these two guys are about the biggest assholes ever, but if you go on their channel and start giving them shit it's going to be like Viagra to them. They would love nothing better than to see a bunch of pissed off liberals chewing them out in their comments, and then they'd get their own bigot allies to defend them and yadda yadda ya. In the end, they just get get more attention which is what they want.

Joanne98 is correct. You can flag their videos for inappropriate content. There's even a reason they allow you to give for the flagging, and you can select offensive to sexual orientation as the reason. Just do that and nothing more. They are not deserving of any more attention.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:07 PM
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18. Agree. Flag them. n/t
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:34 PM
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19. Good idea. Don't leave any comments please!

:hi:
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:26 PM
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31. you can't comment because your wrong
"I know these two guys are about the biggest assholes ever, but if you go on their channel and start giving them shit it's going to be like Viagra to them"

Thanks for the kind words sir. I'm sure you wouldn't want anyone to comment after realizing your misconceptions about the videos in question.

You still don't understand the meaning of this do you?

Are you upset about the videos?

Good!

You're supposed to be.

Do you not agree with the viewpoints in the video?

Good!

You're not supposed to.

I swear, humor is lost on you "so called" liberals. A redneck who prays to a Jesus candle and revels in the murder of Vegans; you can't see the irony in this? Seriously?

My god. You people sound like the screeching old people at the town hall's yelling about how they don't want Government Health plans but love their Medicare. You're completely clueless and unable to grasp a simple concept known as Satire, which is meant to draw out stereotypes through sometimes offensive means.

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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:25 AM
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42. Dude, I'm sorry you were misunderstood
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 02:33 AM by Downtown Hound
But can you see by now that maybe your satire was lost on many people, not just dumb old me? You're new to this site, so I will just let you know right now that DU'ers are no strangers to satire. Some of the people on this board have some of the funniest and most irreverent minds you will ever meet. The whole point of satire is to make the audience understand that it is satire, and if large numbers of people fail to do so then the failure is on you, not them.

If you wouldn't mind a little constructive criticism, then I will offer you some. The main problem with your satire is that on some level you fail to understand that there are many people out there that behave and think very much like the people in your video do. The point of satire is to unmask the absurdity of something often through exaggerated behavior. You may feel that the characters in your video are such total exaggerations and that no one could possibly believe they were the real deal. Sadly, with everything that I've seen come out of right wing the last nine years, I totally believe that these people could be for real. A good satirist has a good pulse on the culture and the audience and knows how to include just the right touch of absurdity to make it work.

You mention the idea of a redneck that prays to a Jesus candle and revels in the murder of vegans as being ironic, and wonder if I can see the irony in this? Yes I can. It is most definitely ironic that somebody would do that. However, I have no problem believing that there are plenty of not only rednecks but conservatives of all stripes that might pray to a Jesus candle and revel in the murder of vegans. Conservatives are nasty people. They love the death penalty. They love war. They love competition and free markets at the expense of the environment. They hate gays and all that is different from them. I find nothing far fetched about the idea that some of them would revel in the murder of vegans.

So while the point you are attempting to make in the video is of course, ironic, it fails to make the viewer aware that it is satire because conservatives are ironic. They are hypocrites to the core. They preach love and Jesus and yet kill countless innocents. Why would I think anything other than they're just another bunch of hypocritical, whiny conservatives?

I hope that instead of being offended by this experience you will take it as a learning experience and use it to reflect on and better your art. I must say that I do like the points you are trying to make in these videos, so if nothing else, you show a lot of potential in terms of the topics you take on. Just work on your delivery a little. Hey, nobody ever wrote the Great American Novel on their first try. It takes a lot of work. The trick is to not give up, so don't.

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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:26 AM
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53. You people attacked me
"The main problem with your satire is that on some level you fail to understand that there are many people out there that behave and think very much like the people in your video do."

I do understand that there are people out there like this. Why do you think I made the film? Why else would it be called Satirical? I think you need to read the post at the bottom where I explain the process.

"A good satirist has a good pulse on the culture and the audience and knows how to include just the right touch of absurdity to make it work."

You see, this is where you're wrong. A good satirist will elicit reactions of anger out of the viewer, it's part of the art. Just like in "A Modest Proposal" where Johnathon Swift creates the scenario of eating poor Irish children as a form of population control, there is no punchline at the end of the joke, you just need to understand where the artist is coming from. People read this and were outraged at the absurdity, only later to find out it was a work of Satire. The only reason you laugh at South Park is because you know it's a joke. Imagine watching one of the more radical episodes without knowing it was supposed to humorous, you might have the same reaction.

"However, I have no problem believing that there are plenty of not only rednecks but conservatives of all stripes that might pray to a Jesus candle and revel in the murder of vegans. Conservatives are nasty people. They love the death penalty. They love war. They love competition and free markets at the expense of the environment. They hate gays and all that is different from them. I find nothing far fetched about the idea that some of them would revel in the murder of vegans."

You're extremely close minded with this point of view. This is more dangerous than the film itself. Saying all "Conservatives are nasty people" isn't an accurate statement, that's what's called a stereotype, and that's offensive. Not all conservatives love the death penalty (some oppose it on moral grounds), not all of them love war (I have conservative friends who fought in Iraq, they sure didn't love it), and stating they all hate gays is just as offensive and untrue.

And why may I ask are the Vegans not just as guilty? In the film, they are the militant ones, pushing their ideals on others. Why are you only demonizing the redneck character when they are just as guilty. Is it because you agree with their ideals? Because that would make it just as bad as siding with the redneck.

Sorry. You people attacked me. I came here to defend my position and stop you from trying to ban my YouTube account. Your groups defense was immediate slander, not tolerant debate.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:58 AM
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56. Okay, you need to grow the fuck up
I tried to give you a reasonable response, but I can pretty much see now that you're just a whiny child that needs to go the fuck away. First of all satire is not supposed to just make you angry, it's supposed to make you laugh, and if it does its job well, think. That is why satire is considered comedy. Your videos are about the most unfunny thing ever.

Don't come on a liberal board and try and defend conservatives. People come to this board because they are angry at conservatives, and with good reason. Everyone here knows that there are individual conservatives that may not support war, the death penalty, and so forth, and no one, myself included, really gives a flying fuck. We're pissed off at the movement, because they are guilty of a lot of shit. If any conserviative have a problem with he fact that we're pissed at them then they need to buck up and take it, because their movement has done a lot of shit to a lot of people. I don't know how anyone in this day and age can call themselves a conservative and not feel shame. To me it's like calling yourself a Nazi but saying, "I'm not really not a bad one like the rest of them." Fuck that. If that makes me narrow minded then I really don't give a shit. I'm pissed off at all the shit they've put the country through.

And I can't help but laugh that you accuse me of demonizing the redneck character when according to you, that is the whole point of your video. I specifically said that I didn't just think it was rednecks that would revel in the murder of vegans, but conservatives of all stripes. And no, I don't think all conservatives would do so. But there is a faction that spans acrosss the party that would including both rednecks and non-rednecks.

You are the one that made fun of rednecks, not me. You accuse me of being narrow minded, and yet you use petty stereotypes and the lowest common denominator to make fun of people. And you call it satire, but then say it isn't supposed to be funny. Well that's good, because it isn't.

And as I have said, people here attacked you because they thought you were advocating the murder of gays and anti-war protesters. That is why they tried to get you banned. You come here and try and defend yourself by saying that it was intended to be satire, and then you say that your satire isn't supposed to be funny, it's supposed to get us angry, and then you get angry at us because we're angry? Could you just make up your mother fucking mind as to how we are supposed to react to your fucking videos? Tell me master, what is my reaction supposed to be? Explain to me how your satirical genius is lost on me, because obviously you're way too advanced in your social commentary for us ignorant little morons to grasp just how brilliant you are.

Learn this now if you're ever going to be an artist of any kind. You need to pay attention to how people DO react to your work, and not how you WANT them to react. If you're looking for a certain reaction, and fail to get it, then like I said, the failure is on you. Don't say that we are supposed to get angry at your videos, and then whine and complain when we do.





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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:15 PM
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59. how come all your responses are inflamatory?
"I tried to give you a reasonable response, but I can pretty much see now that you're just a whiny child that needs to go the fuck away."

Because I quote you and try to rebuke your comments with debate I'm now considered a child? Who's the childish one? Maybe the "adult" who argues with profanity rather than intelligence.

It's almost too easy to debate you people. Every response out of you is so wrong it's funny.

"First of all satire is not supposed to just make you angry, it's supposed to make you laugh"

Wrong. Satire is not required to be funny, you might want to freshen up on your definition of the word and the art form.

"That is why satire is considered comedy. Your videos are about the most unfunny thing ever."

Satire is not considered comedy. It's considered Satire. It's a form of art in itself.

"Don't come on a liberal board and try and defend conservatives. People come to this board because they are angry at conservatives, and with good reason. Everyone here knows that there are individual conservatives that may not support war, the death penalty, and so forth, and no one, myself included, really gives a flying fuck."

And I think you clearly demonstrate the intellectual capacity of yourself and everyone that comes here. Your comments were both insulting and stereotypical. You would rather hate someone who labels themselves as a conservative based on blind hatred; kind of like how some people hate gays because their gay.

"And I can't help but laugh that you accuse me of demonizing the redneck character when according to you, that is the whole point of your video. I specifically said that I didn't just think it was rednecks that would revel in the murder of vegans, but conservatives of all stripes. And no, I don't think all conservatives would do so. But there is a faction that spans acrosss the party that would including both rednecks and non-rednecks."

I said you only demonized the redneck; leaving out the militant Vegans as what? Innocent!

"Explain to me how your satirical genius is lost on me, because obviously you're way too advanced in your social commentary for us ignorant little morons to grasp just how brilliant you are."

I think I've done that about 100 times already on here. I think you, and everyone else, refuses to read and believe what I say. You don't have an open mind to new things or artistic forms, you won't listen to anyone but yourself and those who think like you. I'm sorry, but you are extremely ignorant, so much so that your views can be considered just as dangerous as the people who you blindly objectify as the enemy.

"Learn this now if you're ever going to be an artist of any kind. You need to pay attention to how people DO react to your work, and not how you WANT them to react. If you're looking for a certain reaction, and fail to get it, then like I said, the failure is on you. Don't say that we are supposed to get angry at your videos, and then whine and complain when we do."

Once again, I am an artist, and I do very well at it. I DO pay attention to how people react to my work and thought that maybe I could show you the irony behind the complaints and messages I've received here. Instead, I've received nothing but, "well... you're dumb" or "well... you're just a kid". You can be angry, good, but slander and insults will only get you so far. I'm not complaining or whining, you sound like a child in that respect, I'm simply proposing a viewpoint and offering debate on something you, and other people on this board, for the what? The 10th time now? Refuse to understand.

You can hate them. Great. But you have yet to offer a viewpoint that provides any insight whatsoever. Instead you would rather use profanity and insults to get your point across. If you represent the majority of "intelligent adults" in this country, we have a serious problem on our hand. I fear for any children you might have.


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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #59
64. LOL. Okay great film making master, let me just explain a few things to you
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 12:59 PM by Downtown Hound
First of all, my first response to you wasn't inflammatory. I honestly tried to give you some constructive criticism and advice. If you took it as inflammatory then you are in the wrong line of work. You seem to have a persecution complex and think everyone is out to get you. Yes, we did try and get you banned from youtube, but that was the result of a misunderstanding and I tried to explain that to you and offer you tips as to how you might be able to avoid that in the future. It was your response to me that was inflammatory. What's the matter? Are you one of those dish it out but can't take it types? Looks like it to me.

You need to understand something. No one here really gives a shit about you or your videos enough to hold a serious debate with you about whether or not your films are satire or what they really mean. Basically, we all think your videos suck. Your coming here and attempting to "Engage us in debate" is really just another way of you attempting to convince us that your videos don't suck, they're way too brilliant for us to grasp, and you're going to stay here until you get someone to acknowledge that.

I have offered you an intelligent (or go ahead and call it unintelligent, I really don't care) viewpoint as to why your videos fail. In a nutshell, they're not funny. In a nutshell, you can't tell what you're trying to do with them. To us, it looks like you are advocating the murder of gays and anti-war protesters, and it doesn't look like satire at all when we watch them.

You say they're not supposed to be funny, but that they're still satire. Whatever. You can go ahead and live in your own little arty world all day long and tell yourself that your videos are a masterpiece of satire that would make Stanley Kubrick jealous if he was alive to see them today. But given the fact that you feel compelled to come to this board and defend yourself because a bunch of people got the wrong idea about your videos, I'd say you failed in your attempt.

To sum up, I don't care enough about you or your videos to really debate them with you. I've given you my opinion on them. They fail. End of story. Take this experience as a lesson and move on. Have a nice day.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #31
61. Um.
I don't get how it was satire on rednecks. I watched about 3 minutes of the first video and saw nothing but straight guys acting out tired stereotypes of gay men.

Satire, huh? Maybe you're being too subtle.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:29 PM
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15. Flagged. These videos are quite revealing.
Something wrong with their tiny heads. Quite diseased.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:56 PM
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17. I thought it was a crime to incite murder etc...
Someone kick these boys out of you tube please....
What a bunch of sick people. They need to be in an insane asylum and not running around loose making videos of murder.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:35 PM
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20. They took it down. Here's the comment......



Reference Vol. L - Killing a Liberal - Satire
This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community.
By clicking "Confirm", you are agreeing that all videos or groups flagged by the YouTube community will be viewable by this account.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:40 PM
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21. Youtube blocked killing gays and vegans BUT the ones about war protesters

and blacks are still up..

Keep flagging them.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:17 PM
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22. Meh...
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 04:22 PM by AsahinaKimi
Bad acting, bad over the top bad portrayal of Gays, lots of fake gratuitous violence, not that funny, and a sends a bad message out that only wingnuts would take to hear. Meh.. leaves a bad taste in my mouth too.. sorry
:thumbsdown:


on edit: I have flagged them too
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:28 PM
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24. And if you check the comments page-
you'll see these idiots are very offended that us dumb people can't get the fact that they are doing satire.

One of them has called me the stupidest person on earth and has even had the gall to bring up Jonathan Swift.

Really, these little boys think they are modern day Johnathan Swifts. Unreal.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:15 PM
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25. they
They DID NOT remove them. Instead they make you confirm your date of birth as if thats a compromise. No, they need to be removed. This is hate speech. Waiting for them to do one where they use the N word or lynch Obama.I flagged them all and encourage everyone to do the same.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:27 AM
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28. Thanks
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:28 PM
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:26 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. It's not satire when only one side gets killed. Noticed the right is always
the hero.
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. yeah becuase
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 07:00 PM by pmemike
Again. this is the point of the joke.
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:59 PM
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35. what?
This is about the most ignorant comment I've heard on here yet.

"It's not satire when only one side get killed."

Wow. Could you tell me where in the definition for satire (which I've been kind enough to post for you below) it says that?

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

I don't know. I'm still looking for that part. Let me know when you find it.
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:20 PM
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30. and here is your reply you so elegantly declined to answer
It's funny to me that you actually think I'm upset by your comments; I'm entertained by your inability to grasp a simple concept.

You see, that story about eating children, is what is called Satire. He was proposing a radical view to solve a population crisis by playing up the prejudice against poor Irish immigrants; once again, your inability to draw a connection baffles me.

A critic watches something in it's entirety or it is no longer criticism; you sir, are no critic.

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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. and you're wrong again
Please sir. You have yet to answer my question. How do you fail to see the correlation between this and Johnathan Swift? I saw your uninformed comment about eating dead babies (which I'm sure you just Googled and wrote the first thing you saw from "A Modest Proposal") but you seem to have disappeared since my last comment.

Please, explain to me how a supposedly educated man like yourself could be so willingly ignorant. You avoided the subject because you are wrong.

In fact, the high school project this was actually made for was based on an assignment from "A Modest Proposal".

So please, I'm begging you. Tell me how I'm wrong.

And this time, try not insulting my intelligence.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #34
67. Impossible to insult your intelligence
you have none to insult.




TG
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suzanner Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:57 PM
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26. juvenile and creepy
...probably repeating 6th graders.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:16 PM
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69. It was only posted on youtube on 9/21, then
Joanne98 linked to it here on 9/23. It looks like more than half the views are as a result of the link from DU.

PMEmike claims he now has a "lucrative" career in the entertainment business and that these vids were made when he was in high school.

Now, one has to ask oneself why, if someone has a "lucrative" career in the entertainment business, would one be posting juvenilia on youtube? Is it because one really doesn't have a "lucrative" career in the entertainment business?

Be very cautious in taking the praise of a classroom teacher as evidence of talent. Teachers -- and I adore teachers and have the utmost respect for 99.7% of 'em, so don't get me wrong -- tend to look for teachable skills. They can't teach talent but they can teach the mechanics that enable the talent. So they look for good camera technique or good grammar, or whatever other tools are used in the production of the "work." They are very often FAR LESS attentive to content than to form, because in many respects they can't teach content and they know that the ability to create content is an ability that will be developed only with practice and experience. They can't give those in the classroom.

I've seen many a junior high or high school journalism effort that is absolutely appalling in terms of creative talent or writing skill, and yet the teacher never fails to lavish praise on the accomplishment. Well, first of all, they HAVE to praise it, or they'd be essentially admitting they did a lousy job of teaching it (which, sadly, is sometimes the truth). But second, they can only praise those things they CAN teach -- grammar, spelling, voice, syntax.

And so they miss the success or failure inherent in the content.

All me to give an example from my own experience.

A number of years ago (mid-1990s) I was invited to speak at a junior high school's "career day." Now, as idiotic as I think "career day" is for 7th graders, I agreed because I was specifically invited. I spoke directly with the principal of the school on the phone. "You understand, of course, that I don't write children's literature or even young adult. I write romance novels with explicit sex in them." The principal said she knew that and it was okay with her, as long as I didn't "share" the explicit parts with the kids. I said that was fine with me! I also agreed to bring copies of only the novels that did not have "clinch" covers on them.

I spoke to two or three groups of 7th and 8th graders, talking mostly about the process of creating a story, of how to develop characters, of the importance of "storytelling" in our daily lives. All the kids who came to the sessions had CHOSEN to do so, and it was my understanding that parents had been advised well in advance of the event as to what speakers/careers were available and had given permission for their children to participate. In the middle of the third or fourth group, one of the students asked if I had read the book her class had written for Halloween. I said I knew nothing about it. All the kids started talking at once about how cool it was that the teacher had put their story on the computer and printed it out and made a cover for it so copies could be made for each student to have one.

The story was about a group of junior high students who sneak into the school late at night and lie in wait for a particularly unpopular teacher to show up in the morning. They then murder this teacher, dismember the body, and hang the bloody body parts from the trees in front of the school. Everyone loved the story. Their teacher thought they were just enormously talented.

At about that point, the assistant principal entered the room and announced that my presentation was over and I would have to leave the school grounds. "someone" had determined that the content of my books was "inappropriate" for "their" junior high and I was no longer welcome. I pointed out to this twit that I had specifically asked the principal if it was okay for me to speak, since it was the principal who had invited me, but the vice principal simply said I had to leave.

My parting shot, as you can imagine, was that I did not understand why it was all right for the school to sponsor and reward the writing of a novel in which a group of kids brutally murder and dismember a teacher, but a romance novel with explicit sex was "inappropriate." After her mouth opened and closed several times, she stammered only that I needed to leave.

I did.

Perhaps PMEmike's teacher was so blown away by the adult content of his video and/or the comparative "skill" he displayed in making it that he/she thought it was fabulous. (Or PMEmike could be lying through his little teeth.) Maybe PMEmike's teacher sees a whole lot of crap and thought this was just so much better than the other drek that it seemed good. We will, of course, never know. And probably like most of the pukes and fundies and other close-minded individuals so many of us have to deal with all the time, PMEmike is never going to change his mind about his own work. We can't tell him anything, we will have no effect on him whatsofuckingever, and we're wasting our time trying to teach him anything.

So my comments are not directed at him so much as at all of us and all the teachers and parents and lurkers and videographers out there who are so concerned about the technical aspects of a creative work that they lose sight of the far more important aspect which is the message.

Any of you who know me from my many years at DU know that I can be real grammar and spelling, ahem, nazi. But grammar and spelling are merely the tools a writer uses to tell a story, and I will tell you all right now that a great story will ALWAYS trump mediocre writing (just think of Atlas Shrugged) but lousy writing will kill a good story. And there are damn few "great" stories out there.

PMEmike -- I do hate to write about a DUer, even a new one, in third person, but what the hell -- is quite obviously young and inexperienced and very much infatuated with what he thinks of as masterful video creations. We know they're not, we know they're not "satire" by any stretch of the imagination, and we know he's either going to grow up into an older and more vicious wingnut puke than he already is or he's going to learn the error of his ways and go on to make really great videos. So I think it's totally a waste of time to engage him (if he's even still here on DU), but it's not a bad idea to continue to discuss his and similar postings, whether on youtube or other sites.




Tansy Gold, keepin' an eye on this one
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:18 PM
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29. You people are clueless
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 06:49 PM by pmemike
I think you people completely missed the point of these videos.

They are what is called Satire.

You see, I am very much a liberal. I am for gay rights. I am against the war in Iraq. and I have many of close friends who are Vegans.

These films are created to demonstrate the extreme stereotypical viewpoints that are rampant in today's society (Glenn Beck and the 9 12er's, birthers, etc.). You clearly don't understand the viewpoint of these films and are complaining about something which is meant to be satirical in nature.

It's funny how nobody seems to have a sense of humor anymore. Thanks for the link though, I received lots of new fans due to your ignorance.

Let me break this down for all you people that still clearly don't understand the meaning behind this.

Satire

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

When the "Republican" kills the flamboyantly yet harmless gay man he is demonstrating what we like to call, Sarcasm or Irony. When the killing ensues it is over the top brutal to specify the satirical nature of the film. If you watched till the end, which I'm sure people with your vast intellect would; right? You would see that the republican and the other liberal walk off together into the sun set, clearly proclaiming all past events as a joke. You see, the joke here is that simple minded people, much like yourselves apparently, think this way. I've known right-wing wackos who truly believe gay people shouldn't have rights; shouldn't be able to get married; and would probably laugh at the same film without realizing he is the object of the joke. I bet Glenn Beck would love nothing more than to shove a American Flag right up a gay man's ass too, and this is why him, and others like him, must be stopped. Exposing the truth is something that used to be considered admirable, but today, it seems as though you've all succumb to ignorance in your inability to see the true meaning behind my work.

What's even worse is I made these films when I was in high school. So at the age of 18 I still managed to grasp a concept which you people have clearly yet to understand. In, fact, I turned the very film you hate so much, into a class project my senior year on Satire; I got an A!

Thanks again for your clear lack of insight. If I offended you, good! Next time you see people protesting the rights of gay marriage, think of this film, and think about how they allow their children to protest along with them, and how they might grow up to have those same disgusting viewpoints.

You people shouldn't be complaining about these videos, you should be complaining about the actions within them and how many people today think the same way. Next time, use caution when disagreeing with one of your own.

I'm sure none of you read all the way through that. But if your still unclear as to what is going on here. I welcome your comments.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:32 PM
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36. I think the fact that it was screamingly unfunny might have confused a few people
Just sayin...
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:37 PM
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37. Maybe to you
We have plenty of fans.

Actually, we have a lot more now because of this post.

Please, feel free to be offended by more of my work.

I'll have to start making new videos now just to make you people mad.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:48 PM
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38. I'm not offended. It's just painfully bad satire.
Sounds like you're the one who got offended.
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:12 PM
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39. Of Course I'm Offended
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 08:13 PM by pmemike
I'm offended that people who claim to have an open mind demonize something satirical by calling the creator of it a McVeigh, a sicko, and a KKK member.

This is something I made in high school as a class project. It was posted for some close friends and you people got involved and made a federal case about it.

You've tried to ban me from YouTube! Unsuccessfully I might ad.

You're right I'm offended. You people are no better than the ones calling Obama Hitler. Although I'm sure you compared Bush to him; because that's your nature.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:20 PM
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40. All I said was your video sucked
I've never seen it before, never commented on it and I hope to never see one of your videos again. I'm mostly commenting here in lieu of getting those 2 minutes of my life back.
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:58 PM
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41. well thanks for the intelligent debate
I'm glad see this board is filled with real intelligent people willing to debate me. I'm glad you thought my movie "sucked". Your opinion means everything to me.

I made these videos when I was young to make fun of ignorant people. Based on your responses. I see that it has been worthwhile.

Thanks for you time.

I see nobody else was even willing to make a comment after my posts here. I wonder why that is?
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:27 PM
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65. Weighing in, for what it's worth
I do not expect to get a reasonable response from the videographer, since he's given no reasonable responses yet to anyone else.

If in fact he is a high school student, he has a lot of growing up to do, and his outrage should be taken for what it is: a (probably spoiled) child's tantrum.

However, for his potential edification or that of any other readers/lurkers/posters/high schoolers, I will throw my dos centavos into the ring of fire.

Sir:

A number of years ago I made my living writing and publishing novels in a most popular of popular fiction genres. Considered a "success" at this enterprise by my peers, I was often called upon to read, edit, evaluate manuscripts from other writers, almost invariably the unpublished.

And likewise almost invariably, those who received the harshest criticism from me were also the most defensive. "You just didn't get it," they whined. "That's not what I was trying to say," they pouted. "You just don't like me!" they wailed, and began stomping around like pissed-off two-year-olds.

I told them what I will tell you --

If you have to explain to your audience what you were "trying" to get across in the work itself, you have FAILED and you have FAILED TOTALLY. Your mission is to get a message across, and if the work itself cannot or does not convey that message -- Sam Goldwyn hadn't a clue -- then you've FAILED.

Satire is supposed to be funny. If it's not, it's not satire. BY DEFINITION, it's not satire.

If people don't get the joke, you've failed. They're SUPPOSED to get the joke. Your job is to make the joke understandable by (almost) everyone. Even if they don't find it funny, they should at least GET it.

"What's the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom? Lipstick!" I get it, even if I don't like it or agree with it. I have a pit bull, the sweetest, gentlest, most submissive of all my four dogs. I DO NOT like her being compared to hockey moms! The point is, I got the joke.

You won't score with everyone. There will always be someone here or there who's just too dense or ignorant. But face it, fella, NO ONE here got the satire in your videos. NO ONE.

Now, you're claiming that you made these videos as (I guess) liberal satire. We're all liberals here. We SHOULD get it. We DIDN'T.

You failed.

Now, it could also be that you're a lying sack of shit -- and I usually alert on people who make accusatoins like that so I'm trying to word this very carefully and not get my post pulled -- and that this is all faux (pun intended) outrage because you're really a gay-hating, war-loving fundie conservative who's trying to put one over on us. Please notice, however, that IF THIS IS THE CASE, you've failed at that, too. NO ONE is buying the "This is supposed to be satire and you're all too stupid to get it."

There are a lot of stupid people in this world, in this country, and maybe even on this board (though I doubt that latter). Most really stupid people, when told they didn't get it, will kinda agree. They'll pretend they got it, even though they didn't, because they don't want to be thought of as stupid, even though they are. Please notice that no one here fell for that ruse. 'CAUSE WE AIN'T STUPID.

If you're serious about your "art," you'll take the criticism and learn from it. If you're just a whiny little brat, you'll just continue to whine and learn nothing.

Even after I gave up writing fiction for pay, I have continued to teach and evaluate other people's writing. I've been doing this for almost 30 years. And what I've found in that time is that those who accept criticism and evaluate it and understand that it is the WORK being criticized and not themselves are usually the people who eventually succeed. Those who are stubborn and defensive and just plain pig-headed about how wonderful their work is and how it needs absolutely no revision or improvement are almost always the ones who get rejection after rejection after rejection.

Now, today, with youtube and all the other online venues, "rejection" doesn't mean quite the same as it did when I was mailing out unsolicited manuscripts to New York editors and agents. But what you've gotten here is a big fat rejection from members of what you say you consider your target audience. That's a pretty big rejection. (Unless, of course, you were going for a different market and since we all hated the thing, you'll undoubtedly succeed with. . . . the others.)

There's an old Jewish saying, told to me by an old Jewish friend:

If one man calls you a jackass, you can ignore him.

If two men call you a jackass, you can ignore them.

If three men call you a jackass, you might want to think about what you're doing that prompts them to call you a jackass.

If four men call you a jackass, you'd best get fitted for a saddle.


You've just had way more than four of us call you a jackass.



Tansy Gold, who can sometimes be called an old Jewish friend herself
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:38 PM
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71. Thanks...for the read. nt
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 03:41 AM
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43. Unwatchable. What a sick fuck. Sometimes I despair of the human race. n/t
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 03:53 PM
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47. You should probably read this post before you look like a idiot like this guy
I think you people completely missed the point of these videos.

They are what is called Satire.

You see, I am very much a liberal. I am for gay rights. I am against the war in Iraq. and I have many of close friends who are Vegans.

These films are created to demonstrate the extreme stereotypical viewpoints that are rampant in today's society (Glenn Beck and the 9 12er's, birthers, etc.). You clearly don't understand the viewpoint of these films and are complaining about something which is meant to be satirical in nature.

It's funny how nobody seems to have a sense of humor anymore. Thanks for the link though, I received lots of new fans due to your ignorance.

Let me break this down for all you people that still clearly don't understand the meaning behind this.

Satire

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

When the "Republican" kills the flamboyantly yet harmless gay man he is demonstrating what we like to call, Sarcasm or Irony. When the killing ensues it is over the top brutal to specify the satirical nature of the film. If you watched till the end, which I'm sure people with your vast intellect would; right? You would see that the republican and the other liberal walk off together into the sun set, clearly proclaiming all past events as a joke. You see, the joke here is that simple minded people, much like yourselves apparently, think this way. I've known right-wing wackos who truly believe gay people shouldn't have rights; shouldn't be able to get married; and would probably laugh at the same film without realizing he is the object of the joke. I bet Glenn Beck would love nothing more than to shove a American Flag right up a gay man's ass too, and this is why him, and others like him, must be stopped. Exposing the truth is something that used to be considered admirable, but today, it seems as though you've all succumb to ignorance in your inability to see the true meaning behind my work.

What's even worse is I made these films when I was in high school. So at the age of 18 I still managed to grasp a concept which you people have clearly yet to understand. In, fact, I turned the very film you hate so much, into a class project my senior year on Satire; I got an A!

Thanks again for your clear lack of insight. If I offended you, good! Next time you see people protesting the rights of gay marriage, think of this film, and think about how they allow their children to protest along with them, and how they might grow up to have those same disgusting viewpoints.

You people shouldn't be complaining about these videos, you should be complaining about the actions within them and how many people today think the same way. Next time, use caution when disagreeing with one of your own.

I'm sure none of you read all the way through that. But if your still unclear as to what is going on here. I welcome your comments.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 08:18 PM
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51. Bullshit. That's not satire, it's hamhanded visual abuse.
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 08:23 PM by MrModerate
I don't really care where you're coming from sociopolitically. This video -- I didn't look at the others and never will -- is vile, hateful, incompetent, creepy, and wildly unfunny. It fails on every imaginable level.

It's also useless in any sort of activist context because it's crap, and hence has no credibility or capacity to move or motivate people.

I don't think you should pursue either film or social activism because you're just no good at it.
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:35 AM
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54. wow
It's really easy to demonize something isn't it?

Just because you don't understand, or in this case, refuse to understand, doesn't mean your right. I'm sure you would love to live in a world of happiness and rainbows, sorry, it's not going to happen. Keep shutting yourself out from the rest of the world, then you will become just as ignorant as the people on Fox news; deny facts and opinions.

"It's also useless in any sort of activist context because it's crap, and hence has no credibility or capacity to move or motivate people."

I'm not sure I should even dignify this with a response. Never have more close-minded words been written.

"I don't think you should pursue either film or social activism because you're just no good at it."

Once again, sorry to disappoint you, I actually have a very lucrative career in the entertainment industry.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 09:28 PM
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62. Presuming you're not flat-out lying, it doesn't say much for the entertainment industry . . .
That someone who's so visually, emotionally, and literarily inept would have a lucrative career. But then again, the Psychic Friends Network and countless straight-to-video porn studios have made pots of money, so I suppose anything's possible.

I understand you just fine (or the "18-year-old you," again presuming there's a grain of truth to your statements). You're saying "I can vomit up bad acting, bad writing, bad effects, lousy camera work, thumb-fingered editing and -- fer crissakes -- shitty costumes, and because it's so over the top that no sensible person would watch it, that makes me a master of the socially aware avant garde." Or some such shit.

Crap is crap and it doesn't take a very discerning eye when the turd is stuck to the bottom of your shoe.

I will take back one statement: it does have the capacity to motivate people. It motivates me to say, "what an asshole!"
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 04:39 AM
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44. Damn.
It's pornography. For guys who hate gays, they sure put a lot of energy into playing out "how they act" even if they don't know shit.

This video is Rush Limbaugh's step child.
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 03:52 PM
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46. Why don't you read first before you look stupid
I think you people completely missed the point of these videos.

They are what is called Satire.

You see, I am very much a liberal. I am for gay rights. I am against the war in Iraq. and I have many of close friends who are Vegans.

These films are created to demonstrate the extreme stereotypical viewpoints that are rampant in today's society (Glenn Beck and the 9 12er's, birthers, etc.). You clearly don't understand the viewpoint of these films and are complaining about something which is meant to be satirical in nature.

It's funny how nobody seems to have a sense of humor anymore. Thanks for the link though, I received lots of new fans due to your ignorance.

Let me break this down for all you people that still clearly don't understand the meaning behind this.

Satire

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

When the "Republican" kills the flamboyantly yet harmless gay man he is demonstrating what we like to call, Sarcasm or Irony. When the killing ensues it is over the top brutal to specify the satirical nature of the film. If you watched till the end, which I'm sure people with your vast intellect would; right? You would see that the republican and the other liberal walk off together into the sun set, clearly proclaiming all past events as a joke. You see, the joke here is that simple minded people, much like yourselves apparently, think this way. I've known right-wing wackos who truly believe gay people shouldn't have rights; shouldn't be able to get married; and would probably laugh at the same film without realizing he is the object of the joke. I bet Glenn Beck would love nothing more than to shove a American Flag right up a gay man's ass too, and this is why him, and others like him, must be stopped. Exposing the truth is something that used to be considered admirable, but today, it seems as though you've all succumb to ignorance in your inability to see the true meaning behind my work.

What's even worse is I made these films when I was in high school. So at the age of 18 I still managed to grasp a concept which you people have clearly yet to understand. In, fact, I turned the very film you hate so much, into a class project my senior year on Satire; I got an A!

Thanks again for your clear lack of insight. If I offended you, good! Next time you see people protesting the rights of gay marriage, think of this film, and think about how they allow their children to protest along with them, and how they might grow up to have those same disgusting viewpoints.

You people shouldn't be complaining about these videos, you should be complaining about the actions within them and how many people today think the same way. Next time, use caution when disagreeing with one of your own.

I'm sure none of you read all the way through that. But if your still unclear as to what is going on here. I welcome your comments.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:54 PM
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68. Unfortunately, none of us has looked stupid, well, except for one
and I don't think that one is really one of "us."

Honey, sweetheart, YOU FAILED. All the great remarks made in this thread only say one thing -- YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR MESSAGE ACROSS.


It doesn't really make any difference how good your editing skills are, or how accurate your depictions of gay men, or even how gratuitous your violence -- all that matters is whether you got the point across. NO ONE got that it was satire. NO ONE. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

That's monumental failure.

And all your defenses mean zip zilch nada. Ninguna cosa.


The only one who has looked stupid is the one continuing to defend what is indefensible.




Tansy Gold, never defenseless
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 06:12 AM
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45. I just flagged it and the other ones they have.
If they want to post videos to youtube and make a statement, fine. However, bigotry and promoting violence is way out of line. And that's putting it lightly.


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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. And here is another person who doesn't know how to read.
I think you people completely missed the point of these videos.

They are what is called Satire.

You see, I am very much a liberal. I am for gay rights. I am against the war in Iraq. and I have many of close friends who are Vegans.

These films are created to demonstrate the extreme stereotypical viewpoints that are rampant in today's society (Glenn Beck and the 9 12er's, birthers, etc.). You clearly don't understand the viewpoint of these films and are complaining about something which is meant to be satirical in nature.

It's funny how nobody seems to have a sense of humor anymore. Thanks for the link though, I received lots of new fans due to your ignorance.

Let me break this down for all you people that still clearly don't understand the meaning behind this.

Satire

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

When the "Republican" kills the flamboyantly yet harmless gay man he is demonstrating what we like to call, Sarcasm or Irony. When the killing ensues it is over the top brutal to specify the satirical nature of the film. If you watched till the end, which I'm sure people with your vast intellect would; right? You would see that the republican and the other liberal walk off together into the sun set, clearly proclaiming all past events as a joke. You see, the joke here is that simple minded people, much like yourselves apparently, think this way. I've known right-wing wackos who truly believe gay people shouldn't have rights; shouldn't be able to get married; and would probably laugh at the same film without realizing he is the object of the joke. I bet Glenn Beck would love nothing more than to shove a American Flag right up a gay man's ass too, and this is why him, and others like him, must be stopped. Exposing the truth is something that used to be considered admirable, but today, it seems as though you've all succumb to ignorance in your inability to see the true meaning behind my work.

What's even worse is I made these films when I was in high school. So at the age of 18 I still managed to grasp a concept which you people have clearly yet to understand. In, fact, I turned the very film you hate so much, into a class project my senior year on Satire; I got an A!

Thanks again for your clear lack of insight. If I offended you, good! Next time you see people protesting the rights of gay marriage, think of this film, and think about how they allow their children to protest along with them, and how they might grow up to have those same disgusting viewpoints.

You people shouldn't be complaining about these videos, you should be complaining about the actions within them and how many people today think the same way. Next time, use caution when disagreeing with one of your own.

I'm sure none of you read all the way through that. But if your still unclear as to what is going on here. I welcome your comments.
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LiberalPotatoEater Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 07:37 PM
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49. True...
Most people are too sensitive to realize the difference between a statire and someone being sincere...
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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:36 AM
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55. Isn't that the point of Satire?
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 07:41 PM
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50. Look son, labeling something "satire" doesn't make it immune from being bigoted.
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 07:47 PM by Xicano
While I may agree with you on one point that your videos are satire, even as disgusting as they are. However, what you're not fooling anybody with is that they use satire to express bigotry.

If someone made an inappropriate video depicting your mother as the neighborhood tramp, especially if it included a scene pretending her being assaulted, mutilated and killed. Satire would not eliminate the fact that an author of a video like that was disrespecting your mother, calling your mother a tramp and making fun of her being assaulted, mutilated and killed.

You're no where near as smart as you think you are kid, and, every time you post you only expose how immature you are and how much of a bigoted idiot you are. I guarantee you no matter how much you fail to grow up, in twenty something years from now you'll look back at the videos you posted and be embarrassed over how much of a fool you made yourself look to the whole world.

Now run along and go play. We liberals (adults) have important issues to discuss.


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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:10 AM
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52. Thanks again for being wrong.
"If someone made an inappropriate video depicting your mother as the neighborhood tramp, especially if it included a scene pretending her being assaulted, mutilated and killed. Satire would not eliminate the fact that an author of a video like that was disrespecting your mother, calling your mother a tramp and making fun of her being assaulted, mutilated and killed."

And what exactly would be Satirical about this dream film of yours? I still think you fail understand to understand the concept behind this. If you actually paid attention to the over-the-top stereotypes (and maybe watching a film in it's entirety, which I'm positive you didn't) you would clearly see the joke. The man has an American Flag fan and it plays the Star Spangled Banner while he salutes the dead body; if that's not satirical enough for you, I don't know what to tell you. Try not being so close-minded for once in your life and learn to laugh at an obvious joke.

"You're no where near as smart as you think you are kid, and, every time you post you only expose how immature you are and how much of a bigoted idiot you are. I guarantee you no matter how much you fail to grow up, in twenty something years from now you'll look back at the videos you posted and be embarrassed over how much of a fool you made yourself look to the whole world."

Yeah I'm really coming off as immature aren't I. Trying to stimulate debate and the only answers I receive are, "well, your movie sucks". I'm not a child sir. If you read my past posts, which you clearly didn't, I stated that this was a film I made when I was in high school.

I actually make a very lucrative career in the film industry. I think my comments on this board have been nothing but respectful considering the amount of slander I've endured here.

You people, who claim to be the "intelligent adults" are more close-minded in your thoughts than those you try to condemn. One day I hope you look back on this learn to laugh a little. Life is short. Don't waste it trying to argue something you can't understand.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:28 AM
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57.  The acts of violence you depict in your vid are not as over the top as you would like..........
everyone to believe. There are many of us who have personally or have had family members who have been attacked or raped simply because of their sexual orientation. Yes your special effects are exaggerated, but the underlying crimes of castration and sodomizing with instruments do happen in many assaults on gays which you then celebrate by playing the song 'It's Raining Men' -with the blood representing the rain.

The Killer does not get his com-uppence, yet the gays in the vid do just for being gay.

Watching this did not leave me with the impression that a liberal who believes in equal rights made it.







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pmemike Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:54 PM
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58. I can't argrue with you anymore
Despite all my posting's here explaining the process behind Satire and what makes this film satirical, you still fail to recognize the point.

The killings are over the top in every way, there is blood shooting from a man's crotch, donut holes used as testicles, and the music is a lot more symbolic than you seem to understand. Seriously, if a garden hose filled with corn syrup doesn't qualify as stupid and over the top, then how do you watch any movie without being highly offended?

Watching this shouldn't have left you with the impression that a liberal made it, that's the point. Please take a moment to read what I've been kind enough to post before. If the killer got his "com-uppence" then it wouldn't have the same effect. Plus, most of you actually didn't watch it in it's entirety, so this would have been lost on you.



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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:19 PM
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60. I never said it wasn't stupid.
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 06:23 PM by unapatriciated
sat⋅ire   Show IPA
noun
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc. - This is what you failed to do
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule. - This is what you did to gay men
3. a literary genre comprising such compositions. - Uuuh - never mind
Origin:
150010; < L satira, var. of satura medley, perh. fem. deriv. of satur sated (see saturate )

Synonyms:
1. See irony 1 . 2, 3. burlesque, caricature, parody, travesty. Satire, lampoon refer to literary forms in which vices or follies are ridiculed. Satire, the general term, often emphasizes the weakness more than the weak person, and usually implies moral judgment and corrective purpose: Swift's satire of human pettiness and bestiality. Lampoon refers to a form of satire, often political or personal, characterized by the malice or virulence of its attack: lampoons of the leading political figures. - There is nothing Swift about you

"Literary forms in which vices or follies are ridiculed" The gay men and their lifestyle were highly ridiculed.

"Watching this shouldn't have left you with the impression that a liberal made it" - Mission accomplished, I was left with the impression some homophobic redneck jackass made it.




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KsMs Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 05:00 AM
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63. got here on a google gone wild.
Seemed to be an interesting thread so I thought what the hell.

Sarcasm is a great way to challenging any socio-poli-eco (..is that even a word??..) norm or injustice. Their certainly are enough in America to go around. The thing with sarcasm is that if it isn't done right it becomes offensive. I gotta say Bud, you kinda missed the mark. The victims were the characters in the film that were ridiculed and caricatured from the beginning and throughout. can anybody honestly say that they personally know somebody who is that "gay"? While aside from the American flag fan (that was weird), the assailant could have passed off as the regular ol' homophobic douchbag repeating rally sign poster and bumper sticker propaganda. By the way, murders of gays involving sodomy and castration have happened so that scene isn't all that over the top. Also the ending where the partner of murdered man runs off with his lovers killer, are you trying to say that gay men are just some kind of heartless horn-dogs who are only concerned with getting laid? Or that men who have homosexually urges and cannot cope with the social pressures might end up killing other gays as some sick way of acting out upon their lusts? Or something else? I checked out some of the other stuff on Youtube, and have to ask why do you chose to kill off those who in this country are all considered socially deviant groups in them also, (little bit strange).

You are missing mark in a big way

just my $.02


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juxtaposed Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:27 PM
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66. young re-pugs being cool,, sad latent log cabinish
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:10 PM
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70. *update* the video has been taken down and the Youtube account closed.
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