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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:01 AM
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Glenn Beck Now Claims 1.7 Million Attended 9-12 Protests
 
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Citing A University He Can't Remember, Glenn Beck Now Claims 1.7 Million Attended 9-12 Protests

From the September 15 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:20 AM
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1. Obviously That guy doens't even WANT to be believed!
Almost ALL groups exadurate the crowd size hust to be impressive, but NOT to that great a degree!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:17 PM
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:45 PM
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19. CONCLUSIVE PROOF
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:51 PM
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22. Not a study by Indiana University
Its a screed by an UNDERGRADUATE at Indiana University
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:06 PM
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25. Yes, an ROTC cadet, majoring in Asian studies
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 10:09 PM by merh
at the University of Indiana is someone we should believe when it comes to analyzing photos to determine crowd numbers. If you check his sources, he uses Michele Malkin and a FreeRepublic article/thread to support his findings.

And of course, he only viewed one video and the photos were limited.

Go away, the kid is out of his league, has no expertise and wasn't even there.


Forgot to add - Malkin even backed off her original numbers and recanted the count she (and the organizers) attributed to ABC.





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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:55 AM
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2. Since when is it OK to only agree with the president?
Is this guy serious? Has he completely blotted the Bush years out of his memory? From 9-11 through most of 2005 if you disagreed with Bush you were an 'America-hating Nazi enabler who supported the terrorists'.
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obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:57 AM
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3. Umm What!
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:02 AM
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4. If "dip shit" has never seen anything like this....
he was comatose for the eight years of the chimp/cheney reign of terror.

What a total ass hat. ONLY on the propaganda network could this tool get away with such nonsense.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:13 AM
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5. this should be factually refuted with actual photos and evidence. Beck the lying addict should not
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 01:15 AM by BREMPRO
be allowed to get away with making such an unsubstantiated claims so radically off from the actual number of 50,000-60,000 that the park service estimated. "A" university? which one? Bob Jones? Liberty? Let see the study fuckhead. Site your evidence instead of just showing some random video and lounge arrogantly in your armchair and proclaim it so.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:11 AM
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9. That's a good one
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 05:12 AM by TheEuclideanOne
Yeah..... some University....


The reality is that if Fox had to use actual stats to support their claims, the show would be one long string of Crickets chirping. If we are going to cite Universitie, I would actually like to see a University do a study on how many people actually attended. The can call it: "Study of how many people disrespected the memory of 911 by attending Hate Rallies". They can include Beck's hatefest, but make it more general to include KKK rallies, White Power meetings, etc.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:41 AM
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11. Why not just refute it with two independent sources?

ABC had it at 60-70,000, and published a specific repudiation of the idea that they initially reported 2 million. FreedomWorks simply made that number up, attributed it to ABC, and then called Little Green Footballs.

The Associated Press had it at 50,000.

Beck's full of shit, everyone knows it. Except the irretrievably stupid.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:36 AM
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6. Glenn Beck learned to count from Katherine Harris
!!
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:39 AM
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7. Ed Schultz said that the university was............
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 02:39 AM by Mnpaul
Denial State
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:05 AM
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8. Ed was hilarious on this one!
It was his "Psycho Talk" segment of September 15th.

You can watch it here: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32866977

You can watch more clips from The Ed Show at http://ed.msnbc.com
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:17 AM
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10. Rather watch it with Ed than a straight link with Glenn Beeyach. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:16 PM
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BluDemocratGirl Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:00 AM
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12. Glenn Beck, YOU LIE!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:15 PM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:51 PM
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21. The guys cites FreeRepublic, Michelle Malkin, and a conspiracy forum as sources.
Give it up.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:33 PM
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27. Cadet Moilanen's page
http://www.indiana.edu/~rotc/prospective/profiles.php

And MediaMatters debunks the garbage, erh, I mean his findings.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909160019

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ScottLand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:08 AM
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13. And remember when that 1.7 million - or was it
40.7 million? - rose up and overthrew the government that day?
 Not sure which university said that either.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:36 PM
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18. Bwwaaahaaahaaa! I seriously cannot believe you posted this here.
What do you think - we are as moronic and gullible as the poor fools who believe Beck? :rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:50 PM
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20. If you can't trust a study that cites Michelle Malkin and FreeRepublic who can you trust?
:rofl:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:58 PM
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23. Aww Shit, You're Not Even Tryin'!
4 posts, good thing you took your time. :rofl:
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:02 PM
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24. Stop making IU look bad, my sister is an alum
For that matter, stop making Indiana look bad. Indiana went blue, REMEMBER?

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:18 PM
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26. Here you go a real life research professor and expert on crowd estimation (not a ROTC cadet)
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 10:20 PM by merh
says the crowd was about 75,000

Farouk El-Baz, a Boston University research professor and expert on crowd estimation, said his informal research from media coverage indicates 75,000 as the peak number. Peter Piringer, a spokesman for the District of Columbia Fire Department, said he made an unofficial estimate of 60,000 to 70,000 at the beginning of the event.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/20098669...



Oh, the photo on page 7 is from 1997 and not from 9/12/2009 - that is the freerepublic photo/thread he relies on.

From PoliticalFactCheck:
But it turns out the photo is more than 10 years old, apparently taken during a 1997 Promise Keepers rally.

-snip-

Yet the photograph so widely posted showed the crowd sprawling all the way to the Washington Monument, which is bordered by 15th and and 17th Streets.

Theres another problem with the photograph: It doesnt include the National Museum of the American Indian, a building located at the corner of Fourth Street and Independence Avenue that opened on Sept. 14, 2004. (Looking at the photograph, the building should be in the upper right hand corner of the National Mall, next to the Air and Space Museum.) That means the picture was taken before the museum opened exactly five years ago. So clearly the photo doesnt show the tea party crowd from the Sept. 12 protest.

Also worth noting are the cranes in front of the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History. According to Randall Kremer, the museums director of public affairs, The last time cranes were in front was in the 1990s when the IMAX theater was being built.

It appears that the photo was actually taken in 1997 at a rally for Promise Keepers, a group for Christian men. According to the groups Web site, nearly 1 million people attended the event. Photos of the Oct. 4, 1997, event that were posted on various Web sites in 2003, 2008 and earlier this year show either the same picture or a similar photo that has identical tents and what appear to be TV screens in the same locations.

Conservative bloggers who originally posted the picture have backed down.

Malkin, like some of her conservative cohorts, retracted the number she had attributed to ABC when the network chastised FreedomWorks president Matt Kibbe, whose organization arranged the event, for inaccurately telling the crowd that the news organization had reported the crowd at 1 million to 1.5 million people.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/se... /




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